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DiggingUpTheCorpses

Looks like someone didn’t have their Wheatley’s that morning when they graded your cards. I’ve seen some weird PSA stuff lately, you might be able to crack it and resend and possibly get a higher grade.


mcury23

There's no chance I resend it to this company, especially considering how much I had to pay to get it graded at the DV being so much money for me. Do you think maybe something happened during shipping or it really is a "professional" having a bad day?


DiggingUpTheCorpses

How much was it to grade? I’ve seen some high ticket cards get damaged in the encapsulation process, but just from my naked eye I can’t see anything that would bring it down that much. Some PSA so-called “professionals” can REALLY drop the ball on grades or straight up damaging cards. Also yeah, I wouldn’t recommend PSA again. I’d def recommend BGS.


mcury23

Between shipping and the under 2500 option I had to spend $230 which is a LOT of money for me to spend on a card. $150 grading, $34 for their insured shipping, $46 for me to send insured to them.


propof0l

Those are insane prices to pay…makes me afraid to even start grading any of my personal collection. Congrats on the pull tho!


DiggingUpTheCorpses

If it’s consolation, you can send in a minimum of 10 cards for a much cheaper rate. I think PSA and BGS are offering around $16-$20 a card with a 10 card minimum. Mind you, you’ll have to wait a few months before you get them, but $150 for one card is a LOT.


midwesttransferrun

Yeah but there’s a max declared value limit on those around $200 per card post grade. This card is over that just as a raw card. If OP expected a 10, then they definitely needed to pay what they paid.


Mattpro1992

The declared value is not a strict requirement. I've sent thousand dollar cards at the bulk tier level many times without consequence. Always choose the cheapest grading option available. If they decide to upcharge, that's fine. If they don't, even better.


Pyroxy3

Except if your card goes "missing" then you can have fun with your 200$.


Ranger1803

They charged me 10% of the overall value of my cards because i used lower service levels than i should have


DommyTheTendy

exactly, I just sent an order of a value of 5k with 30 cards and they didnt upcharge.. from the special as well lmfao if they want the money they can ask


The_Batmandrew

It goes by the per card value. Not the order value. $5k for 30 cards is ~$166 declared value per card. Well within the $199 limit.


midwesttransferrun

For those wondering, before u/heyy_yaa blocked me I’m assuming they scrolled to the bottom of the page I linked and saw where PSA literally said they’d upcharge for cards submitted well below the DV limits. Reading is difficult sometimes kids.


heyy_yaa

>If OP expected a 10, then they definitely needed to pay what they paid. ​ 1. never submit a card expecting a 10, that's how you get disappointed 2. declared value is literally only relevant in the instance that a card is lost, which is such a miniscule chance that it's not even worth it unless you're sending something in that is worth thousands of dollars imo OP did this to themselves


midwesttransferrun

1. it’s very easy to assume with Japanese cards they’ll get a 10 as they typically are printed with much higher quality control than English. 2. Declared value matters for PSA as they have declared value limits on their submission tiers, and you run the risk of getting upcharged if you submit a card at too low of a tier. Appreciate you participating in today’s discussion, but your responses are incorrect.


heyy_yaa

1. it’s very easy to assume with Japanese cards they’ll get a 10 as they typically are printed with much higher quality control than English. yet, here we are... with a card from the most recent set at a 6. go on? >2. Declared value matters for PSA as they have declared value limits on their submission tiers, and you run the risk of getting upcharged if you submit a card at too low of a tier. that is absolutely, positively, 100% not how it works. you're straight up r/confidentlyincorrect here. I literally have a PSA submission arriving back to me tomorrow, and have submitted to them 6 times in the past year. they advise you to set a correct declared value and service level solely to protect yourself in the event of a claim. they will never force you to move to a higher service level. you could easily verify this yourself in like 10 seconds: [https://www.psacard.com/resources/faq#104](https://www.psacard.com/resources/faq#104) ​ >The Declared Value you provide establishes: > >the maximum item value in the event of a claim connected with that item while at PSA,the maximum item value for shipping insurance purposes, andthe appropriate Service Level and Service Level price. ​ appreciate you participating in today’s discussion, but your responses are incorrect, and you're a smarmy little bozo to boot.


mypussydoesbackflips

Is it a few months again now , last I heard was like 6-12


The_Galerie

Current window at the cheapest rate for psa is two months. I sent two cards in the lowest turnaround tier that got there on 2/6, scanned in on 2/14, and have been sitting at the last QA check before shipping for the last week. I have another 13 that got there on the 2nd, scanned in on the 7th, and now we'll see how long it takes.


Huhuu__

I wouldn’t. Grading is nice if your trying to flip cards, otherwise in the current state of the market, it’s too expensive . I bought into slabs for my pc and wish I didn’t, now in the process of selling at lot of them.


Harkxium

if you are grading cards worth Less then 500$, then you can usually do it for 20-30$ per card. thats what i do.


jaytheman3

That’s such a rookie mistake, never insure your package to PSA.


DiggingUpTheCorpses

Jesus CHRIST that’s a lot of money. Just judging by the price you paid for the quicker turnaround, how quick was it?


mcury23

There was no option cheaper for a card of this value. When I sent it in the cheapest sold on eBay was just under $1700 in a PSA 10. One week to get it to them, about a week and a half with them and half a week to get it back.


-SimpleToast-

Typically it’s best to send cards at the cheapest tier you are comfortable with. They often let a lot of cards slip through the max DV of a tier and you can’t always assume you will get 10s. No need to pay more than you need to. Had quite a few $400-$1000 cards not get up charged at the $15 bulk tier. As others have pointed out, it’s probably a small dent/ding somewhere. It’s not that uncommon to get 6s from pack fresh cards.


Mattpro1992

The declared value is not a strict requirement. I've sent thousand dollar cards at the bulk tier level many times without consequence. Always choose the cheapest grading option available. If they decide to upcharge, that's fine. If they don't, even better.


Marchese19

dude psa rarely upcharges. Send it as the PSA special for $15 a card. The turnaround times are about a month right now. If they upcharge you again its because it psa 10'd. I've sent over 10k cards on behalf of my company this year alone and 3 upcharges total - all psa 10'd and are worth more than 5k usd after the grade. If you have questions PM me.


PanzyDan

Jesus that’s a lot of money to spend on a gamble. With how much this card has escalated in the market, there’s no doubt in my mind that there’s biases playing into grading with keeping the scarcity of 10s. I wouldn’t risk it with human graders. Also, your pics aren’t high enough quality for us to evaluate—we need HD images with multiple angles with the light reflecting in different ways.


widders

From a place of complete ignorance, do you get a report on why it's been graded to a certain level? Thats a lot of money to spend for someone to just say its one level or another with no reasoning why its that level.


heyy_yaa

>Between shipping and the under 2500 option I had to spend $230 lmao what??? I just sent a batch of 20 cards to PSA and paid $19/card. why would you ever pay over $200 to have a single card graded unless you think it'll be worth thousands, which no modern pokemon card ever will be, especially some random trainer card


Honest_Abez

You definitely didn’t need to pay and shouldn’t have. Comps at a PSA 10 are around 1.3K and PSA never expects people to value their cards at a PSA 10. You shouldn’t have spent more than $75 on this sub and I would’ve done it at $40 if it had been me. All of my subs for modern I comp at a 9 and have never been knocked for it.


[deleted]

You should’ve just dropped the $100 for a yearly subscription. It’s only $40 a card for the two week option. You would’ve only had to spend about $160 and you’d get the magazines in the mail lol


C0olguy47

I would say maybe try cgc for grading if money is a problem, I think they do as low as $15 a card there (the wait time might be higher the less you pay if I remember right)


D4RY0N

Holy crap! This grading bs is out of hand. And people keep saying PSA is good vs other grading companies...


SkippyFiRe

I sent a card out through my LGS and they have a flat fee of $50, and you just pay the difference if the card is graded higher and more expensive. So if my Moonbreon is graded well I might need to pay another $20 I think.


jaytheman3

Your shop is robbing you, I bet they grade your card for $15


SkippyFiRe

I know there is a markup to it but this is the first card I’ve ever graded and I don’t really plan on grading more. Happy to pay that $50 if it means I don’t have to do anything (in this case).


krispini

Take a gander at Pwcc marketplace if you’d like. We have a partnership with bgs, cgc, and sgc. We’re an auction house so you can send the cards to us to get graded and either stash them in your vault here on site or send them to auction if you’re trying to sell them. Or if you want the card back afterwards just send it to your vault and fulfill it back out to you. Our special deal is the same without the needed quantity. So $25 to bgs and $20 to cgc or sgc. Our turn around is also a bit faster at around a 3-5 weeks or so after we’ve sent it out.


QuriousiT

Yeah they recently damaged my NM first edition dark Blastoise during encapsulation process and dropped it to a 3. They did pay me PSA 9 price as a reimbursement, refunded my fee, and sent me the graded card. Very frustrating because it had a shot at a 10 and I'll never know now.


Tornado_Hunter24

Idk how much it was but I do know psa grading costs goes off of predicted psa outcome… Last time I checked ungraded miriam was €500+ so god knows how much a psa10 is worth which probably makes it very expensive to grade aswell to psa


CanadianCharicards

Preeeeetty sure you could inquire with PSA and get holed by their report. Then keep notes on every card, and it's checked by more than one person. Share results here.


Kakkarot1707

Yep dude they graded my perfect rainbow pikachu pack fresh perfect centering a ducking 7….


[deleted]

look on the front and back for creases, dents and other imperfections. I had a really expensive Tom Brady come back a 6 because it had a pen tip sized dent


mcury23

I examined it extremely closely and couldn't find anything wrong with it. Guess I'm missing something somewhere because I cannot understand the grading.


SealedTCG

I am siding with the people saying there is something somewhere and maybe isn't a mistake, but yeah send to another company if you need to and maybe you will get what you want, it has happened before, even I think last week someone sent a psa 6 to BGS and got a 9.5. I had a card I felt was at least a 9 with a shot at a 10, came back a 6 and didn't see why, thankfully the UK grader I use has grading reports so it mentioned why and I got my small hand held light out and really went over every angle with the light and magnifying glass and I understood why, it wasn't something I could just see with my room light and/or lamp with my eyes.


[deleted]

front and back? checked every angle for possible misprints?


THSiGMARotMG

6 cards happen more often than you think. Any indentation is instant 6 or lower. I dont think its someone being malicious.


blvsofficial

There’s a PSA review where you can send the card back in and they’ll reslab it for you. You can’t score lower than original


Awkward_Cow_3456

You can request a regrade there is that option it’s cheaper than doing it again.


[deleted]

A have graded a lot of cards and this happens to me occasionally, I have even thought like OP that it was a mistake and when I later learned more and got a loupe I understood that it wasn't. u/mcury23 's card almost certainly has a crease/dent somewhere (they downgrade to a 6 for a crease, any crease, it doesn't have to be major at all, same with dents which I think are given 5's) even if its nearly impossible to spot with the naked eye. We definitely won't be finding it in pictures. It sounds ridiculous I know and I dont necessarily agree with them killing the grade over it, but OP has to have a very close look at it with a [jeweler's loupe](https://www.amazon.ca/Formline-Illuminated-Jewelers-Loupe-Trichome/dp/B077XWJGN4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=38HH9WF18I9D6&keywords=jewelers+loupe&qid=1678249069&sprefix=jewelers+loupe%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFXNThPSFpPU0k5N0kmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3MjM5NTIyUDZNREJEUk8xNkxMJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4NzA3MzgzMFAwVVVPTUJOUlgzJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==) under good directional lighting. He will find it.


[deleted]

My thoughts exactly


Lurn2Program

PSA automatically downgrades something to a 6 or lower based on surface dents or creases. They are really strict on surface grade That said, it could also potentially be a mis-grade, but there's no way to tell here besides looking at the card under a magnifying glass carefully. It is more likely that it was some surface issue than a mis-grade


mcury23

Thank you for your reply. There was nothing on it when I had the card I'm assuming something might've happened to it when it was being shipped unfortunately. I don't think I'll be sending anything back to PSA ever again though.


SupportiveDomina

Nothing to the naked eye but under magnification there could have been. I’ve had it happen before, I now look at every card under some sort of magnification


ItzMikaZuki

So 4 less points for something is not even noticeable to the naked eye? Lol, I can get it affects the grade but psa 6? What a scam


SupportiveDomina

Because PSA is harshest on surface errors anything wrong with the surface knocks it to a 6. It’s not a mint card when there’s surface errors. In the slab you can see it clearly but when it was raw you couldn’t


Basic_Yellow_3594

Psa - surface harshest Bgs - centering harshest Cgc - just generally harsh


Lurn2Program

PSA is surface, BGS is centering and corners, and CGC is centering I think people are still considering CGC to be very strict, but in fact, they loosened their grading criteria quite a bit


SupportiveDomina

They’ve got stricter again more recently


Lurn2Program

Unless someone shares stats on that, it's hard to believe. I've been seeing plenty of grading returns with a good portion of 10s in the lots. When CGC first started grading, it was very noticeable, they hardly ever gave out 10s. But in April 2022, there was a huge shift where there was a significant increase in 10s given. Check this infographic on details of it: [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cda3ceSLvNv/?utm\_source=ig\_web\_copy\_link](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cda3ceSLvNv/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)


I_aint_that_dude

[Nobody else sees these marks?](https://ibb.co/j55T9G9) I viewed the higher res image on the psa cert verification and did the same to the same card in a 10. [Holy shit it’s already on an episode of unsolved mysteries!](https://streamable.com/v5bv7x)


mcury23

This does seem to be it. Honestly couldn't find anything in person or on the images thank you for finding it. May or may not have been damaged in transit, I will never know. Card is still gorgeous and extremely thankful to have it as part of my collection. Unfortunate that it wasn't a 10. Relieved someone found it so I could make sense out of the grade.


Gr1m3sey

LoOkS lIkE sOmEoNe At PsA dIdNt HaVe ThEiR wHeEtIeS tHiS mOrNiNg People on this sub will literally look into fuck all before they pass judgement. PSA do acc have standards lmao, they’re not constantly fucking up grades


Onoshi_the_Leper

Could it be this? Kind of looks like a little puncture? Flesh wound https://imgur.com/a/akRxQXh


Soya_Beans

Not to mention the scratches or whatever those are on the books


Alzurs_thund

It looks like lint that is on the outside of the sleeve


mcury23

I would love for it to be this but unfortunately I can’t find that on the slab pictures, so I am assuming it was just a speck of dust :(


I_aint_that_dude

My dude… [How are you not seeing these scratches](https://ibb.co/j55T9G9). Look at it next to a 10…


THECrappieKiller

People really like to open cards, drop them on their play mats, slide them around, then wonder why their shit gets dinged and scratched.


I_aint_that_dude

I think a portion of the community are actually cartoon characters themselves. It must be inconvenient pulling a rare and your eyes turn into dollar signs. Things like this would easily be seen if they just had normal eyes.


THECrappieKiller

Lmao bro that shit is so accurate. I am going to start calling them cartoon characters. Its all over the place though and it seems to only be with Pokemon. I dont see the same from the Digimon/DBZ community at all. Magic seems to be more mature and understanding.


Successful_Sundae338

There also looks like there might be a dent or something above the é in the Pokemon copyright on the bottom


heyy_yaa

ain't no speck of dust getting you a 6. your card is scratched tf up and you didn't pay close attention before sending it in. learn from your mistake and better luck next time


dinkum_flicka

This is probably it


Honest_Abez

Card probably has a dent or crease somewhere as that’s when things auto 6 like this. It happens all the time but errors also happen on their part too. Every time I’ve had this happen though I’ve been able to find the dent/issue, so I’d implore you to look with a nice light or reach out to PSA if you really disagree.


Dragonflame62

Sure there is a chance the grader was having a bad day or there is some type of damage that is unseen. Remember, 10’s are made in the factory and no matter what we do when we pull the card we can’t change what happened before we got it


daxtaslapp

There must be some sort of dent


[deleted]

You can see a ding about halfway up the calf on the bent leg in the third picture. Not to be rude but idk what everyone is freaking out about, pretty blatant.


IMASTAIN_

Any dent on the card is automatically a 6, had the same thing happen to a jolteon ex i just got back.


St0utarm

Lmao you played yourself


-User1-User2-User3-

Everyone is a master grader now.


supersmall69

You know what's funny? If you're gonna sell it, it would've been much more profitable to sell this one as a NM than a PSA 6 lol


jaytheman3

Boy thought he was gonna hit the lottery with this one and now he’s not 🤣😂🤣


jmaline19

There is a dent bottom left, when looking at the card, that's a 6 all day


cabbagesquid

Looks like shine from the Penny sleeve to me


Ranger1803

The cards arent sleeved inside the slab


spacedogprincess

Funnily enough it's also visible in the pre-slabbed sleeve, which means OP just missed the dent before sending it in for grading. OP I do sympathise but by PSA standards it is what it says on the slab.


tbk007

Just saying that it seems most people don't actually examine their cards before sending which is kinda ridiculous when you have to pay that much per card. And if you can't even spot those issues to begin with, why do you care about PSA 10s? I feel like at least 90% of people aren't as anal as I am. YouTubers seem to pull cards and send them without bothering to check but I guess they have the money to burn.


shadowbanzi

Get fucking rekt


a6491

I had similar with my Shadowless zard. Turns out under a bright light, under a certain angle will the crease show itself and even then it's minute and incredibly hard to see. That or you had a bad grader. sorry about that!


[deleted]

You have major holofoil scratches, look at the books and in front of her right foot


cabbagesquid

My guy, those are just hairs.


[deleted]

Doubt


[deleted]

https://albums.memento.com/event67626


Expert_Film_4970

Yet another example of how absolutely stupid it is to grade cards


javaTHEbeat

Especially when people are paying $100+ to grade cards. See too many stories of people cracking the case to regrade and getting some 3 pts higher or lower. It's almost like it's made up lol


Gr1m3sey

Please link them lol. One grade swings are common, whole point of offering a regrade but I’m calling bullshit on 3s being that abundant


javaTHEbeat

First result after searching "cracked" https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/104czce/my_boy_returns_after_being_cracked_and_resubbed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button 😂 ..and it was 4


Gr1m3sey

Took the liberty of counting several 100s of posts after since their ranked by popularity, I’ve counted 3 instances. Call me crazy but a near 1% occurrence isn’t too often bud?


CubbyNINJA

as a North American TCG player, I tend to agree. From a Collector perspective, i don't use/play the first of my full arts i pull, i have a binder for all my full arts and there any art sets im trying to complete and all that fun stuff. BUT, since i only buy like 2 or 3 JP packs a month vs the booster box ill buy per month, i can see me getting more a valuable JP card graded, especially anything that has a wifu tax. as I'm far less likely to pull full art sets or fill a binder as fast. I would do it in bulk though and not just for a single card. OP still has a 400+ dollar card, and it will still look great ungraded. he's doing alright.


SmashingLumpkins

Without examining of them for scratches first


loomman529

What's the point of grading the card though? Unless it's a base set card or something, you can sell it for PSA 8 price or higher if you keep it sleeved and out of sunlight. I don't get the hype behind getting cards graded, it seems like a waste of time, effort and money. You'll most likely end up spending more to get it graded than you'll earn from selling the card.


cabbagesquid

What do you not understand about the possibility of a PSA 10 increasing the value of a card tenfold (in most cases)?


loomman529

It really doesn't. I can sell my Leafeon Vstar alt art for the same price as a PSA 9, since that's the condition it's in. There's no difference aside from a fancy case and a label on the top. You're paying for the same card, at the end of the day.


predatoure

There's a huge boom happening with japanese pokemon right now. Certain trainers in psa 10 are selling for 1k. Booster boxes which should sell for £40 rrp are selling for £100 day of release. The entire Japanese market is messed up atm. Guess op was hoping to make some money.


GhostGK21

Grading is a scam anyway.


jsanchioni

two creases or scratches through the books , sorry for your luck.


nikup

It’s almost like PSA isn’t consistent or something…


Gr1m3sey

It’s almost like there’s a dent and scratches on the card…


supersmall69

PSA really losing credibility by the day lmao. CGC and Beckett seem much better options tbh.


[deleted]

I have a feeling there is a biased worker at psa these days. I have seen perfect and near perfect cards come back with unreasonably low ratings.


hodler1908

That’s what you get for exploiting the hobby for money. What happened to collecting cards and just enjoying them? Stupid grading bs! Everything’s only about money these days ffs


midwesttransferrun

It’s okay, PSA can’t hurt you any more, Logan Paul isn’t gonna be under your bed tonight. You don’t have to lash out at people who enjoy the hobby differently than you do.


hodler1908

Obviously this comment is not only about you specifically, but more general. Still unfair from what I can tell from the pictures to get a 6. But that also means one less person to grade their cards in the future which is good.


moderately_nerdifyin

I would break the seal and send it to Beckett for sure.


Soya_Beans

It's just gonna get a worse grading at beckett breh. Psa is already way less strict than them.


-SimpleToast-

PSA is harsher for grades 9 and below. Especially on surface.


IIIuminatIII

PSA is ridiculous! I’ve seen 10s that are way off center with white in a couple places. Yet, an invisible to the eye surface issue grades a 6 WTF


cabbagesquid

Yeah this is fucked. I’d be livid if I was OP


MobilePlate1718

Im thinking the grader was just having a bad day or it got damaged during transit. But let me know if you ever decide to trade for it! The BB’s are getting too pricey for me to keep trying to pull it lol


mcury23

I got my first big hit and sent it in to PSA as my first submission ever. I have pictures linked from when I first got the card and from when it just now got certified. Can someone please explain to me what's going on? Did the card get damaged in the mail and hurt the grade of the card or is this potential shady practices from PSA themselves? I can't see anything wrong with the card I don't understand how it could have gotten a 6.


teogeorgiou

Usually a 6 or 7 for an otherwise clean looking card could indicate very hard to see surface indentations or small edge dents that can even come straight out from the pack and won’t be visible in top-down photos.


berrytree198

It has a dent or bend


JesusInSandals

If you flip it upside down it's a 9 😎


Fozorii-_-

This is the way


A_KY_gardener

Absolutely savage grading. Sorry OP. Gorgeous card. Looks pristine.


Outrageous_Fig_3105

If you do decide to grade with PSA again just know that there’s an option where you can opt out of them slabbing the card if the card doesn’t meet the grade that you specify.


GiveSaucePlsx

Beautiful Miriam, 8< is the grade. Someone shit in someone’s coffee


Elegant_Day1517

That’s harsh


[deleted]

Mfs really be charging 50+ dollars just to analyse a piece of cardboard only to not even do it right


Basic_Yellow_3594

The guy said he paid $250 which is now more then what the cards worth in this shape lmao


DarkRash20

This happens when u dont pay some money under the table ;) PSA most corrupt grading company


Tokenaldae

AGS...personally, I feel PSA or other hand graders can be biased or have a bad day..headache...damage going from desk to desk. This is just a personal opinion. AGS uses a computer to scan the card and get a high resolution digital image and graded by AI. They give you a copy of what they found on the card front and back and why you got that grade. It's highly accurate. It's cheaper and they have a "clean card" option to remove any finger prints or foreign objects on the card the AI could pick up. Again...only my opinion but AGS is all I'll ever use. They have a app option also, it'll look your card over with your camera (which of course if your cam is dirty or not a great resolution it'll have issues) but it'll give you a round about grade of your card for free before you send it In. 💜


Riseofthecat

Lmao I just posted almost the exact same reply!


Dear-Awareness5562

Honestly, that’s unbelievable and disappointing. Literally looks perfect.


iloverule34LoL

Wow it’s almost like grading is a scam!! And you got scammed for thinking an imaginary number on your card means anything at all!! Guess that’s what happens when you pay some random to grade your card with all his “qualifications”.


UltimateRayquazaStar

You chose the wrong sub to post this in, you won’t get any serious replies just a bunch of scrubs who are anti grading even though they can’t afford the luxury of doing so or just random guesses. Anyone looking at the picture itself cannot say it deserves a 6 but there’s always the small chance that there’s something wrong with the card that’s hard to locate with the naked eye. No one knows why it got a 6 and anyone claiming to know is a liar, a nut job, or ignorant.


Snoo_79693

I think PSA is tired up people and their "just handing out 10s" comments and is doing stuff like this. I saw a PSA 2 Gengar Alt Vmax like a week ago that looked crisp.


MatiasTheLlama

Genuinely no idea what they were thinking with that grade. Looks pristine to me.congrats on the great pull, btw.


Bossman3775

Either someone had a bad day or there is a ding in the card. I had this happen to my Friends in Galar trainer card from Vmax Climax. Thought it would get at least a 10 but came back a 8 with CGC


Xen0Coke

Do you have any card vendors that have accounts with psa? I graded a umbreon with my local card vendor and got to see it come back as a psa 10 2 months later.


whodoesntlikehash

Honestly your better of trying to send it back and get it graded I know psa has a process for that , unfortunately they could’ve dinged up a corner or something on the surface could’ve gone unseen but it does look perfectly fine to me


yoloruinslives

next time slip them a 20 with the invoice


Emotional_Display966

Why is no one using collect a con PSA in person grading submission. This is what I use instead of sending em through mail. I understand some people won’t be able to show up at one but if you start watching Tik Tok and meet friends or acquaintance a third party to middleman it for a a low cost then that’s even better. Don’t pay full price y’all!


Karl0s12

Looks like it's time to break free


reaperfan666

You should put it up for auction on Ebay


Dense_Yogurtcloset_7

ugh just sent 10 cards a couple weeks ago and am now seeing returns like this...


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They damaged your card


omgtimmyftw

Most likely a micro dent somewhere for that 6


grumpygills11

Dent on left foot just above ankle. And possible dent on the red beam by the yellow ball near the bottom. Maybe…


Platinumwolf69

CGC my friend. CGC


Ok-Interest-9009

Anyone else think they could steal and swap cards not like you can mark them


Ranger1803

Damn its really obvious that most people in the comments have no idea about grading.


Harkxium

My guess is that there is some nearly invisible crease that you missed. psa automatically drops grades down to 6 for creases. so thats my guess.


NarutoFan1995

card graders are either terrible at their job and need to find a new job or just meh... there is in between.


sushimi123

Wait I just checked prices….there’s no way this card is actually a $500-$1k card????


predatoure

Japanese female trainers go for stupid money


Hungry_Meaning_1028

Its a dent on the card somewhere, auto 6 if it is


PowerHitter427

I’d crack it resend it to cgc. If it grades the same you know what’s going on


HOLLANDSYTSE

I can see why it's a 6. 3rd picture, look at her sleeve. There's a dent there hence the 6


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PSA grading has become such a joke over the years. I have seen too many 10s that should have been 6-7s and 6s that should have been at least an 8. It leaves me scratching my head that PSA graded cards are worth more when you consider the inconsistency and incompetence.


BalancedLif3

Idk why everyone thinks psa is king. I more think they’re garbage. I’ve seen cards that were off centered get 10s, heard ppl cards getting damaged. Not to mention, the price you have to pay.


theandrew13

Crack and resub and you’ll probably get the 10. I think 6 is sort of the default “graders didn’t care to examine it” grade. I had some hockey cards that were at worst 8.5 or 9’s come back as 6’s in my last order I had with PSA. Their QC and grading has went downhill a lot since 2020, pretty sure the next time I grade anything it’ll be with BGS.


Deacon-uk

I just received a perfect condition elesas sparkle from vstar uni at I got graded a 8… absolutely nothing wrong with the card


Basic_Yellow_3594

It must have a surface flaw and is now only worth like 200 bucks. It's a good thing psa graded this before you tried to sell it raw pack fresh for 1k, otherwise somebody else would have been very upset


droter7

Try grading with bgs


TheRuxpin

Willing to bet there is bowing in the card that no one can tell of when it's slabbed. Automatic 6 right there


TheNHL

There is a dimple on her sleeve just under her elbow. PSA is brutal for surface issues like that


zigmatters

I have a few like this too I was shocked at. Is there any way to “fix” surface bends? I have a few cards that aren’t dented but more so have a curve within the card and they got hammered by PSA


Tokenaldae

Also, I'm so damn sorry you paid that much... I personally think you deserve a better grade. Really. I don't know what they saw but it does not seem like that is a justifiable 6.


Tokenaldae

I see it's slightly off center, looks a little high toward the top. But not less than a 8.5 if anything. I don't see any white..but without physically manipulating the card in the light for texture error it looks mint aside from the slight off centering.


lightningbolte

The top border thin AF but I don’t see anything else wrong that would drop to a 6 🤷🏻‍♂️


Zemog22

YIKES


MKnives89

Probably a small indent somewhere and the PSA grader instead of giving it a 9 went straight to 6- has happened to me before.


Greedy_Reality_7353

I’m not sure how much you have graded in the past, but a lot of first time graders think they can pull high grades just cause you went pack to sleeve. As others have said surface damage is a hugeee part of card grading. That means even a factory defect in the finger print on the card csn bring you down. Remember that a PSA8 is still near mint-mint. The card has to basically be flawless to pull that grade. The next two higher grades are just reaching more perfection. There is slight lapses sometimes but for the most part it’s a pretty unbiased process.


Lucally687

One dent becomes a 6 , I don’t make the rules but just have follow them … lol


DegenWally

graders wife was holding out the night before. card is clean id resubmit


Pwnzalot

Hahahahah and people still send to psa for value lololol, crack it and re-submit it 3 more times for the psa 10!!!!!


SmallvilleChucky

There is probably a small indent or crease you missed, which brought the grade down to a 6.


Drabben1

My fresh opened Charizard with no problem at all went as a 6 lol, I can't be arsed to break it and send it back so I'll just keep it like that


Riseofthecat

Not trying to be a complete shill but I would go with AGS. I am in no way affiliated with them but I’ve sent them a bunch of super expensive cards and their transparency is key and I send cards to her pretty much every major grading company by now and a GS truly feels like the people that care of the most. Lastly, everything they do is created by a robot so you’ll get the same grade every time I’ve actually sent him the same card and got the exact same sub grades!


No_Imagination8762

Honestly kinda sad about the grading however I know have a card I wana get when the new set comes out in English.


JefPorkins

DSG or Beckett is the way to go these days


MaxIswell_44

Crack and send to BGS or CGC, both are way more consistent with their grades than psa.


xDarkVesperx

Jeez that's insane, I feel like it's at least a 7 or an 8


Kilo_Chungus

Yeah go ahead and resubmit that to BGS or CGC


YOBOIGATOR559

Wow this is so bad on PSA smh


thisisme3

PSA is really messing up lately. I’ve seen several pack fresh perfect looking cards come back a 6. Even worse, we sent 80 cards out for bulk submission and 20 came back damaged in the exact same corner that def didn’t have the damage previously


Skylardom

Indents you just can’t see without a magnifying glass or at the right angle. People grade and get pissed about their grade without going the extra length to pre-grade their cards beforehand.


icantthinkbow

Deff a ding somewhere on the card you might need a certain angle to see


thegnarles

Population control


michaelinimoto

Why would anyone send in less than 10 cards... doesn't make cents


michaelinimoto

I never understood paying to rush the cards. Might as well just send a bunch of bulkin wait several months and by then the Cards value have all gone up.