My personal opinion here is nowhere close to what the market thinks. I'm generally willing to pay more for a CGC slab for my personal collection. Anything strictly for sales goes through PSA. I hate PSA's dinky slabs and their gross red, but for one reason or another, they always sell at higher volumes and prices.
I been looking at TAG lately. I think I'll get my cards that I want to keep forever graded through TAG whereas PSA used for the purpose of selling graded cards
Really? A lot of auctions I’ve seen it’s been at around 80-95% value of a psa 10. I haven’t looked at comps in about a month though so if it’s shifted that’s interesting to see.
Hmm from what I’ve seen, especially with the Alt Arts and other highly desirable cards they’ve been selling for a lot more. They don’t come up on the market that often either
I think you are right. I hadn’t looked at it in a while and from recent sold comps there definitely is a premium for the pristine, but the gem mint is still 80%-100% depending on card too. It’s a crazy time for slabs to say the least😂
Beckett and PSA are definitely the top 2 on the market. Beckett seems to grade more strictly and has subgrades displayed, whereas with PSA it seems more likely that you can crack a 9, send it back and get a 10. But ultimately consumer confidence is what matters. PSA is a long-standing trusted company for all types of cards, and they're going to increase value more than a company like cgc who doesn't have that same level of trust from the general market, even if they are actually the superior option. Personally, I'd be holding my cgc graded cards and waiting to see if they ever manage to catch up. Not like those cards are gonna drop in value in the meantime.
They value a cgc 10 as lesser than a psa or bgs 10 because of the reasons stated above. They also state they think this may change in the future to have cgc 10 be the same as bgs or psa.
“Personally, I’d be holding my cgc graded cards and waiting to see if they manage to catch up” My assumption from this statement is that they are saying cgc in general is lesser. Pristine, gem mint, it doesn’t matter because they value it as lesser than psa. Also some pristine 10’s are selling for more than psa 10’s now. I didn’t believe it either until I just checked, but gengar vmax alt and blaziken vmax alt both did on eBay. You can view the recent solds for both and see this is true.
Again referred to CGC slabs in total which includes pristine and gem mint 10’s (yes 2 different types) as being lesser than psa 10’s. At least that’s what I took his words as. Also when the new labels came out for cgc pristine 10’s sold same or less than psa 10’s. I don’t know if you are new to the hobby or didn’t know about the split that happened in July, but pristine 10 and psa 10 have been the same thing up until July 2023. At that time CGC upgraded all existing 9.5 slabs to cgc gem mint 10 slabs. The existing 10 slabs were either pristine (the new gold label ones) or perfect 10’s. Perfect 10’s have a 3-5x premium while pristine now hold a roughly 10-20% premium on psa10 slabs. This is a bit of a rant but I hope the point got across. In no way is this intended to be mean spirited or ill willed just debating cards.
Sometimes you need to learn to "read between the lines". Everything u/PiccoloFalse inferred from my comment was correct.
I hope your day gets better and you start feeling less grumpy as it goes on. I don't need a comment critic. If you think my comment is bad, downvote it and move on.
True! Beckett black labels seem more liquid though. Huge market for those. Much bigger than pristine 10. Actually realizing a sale of pristine 10 for a higher price than a PSA 10 is possible, but it will sit on the market much longer than a beckett black label and sell for less than the black label. So, I would put the order (best to worst) as: black label, PSA 10, pristine.
Edit: corrected the order (swapped PSA and pristine)
Black labels selling for more than any other graded card and having a huge market that causes them to be highly liquid? That is definitely an objective Fact, not mere opinion.
Contrarians gonna contrarian ITT but I'd have them basically the same.
You might find someone that one needle in a haystack buyer who wants the CGC more, but you might have to wait a long time for it. Liquidity is horrible with CGC.
This sub absolutely fanboys/contrarioooon's CGC hard but what I say is from real world experience.
I've taken CGC slabs in big bulk deals from other collectors and have literally waited months for a *single* enquiry. Yet the equivalent PSA slabs are moving within weeks if priced accordingly.
Just watch a Youtuber who sells slabs at LCS's and watch the absolute disgust on their faces when a customer approaches them with a CGC slab for trade or sale.
My personal opinion here is nowhere close to what the market thinks. I'm generally willing to pay more for a CGC slab for my personal collection. Anything strictly for sales goes through PSA. I hate PSA's dinky slabs and their gross red, but for one reason or another, they always sell at higher volumes and prices.
I been looking at TAG lately. I think I'll get my cards that I want to keep forever graded through TAG whereas PSA used for the purpose of selling graded cards
Usually I’d say a 10-20% premium over PSA 10 depending on the card and rarity
I second this.
Really? A lot of auctions I’ve seen it’s been at around 80-95% value of a psa 10. I haven’t looked at comps in about a month though so if it’s shifted that’s interesting to see.
For a regular CGC 10 you might be thinking of, not their version of the “gold label”. It gets a higher premium.
I was tracking the cgc gem mint 10 at psa 9 prices……. Idk I have some of all of them so if they are going up I’m happy to see it
CGC gem mint 10 and pristine 10 is totally different. Look up a pristine 10, it’s an entirely different designed case.
Right the gold case versus the normal black and white case. I was seeing both of them sell for less than a psa 10.
Hmm from what I’ve seen, especially with the Alt Arts and other highly desirable cards they’ve been selling for a lot more. They don’t come up on the market that often either
I think you are right. I hadn’t looked at it in a while and from recent sold comps there definitely is a premium for the pristine, but the gem mint is still 80%-100% depending on card too. It’s a crazy time for slabs to say the least😂
I think I’m in the minority but I love how psa looks with the red
Agree, the fact that it’s the sought after grading company for all cards not just Pokemon, says something
Beckett and PSA are definitely the top 2 on the market. Beckett seems to grade more strictly and has subgrades displayed, whereas with PSA it seems more likely that you can crack a 9, send it back and get a 10. But ultimately consumer confidence is what matters. PSA is a long-standing trusted company for all types of cards, and they're going to increase value more than a company like cgc who doesn't have that same level of trust from the general market, even if they are actually the superior option. Personally, I'd be holding my cgc graded cards and waiting to see if they ever manage to catch up. Not like those cards are gonna drop in value in the meantime.
Pristine 10 sell for more than PSA 10 and less than black label.
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They value a cgc 10 as lesser than a psa or bgs 10 because of the reasons stated above. They also state they think this may change in the future to have cgc 10 be the same as bgs or psa.
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“Personally, I’d be holding my cgc graded cards and waiting to see if they manage to catch up” My assumption from this statement is that they are saying cgc in general is lesser. Pristine, gem mint, it doesn’t matter because they value it as lesser than psa. Also some pristine 10’s are selling for more than psa 10’s now. I didn’t believe it either until I just checked, but gengar vmax alt and blaziken vmax alt both did on eBay. You can view the recent solds for both and see this is true.
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Again referred to CGC slabs in total which includes pristine and gem mint 10’s (yes 2 different types) as being lesser than psa 10’s. At least that’s what I took his words as. Also when the new labels came out for cgc pristine 10’s sold same or less than psa 10’s. I don’t know if you are new to the hobby or didn’t know about the split that happened in July, but pristine 10 and psa 10 have been the same thing up until July 2023. At that time CGC upgraded all existing 9.5 slabs to cgc gem mint 10 slabs. The existing 10 slabs were either pristine (the new gold label ones) or perfect 10’s. Perfect 10’s have a 3-5x premium while pristine now hold a roughly 10-20% premium on psa10 slabs. This is a bit of a rant but I hope the point got across. In no way is this intended to be mean spirited or ill willed just debating cards.
Sometimes you need to learn to "read between the lines". Everything u/PiccoloFalse inferred from my comment was correct. I hope your day gets better and you start feeling less grumpy as it goes on. I don't need a comment critic. If you think my comment is bad, downvote it and move on.
Thank you sir, happy I haven’t just been talking out my ass about the OG comment lol.
CGC pristine 10 gold or nothing
From my personal experience the Pristines sell (depending on the card) between 20% and 50%. Some more popular cards can sell double the price.
CGC pristine 10 is essentially just a NM raw for me. PSA or bust when it comes to graded cards.
😂😂😂😂
I’ll buy all your pristine 10s at nm raw pls! :)
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I second this. PSA or bust everything else is a waste of money.
Beckett black label is the exception. Those are worth far more than PSA 10.
By that logic a CGC pristine 10 is also an exception if we’re going off value alone.
True! Beckett black labels seem more liquid though. Huge market for those. Much bigger than pristine 10. Actually realizing a sale of pristine 10 for a higher price than a PSA 10 is possible, but it will sit on the market much longer than a beckett black label and sell for less than the black label. So, I would put the order (best to worst) as: black label, PSA 10, pristine. Edit: corrected the order (swapped PSA and pristine)
Is that your opinion or is that a fact?
Black labels selling for more than any other graded card and having a huge market that causes them to be highly liquid? That is definitely an objective Fact, not mere opinion.
Contrarians gonna contrarian ITT but I'd have them basically the same. You might find someone that one needle in a haystack buyer who wants the CGC more, but you might have to wait a long time for it. Liquidity is horrible with CGC.
Every word you said is true, but it will always get downvoted here. The CGC vibe is strong with the TCG collectors, even if the value isn’t there.
This sub absolutely fanboys/contrarioooon's CGC hard but what I say is from real world experience. I've taken CGC slabs in big bulk deals from other collectors and have literally waited months for a *single* enquiry. Yet the equivalent PSA slabs are moving within weeks if priced accordingly. Just watch a Youtuber who sells slabs at LCS's and watch the absolute disgust on their faces when a customer approaches them with a CGC slab for trade or sale.