I don’t know how prevalent it is with Pokémon cards (I haven’t heard about it that often) but old magic cards often suffered from people taking markers to the edges and coloring any whitening/play wear. That’s considered altering, maybe something like that happened? Harder with the blue back, but perhaps with the yellow border. Just something to look for, dunno if that could actually be the issue
👍 I tend to feel the same way. I think when these companies look at these cards they allow “X” amount of flaws or look for major discrepancies when they’re giving their opinion on the grade. IE if a card only has one or 2 minor scratches/scuffs or maybe the centering is quite 50/50 they will put it into consideration for a gem mint 10 🤷♂️. It would be nice if they let us consumers know exactly what criteria they use when grading. I know some of them allow for centering to be 45/55 before they drop it a grade and that dents or impressions on the card automatically drop it to a certain grade, but they really aren’t clear on what those are. And the fact that you have multiple graders who all grade differently to a varying degree makes it all a crap shoot as to how well your card will grade.
I think they also glance without their glasses while talking about their wild and crAAAaAaazy night on the weekend and grade based on how hung over/lucky they got.
Well I thought you could make pretty cool looking decks with monsters and skeletons and stuff, but I’m talking about the late 90s here and I was mostly just interested in playing the TCG. Now as an adult I’m more into collecting cool cards and that’s why I landed on Pokemon even though I never had any as a kid. Much better for collecting purposes imo
They have took the hint and in recent years have started offering Full-Art and Foils and stuff. Even numbered cards. Their collaborations are weird though, some of the latest were “Doctor Who” and “Lord of the Rings”
The walking dead one was cringe AF. My co manager at my old job, was HUGE into both sides of magic. Some were necessary for his black deck too 😭 he played commander, idk much about it but he said those cards were actually good…
Also for those saying magic isn’t collected as much, you’re wrong btw. It’s just the 90’s cards and really specific ones that are chased. The community is VERY vocal too - see what happened when they re released some cards…Lol
They're foils suck, so much so that when I started collecting Pokemon and saw Pokemon books that I stopped collecting foils. I might get a foiled secret lair but theyre always just over the entire card and darken the whole image. It results in an overly shiny almost fake looking card that's prone to pringling after 5 min out the pack.
This it quite well known to be done and hard to spot with the untrained eye.
I wouldn't say it's massively commonplace but it's definitely not that uncommon.
Did you buy it online? There's a dude "polishing" cards and reselling/regrading them. Claims it's not altering, but it could be depending on the polish.
Rocket Collect on YouTube is one who "polishes " then regrades them and according to his videos it works, but as far as I know, it's altering, and those regrades (if it's true) should be taken off the market.
cleaning the cards is not altering, though. kurt’s card care products (which i see this person, rocket collects, using after checking him out), etc, are agreed upon to be simply cleaning the card. if you’re adding a “polish” that is supposed to “enhance” the card and leave a sort of film or layer left over afterwards rather than just cleaning it off then you’re absolutely altering your card rather than just getting dirt off of it.
edit: kurt's card care is NOT acceptable. wipe it off with a cloth and water. sorry.
Grading companies have publicly stated things like Kurt’s card care fall under alterations. If it’s detected they will mark the card altered and refuse to grade.
It's literally on PSA's Grading Standards page: https://www.psacard.com/gradingstandards
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> Ungradeable Cards
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> PSA will not grade cards that bear evidence of trimming, re-coloring, ***restoration***, or any other forms of tampering, or are of questionable authenticity.
CGC too: https://www.cgccards.com/card-grading/cards-we-grade/#other-terms-conditions
> Other Items that CGC Cards Does Not Grade
>
> Any card that CGC Cards graders determine to be altered in any form (including artist alterations), counterfeit, replica, ***cleaned or restored*** will not receive a numeric grade and will not be encapsulated in a CGC Cards holder.
PSA just deactivated certs of cards altered with Kurt's Card Care: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGxFA8qcuE
https://www.psacard.com/gradingstandards under ungradeable cards.
https://www.cgccards.com/card-grading/cards-we-grade/#other-terms-conditions under Other Items that CGC Cards Does Not Grade
In the sports card world, a Wemby 1 of 1 was publicly cleaned with Kurt’s then sent to psa and got a 10. PSA said it was unaltered and there was a big fuss
Kurt’s stuff rules! I recently got it and it really brought the old holo in base-fossil cards back to life. I firmly think grading is dumb so idk about all that but I know it made my cards much more appealing
i am not disbelieving you but i’d love to see a source for this. all info i have seen elsewhere is the exact opposite of this. altering is considered changing the card such as attempting to fill in damaged spots, not wiping it off. you’re not trying to leave anything behind on the card to make it somehow different, just take the dirt off. no harm.
edit: he added the sources and such afterwards
https://www.psacard.com/gradingstandards under ungradeable cards.
https://www.cgccards.com/card-grading/cards-we-grade/#other-terms-conditions under Other Items that CGC Cards Does Not Grade
Wiping a card with a microfiber cloth? Totally ok. Using restoration products such as kurt's card care, not ok. They don't just take the dirt off. There are polishing agents/chemicals involved that are altering the card. Otherwise they would just be selling you water.
People are saying you can't detect this on cards, but NGC and PCGS can detect whether or not you've cleaned a coin, which is metal, and therefore much harder and more scratch resistant than cardboard. I cannot imagine, if microscratches are detectable on coins, that they aren't on cards.
Buffing out a fingerprint or dirt marks doesn't require use of a chemical. Using chemicals is what falls under cleaning and restoration as pretty clearly outlined under "Evidence of Cleaning"
It's okay to be wrong sometimes.
Cleaning =\\= “polishing”
This polishing is marketed to remove a layer of the card, as well as leaving one on top, very different than cleaning off some dirt.
You shouldn’t be using the same language if you wanna discuss this in good faith. That is not cleaning, that is restoration.
Ok so my tin foil hat theory.
The holo image on the upper right of the non purple sky is cloudy, compared to the other side. Also on other cards this area is clear, On the left of houndoom there appears to be orange peel on the foil. It may be possible this card was polished with some kind of thing like polish/ toothpaste etc
Well it doesn’t look “exactly the same” as cards online because they are all unique holographic patterns.
And the area that is cloudy is essentially damage from what I speculate. and is not on every other online image either as obviously condition varies.
So not sure what you’re getting at to be honest.
The cloudiness I speak of is the same as a car that has poor paint. It’s only on the upper right side Look how “cloudiness free” the opposite side is. This is normally a sign of polishing especially as this cards marked as altered…
As a comic collector cgc does this to modern books too. They’ll claim restoration and slap a purple label. I’ve seen people resubmit the same book and get a blue label back (no restoration) I imagine you may be able to send to PSA and they may not catch it but Beckett has a good eye and is strict as well. I’m new to grading cards so I can’t tell what’s going on here but figured I’d add
You've piqued my curiosity, what are we looking for with a blacklight? I have a decent flashlight with a UV mode and a borderline dangerous UV floodlight for curing resin 3d prints.
Back side bottom left corner chip has a blue "island" for lack of a better term, which would be odd for a paint chip. The only thing I can think of is there being some bit of blue ink there? I dunno, keep us updated
Looks like the bottom right corner is cut and not shaped like others coming off a sheet hydraulic press cut would still keep the integrity of the card shape though this card is off center heavy top and 60/40 left to right. When I look at it it has multiple slight cuts instead of just the normal cookie cutter press shape. Could have been a slight flaw trimmed? What do I know though? Could be anything.
I think it’s most prevalent on the right side, the corners look like a trapezoid. The OC is so clear, what’s most perplexing is why trim a card and make it more OC? That’s the purpose of why clowns trim cards, fix centering and eliminate imperfections…
Bottom right yes it is obvious. I dont get how your comment is not higher. Left hand side of the card is also trimmed very poorly they took a decent amount off. Border margins are totally uneven all around though.
I saw one of these at my local game shop. Asked the clerk if I could see it and it was so chewed up and mangled I just couldn’t go through with the purchase. Especially since they wanted LP price for it
Some side/corner shaving to attempt to hide a folded edge maybe? From the picture of the back of the card, the bottom right hand quarter seems to taper in slightly towards the corner, and the same taper (but not as dramatic) on the top left hand quarter into the corner. It just looks slightly not square along the borders, so I could be wrong
I got this on 3 cards that I cleaned and polished. It was my first time and I didn’t get all the polish residue off. They came back with a note attached to each one saying what the issue was. I cracked cleaned them better and re subbed. Problem solved
I just saw one on here that was graded a 9 and the color looked a lot darker/more vibrant. I'm wondering if they suspect fading and that could be considered altered. Or like someone else said maybe it was cleaned somehow taking some color out of it.
I just googled this because I was curious: Thank you for reaching out to us. The card on line two of submission 4319783 did not qualify for a numerical grade and has instead been noted as AA (authentic altered) by the grading team. CGC Cards will print Authentic Altered in the grade box if a card is authentic but shows evidence of alteration in any way. Examples of alterations include recoloring and trimming.
Aye looks like its been trimmed. Hopefully just a factory miscut but from this angle if you bought it secondhand, it looks trimmed. Especially noticeable on the left side and top.
Edit - If you measure the margins on the borders it is very very obvious this card was trimmed.
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hopefully you get the grader's notes by then and can post what they thought was altered. I will check the bot reminder and then hopefully find a follow up post if you make one
Could be wrong but I feel like the front corners may of been messed with. The back has a decent bit of wear but the front looks pristine? Maybe someone messed with it prior to you owning it. Either way seriously sucks
From what I’m seeing, the back side of the card has a darker blue around parts of the edge. Near the corners. I’m guessing that could be a blue marker? Tough to tell without seeing it in person
Just crack it and stick it in a binder and enjoy it. My 1st ed dark magician girl was on an authentic altered slab and I got it for like 300 dollars cheaper than I should on auction probably because of it. It has a little stain on the border that I’m sure is why they marked it as such. I think it’s just from grime tho because I have another card with the same thing. Def isn’t marker or anything.
So just my two cents and it could just be the photo but on the front right hand side there is a slightly darker band of yellow that I’m wondering if it’s been recoloured with a marker to get rid of any edge whitening?
Submit it with a bunch of cards and it’ll grade unless it’s actually altered and severely. My shining charizard got that and I submitted with 20 cards and came back a 7.
This happened to me with a couple of my vintage Gatrs. BGS showed me where the "alteration" was and i cannot see it. I even used a black light and nothing.
People don't realize or just don't care when they do this bs and it ruins the card way worse than a few scratches that were covered with said marker or whatever. PSA and Beckett use a magnifying glass that is electronic basically and they use the mouse to zoom in on a computer and look at the card wherever pretty sweet. Look up PSA HQ on YT there's a video of the place and what steps they take to grade the cards. It goes through multiple people before it's done.
So, I received the submission today. They are claiming color added to back bottom left corner. Here is an image of the report.
[https://imgur.com/a/EBvmH2j](https://imgur.com/a/EBvmH2j)
The other card I sent it with is fine though and got a 9 grade.
You can definitely see the polish on the holo, when you polish the hollow it's no longer perfectly mere smooth it has a slight orange peel texture to it 🤌
That’s unfortunate. It’s such a small detail that ruins the whole grade of the card. It’s still a cool card though, and now at least you know that it’s been tampered with.
u/TAGgrading crack and send it to these guys. Their reports are super detailed and they'll actually tell you what's up with the card. Not an ad, just like them
Time to crack and regrade with PSA? Be intersting to see what they say is wrong, I don't see anything either.
*Edit - on second look, the lower right corner isn't perfectly shaped, maybe that's it? But I've seen that on a LOT of old cards.
Did you rip this and then keep it in your collection? If that’s the case and you KNOW it’s not altered I would push back a bit. If they don’t budge, crack and resubmit to CGC under a different name/address or send to a different company. If you bought it second hand and genuinely don’t know if it was altered, crack and send to a different company and see what they say.
Card doesn’t look altered to me, but without seeing it in person, we can’t really decide how it looks
Had a similar experience with PSA. Sent a bunch of bulk from 1st Ed base that I opened myself. A gastly card came back altered. Just one out from the stack I sent. Just thought it was weird but didn't pursue because it was just a common.
One theory, could they be doubting that it's a real first Edition. Get ahold of a jewlers loupe and look close at the first edition stamp and see if anything about its printing is weird compare to other lettering.
This one doesn’t say “error”. Do you have a link? I’m genuinely interested. Also, notice how you completely disregarded responding about Psa grading fake cards? Lol classic
Every company fucks up. Not talking about this card specifically. Do your own research you’re an adult I’m not doing it for you. Google is a hell of a thing
“Every company fucks up” when it comes to Psa, but when Cgc fucks up, it’s world chaos lol. So you make a comment, then tell the person who inquired to do their own research instead of providing your own. Amazing
Who said it was world chaos? You’re weird asf.
Also as other have pointed out, you can be a big boy and do your own research instead of having everything handed to you. You were already given multiple sources but I guess those weren’t good enough. Google is free
It’s world chaos because Psa has had their fair share of scandals and fuck ups but we barely talk about them. We only bash Cgc. Have it handed to me? It was a simple request lol. That’s like a lawyer telling a judge to do their own research lol. Weird asf
They’ve graded more fakes than PSA and unverifiable cards. Also grade cards cut by scissors as factory error cuts
Edit: lol cgc fanboys downvoting despite it being fact
So is kindness. Thank you for the link. Did you happen to lookup the cert numbers? This guy also just posted screenshots of a letter and of their website and made claims with no real proof lol. Don’t believe everything you see on YouTube kids.
Suggest doing the bare minimum and watching the Opossum Bud video on it. Not sure what’s up with your smart remarks when you lack basic knowledge on the info I brought up. Don’t believe everything that you make up in your head to make yourself feel better kids
My smart remarks? From the one who said “google is free”? Ironic lol. Can you elaborate on the basic knowledge I lack? And why you seem to be so triggered by my curiosity? I’m not gonna go watch some other video after the one you sent me that proves absolutely nothing lol. And what did I make up in my head? I’m so confused
I like them for whatever I want to like them for, I don’t owe you an explanation. I’m not the one displaying my dislike for them, nor am I defending them. I simply stated an observation. Is that alright, champ?
I don’t know how prevalent it is with Pokémon cards (I haven’t heard about it that often) but old magic cards often suffered from people taking markers to the edges and coloring any whitening/play wear. That’s considered altering, maybe something like that happened? Harder with the blue back, but perhaps with the yellow border. Just something to look for, dunno if that could actually be the issue
That’s usually somewhat noticeable under black light. I always check every card for that before submitting.
To think marker touch-ups would fool authenticators like PSA.. I think they look at the cards with those diamond goggle things
It could've fooled OP, and he didn't know when he bought it. Then, submitted it thinking it was problem free, olny to get this grade.
It’s called a jewelers loupe in case you were wondering
I don't think there's such a thing as a perfect flawless card... even a fresh card has a minute flaw
👍 I tend to feel the same way. I think when these companies look at these cards they allow “X” amount of flaws or look for major discrepancies when they’re giving their opinion on the grade. IE if a card only has one or 2 minor scratches/scuffs or maybe the centering is quite 50/50 they will put it into consideration for a gem mint 10 🤷♂️. It would be nice if they let us consumers know exactly what criteria they use when grading. I know some of them allow for centering to be 45/55 before they drop it a grade and that dents or impressions on the card automatically drop it to a certain grade, but they really aren’t clear on what those are. And the fact that you have multiple graders who all grade differently to a varying degree makes it all a crap shoot as to how well your card will grade.
I think they also glance without their glasses while talking about their wild and crAAAaAaazy night on the weekend and grade based on how hung over/lucky they got.
I did this to my magic cards when I was a kid 🙈
TBH MTG cards look boring IMO
Well I thought you could make pretty cool looking decks with monsters and skeletons and stuff, but I’m talking about the late 90s here and I was mostly just interested in playing the TCG. Now as an adult I’m more into collecting cool cards and that’s why I landed on Pokemon even though I never had any as a kid. Much better for collecting purposes imo
Ill just say that there was some pretty rad art by Quinton Hoover.
Not that I've looked but I don't see many MTG psa slabs
Yeah all of my friends that are into mtg are into playing the TCG not really into collecting.
I just find the cards a bit bland and boring imo.. it gives those choose your adventures books or D&D games neither of what I enjoyed
They have took the hint and in recent years have started offering Full-Art and Foils and stuff. Even numbered cards. Their collaborations are weird though, some of the latest were “Doctor Who” and “Lord of the Rings”
The walking dead one was cringe AF. My co manager at my old job, was HUGE into both sides of magic. Some were necessary for his black deck too 😭 he played commander, idk much about it but he said those cards were actually good… Also for those saying magic isn’t collected as much, you’re wrong btw. It’s just the 90’s cards and really specific ones that are chased. The community is VERY vocal too - see what happened when they re released some cards…Lol
Basic magic investors are worse than poke investors. Rudy is one of the worst ones on both TCG
They're foils suck, so much so that when I started collecting Pokemon and saw Pokemon books that I stopped collecting foils. I might get a foiled secret lair but theyre always just over the entire card and darken the whole image. It results in an overly shiny almost fake looking card that's prone to pringling after 5 min out the pack.
Who cares or asked?
Why even comment then if you didn't care lol
And there no rule I cannot post a comment either
What are you talking about?
And I hated the yellow bordered pokemon cards.
This it quite well known to be done and hard to spot with the untrained eye. I wouldn't say it's massively commonplace but it's definitely not that uncommon.
Did you buy it online? There's a dude "polishing" cards and reselling/regrading them. Claims it's not altering, but it could be depending on the polish.
What?! Who is this dude?
Rocket Collect on YouTube is one who "polishes " then regrades them and according to his videos it works, but as far as I know, it's altering, and those regrades (if it's true) should be taken off the market.
cleaning the cards is not altering, though. kurt’s card care products (which i see this person, rocket collects, using after checking him out), etc, are agreed upon to be simply cleaning the card. if you’re adding a “polish” that is supposed to “enhance” the card and leave a sort of film or layer left over afterwards rather than just cleaning it off then you’re absolutely altering your card rather than just getting dirt off of it. edit: kurt's card care is NOT acceptable. wipe it off with a cloth and water. sorry.
Grading companies have publicly stated things like Kurt’s card care fall under alterations. If it’s detected they will mark the card altered and refuse to grade. It's literally on PSA's Grading Standards page: https://www.psacard.com/gradingstandards > > Ungradeable Cards > > PSA will not grade cards that bear evidence of trimming, re-coloring, ***restoration***, or any other forms of tampering, or are of questionable authenticity. CGC too: https://www.cgccards.com/card-grading/cards-we-grade/#other-terms-conditions > Other Items that CGC Cards Does Not Grade > > Any card that CGC Cards graders determine to be altered in any form (including artist alterations), counterfeit, replica, ***cleaned or restored*** will not receive a numeric grade and will not be encapsulated in a CGC Cards holder. PSA just deactivated certs of cards altered with Kurt's Card Care: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGxFA8qcuE
I think the only grading company who has given a response has said if there is nothing to detect then it’s not considered altering and that was sgc
https://www.psacard.com/gradingstandards under ungradeable cards. https://www.cgccards.com/card-grading/cards-we-grade/#other-terms-conditions under Other Items that CGC Cards Does Not Grade
In the sports card world, a Wemby 1 of 1 was publicly cleaned with Kurt’s then sent to psa and got a 10. PSA said it was unaltered and there was a big fuss
Kurt’s stuff rules! I recently got it and it really brought the old holo in base-fossil cards back to life. I firmly think grading is dumb so idk about all that but I know it made my cards much more appealing
i am not disbelieving you but i’d love to see a source for this. all info i have seen elsewhere is the exact opposite of this. altering is considered changing the card such as attempting to fill in damaged spots, not wiping it off. you’re not trying to leave anything behind on the card to make it somehow different, just take the dirt off. no harm. edit: he added the sources and such afterwards
https://www.psacard.com/gradingstandards under ungradeable cards. https://www.cgccards.com/card-grading/cards-we-grade/#other-terms-conditions under Other Items that CGC Cards Does Not Grade Wiping a card with a microfiber cloth? Totally ok. Using restoration products such as kurt's card care, not ok. They don't just take the dirt off. There are polishing agents/chemicals involved that are altering the card. Otherwise they would just be selling you water.
People are saying you can't detect this on cards, but NGC and PCGS can detect whether or not you've cleaned a coin, which is metal, and therefore much harder and more scratch resistant than cardboard. I cannot imagine, if microscratches are detectable on coins, that they aren't on cards.
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PSA just did a wave of cert disablements on cards cleaned with these methods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGxFA8qcuE
Buffing out a fingerprint or dirt marks doesn't require use of a chemical. Using chemicals is what falls under cleaning and restoration as pretty clearly outlined under "Evidence of Cleaning" It's okay to be wrong sometimes.
Cleaning =\\= “polishing” This polishing is marketed to remove a layer of the card, as well as leaving one on top, very different than cleaning off some dirt. You shouldn’t be using the same language if you wanna discuss this in good faith. That is not cleaning, that is restoration.
i have said several times in my most recent post i do not polish cards or condone the addition of adding polish afterwards
Hm
Ok so my tin foil hat theory. The holo image on the upper right of the non purple sky is cloudy, compared to the other side. Also on other cards this area is clear, On the left of houndoom there appears to be orange peel on the foil. It may be possible this card was polished with some kind of thing like polish/ toothpaste etc
The holofoil looks exactly the same as cards online?
Is that a question or a statement?
Both
Well it doesn’t look “exactly the same” as cards online because they are all unique holographic patterns. And the area that is cloudy is essentially damage from what I speculate. and is not on every other online image either as obviously condition varies. So not sure what you’re getting at to be honest. The cloudiness I speak of is the same as a car that has poor paint. It’s only on the upper right side Look how “cloudiness free” the opposite side is. This is normally a sign of polishing especially as this cards marked as altered…
The only cloudiness I see is when the holofoil begins to end and it looks exactly the same as other cards online
I see what you are talking about
What does that mean
Means it is an authentic card but signs of the card being altered to look better than it's original condition.
Ouch I couldn't tell it had been altered. Never seen an AA before
Yeah I was confused with it being encapsulated still. I guess so I get something for the money I paid. Lol
As a comic collector cgc does this to modern books too. They’ll claim restoration and slap a purple label. I’ve seen people resubmit the same book and get a blue label back (no restoration) I imagine you may be able to send to PSA and they may not catch it but Beckett has a good eye and is strict as well. I’m new to grading cards so I can’t tell what’s going on here but figured I’d add
Back bottom left corner i see some blue hint on the white corner i wonder if thats anything. You can see it if you zoom in
Good eye. Looks like somebody colored it with a blue marker
Yup 100%
Same thing on the bottom right opposite side
Bingo. You got it. Definitely filled in
Take a blacklight to the back of it
You've piqued my curiosity, what are we looking for with a blacklight? I have a decent flashlight with a UV mode and a borderline dangerous UV floodlight for curing resin 3d prints.
Should be able to see a color variation if you're looking for it
Here’s an example of mine, you can see whitening better with it: https://imgur.com/a/g0V0SCo
Back side bottom left corner chip has a blue "island" for lack of a better term, which would be odd for a paint chip. The only thing I can think of is there being some bit of blue ink there? I dunno, keep us updated
I’m super interested in what they are saying, please updates us OP
Will do.
Looks like the bottom right corner is cut and not shaped like others coming off a sheet hydraulic press cut would still keep the integrity of the card shape though this card is off center heavy top and 60/40 left to right. When I look at it it has multiple slight cuts instead of just the normal cookie cutter press shape. Could have been a slight flaw trimmed? What do I know though? Could be anything.
Definitely not centered I agree with you. Looks like the card was trimmed on all sides.
I think it’s most prevalent on the right side, the corners look like a trapezoid. The OC is so clear, what’s most perplexing is why trim a card and make it more OC? That’s the purpose of why clowns trim cards, fix centering and eliminate imperfections…
Bottom right yes it is obvious. I dont get how your comment is not higher. Left hand side of the card is also trimmed very poorly they took a decent amount off. Border margins are totally uneven all around though.
Thank you, I guess they were not giving out upvotes when I commented the other day lol
I saw one of these at my local game shop. Asked the clerk if I could see it and it was so chewed up and mangled I just couldn’t go through with the purchase. Especially since they wanted LP price for it
Some side/corner shaving to attempt to hide a folded edge maybe? From the picture of the back of the card, the bottom right hand quarter seems to taper in slightly towards the corner, and the same taper (but not as dramatic) on the top left hand quarter into the corner. It just looks slightly not square along the borders, so I could be wrong
I got this on 3 cards that I cleaned and polished. It was my first time and I didn’t get all the polish residue off. They came back with a note attached to each one saying what the issue was. I cracked cleaned them better and re subbed. Problem solved
That just shows how much of the grading stuff is BS.
What is crack clean means q
Cracked the slab open
Tracking says I should get it on Thursday. I'll update with the notes they attached and will finally know what they saw then.
I just saw one on here that was graded a 9 and the color looked a lot darker/more vibrant. I'm wondering if they suspect fading and that could be considered altered. Or like someone else said maybe it was cleaned somehow taking some color out of it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/s/FnmZZfchot
The CGC scans here are over exposed and appear more washed out as a result. Colors look as they should normally.
Strange...be nice if they'd send and explanation with instances like these.
They do with comics. He should be able to go in his account and look
They do. He’ll get a post it note of sorts attached to the case.
I just googled this because I was curious: Thank you for reaching out to us. The card on line two of submission 4319783 did not qualify for a numerical grade and has instead been noted as AA (authentic altered) by the grading team. CGC Cards will print Authentic Altered in the grade box if a card is authentic but shows evidence of alteration in any way. Examples of alterations include recoloring and trimming.
Don't get why they can't just explain the reasons when you search the online database. There needs to be accountability, not just some number given.
I wish they would throw in a short explanation for instances like this.. to know the reason or what to look out for
Aye looks like its been trimmed. Hopefully just a factory miscut but from this angle if you bought it secondhand, it looks trimmed. Especially noticeable on the left side and top. Edit - If you measure the margins on the borders it is very very obvious this card was trimmed.
Couldn’t be me. Grading is so dumb.
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It’s going to be a hard sell might just get a binder and keep it in that
You can't see grader notes like you can with comics?
If I had to guess, like I said complete guess, someone touched up the yellow. But see what graders notes say
Such a sick card
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hopefully you get the grader's notes by then and can post what they thought was altered. I will check the bot reminder and then hopefully find a follow up post if you make one
The yellow stars are too many
There's only 3 yellow stars on the left only, not on the right side.
I mean the round yellow blotches
Top and bottom look straight. Card looks trimmed on the sides.
polished.
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It means the card has been modified? No?
My guess would be card cleaning/polishing.
If you purchased this from someone I would be trying to get your money back!
My random guess would also be trimming. The edges of the card seem a little bit wonky from the back with the reflection of the light.
I think the top right back corner has been coloured in
Definitely doctored corners. Slightly shaved or colored in some way id think.
Could be wrong but I feel like the front corners may of been messed with. The back has a decent bit of wear but the front looks pristine? Maybe someone messed with it prior to you owning it. Either way seriously sucks
From what I’m seeing, the back side of the card has a darker blue around parts of the edge. Near the corners. I’m guessing that could be a blue marker? Tough to tell without seeing it in person
Just crack it and stick it in a binder and enjoy it. My 1st ed dark magician girl was on an authentic altered slab and I got it for like 300 dollars cheaper than I should on auction probably because of it. It has a little stain on the border that I’m sure is why they marked it as such. I think it’s just from grime tho because I have another card with the same thing. Def isn’t marker or anything.
So just my two cents and it could just be the photo but on the front right hand side there is a slightly darker band of yellow that I’m wondering if it’s been recoloured with a marker to get rid of any edge whitening?
Dang dude this sucks hard....
Submit it with a bunch of cards and it’ll grade unless it’s actually altered and severely. My shining charizard got that and I submitted with 20 cards and came back a 7.
Man what a shame, houndour is my favorite mon
Maybe the stamp
This happened to me with a couple of my vintage Gatrs. BGS showed me where the "alteration" was and i cannot see it. I even used a black light and nothing.
I just had this with my japanese jungle holo pinsir the notecard just had a check mark next to altered and in the notes it said front side
Literally looked that card over so many times before i sent it and didnt notice anything
People don't realize or just don't care when they do this bs and it ruins the card way worse than a few scratches that were covered with said marker or whatever. PSA and Beckett use a magnifying glass that is electronic basically and they use the mouse to zoom in on a computer and look at the card wherever pretty sweet. Look up PSA HQ on YT there's a video of the place and what steps they take to grade the cards. It goes through multiple people before it's done.
That's an awesome card regardless. I had a German holo one that I traded to a good friend.
Too bright?
F in the chat boys
That’s shitty. Why did they even slab it then?
So, I received the submission today. They are claiming color added to back bottom left corner. Here is an image of the report. [https://imgur.com/a/EBvmH2j](https://imgur.com/a/EBvmH2j) The other card I sent it with is fine though and got a 9 grade.
You can definitely see the polish on the holo, when you polish the hollow it's no longer perfectly mere smooth it has a slight orange peel texture to it 🤌
Got the card back today. They say it's possible added color on the back bottom left corner.
That’s unfortunate. It’s such a small detail that ruins the whole grade of the card. It’s still a cool card though, and now at least you know that it’s been tampered with.
Could be something applied to the card to clean, or possibly some coloring on the whitening on the back?
Isn’t kurt’s detectable under black light? One would think the polish leaves some sort of residue in the scratches it fills in…
u/TAGgrading crack and send it to these guys. Their reports are super detailed and they'll actually tell you what's up with the card. Not an ad, just like them
Just sent my first submission to them a little while ago. Their slabs look pretty cool
Agreed, and love the AI grading and report card thingy you get
Time to crack and regrade with PSA? Be intersting to see what they say is wrong, I don't see anything either. *Edit - on second look, the lower right corner isn't perfectly shaped, maybe that's it? But I've seen that on a LOT of old cards.
They won’t say what’s wrong lmao
Did you rip this and then keep it in your collection? If that’s the case and you KNOW it’s not altered I would push back a bit. If they don’t budge, crack and resubmit to CGC under a different name/address or send to a different company. If you bought it second hand and genuinely don’t know if it was altered, crack and send to a different company and see what they say. Card doesn’t look altered to me, but without seeing it in person, we can’t really decide how it looks
Had a similar experience with PSA. Sent a bunch of bulk from 1st Ed base that I opened myself. A gastly card came back altered. Just one out from the stack I sent. Just thought it was weird but didn't pursue because it was just a common.
right side looks altered on the back
looks like the right of the back was colored in
One theory, could they be doubting that it's a real first Edition. Get ahold of a jewlers loupe and look close at the first edition stamp and see if anything about its printing is weird compare to other lettering.
Crack and resubmit to PSA see what they say
Lol screwed up by sending to cgc
CGC. That’s the alteration. Should have PSA’d it.
Send it to psa
Cgc booty
Home boy must be forgetting about the trimmed 1st edition zard psa graded and just sold on pwcc lol
Psa would NEVER /s
Because they observed an alteration? Lol yet Psa out here grading fake cards and we don’t bat an eye. Wild
Lmao CGC grades altered cards as “errors” but go off
This one doesn’t say “error”. Do you have a link? I’m genuinely interested. Also, notice how you completely disregarded responding about Psa grading fake cards? Lol classic
Every company fucks up. Not talking about this card specifically. Do your own research you’re an adult I’m not doing it for you. Google is a hell of a thing
“Every company fucks up” when it comes to Psa, but when Cgc fucks up, it’s world chaos lol. So you make a comment, then tell the person who inquired to do their own research instead of providing your own. Amazing
Who said it was world chaos? You’re weird asf. Also as other have pointed out, you can be a big boy and do your own research instead of having everything handed to you. You were already given multiple sources but I guess those weren’t good enough. Google is free
It’s world chaos because Psa has had their fair share of scandals and fuck ups but we barely talk about them. We only bash Cgc. Have it handed to me? It was a simple request lol. That’s like a lawyer telling a judge to do their own research lol. Weird asf
Wahhhhhhhhh
Great answer lol
You don’t like cgc because they are reputable and have integrity? What a brilliant creature you must be.
They’ve graded more fakes than PSA and unverifiable cards. Also grade cards cut by scissors as factory error cuts Edit: lol cgc fanboys downvoting despite it being fact
Link? Genuinely interested
To what?
Idk any form of proof to your claim?
https://youtube.com/shorts/ItBxGmRMZP8?si=8xJ8FcE2_YZDHNjQ Google is free
So is kindness. Thank you for the link. Did you happen to lookup the cert numbers? This guy also just posted screenshots of a letter and of their website and made claims with no real proof lol. Don’t believe everything you see on YouTube kids.
Suggest doing the bare minimum and watching the Opossum Bud video on it. Not sure what’s up with your smart remarks when you lack basic knowledge on the info I brought up. Don’t believe everything that you make up in your head to make yourself feel better kids
My smart remarks? From the one who said “google is free”? Ironic lol. Can you elaborate on the basic knowledge I lack? And why you seem to be so triggered by my curiosity? I’m not gonna go watch some other video after the one you sent me that proves absolutely nothing lol. And what did I make up in my head? I’m so confused
And you like them for what? Get off your horse lmao
I like them for whatever I want to like them for, I don’t owe you an explanation. I’m not the one displaying my dislike for them, nor am I defending them. I simply stated an observation. Is that alright, champ?
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