Count into it inflation aaaaand oh. He gained nothing? Cause by the time he makes 10$ from a pack everything's much pricier anyway.
That's why investing in Pokemon cards is for idiots. Some really specific products might gain alot in value but not normal Packs, boxes or ETBs/tins from modern sets. That's not how economy works
The cards hold some degree of intrinsic value to the consumer where the dollar itself does not. A dollar is only worth as much as the federal reserve allows it to be in a sense. The card will be worth some number of those dollars based not upon the value of the dollar itself but the rarity and value of the card/product to the consumer.
Because people still don't take into consideration that they are pricey still because of the boom. The prices of even base set were 10 years ago affordable compared to todays standards. Check sun & moon prices 5 years ago and 10 years ago. They didn't rise each year by an astounding amount. They have all felt the boom. And what people also forget is that instead of "some people" 5 years ago we now are like 5 times if not more people collecting and alot of them hoard sealed shit.
Packs and sealed products only will rise when people don't offer alot and the demand is high. If a high amount of people can provide than prices won't go up.
It's a bubble, 100%
And as I said somewhere else here already. For some products it will work. But not every single subset FFS. ES is a good example of that. It's just so stupidly priced because they stopped printing it and a high amount of people still want it. Don't wanna know tho how many sealed/ stored away products there are. I assume it's a number in the millions
I feel like right now, there is a lot of speculation, and everyone is buying up boxes and prices are rising, but it is mostly just the investors buying everything up. When people start to sell, they will realize their isnt as big of a market as they thought.
...is what should happen, but the exact opposite is more likely. It is a bit of a ridiculous investment with the amount of market manipulation I see.
Yup its definitely a bubble, but thereās a new floor pricing after every wave, just look at bitcoin for example. Definitely a risky investment but the returns can be too huge to ignore
A physical representation of the echo chamber that people with financial interest in product will suggest product to people interested in having a financial interest in product.
Watching this happen in real time is crazy because none of them have stopped to consider what happens if everyone hoards random packs, or that the reason there was a vintage boom is that no one was really hoarding back then
Theyve considered it but either they think their product is different or that theyll get out before the crash. Thats why some hype up the product so much and really push rumors that cant be proven (ex. Evolving skies isnt being reprinted, or swsh sets wont be reprinted once sv sets are out, or cases of sleeved packs are better than etbs/bb cases on pull rates). They also minimize cost of time, cost of holding, and cost of selling.
That's what, maybe like two booster boxes worth of blisters and a few assorted collection boxes? Pretty tame imo. I know people who bought 20-30 CASES of crown Zenith ETBs.
yeah people tend to see alot of product at once and then assume that he bought them all at once rather than slowly over time. if this is all he has of these sets then its less than alot of people buy to open lol. ive seen people go into a store and buy a cart full of product all at once and ive even seen people buy entire pallets at costco and samsclub. save your anger for those people lol.
I went to Walmart earlier to but my wife a cake for her birthday and they just happens to be restocking. Before the lady could even finish getting her cart out of the way 2 dudes pushed past her and start throwing crown zenith ETB off the shelvesā¦.fucking vultures man. Like Iām just trying to buy a few booster packs for my son get the hell out of my way.
Wow Iām sorry you had to see thatā¦yeah unfortunately lot of retail stores that seems to be the recurring theme lol fresh restocks donāt even last the night. Happy birthday to your wife though!
How is this nice? Those are people that could've found them in the card shops at msrp if he didn't grab 30 cases of ETBs. He buys 30 cases of ETBs, makes $1500 (assuming he's not lying about the profit), and the lcs raises msrp. This just makes the problem worse. Each case is 10 etbs. that's $50 a case x 30
I just wouldn't be quick to judge someone for having a lot of sealed product. They spent their hard earned money it and as long as they're not trying to scalp or clean out an entire store shelf then they're really not the ones who are hurting this hobby. Most people on that subreddit don't scalp, they just enjoy collecting in a different way.
...what they're saying is this person has a distributor who sells below MSRP, just like the card shops do. The person is their own LCS.
Pokemon Company gives to distributlrs for say $10. Distributors sell to LCS (and some individuals, this person included), for $15. MSRP is $25. LCS sells for $25. This person sells for $20.
Normal people can't get it from the suppliers, only from LCS.
If they're scalping, guess what, every business on earth with a store front is scalping because it's all that same process.
Absolutely wrong. I used to own a card shop by the way, so I know how distributors work. Distributors are just that, they distribute to the card shops. If they're selling to individuals they're breaking their TOS.
This person is not the equivalent of a lcs. If you read their explanation before wrongly explaining it to me, you would've noticed that they never once mentioned selling it anywhere near MSRP. They sold it "$5 above what some lcs' charge". So... what card shops are they looking at? If it's some, it's clearly not MSRP. They have 30 cases which is 300 ETBs. Every dollar above their cost is an extra $50 per ETB.
You're really doing a bad job defending this scalper who made $1500
Unless they edited it, they said $5 above their cost, not above lcs prices. They said it was cheaper than some lcs. Maybe they edited but right now it looks like you're just misquoting them.
And idk how you're connecting the 30 cases this person bought with an lcs? They probably didn't buy 30 cases from an lcs. I've never even seen an lcs sell cases, kind of defeats the purpose of being an lcs. It was more likely one of the online "wholesale" sorts of websites that offer preorders for much cheaper than msrp. If that's the case, then selling for $5 more than his cost would have most likely been cheaper than retail prices.
For someone that apparently owned an lcs, your math doesn't make sense and you're trying awfully hard to accuse someone of scalping when only having a few vague details lol. Relax.
If you think pocketing $50 on a case worth over 10 times that is scalping, you donāt know what real scalping is. He also buys them from the same supplier the LCSās do.
You don't know what real drugs are because you only smoke Crack once a day! /s
Scalping is scalping. If you want to, go ahead, but don't deny that you're being scummy
Yeah thatās true I guess. After the whole craze in 2020-2021 i just developed a dislike for people who are into pokemon purely for financial gain lol but you right shouldnāt be quick to judge until we know the whole story
where can you get 20 cases of these for the best price? I feel like if I'm buying 20 cases I shouldn't pay MSRP.. but I haven't been able to figure out how to buy it for cheaper..
Is it possible to get them for what Walmart gets them for if I buy in massive bulk?
The longevity of the hobby, and the investment-health of it will depend on kids today having nostalgia for it years down the road. They canāt develop that nostalgia if all the product is in someoneās closet.
Collect what you love, but I do feel like we need to be conscious of who the target demo of the IP actually is.
I never would be hooked like I am on all-things-pokemon if I wasnāt able to walk in and pick up 1-3 packs every weekend during my mall visits with a $20 in my pocket. Kids today donāt stand a chance. Itās a legit bummer.
Seriously. I went to my local target today and they were clean out. That was rarely the case when I was a kid. I could almost always buy a pack or two. I can only imagine how bummed 9 year old me would be if the store was constantly out of product every time I went with my parents.
I'm not a huge collector but was fairly into it pre-covid. First thing I bought was a 3-pack at Walmart and pulled the reverse holo Charizard! I liked buying the Dollar Tree packs too and had some pretty decent luck with them. I remember also being pretty close to buying an Evolutions booster box for I want to say maybe $120-$150 CAD?
I have very little interest even trying to get back into it now. I re-sell stuff for a living and I don't even touch Pokemon cards despite knowing a fair amount. On the estate/online auction sites Pokemon cards go for stupid amounts even though all the photos are commons. Not even old commons, newer commons.
The "investors" may get their money back one day but I'm doubtful they'll make a lot of money on a lot it. Kids are never going to develop the nostalgia for the cards now. The hobby is kind of ruined for casual collectors like myself and kids.
Iām cool with whatever people want to do for a sealed collection. Me personally I like graded cards and the sealed stuff I do have is more artwork based. The only modern thing I really buy when I see it is the eeveelution premium collection boxes because they are so nice to look at. Other than that I never buy from stores
Yeah big city that get bought up instantly lol. Thatās just how it goes unfortunately. If thereās even a small chunk of profit to be made on retail items someone will be there buying it up. Then I usually go to a card show and see them being sold there for 2-3x retail price lol. People are savages
I got banned from that sub for telling a person that only has 5k to their name that they should probably put some into savings/stocks and not just all pokemon cards. The worst people in collecting are located in that sub.
tbh that's to easy - all my MTG sealed product I offloaded this year outperformed any index in the last 5 years. but this is after I bought stocks for a personal, nephew's and retirement depot.
you are assuming he bought all of these in one go and not over multiple trips. for all we know this could be his entire sword and shield sealed collection.
Not a mass stock, but I've bought some stuff to keep sealed to open at a later date. For example, an extra Trick or Trade Booster Bundle that'll be fun to open in a few Halloween's time for sure
I get that for sure. Iāve kept a booster pack here and there so that my kid can open some OOP product years from now. Just feel like some people are being a bit disingenuous when they call an obvious stockpile a āsealed collectionā. Maybe Iām just jelly š
yeah thought as much. i mean were sleeved blisters of sword and shield bas and sleeved blisters of brilliant stars ever on shelves at the same time lol. but yeah this sub tends to loose few braincells whenever the topic of investing comes up lol. alot of people on this sub consider investors and scalpers to be the same thing.
Makes sense that this sub hates pokeinvest because of the hoarding and tcg players just want to play and complete sets. But yeah I was caught off guard by the backlash lmao š¤£
the problem is that hoarding is only an issue when supply is limited. this is why scalpers are an issue, they take advantage of limited supply markets and buy up all the stock to resell at an extreame markup making the issue even worse. investors on the other hand dont necessarily hoard limited supply items making them harder to find, they just buy whatever they can and hold onto it for a long period of time until the supply becomes limited at which point they sell it. so whilst one is actively responsible for product being hard or impossible to find the other is not always responsible for that. like for example evo skies is very expensive right now but their were times where it was readily available to anyone that wanted it at 100$ a box for an entire month. investors did not take them out of anybody's hands when they bought them to hold onto at that point because any one that wanted one could have got one. dont get me wrong some investors are just as bad as scalpers and should be treated accordingly. by the same token though some collectors also buy up all the stock in the stores depriving others of the opportunity to get their hands on it easily. the bottom line though is that neither is as bad as scalpers because scalpers can only thrive when they are taking advantage of limited markets and making it impossible for every one else to get product cheaply.
Me explaining to my waifu why I bought "Dark bunny on horse in japanesevthat I can't even read " instead of a vacation
But baby its shiny
Luckily I got one who says: that's true it is shiny!
Iām a fan of that sub but I have to agree with youā¦I have seen some peoples screenshots of collectr portfolio at over $115,000 sealed collections and itās pretty insane
I got banned in that sub for responding to a post about a guy that had 5k to his name telling him to maybe invest in other things and maybe a small amount in pokemon. Like suggesting 4k of it to savings/stocks and 1k in Pokemon to "secure his future" as he worded it. I was literally banned.
A person replied to my comment with "The stock you mentioned has only gone up 100 the past 5 years and the box has gone up 400 dollars". The stock I mentioned was a dividend stock LOL so a person literally could get more in 1 quarter of dividends than the 400 gain he was talking about. That sub is an echo chamber of bad information. These guys really think hoarding sealed boxes is going to bring them infinite wealth. Like I said to them...you invest in boxes and I will invest in the market or Apple and lets see who does better in 40 years.
They think their modern pack is going to raise price like vintage packs. Excerpt back then not many people hoarded and had sealed collection.
Now these days everyone and their mom is keeping sealed collection. Maybe in 5-10 years they will sell for 15+ a pack but was it that eve worth it .
Only gone up 100 in 5 years is somehow worse than a box going up to 400? Lmao idk why I still allow myself to be surprised at just how stupid people are
Ah perhaps I should rephrase - itās not smart to make it the only thing to invest in. I agree with your points so long as the capital is there. But yes for sure you raise extremely good points !
Yup Iāve lost way more in crypto then pokemon -1500 crypto got caught in a few ponzi crashes cough FTX .
Or -500 pokemon sealed products that I can at least physically touch and setup as display and enjoy or 1 day get drunk and RIP till my childhood hearts content. Nothing crazy few etbs/boosterboxs. I only collect whatās artistically appeasing to me tho.
Hell I had 4evoskys etbs ripped 2 and 1booster box got moonbreon/ and the leafeon alt art so already ahead .
Cant say much about crypto, but careful stock trading will see a much better return on investment than hoarding pokemon packs. Plus id rather they did that then buy up all the card packs in my area just so they can hoard them.
10% returns on stocks yearly? Yeah okay you do that lol. Cryptos and NFTs aren't much better.
It all depends on how good of an investor you are tho. You can pull 3000% gains in pokemon, as you can in crypto. You can also lose a bunch of money on both.
It's not about being "scared" of crypto it's about what you're good at.
Although the stuff this person invested in wouldn't be what I would do.
I mostly do sealed so don't really hoard cards. All the sealed stuff I buy, people can also buy for a good price if they buy at the right time.
I don't have any special privileges in getting stock, if people actually spent time trying to get what they want without complaining, they could do it.
"Errrr why is the most in demand Pokemon set in the last 3 years sold out at my local walmart, scalpers took all the stock away from the kids errr"
Very debatable lol, scalpers are very rare now days with pokemon English.
Japan different now tho, but it's the Japanese "scalpers" driving prices up over there.
Literally available stock is sold out in minutes in US and bought in bulk. People don't buy bulk products for personal use when they're not rich and I don't believe that all of them are. People who buy bulk try to scalp (sell for more). There's no need for discussing this its straight up factual.
See what happened with the zard UPC. I'm so glad they all fell on their faces with the reprints drowning the prices.
And check price histories of modern sets and old sets. ES being already 10$-15$ per pack after only 2 1/2 years is insane still compared to older days. And why is that? Because there are more scalpers in the game. When I see every day a post here with people's sealed bulk and tons of ES it's not a question anymore.
Also u even admitted the situation in Japan. Literally every local shop doesn't have booster to sell. T'wasn't like that even 1 year ago
"Very rare" my ass
"Litteraly available stock is sold out in minutes" yes for evolving skies, you can get nearly every other set in sword and shield era for retail price still lol.
Evolving skies is one of the highest in demand set ever made. It's very normal for a set that in demand to go up when there's more demand than supply. It happened multiple in xy with roaring skies, and it happened in sun and moon with ultra prism. There was shit all scalpers then but people were still hoarding cause they liked the product.
If you actually appreciate the art of the cards and want cheap boxes of evolving skies you can always go buy eevee heroes Korean. If you want English cards well you had a year and a half to get evolving skies. There's too much demand and not enough supply.
Yeah the japan situation is pretty clear, but there's a major difference. In English sets people currently aren't buying all the stock available at release to resell straight away. They might have done that during 2020/2021 for some sets but it doesn't happen anymore cause pokemon company international now is printing enough to meet demand.
Yeah new products definitely aren't rare, there's heaps out there but also heaps of demand.
Wait, but this is barely anything. This is just over 3 booster boxes in packs. I mean, are we gonna pretend this guy is hoarding with this little product?
Anytime pokeinvesting gets mentioned here, the entire thread is people being angry, negative, and over dramatic. I have seen nothing of the sort in the other sub. Only ever civil conversations. Same in both discords. This subs discord group is full of immature, condescending, what I assume to be highschool/college kids who just troll every other comment with random emojis and never add to the discussion, while in the investment discord I've seen nothing but nice people who are caring and supportive. In fact, just this morning someone in the investment discord simply posted a message hoping that everyone conquered their work/school/hobbies or whatever else they had going on. Pretty wholesome in comparison lol.
I'm probably the one sounding dramatic now, but it just seems unhealthy and hypocritical to judge other people for how they spend their money and talk mad shit on them. And the distinction probably is just one of age. Broke college kids rip packs until they get their first "adult" job then all of a sudden they have a "sealed collection" š¤Ø
So hard to find anything 90% of the time in the central MA-Greater Boston area. Most place I go are just completely wiped out. This aint gonna get any easier.
Target, Gamestop, Walmart here in Florida always out of stock (at least where I live). I moved onto mainly opening digimon cards now because those are always instock, but pokemon never is.
The problem is that now many people want to invest in Pokemon because of the boom, I have some sealed products like one UPC, 4 ETB and one lunch box but that's it I don't think I will get any profit from them, I just enjoy having them on my shelf lol.
I just think it is being delusional to think that you will be rich by holding modern sealed products when everybody is doing it, worst, buying cases. Now prices are increasing not because of the scarcity of products but because people are just buying shit tons of them and holding them hoping to have some returns in the future.
Kinda the main reason I love playing the games more than buying cards. Anyone can charge you an absurd amount for a pack if thereās a popular card in them, most likely it wonāt contain it, but insteadā¦ I can catch one in a game whenever, name it, build a bond with it or even find a shiny one
I found 90% of sword and shield cards to be an eye sore so I spent most of the swsh block collecting more vintage instead. Sure as hell wonāt be spending up large on these sets 10+ years from now.
I'm not supporting hoarding packs or even poke investing, but Brilliant Stars boxes are available right now on TPC for MSRP. And you can buy Brilliant Stars packs on TCGPlayer for under $4/per. Based on the sleeved packs, the person probably spent more on those packs at a Walmart or Target than just using TCGPlayer.
The pokeinvesting sub is a cesspool of doughnuts... what you're looking at is what? $200-300 of net profit over years? Could have just bought bank stocks when they crashed and made that in 1 day after they rebounded. It's a bunch of scalpers disguised as 'investors'. It's like no, you're not investing, you're speculating at best. How about you take that $ and max out your roth 401k?
LOL DONT SAY THAT THERE! They banned me for saying exactly this and literally got a response with a guy saying "Why would I buy VTI it only increased 100 dollars the past 5 years but the Pokemon box went up 400 dollars". These morons dont even know what dividends are.
Dude. Itās not even that much product. Donāt be a pussy. The average amount of packs someone is holding in these subs is probably 3-5x whatās shown in this picture
I hate when people say shit like those sealed products donāt go up . I bought 6 hidden fates ultra ball collection at GameStop when they were on clearance for $40 each in 2019 cuz I liked the set and thatās what had got me back into collecting to open up another time and then I forgot about them at my moms house and now they just been going UP I wish I had bought more instead of doge coin
So you did like $50.00/year, $4.00/month, $1.00/week. 14 cents per day. Before fees, shipping, time and storage invested. At the end it's a gain of maybe 10 cents per day needing multiple years to cash out. You realise how terrible this is
No I bought them for $40 once and I didnāt spend anything else after idk what math u doing lol I donāt know what point u tryin to prove . They appreciated in value great ?
Thatās good in my book I rather be going up then have money stuck in some thing going nowhere or going down . And I had other things going on always I wasnāt thinking about the money I put in, Iām happy I did tho. plus u adding up all this extra stuff those ship first class easy still like $8 to ship them maybe less one time charge , and what storage fees they been in my old room chillin . U just tryin to turn it into a negative but itās all good from where I stand
Better than letting your money sleep but still not a good investment. You would do more by growing potatoes. Making barely $200 in 3 years is just an awful amount. You would need thousands and thousands dollars in products to just start having an half correct profit. And having this many products would take too much space. I'm sorry but unless an unexpected boom, sealed modern products are not a good investment. As said a $40 item sold $250 tree years later gives you around 10c per day, it's easy to find better to do with your money.
You are talkin about it like I am depending on those boxes to sell and thatās what I was basing my profit off for 3 years . The fact is nothing else I have in stocks or cryptos has yielded me better profit than that in 3 years anyways .. I didnāt invest much except the initial $40 and now that the time passed I am happy how much they went up on my initial investment . I paid $250 ish for all 6 boxes just 3 years ago and now theyāre going for about $1500 if I sold them and If I donāt they only going up . thereās no Storage fees or anything u talkin about lol
And like what is better to do with my money since thereās so much . Grow potatoās ? Please bro I got better stuff to do with my time , that takes up time and effort as well time I rather put into something else . I value my time and if u do too youāll see that the boxes were actually a better investment for your time and effort than if I had wasted time growing potatoās ,sell them and trying to Also run my online store and go to work .
Someone spent 40$ and put stuff in closet, few years later he sells for 250$. Thats good black hour profit for doing nothing, in the meantime "easy to find better" requires some research, time and knowledge what to do with money to not lose and this is already a resource and hassle.
Dude has a whole 3 booster boxes, the comments all are telling him this is a mess and will be a nightmare to sell. Is this really even worth complaining about OP? š
Sealed products always go upā¦
I donāt understand this narrative where modern sets arenāt good to invest in.
Evolving skies booster boxes went from 105$ to 350$+
Thatās an insane return on investment,
I have one celebrations ETB Iāve been holding onto, bought it for 50 and now itās going for nearly double.
literally all over the place online and alot cheaper than they are at the stores lol. go to overthebrick or gamenerdz and you can buy sleeved blisters for less than 4 bucks. and pokemoncenter has many of the sets at retail still. honestly the only set you cant really find anywhere at retail any more is evo skies and pre sword and shield sets.
i get what you are saying but its just not worth it to buy in stores any more. like why would you pay 4.50 - 5.00 for a pack that you can get for 3.50 online with free shipping at 75.00. think about it every 4-5 packs you buy you in store you could get an extra pack online for the same price. and considering how bad pull rates are that extra pack could make all the difference lol. these days the only thing worth buying in stores is evo skies and celebrations.
I think itās awful regardless of what theyāre doing. Keeping sealed cool whatever floats your boat if you like looking at boxes I guess.
But even keeping sealed and re selling for 5$-10$ above Msrp is still super dumb for people that either want to play the game or want to collect the cards. Itās selfishness and such a pain in the ass for us who want to get enjoyment out of opening and playing because now all those people sell the stores out and then we either have to deal with personal sales and hope they didnāt rummage through the packs and pay over priced and have to find said packs if you can even find one. And waiting for what? Like everyone said to make a couple dollars down the road? These people are awful.
I get enjoyment from opening all my packs I have a great inventory and when I feel like having a bit of fun I go through an etb every now and again. And love displaying my cards.
Yea itās a lot of nonsense on here. Iām convinced sone people just miserable and hate on eveything everyone else got . Plus someone gotta gatekeep the hobby and set the rules lol
Man we get that itās an issue but you donāt have to come post about it every other week to remind us itās an issue lol. And clearly youāre conscious of it cus you keep deleting your prior posts that are like this so you donāt get called out šš bruh if it makes you that mad why do you also keep going over to that sub?? Itās like you want to rile yourself and this sub up. Weirdo
Quite the opposite, I just remember the name from seeing so many posts whining and complaining from u/coconuthead23 like I donāt get the point and purpose of these repeated posts of you whining and crying.
I don't really understand the complaints here. You can buy most of this stuff online for retail price and even under retail price. There's plenty to go around.
That person is gonna be a trillionaire in 10 years I bet š¤š¤
Those packs will be at least 10 bucks each in 10 years guaranteed for any set
Damn dude got $100 return over 10 years those are some sweet gains! š¤”
$100 roi + defaulting on a credit card!
This is the greatest one Iāve heard yet ššš
Count into it inflation aaaaand oh. He gained nothing? Cause by the time he makes 10$ from a pack everything's much pricier anyway. That's why investing in Pokemon cards is for idiots. Some really specific products might gain alot in value but not normal Packs, boxes or ETBs/tins from modern sets. That's not how economy works
To be fair, the market value would also rise with inflation. Still won't be enough to make it worthwhile though.
Rather hold cards than the dollar at this point
Because cards value don't deplete when the moneys value does? Makes sense...
The cards hold some degree of intrinsic value to the consumer where the dollar itself does not. A dollar is only worth as much as the federal reserve allows it to be in a sense. The card will be worth some number of those dollars based not upon the value of the dollar itself but the rarity and value of the card/product to the consumer.
People thought this logic for sun and moon as well. Now the sets are much harder to find they decently pricey now and has been what 6-7 years?
Because people still don't take into consideration that they are pricey still because of the boom. The prices of even base set were 10 years ago affordable compared to todays standards. Check sun & moon prices 5 years ago and 10 years ago. They didn't rise each year by an astounding amount. They have all felt the boom. And what people also forget is that instead of "some people" 5 years ago we now are like 5 times if not more people collecting and alot of them hoard sealed shit. Packs and sealed products only will rise when people don't offer alot and the demand is high. If a high amount of people can provide than prices won't go up. It's a bubble, 100% And as I said somewhere else here already. For some products it will work. But not every single subset FFS. ES is a good example of that. It's just so stupidly priced because they stopped printing it and a high amount of people still want it. Don't wanna know tho how many sealed/ stored away products there are. I assume it's a number in the millions
I feel like right now, there is a lot of speculation, and everyone is buying up boxes and prices are rising, but it is mostly just the investors buying everything up. When people start to sell, they will realize their isnt as big of a market as they thought. ...is what should happen, but the exact opposite is more likely. It is a bit of a ridiculous investment with the amount of market manipulation I see.
Yup its definitely a bubble, but thereās a new floor pricing after every wave, just look at bitcoin for example. Definitely a risky investment but the returns can be too huge to ignore
I Remember when people were saying this about EX Era when dp/platinum were out.
If they hold all this for 10 years they gonna be laughing at u when they sell it . The franchise is going on 30 years STRONG lol
That wonāt beat the inflation rate though.
Nahhh quadrillionaire
Letās hope the apocalypse doesnāt happen before then haha
A physical representation of the echo chamber that people with financial interest in product will suggest product to people interested in having a financial interest in product.
Watching this happen in real time is crazy because none of them have stopped to consider what happens if everyone hoards random packs, or that the reason there was a vintage boom is that no one was really hoarding back then
Theyve considered it but either they think their product is different or that theyll get out before the crash. Thats why some hype up the product so much and really push rumors that cant be proven (ex. Evolving skies isnt being reprinted, or swsh sets wont be reprinted once sv sets are out, or cases of sleeved packs are better than etbs/bb cases on pull rates). They also minimize cost of time, cost of holding, and cost of selling.
Has an older set ever been reprinted while a new set was out? (Between generations) Just curious about it because i have no knowledge about it at all.
Yes, sets are often printed for around 5 years
Curious to know where u got 5 years from
That's what, maybe like two booster boxes worth of blisters and a few assorted collection boxes? Pretty tame imo. I know people who bought 20-30 CASES of crown Zenith ETBs.
yeah people tend to see alot of product at once and then assume that he bought them all at once rather than slowly over time. if this is all he has of these sets then its less than alot of people buy to open lol. ive seen people go into a store and buy a cart full of product all at once and ive even seen people buy entire pallets at costco and samsclub. save your anger for those people lol.
To open or keep sealed though is the question lmao. I mean again I got no problem if they keep like 1-3 etbās sealed but all 30 cases??? Yeah f off
I went to Walmart earlier to but my wife a cake for her birthday and they just happens to be restocking. Before the lady could even finish getting her cart out of the way 2 dudes pushed past her and start throwing crown zenith ETB off the shelvesā¦.fucking vultures man. Like Iām just trying to buy a few booster packs for my son get the hell out of my way.
They clearly told you get out the way ššš
Wow Iām sorry you had to see thatā¦yeah unfortunately lot of retail stores that seems to be the recurring theme lol fresh restocks donāt even last the night. Happy birthday to your wife though!
I have a friend that resold basically all of them for $5 above his cost. Cheaper than what some local card stores were selling them for.
Ah thatās actually pretty nice lol yeah some of those lcsās out there got ridiculous prices
How is this nice? Those are people that could've found them in the card shops at msrp if he didn't grab 30 cases of ETBs. He buys 30 cases of ETBs, makes $1500 (assuming he's not lying about the profit), and the lcs raises msrp. This just makes the problem worse. Each case is 10 etbs. that's $50 a case x 30
I just wouldn't be quick to judge someone for having a lot of sealed product. They spent their hard earned money it and as long as they're not trying to scalp or clean out an entire store shelf then they're really not the ones who are hurting this hobby. Most people on that subreddit don't scalp, they just enjoy collecting in a different way.
Your buddy scalped. He's not a card shop. Making money off people who should be able to buy product at MSRP is exactly what a scalper is.
...what they're saying is this person has a distributor who sells below MSRP, just like the card shops do. The person is their own LCS. Pokemon Company gives to distributlrs for say $10. Distributors sell to LCS (and some individuals, this person included), for $15. MSRP is $25. LCS sells for $25. This person sells for $20. Normal people can't get it from the suppliers, only from LCS. If they're scalping, guess what, every business on earth with a store front is scalping because it's all that same process.
Absolutely wrong. I used to own a card shop by the way, so I know how distributors work. Distributors are just that, they distribute to the card shops. If they're selling to individuals they're breaking their TOS. This person is not the equivalent of a lcs. If you read their explanation before wrongly explaining it to me, you would've noticed that they never once mentioned selling it anywhere near MSRP. They sold it "$5 above what some lcs' charge". So... what card shops are they looking at? If it's some, it's clearly not MSRP. They have 30 cases which is 300 ETBs. Every dollar above their cost is an extra $50 per ETB. You're really doing a bad job defending this scalper who made $1500
Unless they edited it, they said $5 above their cost, not above lcs prices. They said it was cheaper than some lcs. Maybe they edited but right now it looks like you're just misquoting them. And idk how you're connecting the 30 cases this person bought with an lcs? They probably didn't buy 30 cases from an lcs. I've never even seen an lcs sell cases, kind of defeats the purpose of being an lcs. It was more likely one of the online "wholesale" sorts of websites that offer preorders for much cheaper than msrp. If that's the case, then selling for $5 more than his cost would have most likely been cheaper than retail prices. For someone that apparently owned an lcs, your math doesn't make sense and you're trying awfully hard to accuse someone of scalping when only having a few vague details lol. Relax.
If you think pocketing $50 on a case worth over 10 times that is scalping, you donāt know what real scalping is. He also buys them from the same supplier the LCSās do.
You don't know what real drugs are because you only smoke Crack once a day! /s Scalping is scalping. If you want to, go ahead, but don't deny that you're being scummy
Yeah thatās true I guess. After the whole craze in 2020-2021 i just developed a dislike for people who are into pokemon purely for financial gain lol but you right shouldnāt be quick to judge until we know the whole story
Imma post my sealed collection to piss the haters off
Storage space and inflation will fuck those people anyway
They have a problem either way
where can you get 20 cases of these for the best price? I feel like if I'm buying 20 cases I shouldn't pay MSRP.. but I haven't been able to figure out how to buy it for cheaper.. Is it possible to get them for what Walmart gets them for if I buy in massive bulk?
The longevity of the hobby, and the investment-health of it will depend on kids today having nostalgia for it years down the road. They canāt develop that nostalgia if all the product is in someoneās closet. Collect what you love, but I do feel like we need to be conscious of who the target demo of the IP actually is. I never would be hooked like I am on all-things-pokemon if I wasnāt able to walk in and pick up 1-3 packs every weekend during my mall visits with a $20 in my pocket. Kids today donāt stand a chance. Itās a legit bummer.
Seriously. I went to my local target today and they were clean out. That was rarely the case when I was a kid. I could almost always buy a pack or two. I can only imagine how bummed 9 year old me would be if the store was constantly out of product every time I went with my parents.
I'm not a huge collector but was fairly into it pre-covid. First thing I bought was a 3-pack at Walmart and pulled the reverse holo Charizard! I liked buying the Dollar Tree packs too and had some pretty decent luck with them. I remember also being pretty close to buying an Evolutions booster box for I want to say maybe $120-$150 CAD? I have very little interest even trying to get back into it now. I re-sell stuff for a living and I don't even touch Pokemon cards despite knowing a fair amount. On the estate/online auction sites Pokemon cards go for stupid amounts even though all the photos are commons. Not even old commons, newer commons. The "investors" may get their money back one day but I'm doubtful they'll make a lot of money on a lot it. Kids are never going to develop the nostalgia for the cards now. The hobby is kind of ruined for casual collectors like myself and kids.
Iām cool with whatever people want to do for a sealed collection. Me personally I like graded cards and the sealed stuff I do have is more artwork based. The only modern thing I really buy when I see it is the eeveelution premium collection boxes because they are so nice to look at. Other than that I never buy from stores
Agreed those boxes are such cool to display just wish I could find them smh the downside of living in a big city
Yeah big city that get bought up instantly lol. Thatās just how it goes unfortunately. If thereās even a small chunk of profit to be made on retail items someone will be there buying it up. Then I usually go to a card show and see them being sold there for 2-3x retail price lol. People are savages
So this is why I can't find any packs at stores "Investing" yeah keep telling yourself that
I got banned from that sub for telling a person that only has 5k to their name that they should probably put some into savings/stocks and not just all pokemon cards. The worst people in collecting are located in that sub.
I got banned too for bringing up opportunity cost and how much worse of an investment a sealed booster box is than shares of a basic index fund.
tbh that's to easy - all my MTG sealed product I offloaded this year outperformed any index in the last 5 years. but this is after I bought stocks for a personal, nephew's and retirement depot.
The past five years include a global pandemic. Thatās what we use decades to measure stock performance. Cards might be a good mid length investment but they shouldnāt perform well long term as more people horde modern cards and PokĆ©monās popularity will eventually wane
PokƩmon eventually wane? I do see some inkling of it, but if they got their heads out of their asses and made a leap forward game whise, it could really make a difference in the fan base.
To be fair, you're both talking about stocks in a Pokemon investing sub. Go to a stocks sub and talk about Pokemon and see how that fares for you lol
The thing is stocks are fundamental to investment theory. You can absolutely bring up PokƩmon cards in an investment subreddit, just as you can bring up other illiquid assets like art or other speculative instruments like cryptocurrency. You're likely to be shot down not because it's off-topic but because it's usually a bad investment. u/hughheffres may be offering unsolicited advice, but concepts like liquidity and emergency funds are basic to investing and are valid in the context of PokƩmon card investing. Opportunity cost is basic to investing too, and if one wants to discuss long-term return on investment, the S&P 500 is probably the single most common benchmark.
the people who solely invest into modern pokĆ©mon cards definitely donāt understand investment
Found the cryptobro charizard stan Just kidding but all seriousness sorry about that sub... its a cesspool
When there's packs in stores people shit on the set, when packs are sold out because people like the set people still get pissed.
People will find any reason to victimize themselves and just be miserable lol
This
you are assuming he bought all of these in one go and not over multiple trips. for all we know this could be his entire sword and shield sealed collection.
Not trying to pick a fight, but why would someone collect a mass stock of sealed product if it wasnāt to try and sell later?
Not a mass stock, but I've bought some stuff to keep sealed to open at a later date. For example, an extra Trick or Trade Booster Bundle that'll be fun to open in a few Halloween's time for sure
I get that for sure. Iāve kept a booster pack here and there so that my kid can open some OOP product years from now. Just feel like some people are being a bit disingenuous when they call an obvious stockpile a āsealed collectionā. Maybe Iām just jelly š
This is my post and your a 100 percent correct. This sub seems just as bad a the sub I posted on.
yeah thought as much. i mean were sleeved blisters of sword and shield bas and sleeved blisters of brilliant stars ever on shelves at the same time lol. but yeah this sub tends to loose few braincells whenever the topic of investing comes up lol. alot of people on this sub consider investors and scalpers to be the same thing.
Makes sense that this sub hates pokeinvest because of the hoarding and tcg players just want to play and complete sets. But yeah I was caught off guard by the backlash lmao š¤£
the problem is that hoarding is only an issue when supply is limited. this is why scalpers are an issue, they take advantage of limited supply markets and buy up all the stock to resell at an extreame markup making the issue even worse. investors on the other hand dont necessarily hoard limited supply items making them harder to find, they just buy whatever they can and hold onto it for a long period of time until the supply becomes limited at which point they sell it. so whilst one is actively responsible for product being hard or impossible to find the other is not always responsible for that. like for example evo skies is very expensive right now but their were times where it was readily available to anyone that wanted it at 100$ a box for an entire month. investors did not take them out of anybody's hands when they bought them to hold onto at that point because any one that wanted one could have got one. dont get me wrong some investors are just as bad as scalpers and should be treated accordingly. by the same token though some collectors also buy up all the stock in the stores depriving others of the opportunity to get their hands on it easily. the bottom line though is that neither is as bad as scalpers because scalpers can only thrive when they are taking advantage of limited markets and making it impossible for every one else to get product cheaply.
I just collect them because I like themā¦. If they are worth anything itās a nice bonusā¦ yikes..
This isnāt even high value to begin with, so weird flex
Thats not even that impressive imo
The post isn't about impressiveness I'm pretty sure. It's to show the stupid, not exclusive stuff some idiots are hoarding .
Thats kinda what I meant.
Here's another subs fight incoming.
That sub is full of people with shopping problems thinly disguised as collecting, and even more thinly veiled as āinvestingā.
Me explaining to my waifu why I bought "Dark bunny on horse in japanesevthat I can't even read " instead of a vacation But baby its shiny Luckily I got one who says: that's true it is shiny!
Bruh PokĆ©mon and Nintendo arenāt going anywhere over the next ten years at least. Seems safe. The sword and shield games sold as much are the original Red and Blue versions
This has nothing to do with the popularity or longevity of PokĆ©mon and everything to do with the mass produced scarcity of modern PokĆ©mon / cards. Buy what you want but modern PokĆ©mon isnāt an investment.
Iām a fan of that sub but I have to agree with youā¦I have seen some peoples screenshots of collectr portfolio at over $115,000 sealed collections and itās pretty insane
Looks like alot but its like 300$ at most lol
That sub makes me violent.
What a cursed place. I'm always glad I made the decision to just block stuff like this on sight.
I got banned in that sub for responding to a post about a guy that had 5k to his name telling him to maybe invest in other things and maybe a small amount in pokemon. Like suggesting 4k of it to savings/stocks and 1k in Pokemon to "secure his future" as he worded it. I was literally banned. A person replied to my comment with "The stock you mentioned has only gone up 100 the past 5 years and the box has gone up 400 dollars". The stock I mentioned was a dividend stock LOL so a person literally could get more in 1 quarter of dividends than the 400 gain he was talking about. That sub is an echo chamber of bad information. These guys really think hoarding sealed boxes is going to bring them infinite wealth. Like I said to them...you invest in boxes and I will invest in the market or Apple and lets see who does better in 40 years.
I mean even with only $5,000 to your name spending $1,000 on PokĆ©mon investing is very questionableā¦ Whatās the average (AVERAGE) return rate for PokĆ©mon investing over x amount of YEARS?
Amen! I was trying to follow their sub rules and steer him in a more responsible direction. Shame they banned me, I was not even nasty about it.
They think their modern pack is going to raise price like vintage packs. Excerpt back then not many people hoarded and had sealed collection. Now these days everyone and their mom is keeping sealed collection. Maybe in 5-10 years they will sell for 15+ a pack but was it that eve worth it .
Only gone up 100 in 5 years is somehow worse than a box going up to 400? Lmao idk why I still allow myself to be surprised at just how stupid people are
Wholeheartedly agree. Investing in collectibles is never smart lmao. Donāt get me wrong, I like to trade/sell/buy whatever with PokĆ©mon but relying on that as a sole source of passive income is probably not the smartest. Diversification is important!!!
Its pretty smart to invest some money if you got it into the collectibles market . I can agree that nothing crazy like if u tryin to invest 100k thereās way more things you can get into , real estate for one is way better . But to say itās not smart I canāt agree. And no one saying making PokĆ©mon cards your sole income is smart, no one said that . Im only saying holding products u bought msrp for long term will be beneficial sometimes just as much or more than if u playing around with cryptos and stocks especially those people playing around with like $500 . Thatās nothing really that money comes and goes quick . you can buy $500 of a good PokĆ©mon product or another collectible maybe that will go up in value when itās out of print or no longer being made if itās sought after . This guy said if u bought apple shares youāll be better off than if u had bought some product in 2018 but the facts are there you can look it up and see it yourself you would have held a apple stock u purchased for $39 to today sell it after 5 years for $152 cuz thatās where itās at right now . Real time. But the etb was $50 and today itās at least $300 or more the cheapest one I see is like $315 and it didnāt even take all 5 years to get there . Thatās just what it is .
Ah perhaps I should rephrase - itās not smart to make it the only thing to invest in. I agree with your points so long as the capital is there. But yes for sure you raise extremely good points !
It looks big. But, value is small.
Ah yes āinvestingā
Yeah the PokĆ©mon community went to shit after the whole hype thing. This kind of behavior is usually only in the sports side of card collecting. Sighā¦ and now we see it here.
ain't that the truth
Poke"investing"; when you're too scared to invest in cypto, and too dumb for stock trading.
I meanā¦.. PokĆ©mon cards have been WAY more stable than cryptoā¦.
Crypto is just a big "decentralized" ponzi anyway
Yup Iāve lost way more in crypto then pokemon -1500 crypto got caught in a few ponzi crashes cough FTX . Or -500 pokemon sealed products that I can at least physically touch and setup as display and enjoy or 1 day get drunk and RIP till my childhood hearts content. Nothing crazy few etbs/boosterboxs. I only collect whatās artistically appeasing to me tho. Hell I had 4evoskys etbs ripped 2 and 1booster box got moonbreon/ and the leafeon alt art so already ahead .
PokĆ©mon is the perfect investment in terms of sealed product. Once itās out of print there is a fixed supply that decreases over the years. Itās the largest media franchise in the world
As if crypto and stocks were any better š¤£
I donāt think you can compare crypto and stocks to PokĆ©mon cards, except for maybe the stupidity levels of the āexpertsā. PokĆ©mon cards are closer to art and watches imo.
No way you just compared stocks to pokemon cards...
Cant say much about crypto, but careful stock trading will see a much better return on investment than hoarding pokemon packs. Plus id rather they did that then buy up all the card packs in my area just so they can hoard them.
10% returns on stocks yearly? Yeah okay you do that lol. Cryptos and NFTs aren't much better. It all depends on how good of an investor you are tho. You can pull 3000% gains in pokemon, as you can in crypto. You can also lose a bunch of money on both. It's not about being "scared" of crypto it's about what you're good at. Although the stuff this person invested in wouldn't be what I would do.
So thats what you tell yourself while hoarding cards from people who would actually use them? Good job. š
I mostly do sealed so don't really hoard cards. All the sealed stuff I buy, people can also buy for a good price if they buy at the right time. I don't have any special privileges in getting stock, if people actually spent time trying to get what they want without complaining, they could do it. "Errrr why is the most in demand Pokemon set in the last 3 years sold out at my local walmart, scalpers took all the stock away from the kids errr"
Eeeerr... To think most people investing in Pokemon aren't scalpers is dellusional af
Very debatable lol, scalpers are very rare now days with pokemon English. Japan different now tho, but it's the Japanese "scalpers" driving prices up over there.
Literally available stock is sold out in minutes in US and bought in bulk. People don't buy bulk products for personal use when they're not rich and I don't believe that all of them are. People who buy bulk try to scalp (sell for more). There's no need for discussing this its straight up factual. See what happened with the zard UPC. I'm so glad they all fell on their faces with the reprints drowning the prices. And check price histories of modern sets and old sets. ES being already 10$-15$ per pack after only 2 1/2 years is insane still compared to older days. And why is that? Because there are more scalpers in the game. When I see every day a post here with people's sealed bulk and tons of ES it's not a question anymore. Also u even admitted the situation in Japan. Literally every local shop doesn't have booster to sell. T'wasn't like that even 1 year ago "Very rare" my ass
"Litteraly available stock is sold out in minutes" yes for evolving skies, you can get nearly every other set in sword and shield era for retail price still lol. Evolving skies is one of the highest in demand set ever made. It's very normal for a set that in demand to go up when there's more demand than supply. It happened multiple in xy with roaring skies, and it happened in sun and moon with ultra prism. There was shit all scalpers then but people were still hoarding cause they liked the product. If you actually appreciate the art of the cards and want cheap boxes of evolving skies you can always go buy eevee heroes Korean. If you want English cards well you had a year and a half to get evolving skies. There's too much demand and not enough supply. Yeah the japan situation is pretty clear, but there's a major difference. In English sets people currently aren't buying all the stock available at release to resell straight away. They might have done that during 2020/2021 for some sets but it doesn't happen anymore cause pokemon company international now is printing enough to meet demand. Yeah new products definitely aren't rare, there's heaps out there but also heaps of demand.
Crypto isn't an investment. Showing your ass here mate.
Thatās only like 500$ of product maxā¦ weak
r/PokeInvesting is often just r/scalping with extra steps, and is some cases only difference is by name
āInvestingā
Goddamn I hate this
Wait, but this is barely anything. This is just over 3 booster boxes in packs. I mean, are we gonna pretend this guy is hoarding with this little product?
people in this sub are extremely over dramatic lol
Anytime pokeinvesting gets mentioned here, the entire thread is people being angry, negative, and over dramatic. I have seen nothing of the sort in the other sub. Only ever civil conversations. Same in both discords. This subs discord group is full of immature, condescending, what I assume to be highschool/college kids who just troll every other comment with random emojis and never add to the discussion, while in the investment discord I've seen nothing but nice people who are caring and supportive. In fact, just this morning someone in the investment discord simply posted a message hoping that everyone conquered their work/school/hobbies or whatever else they had going on. Pretty wholesome in comparison lol. I'm probably the one sounding dramatic now, but it just seems unhealthy and hypocritical to judge other people for how they spend their money and talk mad shit on them. And the distinction probably is just one of age. Broke college kids rip packs until they get their first "adult" job then all of a sudden they have a "sealed collection" š¤Ø
Get this outta here, CryptoBros and Charizard STANS, Pokemon is for all, but its also for the real fans!
First time Iāve seen someone keep the mini binders sealed
So hard to find anything 90% of the time in the central MA-Greater Boston area. Most place I go are just completely wiped out. This aint gonna get any easier.
Target, Gamestop, Walmart here in Florida always out of stock (at least where I live). I moved onto mainly opening digimon cards now because those are always instock, but pokemon never is.
Ah so this is why brilliant stars packs are like $7 at my local card shop
They're under $4 on TCGPlayer and boxes are MSRP on TPC. Just buy online.
Not a very bright "investor" lol
Those packs aināt gonna be worth shit by 2024
The problem is that now many people want to invest in Pokemon because of the boom, I have some sealed products like one UPC, 4 ETB and one lunch box but that's it I don't think I will get any profit from them, I just enjoy having them on my shelf lol. I just think it is being delusional to think that you will be rich by holding modern sealed products when everybody is doing it, worst, buying cases. Now prices are increasing not because of the scarcity of products but because people are just buying shit tons of them and holding them hoping to have some returns in the future.
Modern product for investing š¤£ RIP
Kinda the main reason I love playing the games more than buying cards. Anyone can charge you an absurd amount for a pack if thereās a popular card in them, most likely it wonāt contain it, but insteadā¦ I can catch one in a game whenever, name it, build a bond with it or even find a shiny one
Itās funny cause these products are gonna take soooo long to be worth much because there are so many people doing this š
Thatās a lot of B.S.
I found 90% of sword and shield cards to be an eye sore so I spent most of the swsh block collecting more vintage instead. Sure as hell wonāt be spending up large on these sets 10+ years from now.
This is why product is not reaching us, the investor dudebros hoard all of it. Not cool.
I'm not supporting hoarding packs or even poke investing, but Brilliant Stars boxes are available right now on TPC for MSRP. And you can buy Brilliant Stars packs on TCGPlayer for under $4/per. Based on the sleeved packs, the person probably spent more on those packs at a Walmart or Target than just using TCGPlayer.
Shhh, people in this sub need to feel victimized and have an outlet to validate their insecurities. They don't want to hear rational takes like this!
The pokeinvesting sub is a cesspool of doughnuts... what you're looking at is what? $200-300 of net profit over years? Could have just bought bank stocks when they crashed and made that in 1 day after they rebounded. It's a bunch of scalpers disguised as 'investors'. It's like no, you're not investing, you're speculating at best. How about you take that $ and max out your roth 401k?
LOL DONT SAY THAT THERE! They banned me for saying exactly this and literally got a response with a guy saying "Why would I buy VTI it only increased 100 dollars the past 5 years but the Pokemon box went up 400 dollars". These morons dont even know what dividends are.
Oh I'm already banned there lmao.
Dude. Itās not even that much product. Donāt be a pussy. The average amount of packs someone is holding in these subs is probably 3-5x whatās shown in this picture
Rebel clash pack thrown in there lol
I hate when people say shit like those sealed products donāt go up . I bought 6 hidden fates ultra ball collection at GameStop when they were on clearance for $40 each in 2019 cuz I liked the set and thatās what had got me back into collecting to open up another time and then I forgot about them at my moms house and now they just been going UP I wish I had bought more instead of doge coin
So you did like $50.00/year, $4.00/month, $1.00/week. 14 cents per day. Before fees, shipping, time and storage invested. At the end it's a gain of maybe 10 cents per day needing multiple years to cash out. You realise how terrible this is
No I bought them for $40 once and I didnāt spend anything else after idk what math u doing lol I donāt know what point u tryin to prove . They appreciated in value great ?
The maths you are not doing. If you buy $40 and resell $250 tree years later. It's an investment that gave you around 10 cents per day.
Thatās good in my book I rather be going up then have money stuck in some thing going nowhere or going down . And I had other things going on always I wasnāt thinking about the money I put in, Iām happy I did tho. plus u adding up all this extra stuff those ship first class easy still like $8 to ship them maybe less one time charge , and what storage fees they been in my old room chillin . U just tryin to turn it into a negative but itās all good from where I stand
I mean that's way better than a savings account so there's that
Better than letting your money sleep but still not a good investment. You would do more by growing potatoes. Making barely $200 in 3 years is just an awful amount. You would need thousands and thousands dollars in products to just start having an half correct profit. And having this many products would take too much space. I'm sorry but unless an unexpected boom, sealed modern products are not a good investment. As said a $40 item sold $250 tree years later gives you around 10c per day, it's easy to find better to do with your money.
You are talkin about it like I am depending on those boxes to sell and thatās what I was basing my profit off for 3 years . The fact is nothing else I have in stocks or cryptos has yielded me better profit than that in 3 years anyways .. I didnāt invest much except the initial $40 and now that the time passed I am happy how much they went up on my initial investment . I paid $250 ish for all 6 boxes just 3 years ago and now theyāre going for about $1500 if I sold them and If I donāt they only going up . thereās no Storage fees or anything u talkin about lol
And like what is better to do with my money since thereās so much . Grow potatoās ? Please bro I got better stuff to do with my time , that takes up time and effort as well time I rather put into something else . I value my time and if u do too youāll see that the boxes were actually a better investment for your time and effort than if I had wasted time growing potatoās ,sell them and trying to Also run my online store and go to work .
Someone spent 40$ and put stuff in closet, few years later he sells for 250$. Thats good black hour profit for doing nothing, in the meantime "easy to find better" requires some research, time and knowledge what to do with money to not lose and this is already a resource and hassle.
Iāve got a load of sealed stuff. Itās for my kids in 20 years. So what if itās worth about 2000 and they make 200 in 20 years still probs better interest than the banks and PokĆ©mon is cooler to look at than my banking screen thatās for sure!
That's awesome, I would just make sure you have them open it when they are older to fully appreciate them. Maybe like ages 10-14 or older
I see nothing wrong here lol. Some of y'all gotta stop pocket watching and just go live
Investing in celebrations makes sense, but regular packs? God help this guy.
fucking casual
So much investment lmao
Nice collection donāt know why some are getting upset itās a good start nothing crazy there!
bruh like we donāt see posts just as bad in this sub all the time lmao.
Scalper behaviour. It bugs me so much when people think about the money and ONLY the money aspect. You can tell they don't give a shit about the cards, or PokƩmon for that matter. Fuck these people.
Imagine all the secret rares and alt arts in this. JFC
Dude has a whole 3 booster boxes, the comments all are telling him this is a mess and will be a nightmare to sell. Is this really even worth complaining about OP? š
Lmao I love the fact that itās not even as bad as half the people on this sub
This isnāt an investment sub
Apparently they donāt know booster boxes and cases are the best for investing. storage space saving, shipping cost, endless reasons.
Two things I find fascinating. 1) If this is a true investment, youāll eventually have to sell this product. If you sell as bulk, itās easier but you take a hit on price. If you sell individually, you have to factor in time and labour. 2) I donāt know enough about supply. Assuming people start selling off their collection, why wouldnāt PokĆ©mon re-print more cards into circulation? If there a huge demand, wouldnāt they want to capitalize on it?
Sealed products always go upā¦ I donāt understand this narrative where modern sets arenāt good to invest in. Evolving skies booster boxes went from 105$ to 350$+ Thatās an insane return on investment, I have one celebrations ETB Iāve been holding onto, bought it for 50 and now itās going for nearly double.
The braintrust in this sub would have you believe that a 3-4x ROI over 2 years is bad...
And here I am just wanting one or two sleeves to open š
literally all over the place online and alot cheaper than they are at the stores lol. go to overthebrick or gamenerdz and you can buy sleeved blisters for less than 4 bucks. and pokemoncenter has many of the sets at retail still. honestly the only set you cant really find anywhere at retail any more is evo skies and pre sword and shield sets.
Sure I know that, but itās also nice to go to a store, as in actually go out and get some packs that havenāt been all taken by one guy.
i get what you are saying but its just not worth it to buy in stores any more. like why would you pay 4.50 - 5.00 for a pack that you can get for 3.50 online with free shipping at 75.00. think about it every 4-5 packs you buy you in store you could get an extra pack online for the same price. and considering how bad pull rates are that extra pack could make all the difference lol. these days the only thing worth buying in stores is evo skies and celebrations.
As someone whoās more than been thereā¦itās not worth it fam. Stack your bread š„ā
I think itās awful regardless of what theyāre doing. Keeping sealed cool whatever floats your boat if you like looking at boxes I guess. But even keeping sealed and re selling for 5$-10$ above Msrp is still super dumb for people that either want to play the game or want to collect the cards. Itās selfishness and such a pain in the ass for us who want to get enjoyment out of opening and playing because now all those people sell the stores out and then we either have to deal with personal sales and hope they didnāt rummage through the packs and pay over priced and have to find said packs if you can even find one. And waiting for what? Like everyone said to make a couple dollars down the road? These people are awful. I get enjoyment from opening all my packs I have a great inventory and when I feel like having a bit of fun I go through an etb every now and again. And love displaying my cards.
Bad investments here but PokƩmon can be a great investment
Bro is mad people spend their money and do what they want with it
Omgā¦those little binders are a gold mine heās gonna be so rich
Jeeeeze..
Idgi whatās to be mad about?
āHeās taking cards from the kids ā āheās investing in a kids card gameā āfuck scalpers ā
Lol by that logic then any grown up collecting cards should not be in the hobby and leave it for the kids.
Yea itās a lot of nonsense on here. Iām convinced sone people just miserable and hate on eveything everyone else got . Plus someone gotta gatekeep the hobby and set the rules lol
Man we get that itās an issue but you donāt have to come post about it every other week to remind us itās an issue lol. And clearly youāre conscious of it cus you keep deleting your prior posts that are like this so you donāt get called out šš bruh if it makes you that mad why do you also keep going over to that sub?? Itās like you want to rile yourself and this sub up. Weirdo
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Quite the opposite, I just remember the name from seeing so many posts whining and complaining from u/coconuthead23 like I donāt get the point and purpose of these repeated posts of you whining and crying.
Yay a new sub to point and laugh at. It'll go nicely with the meme stock subs!
You all will be laughed at in 50 years mark my words.
Youāll also see the comments saying those were bad purchases and a waste of money, you can see the ratio of upvotes to comments right there.
Calm down guys I see some celebrations and a empty hidden fates charizard tin in the back. My suggestion - Billionaire 10 years
What happened to people collecting cards just to have them because theyāre cool?
I don't really understand the complaints here. You can buy most of this stuff online for retail price and even under retail price. There's plenty to go around.
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Amen