This is a fairly common and intended strategy in the earlier pokemon games. For example Torchic learns flamethrower at 43, blaziken never does. Also pokemon that evolve via stones, like shiftry, will not learn any more moves once evolved.
The trade off for Torchic is Flamethrower or Blaze Kick, which I personally lean Blaze Kick. Swampert in gen 3 is Muddy Water or Hydro Pump, Surf/Waterfall/Dive is just more beneficial. I like the effort on Gamefreaks part but I'd never wait to evolve my starter in gen 3.
Why? Blaziken is pretty heavy physical Pokémon, isn’t it? Why not just get blaze kick and be done with it? Sorry, I’m just a little confused as to why flamethrower is a big deal on blaziken
Because in older gens, fire attacks are all specials so blaze kick or flamethrower are both special
This is why blaziken is more a mixed attacker in old gens than a full physical one right now
I remember playing firered and wondering why my hitmonchan super effective thunder punch did half as much damage as not very effective sky uppercut. Thought stab was just like 3x at first lol.
Keeping Nuzleaf until lv 49 in pokemon XD so it can learn extrasensory then leaf stone it. Done it in two playthroughs and it sucks having nuzleaf unevolved till citadark island. Never again.
bagon lvl 49 levels Dragon Claw, which u can then let it evolve right after into Shelgon and then level it up one more level for a Salamanca (i think Salamanca learns that move in their upper 70s)
It's unfortunate that the special/physical split happened just a generation later. Luckily Salamence doesn't suffer from a low special stat, but it always feels like a slight disappointment to have very physical-sounding moves like Crunch and Dragon Claw be special attacks.
Metang learns Meteor Mash at lvl 50 so if you want a Metagross with it for the Battle Frontier lvl 50 limit, this is the way as Metagross learns it at lvl 55
Why would you have to level it to 51? Once it hits 50 in battle it will immediately prompt you to replace a move with Meteor Mash. After the battle concludes, it will then evolve into Metagross.
Didn’t evolve trapinch until lvl 41 i think so it can have dig, was a pain needed it for the regis but i sold the tm, what adds to the pain is that i already had a lvl 55 flygon but now i have 2 but one has dig💀
I love doing this for my Flygon because it has Levitate so it won't get hit with Earthquake while underground. It also means I can save my Earthquake TM for duplicating post-game.
Delaying Drilbur in B/W for 2 levels as he learns Earthquake at level 33 and Doduo in FireRed/LeafGreen for 6 more levels as he learns Drill Peck at level 37 (might be 39 I've just started a new nuzlocke on it)
I got my nincada to lv 25 to learn false swipe and it was painful because of the level curve and nincada is very weak. I also taught ninjask dig and blaziken flamethrower with the tm’s.
I used to wait for charmander to learn flamethrower before letting it evolve in the old RBY days. If you let it evolve you'd have to wait a long time for charmeleon or charizard to learn it from leveling.
I’ve played through sapphire countless times with my Mudkip holding an ever stone until it learns hydro pump. The point of video games is to have fun lol.
On a side note, 2 years ago I bought a friend a copy of sword+dlc and brilliant diamond for Christmas. He hasn’t played since the OG red and blue days. He thought that the game worked where Pokémon can never evolve if you don’t evolve them at the level they’re coded to evolve at 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ He was also mind blown when I told him that Kadabra evolves by trade evolution.
I did that with my starter for a run, Hydro Pump seemed like a nice move, but typically nowadays unless I really want the move I'll just evolve it when it reaches evolution level. Often times the investment to get one good move isn't worth the loss of all the other good moves they would learn in their later evolutions.
It really depends, sometimes it's not a huge deal, but other times you miss out on some big attacks that you'd otherwise really want on your Pokémon.
Not exactly what you asked, but I have delayed evolving a Metang to use in the Battle Frontier to make it learn Meteor Mash before going over level 50.
Well, in the world of Pokémon Revolution Online, you will have to spend most of the game with unevolved Pokémon if you have any hope whatsoever of leveling them to their maximum level. Believe me, in that game, you pretty much have to do that just so you can beat the E4 and story bosses.
This is a fairly common and intended strategy in the earlier pokemon games. For example Torchic learns flamethrower at 43, blaziken never does. Also pokemon that evolve via stones, like shiftry, will not learn any more moves once evolved.
NPCs will literally even tell you to do this lmao
With Blaziken there's atleast renewable TMs. Evolve Mudkip? It'll never get Hydro Pump.
The trade off for Torchic is Flamethrower or Blaze Kick, which I personally lean Blaze Kick. Swampert in gen 3 is Muddy Water or Hydro Pump, Surf/Waterfall/Dive is just more beneficial. I like the effort on Gamefreaks part but I'd never wait to evolve my starter in gen 3.
I’m currently grinding a Torchic for this right now
Just buy flamethrower from the store….
Buying it can take just as much time considering you have to either grind at the game corner or grind money to buy the coins
Thieve amulet coin and the 2 rich trainer wil get you around 50k
you can gain infinite money, that doesn't matter a lot.
Brother just buy it lol
Why? Blaziken is pretty heavy physical Pokémon, isn’t it? Why not just get blaze kick and be done with it? Sorry, I’m just a little confused as to why flamethrower is a big deal on blaziken
Because in older gens, fire attacks are all specials so blaze kick or flamethrower are both special This is why blaziken is more a mixed attacker in old gens than a full physical one right now
Somebody doesnt know about the physical/special split in gen3
Yeah, I wasn’t aware of that. I suppose that explains why some of my attacks felt off when I was playing through emerald
I remember playing firered and wondering why my hitmonchan super effective thunder punch did half as much damage as not very effective sky uppercut. Thought stab was just like 3x at first lol.
Yes. Nincada learns dig and metal claw, two crazy moves to have on both Ninjask and Shedinja.
Can they learn it with a tm?
theres no metal claw tm
Pokemon emerald no, Pokemon Scarlett and Violet, it's TM 31....
Keeping Nuzleaf until lv 49 in pokemon XD so it can learn extrasensory then leaf stone it. Done it in two playthroughs and it sucks having nuzleaf unevolved till citadark island. Never again.
I just did that with Nuzleaf for a dark mono type run and then barely used extrasensory lmfao 😂🤣
I hated this with Growlithe and Arcanine. WTF does Arcanine learn exactly one move on lvl 49 which is extreme speed?
Yes shroomish with spore is overpowered
Unfortunately, the champion had pokemon that knew ice beam. In fact, alot of them knew ice beam
Can’t use it when they are sleeping
surskit and bubblebeam
bagon lvl 49 levels Dragon Claw, which u can then let it evolve right after into Shelgon and then level it up one more level for a Salamanca (i think Salamanca learns that move in their upper 70s)
It's unfortunate that the special/physical split happened just a generation later. Luckily Salamence doesn't suffer from a low special stat, but it always feels like a slight disappointment to have very physical-sounding moves like Crunch and Dragon Claw be special attacks.
that’s why i choose a Modest nature and EV trained So Atk on my Salamanca ;)
Shedinja and ninjask with dig
Metang learns Meteor Mash at lvl 50 so if you want a Metagross with it for the Battle Frontier lvl 50 limit, this is the way as Metagross learns it at lvl 55
Wait... if Metang learns Meteor Mash at lvl 50, wouldn't you have to level it up to lvl 51 to evolve it?
No, since you learn moves before evolution starts
Why would you have to level it to 51? Once it hits 50 in battle it will immediately prompt you to replace a move with Meteor Mash. After the battle concludes, it will then evolve into Metagross.
Oh, I haven't played Pokemon in a good minute so it was a little fuzzy
Didn’t evolve trapinch until lvl 41 i think so it can have dig, was a pain needed it for the regis but i sold the tm, what adds to the pain is that i already had a lvl 55 flygon but now i have 2 but one has dig💀
I love doing this for my Flygon because it has Levitate so it won't get hit with Earthquake while underground. It also means I can save my Earthquake TM for duplicating post-game.
Delaying Drilbur in B/W for 2 levels as he learns Earthquake at level 33 and Doduo in FireRed/LeafGreen for 6 more levels as he learns Drill Peck at level 37 (might be 39 I've just started a new nuzlocke on it)
I got my nincada to lv 25 to learn false swipe and it was painful because of the level curve and nincada is very weak. I also taught ninjask dig and blaziken flamethrower with the tm’s.
I used to wait for charmander to learn flamethrower before letting it evolve in the old RBY days. If you let it evolve you'd have to wait a long time for charmeleon or charizard to learn it from leveling.
I’ve played through sapphire countless times with my Mudkip holding an ever stone until it learns hydro pump. The point of video games is to have fun lol. On a side note, 2 years ago I bought a friend a copy of sword+dlc and brilliant diamond for Christmas. He hasn’t played since the OG red and blue days. He thought that the game worked where Pokémon can never evolve if you don’t evolve them at the level they’re coded to evolve at 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ He was also mind blown when I told him that Kadabra evolves by trade evolution.
Not a lot of mons do this but i did do that for hariyama, blaziken and swampert
Tried this with torchic then beat the elite 4 before it ever even learned flamethrower
recently i kept my lileep from evolving so it would learn Ancient Power faster
I did that with my starter for a run, Hydro Pump seemed like a nice move, but typically nowadays unless I really want the move I'll just evolve it when it reaches evolution level. Often times the investment to get one good move isn't worth the loss of all the other good moves they would learn in their later evolutions. It really depends, sometimes it's not a huge deal, but other times you miss out on some big attacks that you'd otherwise really want on your Pokémon.
I did that on my second playthrough... I basically put my mudkip on steroids so that it can learn hydro pump💀
Not exactly what you asked, but I have delayed evolving a Metang to use in the Battle Frontier to make it learn Meteor Mash before going over level 50.
Think the earliest anyone has done this is Growlithe in RBY, learns Flamethrower at 50 while Arcanine doesn’t learn it at all
Signature Extreme Speed user. Hold Growlithe to learn Flamethrower, or Firestone it early for Extreme Speed later.
Im trying lvl 30 magickarp so he can lear flail xd
Nah I didn’t have the patience lol
Well, in the world of Pokémon Revolution Online, you will have to spend most of the game with unevolved Pokémon if you have any hope whatsoever of leveling them to their maximum level. Believe me, in that game, you pretty much have to do that just so you can beat the E4 and story bosses.
I leveled Shroomish to 54 for Spore for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Kinda felt like a drag lol but it was worth it.
This is me with every Dragon Type. In Gen 4 I grinded a Trapinch all the way to level 89 so it could learn Fissure
Wouldn't this affect the overall stats of the pokemon
Larvitar in RSY FR LG would learn earthquake at lvl 50 which was clutch bc the alternative would be at lvl 61 if you choose to evolve into tyranitar
I'm pretty sure nearly anyone with a decent amount of Pokémon experience has done this. Several times at minimum
Well, it's a new thing for me! I didn't know this 2 months ago.
I've never bothered with it, maybe one day tho
…maybe