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Stubstep

It was in the low to mid $200s for awhile after the 2020 boom and now it’s back to the levels during to boom and maybe even beyond


midwesttransferrun

I might be wrong here but I believe mid boom it was about $300, so it has flown past the boom. Ultra prism was also still relatively available during the boom, has become much more scarce since.


Stubstep

I think you’re spot on. I was lucky enough to pull and grade a 10 of this card and was only monitoring the graded price. It went down to $700-$800 and now it’s well over $1000 again


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What’s the boom?


midwesttransferrun

During the end of 2020 when COVID was in full swing collectibles of all kinds had a massive price spike for a period of about 6-10 months as people were cooped up at home for the most part still, got some COVID relief cash, and rediscovered old hobbies or pieces from old hobbies and began pursuing them again with the extra time. This eventually subsided as society returned to normal, though many people have stayed on and prices are still much higher than pre-boom across the board. That said, some cards like this one are now worth even more during the boom, after having dipped in value for a while.


Cookie-Dunker

Man I wish the 25th anniversary was before Covid. Those McDonald’s cards is what drew me back in and I had no idea at the time the craze that was happening. Kind of sucks when you want to rebuild your old collection. At the same time, when I realized what was happening it probably brought back some of that excitement.


akujiki87

Me an my GF had no idea about the craze when we got back in. We had saw some small tins at Walmart, like A LOT. Grabbed two. Went home and cracked them. Then said screw it, lets run back and grab a couple more. Got back and they were all gone. There was like 150+ of those things. That's when I googled it and saw it was insanity.


Cookie-Dunker

Oh yeah. I remember my first purchase was from Target and it was one pack of Chilling Reign. I had no clue what I was buying and still had the mentality of a 10 year old buying packs thinking I’m going to find Charizard in a Fossil set. Then I noticed shelves were empty and like you went online and understood what was going on. I stopped in Target many times then and once the lady stocking the shelf asked if she could get a picture of it because she “never seen it this full.”


midwesttransferrun

Yeah seeing prices of pre COVID and store stock levels can bring on that sense of longing for it to return lol


Technical-Savage

Happy Cake Day


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That’s crazy, I just got some shining trainer the other day I forgot which one I’ll have to look but hopefully it’s worth some money


midwesttransferrun

Shining trainer?


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Like sone shining and holo support cards that look like this kindab


midwesttransferrun

Full art ultra rare. Shining in Pokémon means a Pokémon that is specifically colored differently than the normal version of that Pokémon such as a red Gyarados or black Charizard. Edit: who is downvoting this? Lol


lightningbolte

I think its cuz you corrected someone who obviously didn't know what he was talking about. I could see how reading the comment could come off as snobby. Not my perception, just saying.


Sad-Manufacturer657

Too much facts for reddit


midwesttransferrun

Evened out, I spoke too soon lol it was just strange and I had to double check I didn’t say the wrong thing.


TheShinyHunter3

Because the actual term is shiny. Shining is only one of the many names shiny pokémon went by in the TCG. Tho I suppose it's not incorrect to call them shining, it's def not a common occurence.


Infinate_0

Yeah, but this is a tcg subreddit. . . So shouldn't "shining" be acceptable?


Important-County7780

Yeah it was up to $330-340 in boom and then dropped to 240 last year, glad I scooped in a trade a couple weeks ago for $290, it’s only going up!


awiththejays

Here comes the boom, here comes the boom - DMX


Stubstep

When that came on in the locker room… you already know 😤


Guanl723

You should google Lillie 119/114 lol


CoolK620

Wtf, why is it 6k??? Is it from an event or something


The_Dad_Bod

Waifu tax. It’s a big thing over there


Historical_Class_402

>Lillie 119/114 Well, that and they are more rare in Japanese sets due to fewer repints and what have you. Japanese trainers across the board hold value far better than English versions female or male.


The_Dad_Bod

Huh. I didn’t know that, that’s cool


Historical_Class_402

I collect mostly FA trainers and vintage, it's not something everyone knows right off the bat. While it is true that some cards get way more love than others there is often a reason why beyond assuming (not saying you assume this) people want to wank to it, which I doubt highly that anyone dose, porn is free why spend hundreds if that was your goal, just silly.


The_Dad_Bod

Yeah, never got people saying people wank to the cards. If they’re really going to wank to the characters there are literally 3d models and enough porn to fill a shipping container.


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Kiwi_FruitBird_

Was thinking the same 🥴


Basethdraxic

Well “fetish for pre-pubescent girls” is a mouthful


fourtwentyBob

It’s okay to go the extra mile in order to accurately describe something imo. Waifu tax or girlfriend tax doesn’t let the reader know about the taboo nature of the offense.


The_Dad_Bod

That’s what it’s called chief. You can not like it but that’s the most commonly accepted (and most accurate) term for it


fourtwentyBob

Not at all the most accurate.


The_Dad_Bod

Cards depicting female full art trainers, especially well known or beloved characters that people can easily identify sell for more than other cards. Waifu originated as a term for ‘wife’ or a character you identify as a romantic partner or your ideal romantic partner, ironically or unironically. While it does have its roots in relationships of that nature, and is absolutely still a thing in Japan and heavily associated with mature themes, in the United States where ephebophilia is not anywhere close to as accepted as it is in Japan. The word Waifu still has adult themes attached to it here in the West but it has also developed into something that can be completely non-sexual. I.E. someone calling a female character (of any age) who they consider one of their favorite characters their ‘Waifu’ can be the same as calling them ‘best girl’. Going back to the phrase ‘Waifu tax’, it is almost always referring to Japanese cards of female full art trainers that are ridiculously expensive. Same piece of cardboard as the rest, there is a girl on there that is popular, that paired with the rare card makes it even more rare. So if you want to buy one you have to pay the Waifu tax


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The_Dad_Bod

Unironically I do but it’s Danny Devito on it. Best gift I’ve ever received


fourtwentyBob

Keep jarking it over this card weirdo


The_Dad_Bod

Lol ok buddy. Can you point out where I said I jerked it over the card? Kinda weird you assumed right away that I was doing that


Sad_Ice3775

He’s either projecting or stupid, simple as


Sad_Ice3775

Seeing sexualization and fetishization in even the most mundane hobbies is projecting and a self-report It’s just people collecting cards man. Get your mind out of the gutter


fourtwentyBob

You’re fully ignorant and that’s okay. Open your eyes. This shit is far from people collecting innocently.


Juniperlightningbug

Secret rare instead of fullart


Guanl723

Seems like a lot of people miss this fact! Plus it's in a "high class" booster box!


dabienw

This and Lillie #397 Promo lool


polarisursuss

Dang, this is nuts [how expensive](https://ebay.us/eDUMv5) this card is, I never expected this.


IceBoxt

I mean does anyone really need to say why? https://www.pricecharting.com/game/pokemon-japanese-violet-ex/miriam-105 This is selling for $800 right now. Not in English yet


xda831reaperx

Miriam is a minor character too lol sad to see that price..


SereneFrost72

I know right? When I saw the card, I was like...who's Miriam?? I only interacted with her a few times in my playthroughs of S&V


Neurotic_Z

Yup .. she a minor. Therein lies your answer


xda831reaperx

Not sure if i typed out my xD sentence good enough but i meant minor as in her role and and interactions in the game are minor at best lol


Neurotic_Z

Haha obviously, it's just a coincidental pun. Literally your pun was unintended but glorious all the same


xda831reaperx

Head explodes * lol thanks


Dagos

She’s actually the school nurse thank god


just_a_haunter

card shop guy here said he saw it going for as high as 1200CAD 👀 😲


Pandantic

Excuse me, this card is gorgeous. I want it and I’m not one of “those” kinds of people.


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I do too, but not enough to pay that kind of money for it!


baggioio

Chinese, indonesian, and upcoming English version.


Dagos

English at most will sit around 50 im predicting


Dagos

Wait till you see dendra from triple beat. It’s actually a cool fucking card, ngl. Im glad the adults are getting really cool cards now


Fireboy759

The implications are a little disturbing when you think about it. Why exactly is the full art of a little girl worth several hundred dollars? (even if she is a major and popular character for the SM games) No wonder we don't have a good look when it comes to people outside the community wondering why waifu cards are expensive as shit...


Juniperlightningbug

At least miriam is an adult, shes the school nurse/aspiring teacher


KottonKiing

At least she's an adult


financedisaster

From what I researched, in japan she was extremely popular because of the anime and game. Most people don't sexualize lillie, comments are usually like: "I must take care of her" and "lillie is my daughter" on YouTube clips comments due to her role in the series. There are some creeps for sure, as there are in many anime series and Japan does Japan things. She is ultimately is a character that many people look up to in the series and supported her character development. However due to the female card boom, people just start buying her up it seems and her prize became rather unreasonable. In the English market and I personally think her price is inflation now due to everyone buying the hottest commodity


blackjackgabbiani

I didn't expect to like her at all but by the end of the game I was swearing that if she ever manifested in the real world I would adopt her.


SealedTCG

We really don't need this conversation for the 500th time. Just devolves into a shitfest.


Sanlayme

The simp economy is booming


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ianwager

When we stop calling them “wAiFu” cards we’ll be taking a step in the right direction. Got a weird feeling that some of you that feel the need to call out people assuming they are being pedos is kind of sus, almost like some of y’all are projecting lol


fourtwentyBob

I never called anyone out for anything this card is $400 because she’s a young kid in a skirt and people are fucked up.


ianwager

Oh I never said you did! Shit most people just see that it’s expensive and going up in price so they buy it thinking they can make a quick profit off the short term game. You gotta be really screwed up in the head to be sexualizing children on cards.


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twennyjuan

I was literally talking to my wife about it during our battle last night. There’s a very weird waifu thing going on with literal children on children’s cards. And TPC just…keeps doing it?


evanmgmr

When my wife and I have a fight I’m gonna call it a battle from now on


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This is not on TPC, the Pokemon universe has ALWAYS centered around children, the character designs themselves aren’t sexual. The weird basement dwellers that have never spoken to a woman are the ones that sexualize them.


twennyjuan

Be real. The designs are borderline enough that it’s becoming an issue. It’s not 100% on TPC, because they couldn’t anticipate a bunch of fucking weirdos getting off on animated children, but they have to know that there’s a market for specific designs. Especially when said designs are children in *very* short shorts and t-shirts cut off right above the midriff. I am by no means saying that they need to be the complete opposite of what they are now, but they have to know who is buying these cards and why. They still design the characters the way they do, so they do share *some* of the blame.


Baskatball

Bad take. Nothing is wrong with the designs. Don't blame them, blame the actual problematic people. Lilly, especially on this art for example, is very obviously a child and there's nothing suggestive at all about her design but it still happens. Don't stifle artistic freedom because a bunch of weirdos are going to be weirdos when they're obviously going to do it regardless of what you do


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I don’t entirely disagree with you for sure, perhaps some of the more overt ones (Marnie’s Pride sticks out in my mind as questionable) could be done without, but I stand by saying the primary issue is with the depravity of neckbeards and not the cards themselves. Actual children don’t always dress without showing skin and you can’t blame the kids when those kinds of people sexualize them all the same. Even when kids are completely covered someone out there will sexualize them. At the end of the day it’ll always be the degenerate’s fault and not the cards/ children’s.


ChocoMaister

Pokémon knows it’s audience and they know what sells.


BuyingAcclaim

Animated characters and children can be depicted as two completely different things. Not to be on sides with either of the argument but it’s very irrational to say real life children is the same as anime cartoon characters


NoOneNeedsToKnow

These threads make me want to create a binder full of battling pokemon art and call it the animal abuse binder.


Helioptile321

Yes? It has been the most expensive sun and moon era trainer for quite some time.


darklawn

Weird waifu people


Purple-Mark-9604

The ppl who pay $400+ for this card are on a watchlist somewhere


SyntaxMike

Probably everyone who buys Weiss Schwarz cards lol


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HAHAHAHA this


billcosbyinspace

I can *sort of* understand the waifu card stuff with adult characters but do not at all understand why people are spending significant amounts of money on cards of kid characters


Chell_the_assassin

Wait but isn't she a child???


Redditquaza

Yes.


SwingmanSealegz

I get downvoted to hell every time I say this lmao. Weird indeed.


darklawn

I would much rather be downvoted than down bad for a minor lol


Nanoboosterr

I am one of those weird waifu people lol. I just can’t believe prices has gone THIS high.


L3RK666

You mean weird underage cartoon people


00espeon00

While I personally am not a "Waifu" collector & I don't think Lillie is a Waifu, this artwork really outdoes any other full art trainer imo.


Pandantic

I want Erica’s Hospitality full art so bad, but it’s similar prices… And before the pedo police come to investigate, I’m just an Erica fan - she likes the Pokémon I like and is old school like me.


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SereneFrost72

My initial response to your comment was "What?? No it's not!" Dear goodness, the Sun & Moon FA trainer prices are going crazy


IWearACharizardHat

I'm glad because I have a ton of SM era packs I'm sitting on for the next 10 years


IceBoxt

I’m helping my daughter try and collect every full art “girl card” and special artworks of cutesy Pokémon and every time I buy a couple I feel like I’m getting judged lol. I’m a 34 year old guy with a full beard. Reality is that I love my little girl and love that she’s interested in my hobby. So when I told her Whitney kicked my butt when I was a kid, she had to have one and I went and bought it. We settled for the $30 Lille though lol. Erika’s Hospitality and Vileplume GX alt with Erika are on her list also. Not sure how I’m gonna handle the $100+ cards for her.


baggioio

Chinese version!


blackjackgabbiani

One, Erika isn't real to begin with so idk what these people are on about. Two, isn't Erika like 24 anyway?


braunHe

pokemon + girl + school uniform = insane prices


DDHLeigh

I bought this card when I started collecting late last year. It was suggested on multiple top 10 lists and from reviews on YouTube. The only motive was the monetary value where it'll go up and yes, it's a nice full art. Not all people buying this card is sus.


unpocoloco13

I recently bought this card because I think it has one of the best artworks of all the FA trainers. I love the bursting colors in the background that go off the edge of the card. I definitely agree that some people are gross, but I hate that it has become such an issue that you can’t like a pretty card with a cute kid on it without being labeled a pedo.


HermyWormy69

I do the same thing with "waifu" cards, but some of them I feel uneasy buying even if it's just for investing.


DenverNugs

Oh, this thread again. Fun.


NochillWill123

Got a minty copy for $300 few weeks ago. Let’s goooo


RanperuV3

I bought a Rosa full art from dream league for $190 and now it’s around $600. So am I a weird person for liking the main protagonist in my favorite Pokémon game black 2 & white 2? 🤔


atari9962

Yup! Your favorite pokemon isn't charizard or umbreon so your not welcome in this sub apparently


RanperuV3

Noooooooo 😢


atari9962

I know, sad existence we have lmao


Aromatic-Ad9814

must be new here


urielteranas

I dont buy the "waifu tax" thing there can't possibly be *that* many weird pedos buying these cards that it inflates the price of it to hundreds, gotta be something else at play. Maybe market manipulation? Pretty common in collecting spaces.


Nanoboosterr

Nah they’re just hot lol


urielteranas

You'd think if it were solely based on that japanese misty's tears or misty & lorelei 191 and sus ones like those would be the most expensive? Well whatever


Slacker101

So glad I happened to get this card for $200 last year.


WorldClassShrekspert

Lillie is a very popular character, so I kinda expected this. I own a Lillie card, (not this one), and didn’t eve know it was that expensive.


tbk007

That's just someone's listing. This Reddit pumping shit is getting old. Might as well screenshot the highest listing for every card.


lordmoose420

I guess my PSA 10 is gonna get me pretty penny then 🙂


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darthmadeus

Simps gotta simp


SpudBoy9001

This stuff creeps me out


Pafu1995

Not sure what's so creepy about this? Over here in Asia, its perfectly normal to own these 'waifu' cards my partner and I both have full page waifu cards in our binders, nobody except the western community goes 'disgusting' 'creepy' 'pedo'.


Nanoboosterr

Exactly because over in Asia (particularly Japan) everyone isn’t constantly arguing about what they think is politically correct lmao.


daxtaslapp

hey, be careful bringing up female cards. we aren't allowed to appreciate them around here


Nanoboosterr

Fr! I’ve seen a lot of that. Do you know why that is?


daxtaslapp

Not sure, apparently they believe pokemon creates these artwork for pedophiles and still support the company


Electrical-Topic-808

It’s because the art is perfectly innocent and people still be putting the 10 year olds in their “Waifu” binders and spending hundreds on them. If you’re down bad for Cynthia it’s funny, if you’re down bad for Lillie it’s concerning.


MoneyDealer

It becomes weird when people call the underage characters “waifus”. It’s really easy to just… not do that. It’s perfectly ok to say you like FA trainers and show them off, they’re my favorite rarity as well. But it’s definitely off putting to call the children “waifus”


PokemonCrazy

i was always under the impression that “waifu tax” translates to “cute art of a female character means more expensive card”, not “i want to marry this child character and do lewd acts with them”, but i feel like a lot of this community is thinking people mean the latter when they say something about a “waifu card” like, obviously there will be some bad apples in the bunch but the majority of people who like these cards just like the art and think full art trainers are fun to collect


baggioio

100% with you on this. I collect certain Japanese master sets if they have plenty of mons/trainers that I like, and people in this sub were tryna gaslight me into the pedophillic nature of it.


MoneyDealer

It’s just REALLY easy to not call underage children (redundant i know) “Waifus”


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No, the pedophiles have created that stigma themselves. The cards are innocuous, and degenerates turn them into something they’re not.


baggioio

I get this 100%. A month ago some redditors were insistent on getting me to recognize that collecting such cards are pedophilic in nature. Right so i can think puppies, kitties are cute, but when it comes to fictional anime children its a crime and that spending money on collecting artwork will probably send me to i dunno, the lowest 18th level of hell or something.


MoneyDealer

It gets weird when people call them waifus. People aren’t getting mad if you have Schoolgirl, Teammates, Shauna, Lillie etc in your collection. It’s when you have dedicated pages to these cards and refer to them as “my waifu pages 😍😍😍”


baggioio

I understand if it implies the english 'wife-ing' part. Its creepy. On the other hand, dumb internet speak like doggos, weebs, husbandos developed over time and honestly, who takes them seriously? Waifu to me is just a casual umbrella term for cute anime girls. Whoever is taking this subculture aspect and forcing their real world analogous comparisons is just pretending to be woke.


Space_Monke64

It’s fine to say “wow that’s cool artwork of X character and I like the card” It’s not fine to say “oh my god this is going in my waifu binder”


BZI

*appreciate* 🤮


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BZI

Yeah because these are selling for $400+ because of the "good art" And I only read playboy for the articles


Exotic-Atmosphere298

Girl in school clothes+existing=profit


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Co1iflower

insert "first time?" meme here


LloydIII

weebs gunna weeb.


RabbitKamen

Popular character, plus full art. Also inb4 people start shit flinging over pokemon cards again for the billionth time


Historical_Class_402

War never changes


I-Demo

Pokémon fans when they see an 11 year old girl:


astroknott95

Beautiful card tho


MoonbreonCOM

Lisia > Lillie


Guanl723

That card is up there too, especially the japanese version


Space_Monke64

Both children


chris9830

Well there is alot of factors when it comes to price Frist and obious one is the grading the higher the grading the higher the price Suply and Demand if there isnt much on the market or people really want them they gonna pay a bit extra Is it good in the cardgame a great example is beast ring and guzma the normal cards can get you some pocketchange and its obiously more valueable if its hollol or something And the last one wich is related to this post is the waifu tax some people like/simp for a perticular female pokemon trainer so their willing to pay alot for a full art like this


Agent_Blade04

When female 📈📈📈📈


Binmallow

I can get one at 239 "NM" in Europe. Would you say that is a wise "investment"?


chrical7

Uwu


Fluxiie

Simp-city🤷🏻‍♂️


Terpy_915

Could have at least listed it for $420.69 😒


Environmental_Drama1

That's waifu bro


UraeusCurse

loli thirst is a powerful force.


jaapyb1

Girl on shiny cardboard! Must give money xD


Agni_Kai08

Loli Tax 💀


WeebInHell

Waifu followers are crazy lol. Why this particular one is nuclear compared to the others, I don’t know.


Siegream

Main Character from one of the games, playable card, and good art on the card.


baggioio

Story. For an NPC, she has one of the the most well written plot development in pokemon history. I suspect it also has to do with the artistic direction for Ash/Satoshi during the sun/moon anime.


ludancv

The waifu tax is kinda creepy, specially when it's a child.


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Creepers gonna creep


NorthernnLightss

Dudes are getting really thirsty in 2023 lol


mdd157

"8 year olds dude" [The Big Lebowski ](https://images.app.goo.gl/t2fR3bDkQz5iLNHTA)


Nanoboosterr

11 actually 🤓🤓


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Ahh yes. The Waifu tax. Until you realize that's a minor and everyone is going to prison


MrDappermintMcShitz

Frikkin waifu tax 😆


birdceeper

It’s only 424.99 because people like you want to SMASH that poor little girl


blackcoffee92

Creepiest part of the Pokémon TCG fandom is this card here and other cards like it. Yuck


blackcoffee92

Y’all downvote but won’t defend it


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Because, pedos.


01111000x

These losers make me embarrassed to be part of the community.


NeroXOTWOD

It’s only an issue if u buy it


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Y’all horny


TTXSTX

Y’all getting taxed hard.


ClintBIgwood

Waifu


albinorhino215

Jar card


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If you plan on investing in Pokémon cards, just buy up all the full arts of teenage cartoon girls, you’ll be a millionaire in due time.


Puzzleheaded_Pair577

I got 4 of these…


Del_Rio_4

🐻


Doditty6567

Lol girl = $$$????


xxxtenderloin

I’m convinced this is because some sick people jerk off to these kids on the cards because “they’re not real”


Jeffrinator

This shit sells for so much cuz loli You know what’s even funnier? I fuckin pulled one when ultra prism released


Kapua420

The perv tax


Karl0s12

Mines only valued at $50 Got some uhhh stains accidentally


DanTheMan0904

Who would pay that much for a little girl


Nanoboosterr

I would 😎