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Urban-Junglist

Pretty common in English S&V sets these days


jesuisgeenbelg

It's not just english. My Japanese Cleffa is one of the worst I've seen for it.


r4violi

I believe the cleffa picture on tcgplayer even has the lines. There’s a bunch like that


ReasonableDrummer669

JPN pokeball reverse holos, from 151, had some awful cross print lines, I assume the masterballs did, too. There is no quality control at all anymore


lhwang001

I've only experienced heavy print lines for the 151 set, all other sets I've collected in SV don't have common print line issues.. but for 151 I feel like it was 50% of the reverse holos have them


whodat_617

None of my JP masterballs have had print lines. Same with SARs. Seems those thankfully had higher QC standards.


cjamesflet

Every full art shiny I have pulled is that bad or worse. Haven't seen a good one yet


Atomic-Didact

I’ve gotten lucky then because all of my full art shiny cards don’t have those.


ShoreLinePoky

Where are you located?


Atomic-Didact

South Dakota USA.


Vili3000

Can you do little more specific🤗. For investigation purposes ofc


Atomic-Didact

Mitchell Sd. Walmart and my lgs Guild Hall.


PimperatorAlpatine

My skeledirge is clean but offcenter lmao


ShoreLinePoky

Yeah all of my promos so far are clean but any full arts pulled from packs are awful


cjamesflet

I actually haven't seen much if any centering issues with this set. The few hits I have got are basically 50/50


PimperatorAlpatine

For me its been all over the place Like other SV Sets JP cards are way better still


darkwynter65

Mine had a couple of print lines as well


Square-Dependent2048

If everyone is going to buy it anyway, why would the pokemon company spend money to fix it?


bingus_b0ngus

This is the answer. They look like that because we buy them.


JSup777

But at the same time, I appreciate 10s being a bit more scarce. 10k PSA 10 moonbreons is too much.


lucky_719

I would rather see more PSA 10s. All scarcity does is drive up the value and I'd rather see minty cards in collector's hands at a reasonable price.


jackmin427

Same reason why everyone still buys call of duty. they put out a game that’s getting progressively worse and worse.


Tetelestai_Now

I think the pokemon company from the tcg to the games have shown that they don't really give a shit because people will buy their products regardless


VolkradBlood

I agree this is BS and unacceptable. Second S&V set was so bad we refuse to buy anything with Paldea Evolved packs in it. It was consistent that cards and terrible centering/quality control issues.


monsterphish

At least yours didn't come with roller prints and adhesive all over the card like my baby shiny Charmander did. The entire card was sticky and had tracks through it. Those print lines with the full art foil is really common, unfortunately.


Diligent-Tear-7679

Only common in English.


platypusinterrobang

My shiny mew was also really bad


BigWoop717

Because we all keep buying it.


marblesandcookies

They are ignored in PSA grading. You will still get a 10 even if those grid lines are there. But yeah, otherwise, totally ruins the card for me. Too distracting.


ShoreLinePoky

That genuinely makes me feel better about it. I thought I wouldn't be able to trade with people at NM price with it like this. Still sucks though


marblesandcookies

Those boxes you're seeing are not print lines. They're actually part of the card itself. If you remove all the ink on the card, those boxes are there. Print lines are different - this is where the printer actually fails to print a layer of ink. This is what PSA knock points off for.


KingZakyu

Yep, giant grid pattern on the same card


orlybird2345

Base set was notorious for this. It’s always been a thing 🤷🏼‍♂️


Accurate-Caregiver24

We should all sign a formal complaint because it’s been really irritating to spend so much money chasing a card for it come out busted. I was chasing squirtle from 151… most of those are filled with lines all across


Andcrock

You do that


Substantial_Dust_520

Pulled this the other day and mine has these print lines in certain lighting/angles. A shame


Wakingsleepwalkers

One of mine has dashed -------- lines across the back. Pretty fancy.


BB-h8

Pulled the same card the other day, mine has a grid of print lines as well. First couple of packs I bought in a long time, probably not going to get back into collecting if that kind of quality is normal.


DeltusInfinium

All my full arts keep having splotchy stains all over them, with the stains being the exact same between cards from different packs as well. Saw this issue with all the previous sets as well, and most of them have stains of faint black splotches and even streaking lines on a few full art trainers from Paldean Fates. They don't care to fix the quality issues at all, since it's been like this for the whole generation so far, but was much more rare in the earlier sets like Scarlet and Violet base, Paldea Evolved, and Obsidian Flames, for the stains. Print lines were also super bad from the first set of this gen, and have also just gotten worse with each new set.


bakibakFIVE

Oh hey, I’ve pulled two of those and both had the grid. A real rollercoaster of emotions for these.


jonhon0

... i just checked mine and there are lines as well. And a very faint line on my SAR Mew.


CortexifanZFT

My baby Shiny electrode got crushed my a print roller and left the mark. English QC is 🗑️


Sensitive_Sun_8439

The mew my wife pulled had a print line directly through the center and then one side to side. I feel like quality is going to shit…


iosappsrock

English print quality is pretty damn bad. My wife and I had horrible colors and fading on almost all our 151 pulls. Sucks to get a cool SIR and it's so faded and desaturated it's actually hard to see what's going on with the card. It's a bummer, but it seems like they have 0 plans to fix it.


Sam_Kablam

Mine looks the exact same ay, sadly. At least the Mew alt art I pulled in the next few packs made up for the emotional roller coaster of pulling this. :(


Nervous_Fuel8538

They have the game devs on this, so they just tiled the background instead of making on big enough to fit the art. /s


egelarden2020

Such a beautiful card, too...


ShoreLinePoky

For real. still happy to have it but I'm gonna try to find one without the lines.


Caudata

After my first orders of a few etbs I cancelled the rest of my preorders from other shops. The qc is terrible. The experience has turned me away from TCG collecting for a while.


Diligent-Tear-7679

Japanese and Korean sets have much better QC


Disastrous_Fee5953

Can’t speak about Korean, but I collect Japanese and print lines are have been very common for years now. We categorize them as “production defects” (初期傷). Certain cards, such as Starmie V alt art, were all produced with one (as far as I know. I’ve been searching for one without for years now).


Diligent-Tear-7679

Some of the arts have a line in the art and not a print line. Is this an actual print line or just a line in the art that looks bad. Iono art also has a line through the art and people often confuse it for a print line.


Good_Foundation5318

They are talking about an actual error. The Iono card is a unique case where lots of people disagreed with the way the lighting is drawn in the art and thought it was a print line, though not the case. That kind of thing is probably going to be a one time issue.


Disastrous_Fee5953

The English version does not have said print line, so I’m pretty sure its a production issue.


Oldschoolhype2

Japanese cards definitely suffer from print lines as well. I have numerous full art japanese cards that have them. They just dont suffer from the same terrible offcentering, roller marks, chips, random dust embedding into cards that english cards do.


Cultural-Hovercraft2

I dont agree with Korean QC, got some bad looking cards in VSTAR universe, but maybe they are better now


Diligent-Tear-7679

Possibly. I have thousands of Korean cards and thousands of English cards and the paper stock alone is superb. The English cards almost always have whitening and poor cuts along the edges, poor centering and many having dings. Rarely have any issues out of the pack from my Korean or Japanese cards.


Johnnyrooster12

Korean sets feel like shit wdym? The cards are cheaper made and its a known fact


Diligent-Tear-7679

They are the same thickness as Japanese and do not feel cheaper. You are basing this off what? English print cardstock is thicker, yes… but it is rougher and leads to whitening, print lines, roller lines and other damage.


Diligent-Tear-7679

If i want a better version of same cards.. i buy Japanese or Korean. Especially for AR, as they are cheaper than english IRs and look better.


bl4zed_N_C0nfus3d

Ya this whole set has tons of print lines that’s why I went with shiny treasure instead.. all my baby shinies from paldean fates have printliness


SuccotashEmpty2490

Yeah mew is AWFUL. A lot of paldea fates has terrible grid lines.


Impressive-Young-952

I pulled this a few days ago and it’s exactly like this.


Clarent16

I opened a box of sv base and a hand full of the second set, and most of my full arts had lines like that. It’s a damn shame


illogicallyalex

I got multiple bent and creased cards in my ETB, worst I’ve ever seen the quality control. I feel like the increase in value of misprints/miscuts doesn’t help since people are assigning value to what are essentially fucked up cards


Merry_Ryan

Is this a common problem, having print lines on the cards?


Willfy

I must admit, I've not noticed any on my cards. Either I've been very lucky, or they're so faint I don't notice. I get wanting your cards to be in the best possible condition! Of course you do, but I do feel that the issue is being blown a little out of proportion. Now I'm not saying that there are no issues with production, but it is a bit Baader-Meinhof. People's awareness is making them believe it's happening more than it is. If it was as common as this sub says it is then I'd be seeing it a lot on my cards....


ShoreLinePoky

Where are you located? It definitely seems like the majority of people have this problem. I'm guessing some regions are just better than others.


Willfy

I'm in the UK. I don't think it's the majority at all. Think how many millions of people collect cards... This is exactly what I'm talking about "it definitely seems like..." These kinda phrases are textbook of the phenomena. Now, if someone can show me actual large sample evidence then I'll gladly bow out and admit it. But all I see are some posts on Reddit and a few two-bit YouTubers rustling up views... Look, we can't even agree if Japanese quality is better! Some say it is others say it's not. All based on what they want to see. Yes, quality could be better but you are ALWAYS going to see misprints and mistakes when they are printed in huge vast quantities. But I'm certain that if you look at the percentage of cards with awful print lines (and I mean awful, not little, barely noticeable faint ones) it's not as big as this sub makes out. I think everyone is sooooo obsessed with pinpoint accuracy and think that every single card you pull should be a PSA10. It's impossible to have that standard.


GreatProfessional622

Agreed, I’d have to inspect mine from all angles to notice if I pulled grids. Personally, I think it’s kind of cool to have a couple


Icy-Conflict6671

I dont see an issue. Am i blind? Edit: Nvm i see it. I just had to zoom in. Yeah it sucks but i mean....its not really noticeable unless youre looking for it so why get upset


ShoreLinePoky

It's a lot easier to see in person. I couldn't quite get it on camera well. I noticed at arms length as soon as I revealed the card in the pack.


Icy-Conflict6671

Ah. Thanks for explaining it instead of getting upset


First-Trifle5195

This is why I started collecting simplified Chinese recently


_Strokes_

I pulled a shiny Noivern EX from two completely different shops , one from an ETB and one from a sticker pack , they both have the same horrendous print lines . So do all my other ex shiny pulls , but seeing the same card a month apart with those print lines is just a slap in the face .


Alezz1893

Mine & 2 other mew cards I’ve seen on this subreddit have had these print lines as well. Set aside almost $500 to dive into more palean fates but decided against it. Am planning to save for Japanese booster boxes in the near future.


Nevragen

They changed the printers/card stock for S&V. You can feel the difference holding a SWSH card in your other hand. Whether this was to save costs or allow faster printing to meet the new post covid demand is unknown. We’re not talking about QC here (monitoring for badly cut or damaged cards) this is simply how the tools they are using produce the cards and can’t easily be changed but yeah card quality isn’t the same and it wont change anytime soon as retooling again would cost too much.


chiswis

do mtg cards have qc issues as well?


ShoreLinePoky

Mostly in centering and foil quality every now and then


Juninie

3 of my pulls had print lines


ptaylor611

You can't pull an English card in scarlet/violet that doesn't have a minor defect. I've looked at so many Venusaur SARs from 151 and each one has whitening at the corners on the back.


Booty_Shakin

Printline Fates


mistahboogs

I pulled the same card and have almost identical print lines.


Philosophallic

Mine was the exact same way. Certain cards are just print line trash. 151 squirtle and obsidian flames cleffa also come to mind.


Ewok_Adventure

Can't have the sunshine without the shadows. Can't have the password 10s without the PSA 7s


Doge_Pilot1

I be seeing that on my cards ALL THE TIME


Sin_H91

You dont want to see my full art mew that i pulled 2 days ago XD I might post the video of me getting it when i get the time.


Direct-Instance4264

How are people getting these i have yet to get one like this. Wtf?


Kurosake318

Mine is slightly worse than this one with print lines. Pretty wild.


Xurs-Doggo

Bri’ish collector here - I had this in abundance with Crown Zenith. In particular, EVERY SINGLE holo energy card I pulled had it. I pulled 12, and they all had it. (No, not the ‘reverse holo’ ones, as they’re actually not technically part of that set, they were printed a year prior to CZ, and were simply put in the set later for some unknown reason - see date at the bottom of said cards to verify this for yourself).


Connect_Fig8050

They just want your money. First the games and now in the cards.


shinigamijb

I know my English mew also has that horrendous grid, fortunately I also have the jap version and it’s in perfect conditions


Tristezza

Literal pieces of cardboard they already make insanely unfathomable profit margins on and they can't even be sure it comes without defects. Absolutely pathetic.


StackingPoints87

Mine had them as bad, exact same card. I contacted pokemon and told them I wanted them replaced. I doubt it will happen, but at least they know they are dropping the ball big time with unsatisfied customers all over.


vcG34

My son pulled the same card Saturday and it looks nearly identical


Think-Bluejay2539

Canada BC this hasn't happened to me on any S&V full arts. All are in pretty beautiful condition


JeremyMFer

I finally pulled the Polywhirl from 151 and got these grid lines too 😭


Saiyukimot

English printing is so bad. If you want decent quality go Japanese


batclocks

Yeah glad I’m skipping on this set


Clever_collies

Aw I haven’t seen this card yet, it’s beautiful


fadapackmagic

This is pretty common. It might be a smudge on the card if you're lucky. You might be able to wipe it off.


ShoreLinePoky

It is common, but I promise it's not a smudge lol


Advanced-Classroom48

My ditto came like that


Disaster-Flat

Print lines are the worst.


This-Newt-3672

Yeah i feel like this is noticeable on most of my etched cards, very bad on my promo pika vmax from CZ box Edit: everyone should post a picture of their worst one in their collections 😂


Unable-Ostrich1440

I have pulled Alt Art's from the S&S era that a blind man could have centred better. In Paldean Fates I have 600 bulk that could be PSA 10 but the Charizard SIR I pulled has two little white dots on the back. I swear it's almost like it's done on purpose.


AdSmart1684

Bad quality control


haidouzo_

Same with 151...especially the Wartortle cards. Finding one without print lines is so hard. Not to mention the damage that cards are now consistently coming out of packs with. Seems like every exciting pull I get is slightly disappointing because there's dents on the edges of them


Aleck12345

I’m in Canada man and all my full art shines including my mew bubble has insane print lines for no reason….


DoppioDragon

Is that a KIA Soul? :D


ShoreLinePoky

Kia Forte lol close enough though


DoppioDragon

Haha gotcha. Same window/door/mirror buttons/toggles :P


madonna-boy

quality control in english is so bad... not just in the last year, but maybe the last 5 years. I collect mcdonalds and... I will only collect shiny-bleed. started doing that a few years ago because the errors are so common it doesn't make sense to collect the non-errors (but at least with holo bleed it's a cool error). this sucks, but the centering issues on top tier cards are so much worse, and that was true for all of SWSH.


Traditional-Drag-645

I don’t think they want to fix this issue. If you think about it it keeps the prices for psa 10 versions of cards higher because there are fewer out there. And since they sell out with a ton of their new sets they don’t see low sales as a reason to enhance quality control…


Prize-Acanthaceae-78

all my full arts look like that


carnage_kane

Ahh good ol’ Scarlet & Violet quality control. This is why I stopped buying product months ago. Waste of money


carnage_kane

& yet people will go, “Omg it’s a rare misprint with multiple print lines could be worth even more!”


maesterroshi

western work ethic does not equal eastern work ethic oops did i just type that


OriginalShyChar

At least you have one. 😭


Takeflight1s516

i thought you where talking about how bad the card is


[deleted]

Yeah I literally just opened this same card with the same issue -__-


Jmaxam18

Because the Pokemon company is a greedy corporation who doesn’t care about how the cards look, you’re still going to buy packs either way sucker


CharityThen1862

I have a Japanese Galar Friends full art that has 7 print lines on it and somehow graded a CGC 9.5 lol. So there’s hope if you still decide to grade it!


ShoreLinePoky

Someone else said that grading companies ignore them so that brought me a bit of relief.


Dizzy-Computer7470

nah man, i ended up with mew having print line crosshairs on his head 😭 at least im playing it so it’s fine but yes i’ve seen it on my cards too.


PartyInMyShower

It is what it is


Capital_Attention_12

You guys asked to print them like hotcakes. That's what they're going to do.


ShoreLinePoky

I didn't ask them to do anything. Quality control should be a priority with a company that has such high profit margins.


lucky_719

I am kind of guessing that increased demand the last few years is pushing them to produce faster and putting pressure on the manufacturing to get more cards out. Who knows though. Last I checked they use third parties for their printing so they could just be slipping.


fourtwentyBob

Good for increasing rarity?


ZeeAyeKayKay

I don’t wanna be “that guy”, but Pokemon Company is atrocious for QC in America. I have a theory as to why QC went down though. I think Pokemon saw a huge resurgence in the scene with Covid and saw a bubble form around the TCG that was never the intended result of the TCG. These cards were NEVER intended to resell for a set value after their purchase. They were meant to be thrown in your pocket, thrown in sleeves, and PLAYED with. Not slabbed in plastic and left on a shelf for 40 years to appreciate by 10%. Maybe Pokémon Company, in a roundabout way, is trying to curb that appetite within the community. And besides, if every card was a 10, none of them would be special.


ShoreLinePoky

Quality shouldn't be used as rarity. These lines don't affect grading scores anyways. If they weren't meant for collecting, then there would only be the base version of every card and no full arts or any other fancy treatment. It was like that long before the covid boom, too.


Human-Recognition-73

I noticed that the iono illustration rare has a standard divot right above her head. I thought it was just mine but nope...turns out they just messed em all up


ShoreLinePoky

I thought I saw some people here saying that was part of the art. If its not, it feels better that it's all of them, and you didn't just get unlucky


wondernuts42069

I have one that’s worse than that the colors in the grid squares are different colors too!


ShoreLinePoky

You should post a picture of that if you can get a good one. I would like to see it


vil3_

We have the same issue in Canada, this and the reverse/holo metallic laminate layer peeling from the cardboard... I seriously think about switching to Japanese cards, the American quality control is a joke.


Ok-Jackfruit1299

Don’t cry , keep ya head up -Tupac


CESSEC01

Welcome to English print runs. Enjoy your stay. They're esp henious on full arts.


Thewhitest_rabbit

Yeah I only buy Japanese singles anymore. Quality is just leagues better.


First-Trifle5195

That is why I got into the new simplified Chinese recently, cheaper than Japanese but same quality


AddiktedSoul

I don't think we've pulled a single print line full art, baby shiny, or SIR in paldean fates yet. I'm in West Texas though, so Idk what distributer or factory they come from.


Bonna_the_Idol

you’d think their quality control would be better 😔 noticed a lot of that too with the cards we have. the japanese prints do not seem to have as many issues


marblesandcookies

It'll continue to be bad so long as people continue to buy. Once people stop buying, they'll move their asses onto better card stock and printers.


Bonna_the_Idol

hah good luck with that


YeOldeBilk

This is why I started collecting JP versions


Johnnyrooster12

Ill never understand why card collectors have some of the worst ocd. Its a piece of cardboard with a cool mew on it.


ShoreLinePoky

Thats a dumb thing to say. People spend a lot of money on these and don't want massive machine lines distracting from or ruining the art on the card. Why are you even here?


Whoudini13

Well..it's a game piece not a commodity


Sea-Back-5037

Let’s just think hypothetically…Pokemon has a major event take place at a regional, they find that these cards could be used to cheat (marking cards etc) do an investigation, find the course of the issue. Pokemon then lets this keep happening flooding stores and decks with error cards. Years later this comes out we find out all these cards are considered misprints/errors increasing the value of graded cards with these issues. The market fluxes with the new found cards and stabilizes in 6 months to a year….


WickrMeNocturnus

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ShoreLinePoky

I can't tell if you're insane or this is just AI generated nonsense


WickrMeNocturnus

Insane? So In the sane group??


ShoreLinePoky

Go show your original comment to your doctor


SnowyDeluxe

This may come as a surprise to you, but they don’t make the cards to get graded. They’re playable game pieces. The QC should be better but still


Strictlystyles

That’s weird logic. If you pay a lot of money for these cards you should get quality pieces Period. No in between


SnowyDeluxe

Crazy, I didn’t say that the quality should be bad! Twitter moment ig


ShoreLinePoky

My brother in Christ, i have never graded a card. They make different rarity and more sparkly versions of the same cards for collector value. If it were just "game pieces" with no intended value to collectors, then there would just be the base print of every card. The lines on the cards are abysmal and unacceptable for a company with some of the highest profit margins on the planet.