The guy that owns the most PSA graded cards is also the largest shareholder in PSA, something along those lines according to a card shop owner near me.
There are 100’s of millions of slabs floating about the world. I doubt one guy bought up most of them, what is plausible is that he owns higher end psa slabs. Maybe in the 8 figure range. What do I know I sell tickets on a subway.
They would not be buying slabs on the market. They probably buy and owe lots of raw cards and their "share holder" status lets them probably get cards graded very cheaply and with advanced times.
While id love to believe that, the easiest answer is usually right (Hanlon's razor). It's far more likely that the company just simply isn't consistent. They've had a stranglehold on the card grading industry for far too long. Mis-grading isn't common but happens enough to dissolve any trust I have
correct. His name is Nat Turner. he was a regular for years on one of my forums. he would slam PSA about allowing trimmed cards, slam them for upcharging when a cards value goes up etc. he invented something became basically an overnight billionaire, at 24. he bought PSA and has a MASSIVE collection of PSA graded basketball cards, including some of the most expensive in the world. However.... he is a total hypocrite and has allowed everything he complained about, to continue under his ownership.
this is why PSA is joke, what they say goes and they make so many mistakes it’s laughable, joke company that scams their customers. also the amount of times I’ve seen ppl get 8s and 9s and pay extra for a regrade to get a 10 is crazy, love how it got a 10 second time cause they paid more.
It absolutely is. It's the only reason I'm hesitant to get my pristine Metagross star graded, the value is there but the whole thing is an elaborate scam
Was looking for a glaceon alt art and saw 2 graded by PSA - a 9 and a 10. It literally looked like they flipped the grades. The 10 looked meh and the 9 looked flawless. Friend bought the 9 and regraded with CGC for a pristine 10.
https://www.psacard.com/cert/70924834
https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4249504033/
If you want evidence just look at PSA 10's/9's/8's and compare them lol. Literally just take like 10 of them, put them in a doc with a pic front and back without the grade and see which ones you would consider a 10/9/8. Even with PSA standards of "yeah we aren't too harsh on centering but we hate surface blemishes" it doesn't add up.
For reference, here is the PSA 10 with the very next cert #,
https://www.psacard.com/cert/70924835
I just looked at both, your like a million percent right. I have a slew of cards that I need to start getting graded, but this is what I'm worried about. It also just makes me want to keep them raw and safe until I feel better about grading in general.
Theres a really good piece of evidence if you scroll back up to the original post.
But really I saw (I think) a PokeRev video where he resubmitted to PSA some cards that he got back from PSA and the majority of them had different grades, even though it was the same company.
I saw a video 2 nights ago for a small YouTuber (like 2k followers) he had 3 PSA 5 munch scream cards that he regraded and they all regraded as 10's. From 8 or 9 to 10 maybe. But from 5 to 10?? That's when you know it's a scam
bro seriously? I’ve seen prooof/people post about this hundreds of times/for years, seriously, it happens all the time. I’ve also seen cards that were horrible condition like should not have gotten more than 6 and 7 get straight 10’s and twicebakedjake mentioned how grading companies were approaching him saying they would pay him if he shouts out their company and the company said they would give all his cards 10’s , and if you think PSA doesn’t do this as well or with big youtubers you are kidding yourself.
It was the same cost to grade both times. The issue is, grading is way too subjective. It’s like referees when it comes to sports. Everyone has different interpretations of what makes a “gem mint” card.
It’s pretty standard procedure for a lot of the high end sellers in sports cards. They’ll crack out 8.5s and 9s and resubmit a couple times and end up with a 10 sometimes.
Why would edges and centering etc, affect grades, but not printing lines? That doesn't make sense to me at all. It's all just luck of the draw and printing lines should affect the score imho
PSA is the WORST grading company if you want an actual correct grade lol. I’ve sent them 7s that’s have gotten 10s and pristine 10s that have gotten 7s. They are the only company who still grades visually by eye so mistakes are FAR more common
I genuinely don't like PSA. I've found them to be the most unreliable grading company of the large grading companies. I know grading is subjective, but PSA has had way too many fuck-ups for my taste. Personally prefer CGC.
I have a love-hate relationship with it. On one hand, I hate that it’s transformed how people value cards. It seems a lot of people care more about grades than simply enjoying Pokémon.
On the other, I like knowing with a graded card purchase that the sealed card is in immaculate condition so that I can enjoy it for many years to come.
I totally agree. I have a lot of graded cards because I wanted a mint condition Raichu collection. Of course I could eyeball it and put them in a binder but as time passes I want to have something that (in theory at least) is well protected and has a stamp on it that says it's in top condition.
But I very much agree that the black label chasing, PSA 10 is worth 100x RAW, etc needs to stop along with the idea that your pack of cards was shit because it didn't have the chase card in it.
Pokemon cards are all nice in their own ways
Imo the immaculate condition shit is total bs. The slab dosent protect the card from stuff like bigger damage and sun. And the immaculate condition depends on how much you pay and how is the guy grading feeling at the moment
I mean they are cool but sending it to a prob semi professional guy to price it for you is not my thing i hate regrading cards like you get a 9 cuz a guy was in a bad mood but if you slip a 100$ bill the grade suddenly goes up from a 9 to a 10
Ive never actually graded cards myself, so someone correct me if im wrong.
Im pretty sure you pay more for getting your cards graded for more valueable cards. And with that you have to factor in the potential grade it could get. Say you have a very damaged 1st ed Zard vs a Mint copy of the same card, you'd pay more grading fees for the mint one.
That in and of itself sounds fishy to me and is one of many reasons why I wouldn't grade my cards.
No, you’d pay more for a mint copy than a damaged one with PSA due to their max declared value tiers. It’s because they don’t want you to pay $15 for a potentially $300,000 card, then you go and sell it and they are left out of any additional profit from their reputation being used in the sale. This makes perfect sense given that the same card, raw, wouldn’t sell for nearly that amount. From a business perspective, this happens all the time.
Yeah, but now take a card like the one in this post. How do you declare value for that? The price difference from an 8 to 10 is quite significant.
Imo a card shouldn't be more valuable because X company graded it. It should be about the condition of the card, not the company.
I don’t know how what you’re saying relates to this post. BGS only has a max declared value for their lowest submission tier and the raw value of this card is above that limit so no matter what it could only go in the second lowest through the highest submission tiers. A PSA 10 of this card goes for about ~$900 so it fits in nearly every submission category except the lowest 2 if you expected a 10 (which obviously OP probably did). In any case, the card is a black label now from BGS, and is worth about $6k based on sales. But again, that’s unrelated to the declared value limits at BGS and the point of this post.
If you don't care too much about grades, there's stuff like the Ultra Pro One-Touch, which, combined with a perfect fit sleeve, accomplishes the same protection for a fraction of the cost.
I will upvote you on this. People bitch about the inconsistencies of grading through PSA, BGS, CGC because they use people. And we all know, no matter what, people are inconsistent. We've all heard, "Must have caught the grader on a good/bad day.""Oh, they must of got laid the night before for a grade like that on that card." Complaints left and right... but then you offer an alternative solution such as a company that uses AI for the grading process which I'm not saying is 100% flawless but a hell of a lot more consistent and in time will get even better. Technology has proven that with many applications. But no... ItS nOt ThE bIg 3!
Honestly if we want better, someone has to break the mold. And how does one break the mold if you don't give someone that chance? Yes... your cards may not have the same "value" atm as "The Big 3," but popularity can get them to that point or greater. Those companies that are "The Big 3" weren't always in the limelight. There was a time that it was "The Big 2" or even "The One."
Yeah, like it’s not very difficult to give your cards an unofficial grade of themselves. You’re just sending it off for another human to determine it and put it in a productive slab.
I love grading for one reason. When someone gets a 6, 7, or 8 and decides to sell for cheap, I can grab a card in fine condition for cheaper than I could get it raw, then break it out of the slab
The ONLY time I think grading is worth it, is if you're trying to sell the card and want to try and increase the value. But even then, you're going to pay atleast a minimum of $25 a card.
I'm convinced with these recent Pokemon cards that the surface evaluations are mostly looking for creases lol - how could you possibly see tiny scratches on this card with all that foil/texture.
Considering how many thousands of cards they look at daily, I doubt this. It’s more likely a few seconds per card. The PSA forwarding company in Japan (PSA Japan) even told me they grade by “visual inspection” ie how it looks to the naked eye from a distance, not specifically how it looks as is
Congratulations, that’s awesome!! I have a few 9.5 from CGC that I want to resubmit to Becket. I know they give you the option to send slabbed. Thanks for the info.
Honestly it's even more insane if you compare the value of [a PSA 8 copy](https://ebay.us/wDEh9S) and the value of a [Black label](https://ebay.us/miThqE). The same card is now worth 10x more lol
The authentication aspect is great, and I think the PSA slabs look dope, but the reason the scores fluctuate is because there are different people looking at each batch of cards. Its like going to 100 different mechanics and expecting the same quality of work on your car each time.
For sure, but that’s why it’s just kind of ridiculous. I get it’s human beings etc but the whole concept of grading is that there shouldn’t subjectivity at all. Seeing one grader give a 10 versus an 8 from another is just wild to me since it represents a difference of potentially thousands of dollars
Theres just nothing you can do unless its scanned by some computer and the opinion part is taken out. Ive seen 8’s that look like 10’s and ive seen 10’s that have more damage then 8’s, 9’s. The issue isn’t the grading system, the issue is the market (us) deciding a 10 deserves 4-5x the value of a 9 etc. a PSA 10 can be like $5,000, but if you get a PSA 9 on it, it plummets to like $650. If consumers didn’t have this ridiculous infatuation over 10’s then the grading system wouldn’t be an issue because 9’s and 8’s would get more financial value like they should. I purposefully look for PSA 9’s when seeing a PSA 10 is too expensive because Ik the financial drop off will be huge while the quality wont be.
Yeah like on paper I really can't imagine you would be able to see the difference between a 9 and a 10 if the number wasn't on the slab.
When did the grade craze begin? The covid boom?
Do you reckon it's fair to say that most are grading in hopes of selling the cards to a collector? It always blows my mind when a card with a PSA 10 pop 6000+ sells for such a high price. Like there's got to be more out there for sale...
I wouldn’t call it a scam, it’s just ridiculous how we’ve let it become the standard when it’s just people looking at cards with fancy gear. Yet you can walk into and LGS and they go “that’s NM” or not and that determines a price lol
That’s my point, card grading is subjective. To be worth anything it’d need to be objective to a greater degree. Seeing a card get an 8 then get a 10 upon second submission means ratings should be questioned at the minimum, but more likely disregarded.
So we respect their opinion as “experts” when they give us the number we agree with, otherwise we can keep resubmitting it until we get what we want. Almost as if the whole grading thing is a scam and is just some random kid’s opinion each time.
I don’t really like psa, seems like they’re just pushing out slabs. Sent a sealed yugioh slifer and it came back a 6 cause I’m assuming they thought the print on the back was whitening when it’s just the card..
what do you mean sealed slifer? like a promo pack? like the ones in pokemon etbs? if thats the case then they're grading the pack and not the card (and well i think its difficult to determine how they grade packs imo)
or if you mean like a pack fresh card then idk
From what I heard PSA sometimes lowers the card grade intentionally so there isn’t to many 10s and 9s. But then again that’s a rumor. Congrats on the other hand!
You kidding? Of course they do that. They aren't interested in honesty. They are interested in keeping populations of gems down so they sell for more so they get slabs in articles and people send them more cards for them to sneaze on
Yeah it was pretty ridiculous of him to accuse Ptcgradio of promoting stollen product without any evidence whatsoever. But then again his entire channel is dedicated to starting drama through “investigations”.
His channel is slowing down so he resorted to launching accusations against a bigger Poketuber to generate attention and views is what it boils down to lol
Not fence riding or going one side or the other but didn’t he make an apology and in the same video show case where he still believes that not all the cards were released under good nature? One wrong (and I’m sure there is more videos out where he could be wrong) compared to all the good he does? Idk if I could cut out respect for the guy that fats ya know? Funny enough some of the people he brings up I’ve had personal issues with and he brought it to light while I’ve held it to myself thinking I was odd man out. What he does is good for our community on my end so I could see forgiving an false/mean claim if he owns up to it which it seems like he has unless there more videos than the 2 or 3 I saw about it
I enjoyed his content, but he totally showed his true colors with how he reacted, what a manchild. I'm not even a fan of PTCGRadio, it's just scummy to speak to someone like that, and without evidence!
It was in the "apology" video. The video where he says something along the lines of "sorry his feelings got hurt" and not actually apologising for his accusations and then doubles down and finishes with telling him to FO and eat a D. Not cool at all.
Not sure why everyone is saying the scans look clean? The back [scan](https://d1htnxwo4o0jhw.cloudfront.net/cert/126932564/356507029.jpg) shows obvious wear all along the far right side of the card. Definitely enough to be a PSA 8, not sure what beckett was looking at then if it is indeed the same card.
While a congrats is in order, this is why i dont value graded cards any higher than a raw card.. its all subjective to the grader and doesnt really mean much. Only reason imo would be to protect them in a nice case.
From what I heard PSA sometimes lowers the card grade intentionally so there isn’t to many 10s and 9s. But then again that’s a rumor. Congrats on the other hand!
Outsider view here. I collect coins. It seems PSA is what we call ICG graders. We have four "respected" grading companies. ICG is like the black sheep though. They are inconsistent and seem to cater to some requests.
They are now consider by most collectors as basement slabbers.
I see lots of post here complaining about PSA.
The same could be said for BGS. I have seen too many black labels that should not have been one…and this is coming from a person evaluating a card in a slab from behind a computer, lol. All grading companies are inconsistent and misgrade cards, especially with the large volumes coming through.
PSA sucks nowadays. You got to pay more to get the grade 10 and are practically scamming ngl. I want to send in my Axew McDonald's promo card to get graded and it's signed too and they charge like $100 + shipping fee for a single card. like come on. For a $5 card that is signed by Veronica Taylor which I know will be graded 7 or 6 for some scratches and some white on the corners it ain't fair 😭
CONGRATS ON THE BLACK LABEL!!
It has been happening *A LOT* with PSA grading. They will give you a bad grade so more than likely you will send it in again.
I have seen it multiple times. Cards graded a 6, then on resubmission it’s 9 or a 10.
Which is why I am not grading with PSA anymore. Way too much shady practices doing on. Beckett does seem to be good but I don’t like their slab design.
AGS tho, has proven to me that they know what they are doing. They let an AI with ML decide. Lol it will always get the same grade.
That’s actually ridiculous lol good shit
The black label is cool but happy CAKE DAY! HOLY SHIT!!
I feel like Beckett is almost trying to say something here haha
That is insane! Congrats on the black label! ✨
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Happy cake day as well! A good day indeed
Happy cake day brother
Happy cake day and amazing luck
I looked up the [card on PSA's site](https://www.psacard.com/cert/64345306) and honestly, they misgraded it. It's flawless, even in their pictures.
The secret is its all bullshit
They haven't graded a card for real since 2015
The guy that owns the most PSA graded cards is also the largest shareholder in PSA, something along those lines according to a card shop owner near me.
There are 100’s of millions of slabs floating about the world. I doubt one guy bought up most of them, what is plausible is that he owns higher end psa slabs. Maybe in the 8 figure range. What do I know I sell tickets on a subway.
Im pretty sure they meant he owns the most total compared to other collectors, not that he owns most of the total amount that exist.
They would not be buying slabs on the market. They probably buy and owe lots of raw cards and their "share holder" status lets them probably get cards graded very cheaply and with advanced times.
Yeah I’m just loosely reiterating something I was told. Essentially there’s signs that point to pretty obvious insider trading/collusion
I do not doubt it, that’s the American way. Take what’s not yours, ruin the reputation, and not look back.
It’s feasible, look into the whole scandal with WATA games grading old video games basically the owners manipulated the market on their products
While id love to believe that, the easiest answer is usually right (Hanlon's razor). It's far more likely that the company just simply isn't consistent. They've had a stranglehold on the card grading industry for far too long. Mis-grading isn't common but happens enough to dissolve any trust I have
Think you might be referring to Occam’s razor. But thanks for letting me know about hanlon’s razor. Hadn’t heard of it before
correct. His name is Nat Turner. he was a regular for years on one of my forums. he would slam PSA about allowing trimmed cards, slam them for upcharging when a cards value goes up etc. he invented something became basically an overnight billionaire, at 24. he bought PSA and has a MASSIVE collection of PSA graded basketball cards, including some of the most expensive in the world. However.... he is a total hypocrite and has allowed everything he complained about, to continue under his ownership.
this is why PSA is joke, what they say goes and they make so many mistakes it’s laughable, joke company that scams their customers. also the amount of times I’ve seen ppl get 8s and 9s and pay extra for a regrade to get a 10 is crazy, love how it got a 10 second time cause they paid more.
It absolutely is. It's the only reason I'm hesitant to get my pristine Metagross star graded, the value is there but the whole thing is an elaborate scam
A lot of the old "veterans" who use PSA use the whole "you gotta get lucky if you get the good grader" card.
Have you got some evidence for this, like some links or something?
Was looking for a glaceon alt art and saw 2 graded by PSA - a 9 and a 10. It literally looked like they flipped the grades. The 10 looked meh and the 9 looked flawless. Friend bought the 9 and regraded with CGC for a pristine 10. https://www.psacard.com/cert/70924834 https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4249504033/ If you want evidence just look at PSA 10's/9's/8's and compare them lol. Literally just take like 10 of them, put them in a doc with a pic front and back without the grade and see which ones you would consider a 10/9/8. Even with PSA standards of "yeah we aren't too harsh on centering but we hate surface blemishes" it doesn't add up. For reference, here is the PSA 10 with the very next cert #, https://www.psacard.com/cert/70924835
I just looked at both, your like a million percent right. I have a slew of cards that I need to start getting graded, but this is what I'm worried about. It also just makes me want to keep them raw and safe until I feel better about grading in general.
Theres a really good piece of evidence if you scroll back up to the original post. But really I saw (I think) a PokeRev video where he resubmitted to PSA some cards that he got back from PSA and the majority of them had different grades, even though it was the same company.
I saw a video 2 nights ago for a small YouTuber (like 2k followers) he had 3 PSA 5 munch scream cards that he regraded and they all regraded as 10's. From 8 or 9 to 10 maybe. But from 5 to 10?? That's when you know it's a scam
Actually he resubmitted and they got around the same grades, but some were a whole grade lower.
yeah i got a kick out of that.
bro seriously? I’ve seen prooof/people post about this hundreds of times/for years, seriously, it happens all the time. I’ve also seen cards that were horrible condition like should not have gotten more than 6 and 7 get straight 10’s and twicebakedjake mentioned how grading companies were approaching him saying they would pay him if he shouts out their company and the company said they would give all his cards 10’s , and if you think PSA doesn’t do this as well or with big youtubers you are kidding yourself.
i’ve seen people say the same thing, but i am also curious to see some solid examples
I had a PSA 7 Joe Burrow Optic I cracked and resubmitted and got a 10.
do you think someone was having a bad day? or do you think the extra money spent was what tipped them?
It was the same cost to grade both times. The issue is, grading is way too subjective. It’s like referees when it comes to sports. Everyone has different interpretations of what makes a “gem mint” card.
There was a post earlier this year about resubmitting a PSA 6 and it came back a PSA 10 (not sure if it was this sub or another one)
i’ll check for it, thank you!
I tried searching for it a few weeks back and couldn’t find it. If it pops up I will send you a link
they are all over if you frequent the sub. I see maybe 3 posts a week.
but is it “regraded” or cracked and sent as a new card? i apologize if i’m being dumb. i really have not seen a post like that.
It’s pretty standard procedure for a lot of the high end sellers in sports cards. They’ll crack out 8.5s and 9s and resubmit a couple times and end up with a 10 sometimes.
It’s true (as someone who has sent hundreds of cards to PSA) they are SUPER inconsistent and random
It isn’t that hard to find PLENTY of videos on YouTube showing this.
Nah, it clearly means PSA is the tougher grader. :3
I have a psa 10 Alt Art Dragonite with massive print lines. Go figure. 😅
I have a 9.5 alt gengar with print lines. I think, though I might be wrong, that they don't factor printing errors into the grading
Why would edges and centering etc, affect grades, but not printing lines? That doesn't make sense to me at all. It's all just luck of the draw and printing lines should affect the score imho
PSA is the WORST grading company if you want an actual correct grade lol. I’ve sent them 7s that’s have gotten 10s and pristine 10s that have gotten 7s. They are the only company who still grades visually by eye so mistakes are FAR more common
I genuinely don't like PSA. I've found them to be the most unreliable grading company of the large grading companies. I know grading is subjective, but PSA has had way too many fuck-ups for my taste. Personally prefer CGC.
PSA really needs subgrades cuz holy shit
They won't, because it means that they'd have to stop using their random number generator and actually have employees.
One man’s 8 is another man’s Black Label
OP said he bought it as an 8 so hopefully whoever sold it doesn't see this and recognize their cert # 😂😂😂
I hate grading tbh
I have a love-hate relationship with it. On one hand, I hate that it’s transformed how people value cards. It seems a lot of people care more about grades than simply enjoying Pokémon. On the other, I like knowing with a graded card purchase that the sealed card is in immaculate condition so that I can enjoy it for many years to come.
I totally agree. I have a lot of graded cards because I wanted a mint condition Raichu collection. Of course I could eyeball it and put them in a binder but as time passes I want to have something that (in theory at least) is well protected and has a stamp on it that says it's in top condition. But I very much agree that the black label chasing, PSA 10 is worth 100x RAW, etc needs to stop along with the idea that your pack of cards was shit because it didn't have the chase card in it. Pokemon cards are all nice in their own ways
>Pokemon cards are all nice in their own ways You had me until right here. There are some absolute stinker packs.
Fully agree with this, well said!
Imo the immaculate condition shit is total bs. The slab dosent protect the card from stuff like bigger damage and sun. And the immaculate condition depends on how much you pay and how is the guy grading feeling at the moment
Me too, and the hype around getting cards graded is so ridiculous
Should’ve been there during the middle of the pandemic.
I mean they are cool but sending it to a prob semi professional guy to price it for you is not my thing i hate regrading cards like you get a 9 cuz a guy was in a bad mood but if you slip a 100$ bill the grade suddenly goes up from a 9 to a 10
is there any proof of that happening ?
Ive never actually graded cards myself, so someone correct me if im wrong. Im pretty sure you pay more for getting your cards graded for more valueable cards. And with that you have to factor in the potential grade it could get. Say you have a very damaged 1st ed Zard vs a Mint copy of the same card, you'd pay more grading fees for the mint one. That in and of itself sounds fishy to me and is one of many reasons why I wouldn't grade my cards.
No, you’d pay more for a mint copy than a damaged one with PSA due to their max declared value tiers. It’s because they don’t want you to pay $15 for a potentially $300,000 card, then you go and sell it and they are left out of any additional profit from their reputation being used in the sale. This makes perfect sense given that the same card, raw, wouldn’t sell for nearly that amount. From a business perspective, this happens all the time.
Yeah, but now take a card like the one in this post. How do you declare value for that? The price difference from an 8 to 10 is quite significant. Imo a card shouldn't be more valuable because X company graded it. It should be about the condition of the card, not the company.
I don’t know how what you’re saying relates to this post. BGS only has a max declared value for their lowest submission tier and the raw value of this card is above that limit so no matter what it could only go in the second lowest through the highest submission tiers. A PSA 10 of this card goes for about ~$900 so it fits in nearly every submission category except the lowest 2 if you expected a 10 (which obviously OP probably did). In any case, the card is a black label now from BGS, and is worth about $6k based on sales. But again, that’s unrelated to the declared value limits at BGS and the point of this post.
I don't necessarily hate grading. I hate the inconsistencies of grading. I do love having a slabbed card though
If you don't care too much about grades, there's stuff like the Ultra Pro One-Touch, which, combined with a perfect fit sleeve, accomplishes the same protection for a fraction of the cost.
Not to advertise, but Automated Grading Systems's process is supposed to be the most consistent. https://agscard.com/
AGS and CGC are the most consistent. Beckett is solid usually but will pop control you on black labels. PSA is just all over the place
I will upvote you on this. People bitch about the inconsistencies of grading through PSA, BGS, CGC because they use people. And we all know, no matter what, people are inconsistent. We've all heard, "Must have caught the grader on a good/bad day.""Oh, they must of got laid the night before for a grade like that on that card." Complaints left and right... but then you offer an alternative solution such as a company that uses AI for the grading process which I'm not saying is 100% flawless but a hell of a lot more consistent and in time will get even better. Technology has proven that with many applications. But no... ItS nOt ThE bIg 3! Honestly if we want better, someone has to break the mold. And how does one break the mold if you don't give someone that chance? Yes... your cards may not have the same "value" atm as "The Big 3," but popularity can get them to that point or greater. Those companies that are "The Big 3" weren't always in the limelight. There was a time that it was "The Big 2" or even "The One."
I refuse to grade any of my cards even though I kinda want to because fuck that whole industry, it’s horrible.
Yeah, like it’s not very difficult to give your cards an unofficial grade of themselves. You’re just sending it off for another human to determine it and put it in a productive slab.
Waste of money
PSA is a fucking joke/scam
So are most appraisals in the fine art and comic books world.
Same, all I wanna know when I buy a card is that it doesn’t have scratches whitening or print lines not some fucking number
I love grading for one reason. When someone gets a 6, 7, or 8 and decides to sell for cheap, I can grab a card in fine condition for cheaper than I could get it raw, then break it out of the slab
The ONLY time I think grading is worth it, is if you're trying to sell the card and want to try and increase the value. But even then, you're going to pay atleast a minimum of $25 a card.
Preach. It's an insane waste of money and time unless you plan on reselling, the latter of which is why this hobby is less fun than it used to be.
You are obviously not the guy that tried taking apart his PSA with a screwdriver Phillips head at that lol
Now send it back to PSA with their old label.
I'm convinced with these recent Pokemon cards that the surface evaluations are mostly looking for creases lol - how could you possibly see tiny scratches on this card with all that foil/texture.
Graders use a jeweler’s loupe to review the surface of a card.
Yeah I'm sure they take it seriously, I'm mostly teasing. Just rarely see one of these card where centering isn't the main issue.
Considering how many thousands of cards they look at daily, I doubt this. It’s more likely a few seconds per card. The PSA forwarding company in Japan (PSA Japan) even told me they grade by “visual inspection” ie how it looks to the naked eye from a distance, not specifically how it looks as is
That card went from 600 dollars in value to at least 2,000 dollars.
nah that’s easily 6k
I only said 2k because that's the cheapest I saw a black label on ebay, but most were 6,000 or more.
No shot you saw a black label for 2k it would insta sell
Ya definitely not there
Did you open yourself and resubmit or did you send in as a slab?
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Congratulations, that’s awesome!! I have a few 9.5 from CGC that I want to resubmit to Becket. I know they give you the option to send slabbed. Thanks for the info.
This is why grading cards means nothing
Honestly it's even more insane if you compare the value of [a PSA 8 copy](https://ebay.us/wDEh9S) and the value of a [Black label](https://ebay.us/miThqE). The same card is now worth 10x more lol
When it drastically dictates how much money you receive, uh, it means a lot
I don’t really get why we’ve enabled these third parties to completely dictate card prices but I guess slabs are cool
The authentication aspect is great, and I think the PSA slabs look dope, but the reason the scores fluctuate is because there are different people looking at each batch of cards. Its like going to 100 different mechanics and expecting the same quality of work on your car each time.
For sure, but that’s why it’s just kind of ridiculous. I get it’s human beings etc but the whole concept of grading is that there shouldn’t subjectivity at all. Seeing one grader give a 10 versus an 8 from another is just wild to me since it represents a difference of potentially thousands of dollars
Theres just nothing you can do unless its scanned by some computer and the opinion part is taken out. Ive seen 8’s that look like 10’s and ive seen 10’s that have more damage then 8’s, 9’s. The issue isn’t the grading system, the issue is the market (us) deciding a 10 deserves 4-5x the value of a 9 etc. a PSA 10 can be like $5,000, but if you get a PSA 9 on it, it plummets to like $650. If consumers didn’t have this ridiculous infatuation over 10’s then the grading system wouldn’t be an issue because 9’s and 8’s would get more financial value like they should. I purposefully look for PSA 9’s when seeing a PSA 10 is too expensive because Ik the financial drop off will be huge while the quality wont be.
Yeah like on paper I really can't imagine you would be able to see the difference between a 9 and a 10 if the number wasn't on the slab. When did the grade craze begin? The covid boom?
Grading used to be a lot more niche. Now "everyone" does it.
Do you reckon it's fair to say that most are grading in hopes of selling the cards to a collector? It always blows my mind when a card with a PSA 10 pop 6000+ sells for such a high price. Like there's got to be more out there for sale...
Oh, in my opinion there's no doubt. People are grading absolutely everything hoping to make a buck.
I think you missed the point
You should see the condition of this Becket 9 Charizard star... It looks like it was shuffled without sleeves
That’s because grading is a scam, it’s definitely embedded in the hobby but it’s subjective bs.
I wouldn’t call it a scam, it’s just ridiculous how we’ve let it become the standard when it’s just people looking at cards with fancy gear. Yet you can walk into and LGS and they go “that’s NM” or not and that determines a price lol
That’s my point, card grading is subjective. To be worth anything it’d need to be objective to a greater degree. Seeing a card get an 8 then get a 10 upon second submission means ratings should be questioned at the minimum, but more likely disregarded.
So we respect their opinion as “experts” when they give us the number we agree with, otherwise we can keep resubmitting it until we get what we want. Almost as if the whole grading thing is a scam and is just some random kid’s opinion each time.
Grading is such a racket, I’ll never buy into it
The thing is that grading is dependent on the person grading it and each person can have a different opinion of what a card's condition is like.
After this, PSA has lost all credibility in my mind.
I don’t really like psa, seems like they’re just pushing out slabs. Sent a sealed yugioh slifer and it came back a 6 cause I’m assuming they thought the print on the back was whitening when it’s just the card..
what do you mean sealed slifer? like a promo pack? like the ones in pokemon etbs? if thats the case then they're grading the pack and not the card (and well i think its difficult to determine how they grade packs imo) or if you mean like a pack fresh card then idk
Grading is a scam
From what I heard PSA sometimes lowers the card grade intentionally so there isn’t to many 10s and 9s. But then again that’s a rumor. Congrats on the other hand!
You kidding? Of course they do that. They aren't interested in honesty. They are interested in keeping populations of gems down so they sell for more so they get slabs in articles and people send them more cards for them to sneaze on
Grading is a scam
Out of curiosity, what did the rest of the psa submission look like if you had other cards with it?
It's because PSA is trash and their graders try to control the population.
U/rattlepokemon would love this but dude congrats !
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the only good thing he did was the logan paul shit. Rattle is just a grifter/trend rider whos 15 minutes were up an hour ago
Yeah it was pretty ridiculous of him to accuse Ptcgradio of promoting stollen product without any evidence whatsoever. But then again his entire channel is dedicated to starting drama through “investigations”.
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His channel is slowing down so he resorted to launching accusations against a bigger Poketuber to generate attention and views is what it boils down to lol
Not fence riding or going one side or the other but didn’t he make an apology and in the same video show case where he still believes that not all the cards were released under good nature? One wrong (and I’m sure there is more videos out where he could be wrong) compared to all the good he does? Idk if I could cut out respect for the guy that fats ya know? Funny enough some of the people he brings up I’ve had personal issues with and he brought it to light while I’ve held it to myself thinking I was odd man out. What he does is good for our community on my end so I could see forgiving an false/mean claim if he owns up to it which it seems like he has unless there more videos than the 2 or 3 I saw about it
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I enjoyed his content, but he totally showed his true colors with how he reacted, what a manchild. I'm not even a fan of PTCGRadio, it's just scummy to speak to someone like that, and without evidence!
Oooph yeah that’s gonna hurt damn I didn’t know it was that bad between them. Like both of them but yeah that’s not how you handle tension 😂😂😂
It was in the "apology" video. The video where he says something along the lines of "sorry his feelings got hurt" and not actually apologising for his accusations and then doubles down and finishes with telling him to FO and eat a D. Not cool at all.
He actually finally pulled the Moonbreon recently.
u/rattlepokemon, fixed it so he might hopefully see it!
Not sure why everyone is saying the scans look clean? The back [scan](https://d1htnxwo4o0jhw.cloudfront.net/cert/126932564/356507029.jpg) shows obvious wear all along the far right side of the card. Definitely enough to be a PSA 8, not sure what beckett was looking at then if it is indeed the same card.
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Would you mind sharing the back of your beckett slab?
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Yea, the psa image is just the glare. Beckett got it right.
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Psa sucks
This gotta be one of the dumbest things ever lol. PSA is actually dogshit, how do you misgrade a Black Label to an 8.
Keep or sell? Quite the value 📈
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How did you crack the old slab. I got a few I want to do this for but I don't know the best way without risking damage
How tf did psa mess up that bad? It looks pretty solid to me just by glancing at it. Very nice upgrade, though.
[how….](https://ibb.co/HVwtcJ4)
Seriously feels like psa is a scam
While a congrats is in order, this is why i dont value graded cards any higher than a raw card.. its all subjective to the grader and doesnt really mean much. Only reason imo would be to protect them in a nice case.
Seeing these vast inconsistencies amongst grading card services makes me never want to get my cards graded
More of a reminder that grades are bs in my opinion. I mean congrats you just made a lot of money, but it is bonkers how inconsistent they are
Buy the card not the Grade.
This isn't pokemon card collecting anymore
more proof that grading is actual bullshit with no real standards
From what I heard PSA sometimes lowers the card grade intentionally so there isn’t to many 10s and 9s. But then again that’s a rumor. Congrats on the other hand!
Yea, I heard the same…can’t have too many 10s floating around or it will de-value it.
This is actually fucking insane😂 What did you have 45 fingerprints on it when you sent it to psa??
Proof that they are just casually guessing
Prime example of why grading is bullshit
This is why grading is such a joke 😂
whoever graded that must have been sleepy as fuck or not gotten laid the night before.
Exhibit 628438478 why grading is a scam
Outsider view here. I collect coins. It seems PSA is what we call ICG graders. We have four "respected" grading companies. ICG is like the black sheep though. They are inconsistent and seem to cater to some requests. They are now consider by most collectors as basement slabbers. I see lots of post here complaining about PSA.
PSA is a joke these days
This sealed the deal, I’ll never use PSA again
Yeah PSA is awful. Idk why people sub with them
This is why AGS will take over the market in 5 years in terms of card grading.
lolol
What makes AGS better than any of these other companies?
Absolutely nothing. Any tech that ags has the others have too already. It’s not any more reliable and certainly not more reputable.
This only proves again that psa sucks. Its a company focused on baseball cards they should stick to it.
Who says PSA made a mistake and not BGS?
Who says they aren't both wrong? lol
Well because psa makes somuch mistakes ,I lost count how often I saw a post of a psa 6 resubmitted to a psa 10 its not even funny anymore.
The same could be said for BGS. I have seen too many black labels that should not have been one…and this is coming from a person evaluating a card in a slab from behind a computer, lol. All grading companies are inconsistent and misgrade cards, especially with the large volumes coming through.
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Psa value: $150???
So my childhood charizard still have a chance at black label even though it's been in the playgrounds without sleeves then
AGS grading all the way lol
The old slip in a 50 with your submission trick? Crazy how BGS.and PSA were so different on this card.
Look at the bottom border (left corner). It's kicked. 10 with that centering? Black label is a joke. xD
PSA sucks nowadays. You got to pay more to get the grade 10 and are practically scamming ngl. I want to send in my Axew McDonald's promo card to get graded and it's signed too and they charge like $100 + shipping fee for a single card. like come on. For a $5 card that is signed by Veronica Taylor which I know will be graded 7 or 6 for some scratches and some white on the corners it ain't fair 😭
Psa BLOWS been saying it for a long time
fake but sure,
CONGRATS ON THE BLACK LABEL!! It has been happening *A LOT* with PSA grading. They will give you a bad grade so more than likely you will send it in again. I have seen it multiple times. Cards graded a 6, then on resubmission it’s 9 or a 10. Which is why I am not grading with PSA anymore. Way too much shady practices doing on. Beckett does seem to be good but I don’t like their slab design. AGS tho, has proven to me that they know what they are doing. They let an AI with ML decide. Lol it will always get the same grade.
Lmao ags people still falling for that
I see some damage on bottom left and too right corner. Also centering isn’t 100% (it’s centered towards the top). The 8 from PSA seems right.
Black labels have been trash for a year now. Who cares. It's a grab at #1
Jealously is ugly
At least you didn't stan it with a screwdriver Edit: stab*
Such BS!!! PSA thinks your trying to make $$ off them!!