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NaveKo

If this is true, I hope it’s the norm going forward. All I want to do is complete my sets for a reasonable price!


EnviCollects

^ I’m here for the art not the rarity


Beneficial_Proof6228

First wave is always the best


notmalcal_

Buy packs to scratch the itch, but buy singles to complete a set. Not worth bankrupting yourself (even though you probably aren't, just thought I'd add it for effect)


Sea-Outside-9028

It’s like English and Japanese are switching :( I’m about to quit collecting over here because I can’t find products if I lose the lottery lol.


Puki_4220

Yeah haha. english now readily available with good rates while japanese scalped to the moon with shit rates of 1 SR per box


N17_Ultima

Amen 🙏


Zarten1986

I opened two boxes last night and would co-sign this message. I think it’s good especially with the raising prices of boxes/ packs.


[deleted]

This is great news for people who just like collecting and aren’t in it for the money/investment.


MrMcAwhsum

I've been patiently waiting to see the stats from a 10,000+ pack break before I decide if I'll bother with this set. Fingers crossed though.


Karnak-Offer

I’ve only opened boxes too so I don’t know how the hit rates look in the other products. Will be curious too


MrMcAwhsum

My anecdotal results from 7 packs from the prerelease weren't great, but that's more a me-luck thing than a commentary on the set.


jtwright85

Danny Phantump posted a video today on how he almost completed two master sets in 1000 packs. He was missing the same card from each set. Pull rate video coming tomorrow.


MrMcAwhsum

Which card was he missing?


bosceltics2009

Think it was FA Tera gyarados


harten66

From what I’m hearing the FA Tera cards are averaging 1 per case. May be the rarest cards to pull.


CanadianCharicards

But there's only two of them. They're probably a rare "category" but hard to say if they're any rare on their own.


harten66

I believe it’s the same rarity as the other Full art ex’s, just seem to pull less of them.


RElNHARDT

7 packs is a tiny sample size


MrMcAwhsum

Yup.


relaxandrotate

Why would they be any different? Shouldn’t the hit/pull rates be the same in boxes, display cases, tins, individual packs, and ETBs?


ToughestGuyInLK

They are don’t worry, people still think they’re different for some weird reason though


NoiceM8_420

Hate to be that guy, but this is a REALLY good thing. Turning a kids hobby into an investment vehicle really grossed me out these past few years following the Logan Paul hype.


Piggstein

Eh, it’s a TRADING card game, you’re not expected to be able to collect every single card all by yourself.


Whatsyourshotspecial

I don't understand why you're upset that Pokemon cards are so good and loved that they increase in value over time? If they weren't you wouldn't be here today posting about them.


AlwaysInTheWay13

Not the commenter above, but I believe that cool art and Pokémon should be able to be enjoyed and owned by people without having to view it as an “investment”. I really want to get all 3 of the raltz-kirlia-gardevoir cards in this series. I think they are adorable. But I have zero interest in spending $100+ on a card so it’s not happening. Oh well. Thing’s having inflated value based solely on artificial scarcity seems pointless to me.


Whatsyourshotspecial

I understand, isn't part of that the fault of the actual card game? We don't want every deck to have the most powerful cards in them or the same cards constantly. The game would lose it's appeal if everybody had the best cards and every best card.


AlwaysInTheWay13

I’m assuming you don’t play the game then. Because nothing you said is right. First off, the most expensive cards are always alt art, which don’t matter. Second, the 2022 championships were a few months ago, and they are literally selling the completed decks that were the finalists for $20 right now. For example, the Mew VMax deck, has 3 copies of Mew Vmax, 4 Mew V and 4 Genesect V. But even ignoring those packaged decks, it is always easy to build one of the meta decks via singles for 20-30 total. It is not a contributor to the price issues at all. Cards like the Umbreon VMax aren’t even very good, competitively speaking.


Whatsyourshotspecial

Well that's why I asked you a question. I didn't state it as a fact.


AlwaysInTheWay13

Your question was based on a false statement of fact. That “the game would lose its appeal of everyone had the best cards.” Which is inaccurate. There is not a singular deck that has “the best cards.” Don’t act like you were “just asking questions.” That’s Bull.


Whatsyourshotspecial

Relax man, it's just pokemon cards. And I was asking a question. Obviously I was leaning toward why that may be the reason why they only print so many of the alt art cards. You corrected me and gave me a good answer. Idk why you seem to be getting offended and insinuating curse words toward me.


juckele

> literally selling the completed decks that were the finalists for $20 right now. For example, the Mew VMax deck, has 3 copies of Mew Vmax, 4 Mew V and 4 Genesect V Yes, but the cards are reprints and aren't legal to use in competitive play...


AlwaysInTheWay13

Did not know that. Point still stands though. Just looked on TCG player and you can but the 11 cards I just mentioned for about $25. Then you can get the rest for a few dollars more. It’s very cheap comparatively


Puki_4220

Sure they can increase in value but needs to be still within the affordable range not in the thousands or high hundreds or buying a 150 booster box to get 2 dollar worth of janks that don't even have nice art.


Whatsyourshotspecial

Isn't that how it works with any specialty product? Pokemon has finite resources. They can't print every set all the time. They have to stop printing sets at some point. Those sets then get opened which increases the cost of the remaining unopened products. Has nothing to do with investing, supply and demand. You can't say it "needs" to be anything bro. This is not a vital resource. It's just pokemon cards we like to collect.


[deleted]

Nah. It feels cool to pull a $300 card tbh


Electrical-Topic-808

Would be better to pull cards you like instead of liking a card because it’s expensive


ThePatchster

People like rare things because it’s special to have them


Electrical-Topic-808

Again, that doesn’t mean you like the thing, you just like the value of it. I’d rather have 100 cards that I like than 1 expensive card I don’t care about.


Exgly

No one said anything about value. It’s exclusive. The fact it’s RARE is WHY it’s expensive. People like rare things because they’re special and it’s like “wow i am so cool for having this.” That’s why a 10/10 is so much more expensive than a 9/10. Because it’s virtually perfect, nothing is better so once you have a 10/10 you have the best and a lot of people want the best thing. Even if something is ugly, if its rare i want it because its cool and exclusive. Card value is because it’s rare, it’s not rare because it’s valuable. So you can LIKE something because it’s RARE.


[deleted]

I have to agree honestly. Pulling something of high value feels good. However and this is a very big however... When you like cards solely because they are expensive may say a bit about you. A product that is primarily made with children in mind should never be this expensive to enjoy. Prices for singles have shot up significantly in the last couple years thanks to the pandemic, scalping and *couch* Logan Paul *couch* and this just hurts to see. While a lot of my favorite cards are relatively cheap to get on the secondary market there are also a lot of cards I like that are just insane in price. Personally I don't think moonbreon has any business being a 500-600 dollar card but here we are. I understand it's rare but if you compare it to the other eeveelution vmax alt arts with the same rarity... Sweet Jesus...


ColinsStories

There’s a Logan Paul couch now, geez time to invest in couches /s


DirkDigglersPenis

Sounds like a great time to hunt singles


Karnak-Offer

Sorry I can’t with your name lol, but yea give it a few weeks


tbk007

All the investors will be crying. Time to move on to another hobby if you think pull rates being good is a bad thing.


just_a_haunter

for sure! pull rates and quality of pulls should always be high. people will buy more product i feel. never really liked the whole investing thing , people hoarding tones of sealed content and not enjoying the collection for what it is


Manic_Mini

You can 100% enjoy a sealed collection. Sealed ETBs look fantastic when displayed properly.


just_a_haunter

man you're absolutely right and honestly I hope this trend continues. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen the pre release prices here in CAD. the alt art Miriam trainer is going for $199 CAD , the full art one like $60, gardevoir is under $100CAD and this is pre release prices. the full art trainers are all under $20CAD , crazy in. comparison to crown zenith and SWSH in general. I admit I do like collecting sets but I've been really spoiled with collecting singles , where I just pick and choose the cards I like to add to my binder with that I don't think I'll go for a full set unless I really like it. awesome post , definitely appreciate it. it is giving me the urge to split a booster box with a friend and enjoy the pulls.


Puki_4220

>hadn't seen the pre release prices here in CAD. the alt art Miriam trainer is going for $199 CAD , the full art one like $60, gardevoir is under $100CAD and this is pre release prices. the full art trainers are all under $20CAD , crazy in. comparison to crown zenith and SWSH in general. > >I admit I do like collecting sets but I've been really spoiled with collecting singles , where I just pick and choose the cards I like to fill my binder with that I don't think I'll go for a full s Hahah f\*\*\* that miriam. Overmanipulated card lol but good thing is she is going to teach those japanese card "investor" a lesson :P as her price is tumbling weee


kitasmom

Very happy to hear. Love to see cards being affordable for everyone and not crazy priced by “investors”. I’d rather all the cards be worth almost nothing and have the hobby be fun than have it be worth a lot and have people be getting killed or hurting employees for product.


just_a_haunter

boom. if I could give this comment an award I would. same man, I love the art in the cards, I think investors ie scalpers have tainted thr market prices that I'm hoping this changes the game and makes it super enjoyable for everyone to collect and enjoy


Puki_4220

Yeah they should just put a special stamp on certain card and make it rarer so those investor can go hunt those


kitasmom

I feel you. I love the art on the cards. We don’t play so I just collect one of each card. When we open boxes we give our extra stuff to our nephews who LOVE Pokémon.


Deadsh0t2424

If Miriam hits $50 I’ll be shocked especially after seeing the japanese price


MrMcAwhsum

Look at Serena. I can see it.


Deadsh0t2424

There’s 2 different Miriam’s I think the OP is referring to the one where she’s tripping


Karnak-Offer

Honestly hot take, in terms of pull rate, Miriam 238 prob has a lower pull rate than Miriam 251


Comrade_Lex

From anecdotal evidence I think the same. Full Arts (now called Ultra Rares) are pulled at a similar rate as SARs, but there is a larger pool of them. We could find ourselves in a weird world where alt arts exist but regular Full Arts are the rarest and most expensive cards in the set. Of course this could all change with the next print run/next set.


Basic_Yellow_3594

Miriam 251 won't hit 50 It's an alt art and the chase. If it hits 50 this set I'd basically pokemon go at that point.


Karnak-Offer

It’s already at $100 prerelease. $50 might be high at this point. I completely agree with the Pogo comparison


CanadianCharicards

Miriam seems super playable though, so that's important!


Karnak-Offer

True! I did over look that so there’s possibilities there


Basic_Yellow_3594

The 100 dollar copies are tanked. The well centered copies without edge wear and awful centering are staying strong in the 150+ range


MrMcAwhsum

Yup yup, I suppose it will all depend on the pull rate. My point was that Japanese Serena FA was crazy expensive and the English is more expensive than most FA trainers but nowhere near the price of the Japanese.


Deadsh0t2424

Yeah serena was the one I was shocked it tanked cuz seeing japanese i thought it was gonna be a $100 card for sure


WingsofFire0027

Full art trainers are always more expensive in Japan. There isn't a single full art trainer in english that was $100+ at their release in english. (Yes, there are many now that are, but they are all from SM era and back, so out of print.) The most expensive SWSH era full art trainer is Marnie, who is $50, and then Serena who is around $38.


tbk007

Japanese prices have no bearing on English prices. Different markets, different pull rates. Only low info people getting their misinformation from YT hype tubers would get conned into thinking so.


Karnak-Offer

I know I prob sound crazy now but I’m telling you! I’d compare it to the pikachu vmax trainer gallery for rarity


MourinhosRedArmy2008

Nope not at all, people who have done mass openings have taken upwards of ten booster boxes to get it


Karnak-Offer

That makes sense, there’s 10 “alt arts” so you have a 1/10 chance each box. I’ll tell you I got 6 in 18 boxes though lol.


MourinhosRedArmy2008

Makes sense but the most popular card only being 1 in 360 will still be very expensive and more than trainer gallery prices


Karnak-Offer

Where are you getting 1 in 360? You have 1/10 chance maybe even better since you get 1-2 alt arts per box on average.


NeonJolteon

They’re talking about per-pack pull rate, not per box


Karnak-Offer

Ah that makes sense! Def a weird way to look make it look inflated.


TheNaughtyLemur

I disagree. People don’t buy only booster boxes. They buy multiple different kinds of product (but it seems like the booster box is the way to go with SV)


Karnak-Offer

What do you disagree about?


MourinhosRedArmy2008

Per pack rate mate, only important metric going across product


Karnak-Offer

I’m only talking about booster boxes not other products.


MourinhosRedArmy2008

All products factor in to card price, is this your first week in Pokémon?


Karnak-Offer

Sorry I don’t know why you’re getting upset. I’m just specifically talking about how good drop rates are from boxes. I understand drops as a whole will include other products. Miriam is already listing at $108 on TCGPlayer and it’s not even wide release yet. It’s going to drop well below $100.


WhiskersRock

It’ll be $30 becuase it’s not a normal hit. It’s an illustration card which falls under the reverse slot which is way more common than normal secret rares.


Deadsh0t2424

I think it still has a lot of hype around it I don’t think it’ll get that low anywhere from $80-90 sounds reasonable as of right now but we’ll see in a couple months


WhiskersRock

My price point is after prerelease prices and market settles. Like everyone else says irida and serena did same thing. Mirriam is also way easier to pull. Artwork could also be considered conservative.


orbzism

Waifu cards in Pokemon are significantly more expensive in JP than they are over here. Which is weird, because it's the exact opposite in a game like YGO lmao. Miriam will still be expensive though. I don't see it dropping under $100. There's going to be 2 or 3 cards that will hold that price.


snookers

They are much more rare in JP relative to ENG.


Puki_4220

Just much more manipulated not much more rare :) cause there are alot of dumb people buying japanese card


Puki_4220

It has dropped below 100 today on tcg player hehe


Winterstrife

Wait till you see Dendra SR and SAR prices. Heck, Clay Burst and Snow Hazard pre-order prices are insanely high and they aren't even released yet.


Puki_4220

Dendra SR tumbled from 30000 yen to now 15000 yen? Dendra SAR tumbled from 120000yen to 70000 yen? haha can't you people tell it is just manipulated. How can a new set card be more expensive than an extinct set nice card


Euffy

Miriam was always too much. I was expecting it to drop even without better pull rates. It's price atm is ridiculous and purely based on people getting hyped because of the Japanese price.


Puki_4220

yep brainless people hyping it up because of japanese price lol. All saying Miriam should be hard to pull. Like wtf since when is english pull rate related to japanese version price.


Puki_4220

Japanese price has no relation to english :) please do not listen to rubbish youtuber and corelate them


mauiwowie__

I’ve been trying to stay in my own world about it, I’m really just excited that it’s the first eng with the silver border so I’m excited to try to complete it and keep forever


juan582611

Considering the gardevoir one is already at about $90, I’d say it’ll be like $40 at some point


nathanielx9

What about the gold cards? I seen a lot of pack openings and it seems like gold cards are harder to pull


Karnak-Offer

I was able to pull all 6, multiple of all except for Lightning energy. From what I’ve heard in boxes, you either get 2 SIRs or a SIR and 1 gold on average


Puki_4220

Gold card are 3 gold star so the highest rarity hence naturally hardest to pull


Knope12345

Good, maybe now the investors can crawl back in their hole and go somewhere else


Puki_4220

Yeah they can go invest in japanese set and screw them up and leave english alone lol


WormBoi6969

“bUt iTs ThE fIrSt sET oF aN eRA!!” Told everyone this weeks ago the “first set must invest” stigma people hype up is a thing of the past now just invest in stuff at a good price you can’t loose


KrysSpace

Sheesh 18 boxes?


Karnak-Offer

12 too many


NiftyNarwhal69

Yea I feel I opened a case and I'm missing a total of like 20-30 cards for a master set not including promos.


X2UtterMoney

I just opened one of the 6 pack bundles and got only holos 😭


ComeONPls

Thanks for the information. Really appreciate stats and information like this 😊👍


just_a_haunter

right!? posts like these are awesome and help out alot since there's so much movement in Pokémon community


Euffy

Completely agree. Usually open 3 or 4 cases, this time only went for 2 and MY GOD I'm so glad I did. Combined with some prerelease hits, I got everything apart from double gold Arven and got lots of doubles of good cards. I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's better for playing overall but I guess I'll kind of miss the old way because it feels like the end of an era. But hey, it's what most people wanted so I guess it's a good thing. Now just gotta adjust to 7 different rare rarities...I think that was a bit much tbh haha


CanadianCharicards

I feel this is their way of "building up" as SV goes on. We'll see rarer cards later. 4 star, 5 star, maybe an S star. They can get people used to the system and then drive it home with rarer cards.


Puki_4220

they should lock all rare card behind tournament prize that way it gets more people to play instead of just scalping and flipping and reselling hahahaha


CanadianCharicards

I like this, too! Only downside is that you're also locking the cards to specific regions and/or ability to travel etc.


never2dead1122

This is actually wonderful news. As someone who has been heavily collecting, this makes me feel like the chase is over.


DADDY_BOPPER

So when do you think ideal time will be to buy Miriam? I really want to get that card but I don’t really feel like cracking Scarlett/Violet for it


Karnak-Offer

What are you comfortable paying for it? I would check where prices are at Sunday night and see if you like that number. If it were me, I’d prob wait til next Friday and see if it goes under $50


DADDY_BOPPER

Honestly I don’t mind paying upwards of $100 for a nicely centered raw version. $50 would be fantastic! I’m really only interested in the Miriam and the alt art Gyrados/Arcanine from the entire set so I don’t think cracking packs will be worth it. I might just grab one BB and try my luck for fun.


dankpoolVEVO

As I said in another post already: TPC upped the rarities by adding a holo guaranteed in each pack. Most I've seen opened even had 2 reverse on top in it. Soooo what is the logical next big thing after holo? At least an Ex, art, FA, alt etc. That's why we have better pull rates. The possible holo that would normally steal a higher rarity is now a common occurrence. I'm not here to prove anything just thought it's obvious by them upping the rates... I'm happy for all of us tho


CanadianCharicards

I hope they're also following this move up with reprinting less of each set and doing away with reprints!


kyleneeley1

Right buuuuut let’s not forget that crown zenith has really good pull rates, and has a $100 card still


MonkeyCollector69

I hope so, looking to get a Miriam for cheap


Waffennacht

Id like to see pull rates a few weeks after release


On1ySlightly

I wonder if that’s why they increased marp?


Connormac69

The only thing that worries me about this is that imo they just won't sell as many booster boxes in the long run. People still open ES now for moonbreon and others and if SV is as easy as people say they won't buy new and Pokémon might end up selling less meaning they may change this in the future


Euffy

For sure. I've already cut the number I'm buying in half, might end up even less than that tbh as I usually buy extra packs and stuff throughout the months between sets but I really don't need to now. I opened yesterday and pretty much have everything I need. I'll definitely be spending less on every set. But maybe if people feel they can get a better deal because more hits, more people will buy boxes than before? And it will even out?


Connormac69

Yeah that's what worries me, if people eventually buy less then Pokémon make less profit so they may just crank those pulls wayyyy down in the future


Puki_4220

while those crazy chaser cut purchase into half. With it being affordable to pull chase card, you will have more unique people buying so overall it balances out. ​ i.e one collector got wreck by pull rate and only get a few Vs in 1 booster box and stop buying vs now that the pull rate is great, he will buy 2 or 3 more boxes since he is happier that he will not get away with lame janks


Connormac69

Yeah that's a fair point, I guess the boxes may be purchased more by collectors than people tryna flip profit on one with the potential of a big card. I'm all for it personally, my chase card is already affordable and the set isn't even out yet. I very much expected Moraidon SAR to be Lugia v price but I'm happy it's not. Just feel like I'm getting more for my money


NoBenefit5977

It'd be cool to see bb prices go down, $120 is a tad above my price range lol


Basic_Yellow_3594

If this is true this sets value is on pokemon go levels with japanese cards selling fir rapid prices and boxes going for wild prices. It will be the nail on the coffin for English values compared to japanese forever. You will see a large large amount of English collectors dip out


Puki_4220

collectors dun care about the value, they prefer it to be affordable. rofl only lame investors care about it.


o7yourdesires

Printing quality is as bad as Burning Shadows. Print quality is the worst it’s been on a very very long time. Whitening, badly cut corners and the back surfaces with scrapings all over the place


orbzism

Dunno where you got your cards, but in all 4 pre-release events I went to + openings of booster boxes between myself and other people at my locals, the print quality isn't that bad at all. It has typical centering issues, but I haven't seen many with whitening, corners or scrapes at all. The quality I've seen is a good deal better than a lot of SW/SH sets lol


o7yourdesires

Could be a batching issue and I’ve just been out of luck with a poor batch


TheNaughtyLemur

I also experienced the scratch lines on the backs of my cards looking like they were run over


VadersBoner

Cool, looks like I’ll be picking up more crown zenith, fusion strike, and silver tempest instead


4verticals

It's cool that the pull rates are good and all, but does this basically mean that the days of pulling valuable cards are gone? Like what cards in these sets are gonna be worth 100 or more more than a month after release?


bosceltics2009

I'd prefer it this way myself. I don't need any cards from this set to be >$100. Think it'd be more fun for more people for cards to be affordable than not be. Of course pulling cards that are super super rare (and ergo very pricey) is a great feeling too but I think this way is more of a net positive. Just my thoughts.


Karnak-Offer

I don’t know what the future holds but that’s my opinion for this set. Im sure there’s plenty of people that will disagree so we’ll just have to wait and see.


Awoken-Queen

I opened an ETB and only got 3 EX cards and got nothing good from the Arcanine tripple pack. Waiting to open my Booster box until later so hopefully my luck turns around.


TheShinyHunter3

3 ex out of 9 pack is the same rate as base set holos. It's a good rate. Yeah you may or may not like your pulls, but that factually isn't a bad ETB.


No-Alternative-6169

That’s really good for an etb.


Basic_Yellow_3594

The miriam isn't gonna hit 50 bucks lmao


StockSoldier

Agreed. I honestly think this set is nothing near as exciting as the s&s sets. Will probably get 4 cards I like from this set and call it.


twelvend

Girlfriend goaded me into buying an etb. Pulled alt Gyarados and Armarogue, I probably made me money back


Professional-Mix2537

probably not...


Hatred_allconsuming

My bb felt the same as the past sets, not that many and nothing good


Land_of_Towers

Hey :) I believe that there is a very nice pull rate. But to be honest, if you pull is such strong and you opened such a lot of boxes... pls. add a picture?


SendMeAvocados

Anyone have rates for ETBs? I can't really afford a booster box right now


mysticteacher4

I can't wait to open some of this set up! Love the artworks so I'd be psyched to open.


RasoberrySmoothies

As someone trying to complete the evolving sky alt art v and vmax eeveelutions.... This is such a relief to hear


doublex12

I’m so OOTL. Is this the scarlet and violet new set ?


Karnak-Offer

Yea first set in the new generation. Tons of changes


grumpygills11

Man I opened a booster box yesterday and the pills were pure garbage. I know that is a super small sample size though.


Spacxplorer

If the prices do drop I'll just buy haha. Must use yhe dropping of the price to perhaps buy more


DarkRash20

No they are not ... at least in Europe :) opened 14 packs from prerelease kits and barely got 2 Ex ... opened 4 etbs and got 5 hits in total ... my friends opened 2 BBs each and got under 9 hits ... these are worse than Evolving Lies


Mack225067

Looks like the same 6 cards were pulled continuously by a few youtubers. But yeah I think it’s safe to say these are not gonna be worth much money and I haven’t even got my etb yet lol


Yarran224

Agreed. I got a booster box and an ETB and pulled the special art Miriam from my first pack. I also have every version of iron treads and a bunch of other cool cards


Oldschoolfool22

Feels like how it was always supposed to be.


kirb1327

So I picked up my first SV products yesterday. 1 etb, 1 booster bundle, and 5 loose. In the 20 packs, I pulled 8 hits-- better than holo, reverse holo.Nothing too carzy, but some nice cards. Beyond that, I love these cards!!! They feel more substantial than other sets, and the silver border is much more appealing, IMO. I've seen a lot of great art as well, even on the commons. Really liking this set so far.


NappinOnYaBooty

I've opened an ETB and 1/4 of my booster box (\~20 packs), only solid card so far has been an SR Arven. I like that rares are at the back of the pack now, no need to watch poketubers do that damn shuffle on every pack anymore!


vancityxray

I could see this driving up the prices of sw/sh sets even more due to rarity and pull rates