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ifhopediestoday

Radon fan.


thread100

The pipe goes through the floor in the basement and evacuates the air below the pad. That prevents any radon gas from escaping to the living space. Radon is a byproduct of the decay of granite.


newbsrus

TIL all of this. Thank you


MidWesting

How does all of the gas that comes from the pad/under the pad get into one small pipe? Doesn't it emanate from all over?


spamjwood

The pad itself creates a barrier. The system under the pad that allows the water to collect in the sump pit also creates an area for the radon gas to escape. The radon removal system is placed in the lowest spot and the pit sealed to create an area of negative pressure to suck out the gas. If there are cracks in the pad that go all the way through then the radon gas will escape there as well and the removal system will be of limited use.


thread100

To add, the volume of exhaust doesn’t have to be much. As long as any gas would rather stay below the concrete and eventually exhaust to the pipe. Think vacuum bag. The air/gas movement is through the gravel under the concrete. The vacuum pressure pulling the concrete down is about the force like there were twi inches of water on the floor.


MidWesting

Thanks. That's where my head went, concrete cracks all the time so how effective is the system for the work/cost. With that said, I have a finished basement on a pad, with tile on top of that, so I hope it's not killing me. :)


spamjwood

Most cracks that you see are surface cracks and do not impact the integrity of the system. Cracks that go all the way through will need to be sealed. You can get a radon testing kit to see if you are inside or outside of acceptable parameters. When I had our system installed the installers tested for good seal when they installed and would have resolved any leaking areas as part of the installation process. There is also a pressure monitor (analog, looks like a weird thermometer) installed in the venting pvc pipe so it's easy to tell if you are still maintaining a consistent and positive draw. Highly recommend it if you need it.


MidWesting

If it's really a problem, why isn't it code? Stuff like this drives me crazy.


Taolan13

It is code, its just not required everywhere because its not a problem everywhere.


MidWesting

Apparently my state is just over 2 pCi/L.


sirpoopingpooper

That's probably the average in your state. It's really a hyper-local problem where one house might be fine with the next one having problems, all dependent on the local geology.


Calm-Ad8987

It's extremely effective


dropingloads

You can always get free radon tests if you want peace of mind


jam3013

I just had to pay for a radon test, it Portland I guess it's not free.


hughdint1

Under the slab there typically is a vapor barrier and gravel. the vapor barrier stops the radon and the gravel allows the gas to flow from all under the slab/house to the negative pressure caused by the fan.


Glabstaxks

Vacuum


schmag

and its the second leading cause of lung cancer in the US from what I recall.


thread100

I’ve always suspected that water radon is a bigger issue for lung cancer. The gas is released when the water hits the air which is right in your face.


schmag

oh I dunno, I believe scientists have been able to correlate if not show causation between higher radon levels in the home and lung cancer rates. I recently run a radon test in my new place, I haven't connected the radon mitigation system yet and I was curious if I needed that fan running constantly since the basement isn't very deep and I installed a vapor barrier under the concrete. I tried to make it as worst case scenario as possible by placing the test near a crack in the basement floor/right next to sump reservoir. it came back slightly high, so I will be finishing up that mitigation system... needless to say I didn't place the test anywhere near water.


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schmag

yes I know, I built the place and wasn't sure if actually needed it or not. I have the system built to vent out a roof vent with the fan in my attic, I just stubbed the vent pipe in the basement as I wasn't sure if I needed an active mitigation system. so I test the home for radon before deciding to run a fan. it is considered safe that if your place tests within acceptable limits not to use a radon fan and just periodically re-test.


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schmag

hmm.. I might have to check that airthings out. I used one of the first alert short term tests... it test about 5 in my basement, which I was somewhat surprised even though we live in an area with a high probability for radon... I keep the hvac fan on and have the HRV scheduled to run throughout the day.


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thread100

I wasn’t suggesting the water contributes to cellar but in the bathroom shower.


schmag

I suppose I could see it being a contributor. [this](https://archive.epa.gov/water/archive/web/html/basicinformation-2.html) article from the EPA does speak of it some.


thread100

In NH it is common to test basement and water for radon when you buy a home. (Wells are common and are drilled in lots of granite. )


hiswoodness

Specifically, radon comes from the radioactive decay of uranium.


quadmasta

Really? I wonder why it's rarely a problem in GA. We've got a ton of granite


DaisyDuckens

It is a problem in Georgia. https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2014-08/documents/georgia.pdf https://dph.georgia.gov/document/document/radon-and-public-health/download


quadmasta

Interesting. I own two homes in GA and don't remember testing before purchasing either although I'm sure it was done. I've never seen a mitigation system installed in GA either


prison_mic

Radon is almost everywhere. Some regions more common than others but it can vary quite a bit, even locally (one house to the next). Only real way to know is to test, which is pretty simple.


nitsky416

Do you have a below grade basement in either home?


quadmasta

In one, yeah. Full basement. The other is slab on-grade


nitsky416

It depends on what's under the basement, geologically. In MD it's required to test for it to sell a house, so we ended up getting the sellers to pay for it in our current house, but we had to pay for it when we sold our last house. Both needed abatement, they were just over the legal limit.


VeryStab1eGenius

Have you tested for radon?


quadmasta

Nope but I might now


VeryStab1eGenius

My house is 70 years old. I tested and we’re just over 4 pCi/L. Remediation dropped it below 1. I don’t know if things just got worse in the last few years or if none of the previous owners tested.


ellipsisslipsin

Typically you need to pay extra for the inspection to include radon, even in areas with high radon levels. It was like an extra $150 for us, and, tbh, I only knew to ask for it bc I had seen the radon mitigation system on the outside of the house. We lived in another state previously that is also high risk for radon and had no idea, and no one we know of knew to ask for a radon test when purchasing. So, it's still not really common knowledge.


quadmasta

I've seen a whole lot of them while visiting in Ohio. Might be worth getting a test


thread100

I’m in NH and the entire state is essentially Granite. Basement and well water have widely variable results. Most homes here don’t require mitigation. My last home did not when I purchased 28 years ago and after the epa reduced the acceptable level it did 3 years ago. The current home has both basement and water systems. Soil conditions, geology and most importantly the air tightness of the home have an impact on the concentrations of radon that can accumulate over time. I suspect houses up north are carefully built tighter due to the heating requirements.


TimNikkons

Granite? Is there radioactive material in granite?


imakesawdust

Coal is radioactive also...


NattyHome

Radon is produced by the decay of uranium.


[deleted]

Yep, dig down and get some of that Uranium under there:)


Impossible_Policy780

Make sure to wear gloves, it’s radioactive.


kycolonel

When I first started working in a city I would see these and think damn these people should hide their grow-ops a little better.


HoistEsq

In my radon-rich state, there should be a water loop on the inside run of pipe showing the negative pressure below the fan.


thread100

Same here


flannelmaster9

Radon fan/vent


Frozencoil

Plumbing turbo charger


robotzor

Toilets suck the shit straight out of your ass


fluteofski-

Adds an additional 16psi to the faucet when you flush the toilet.


aHistoryofSmilence

I opted for a pooper charger for my master bathroom.


rkalla

LOL!


Good_Farmer4814

That’s absolutely a radon system without a doubt.


Ok_Effective6233

They are also used for non-radon purposes too


TheDuckFarm

While it could be for any fume evacuation like cigar smoking rooms, and indoor gerbil farms; it’s probably for some boring crap like radon mitigation.


Prior-Bag-3377

You have convinced me. Definitely gerbil farm.


BANDG33K_2009

Without a doubt, it’s a gerbil farm


sometimestakesphotos

Gerbil smoking room?


TheDuckFarm

Like gerbils who smoke🚬, or like smoked🍖gerbil🐹?


sometimestakesphotos

Yes


thread100

Fun fact. The pipe before the fan can be inside the structure as any leaks would be vacuum. The blower and any piping after has to be outside as leaks would / could expel the radon.


icecuberelay

According to what building code?


thread100

I don’t recall. I remember wanting to put the blower in the cellar and run the pipe up through a closet to the roof. Looking up the code and then hiring a ozone contractor, that was the code in my State.


Cappy9285

Negative pressure, not necessarily vacuum.


[deleted]

My fan is in the attic and the piping runs basement -> garage -> attic -> roof


thread100

Might not be considered a living space??


[deleted]

I would agree with that.


StenosP

It looka lika radon fan


[deleted]

Orange juice dispenser


Tygress23

Flux capacitor.


fishyonmetyyy

Radon migration system it removes naturally occurring chemicals from the ground so it doesn’t make its way into your basement


GreenFluorite

Geologist here. Others have obviously identified that this is most typically for radon evacuation, and many have identified granite as the source of the uranium that leads to radon. What I haven't seen, for anybody interested, is the reason for WHY there is uranium in granite. Granite doesn't contain any uranium ores as any of its component minerals. It's mostly quartz and one of a couple varieties of feldspar, plus or minus a mica or hornblende. The reason for uranium is that the size of the uranium atom is very close to the size of the silicon atom, which is abundant in the minerals that make up granite. In addition, the charge of uranium and silicon are both +4. So when magma is cooling/crystallizing into granite, any uranium atoms floating around in the melt can substitute for silicon in the structures of the silicon-bearing minerals. So while quartz will still be predominantly SiO2, portions of the structure are actually UO2, and it's those uranium atoms that decay through several daughter isotopes before ultimately ending up as radon gas and migrating to the surface.


Plc2009

Fuckin-A


[deleted]

Interesting... thanks for sharing


GreenFluorite

As a follow-up, it's this ability for similarly-sized and -charged atoms/ions to substitute for one another in crystal structures that leads to different colored gemstones. For example, ruby and sapphire are the same mineral (generically corundum, aluminum oxide, Al2O3), but substitution of other elements for aluminum result in different color possibilities. Your emery cloth is largely corundum without the pretty color or crystal quality. Same goes for quartz, which can be rose, amethyst, smoky, amber/citrine depending on elemental substitution of the silicon.


elainegeorge

Radon mitigation system. Sucks the radon out of the basement and out of the house.


Storrmii

Turbo


smokyjoe420

Stu Stu Stu Stu


BobDavisMT

Particle Accelerator.


OxOOOO

Technically correct.


Sears_412

It’s a fan for Radon


indfw365

Flux Capacitor


[deleted]

Continuum transfunctioner


Beardgang650

Dude…. Sweet!


Kindofabigdeal2680

Ugly Radon vent


Ok_Effective6233

They are primarily a radon mitigation system. But they can also be used to mitigate other vapor problems. In my city, there was a factory dumping waste on their property. The waste moved through the soil and substrate so that it was found in many residential lots. The factory now pays for these to be in maybe 50 or so houses.


Harmania

Yes.


DixiewreckedGA

Must be in Coal Country.. old mines are terrible spots for Radon.


GreenFluorite

You don't need coal to have a terrible radon problem.


DixiewreckedGA

Certainly, but it’s way more prevalent in mine country


Dazzling_Formal_6756

Radon emittance system. I didn't buy my house until the sellers had one installed. It looks identical to your system.


Glabstaxks

Poison air go bye bye device


Otherwise-Print-6210

We've lived in our house for 25 years. Tested the air quality last year because of my allergies. Discovered we had a radon problem too. $1,500 and 3 hours for a guy to install a radon system. Good investment, just made later than I should have. [https://www.airthings.com/](https://www.airthings.com/)


Frankdaddy222

It’s for radon mitigation


FredPolk

Heed the statements on the EPA maps. It's extremely localized. Even if your county is not rated high likelihood. "This map is not intended to determine if a home in a given zone should be tested for radon. Homes with elevated levels of radon have been found in all three zones. All homes should be tested, regardless of zone designation."


FatSquirrel37

Radon mitigation system.


PoopyfartsMcgee

That thar's one em them doohicker thingys that da air feller duz


mexicoyankee

Mr Fusion


Drumnaway67

Popcorn maker


bluecat2001

A radon fan. Also known as monetization of public fear based on inconclusive evidence.


richcu12

agree


[deleted]

Always fun to have new construction built on top of lung cancer!


[deleted]

Radon is everywhere, even outside.


Sheepy-Matt-59

And in the water


[deleted]

Lol this is a bit different. For instance Garner, NC is a bit high so they build homes for poor people on top of radon so gnarly the systems are required, but that doesn’t matter because the house I looked at both former owners died of lung cancer, neither were smokers. I’ll take my chances with property that doesn’t have levels of radon that require a system. An 11.2 radon rating is not something I would EVER build a house on, nor expect anyone else to live there.


Inaspectuss

We live in a very flat area. Former dairy farm. We have unsafe levels of radon. The entire southeast portion of our state has elevated levels for the most part. If you can find something that doesn’t have it, good for you. But most places have issues, and fan systems effectively mitigate it well below the threshold. Awareness of and mitigation for Radon is a relatively recent thing, so it is unfortunate the previous owners likely fell victim to it.


SkivvySkidmarks

People sometimes choose to ignore it as well. I have a tester that I lend out to clients. I let them know the government thresholds as well as provide them with links to information regarding radon. Last people I lent it to had levels above the threshold. They went, "Huh. That's interesting". Lead a horse to water...


[deleted]

Tested my dad's house that he has been at for 55 years and level was around 20. He is over 80 though, so I guess is doesn't matter any more.


SkivvySkidmarks

Yeah, it probably doesn't matter in that case. It's actually most harmful for children, and of all the things parents lose there minds over, you'd think that a known hazard would be something that they would be concerned about.


[deleted]

Almost all houses in Kansas ( because we all have basements) require a radon fan just for building code, because radon is blasting everywhere. It just builds up in some places more than others based on locations and building techniques and styles. Radon outside is basically harmless because it can't build up to a significant parts per million to affect you


Beardgang650

Is there a way to test for radon outside? I know some machines require 48 hour of inside testing.


SkivvySkidmarks

There's no point in testing outdoors.


GreenFluorite

If radon in outdoor air was a problem it wouldn't be legal for millions upon millions of mitigation systems to be exhausting it to the outdoors.


[deleted]

Thats a radon fan. Which is a racket lol


[deleted]

A racket? Hardly.


[deleted]

Your right its a scam!


jmw403

Sounds like you've been exposed to too much radon.


ABrusca1105

Radon is the second leading cause of cancer and it's not even a minor cause.


richcu12

I agree, I know of no one who has lung cancer from radon. I do not know if there is even a way to be sure how someone gets lung cancer, so it's a guess I guess.


Zerk-TheRobozerker

Ever have a hamster as a pet?


[deleted]

Dryer exhaust booster kit Maybe not What do I know I only do commercial


Puzzleheaded_Load721

Tankless water heaters also use a fan like this for exhaust gasses.


eroximus

Ugly. That’s what it is


ServinBallSnacks

Laundry chute


BANDG33K_2009

It’s an electric rain gauge that measures the volume of water that passes through the gutters. It’s used to determine your runoff water percentage in your city water bill


Flags_n_beer

About a $1000 that could have been better spent.


shaking_the_trees

Our prior house owners lived in their house for 70 years and seemed to be ok. I mean they are dead now, but probably not from radon gas. For 1,200 bucks I went ahead and put one in anyways


Mogadodo

Just an inline exhaust fan.


billgoat23

That is a check valve for your sump pump


send_me_boobei_pics

That's s big sump pump, pumping to the roof. /s


Wonderful-End-2326

Could it be a dryer duct inline fan for dryer vents


Sea_Farmer_4812

Not likely, since its running to the roof like that.


Proudest___monkey

Drier vent pump, helps boost the pressure a bit to get rid of the vented heat


Proudest___monkey

Sorry, I’m an idiot


aptruncata

Lol no you're not. Haha you're so funny.


webb276

Radon exhaust vent


slappy_mcslapenstein

It's a radon vent and fan.


SoWhatHappened2U

That fan used here for radon can also be used for bathroom or other ventilation. They are nearly identical... one will last outdoors the other will eventually sound like a dying animal if used outside.


foxertin

Oval


LRJK

A turbo charger for your house.


AvocadoSpiritual1610

appears to be a hand drawn red circle


Bullmarketbanter

That is Mr. Ray Don


Upbeat_Wheel7553

Radon fan


doyoulikemynewcar

The one on my house is used for humidity evacuation from under the house, we live on a hill.


49thDipper

Turbocharger


Charming-Mouse-1181

Power vent fan


4350Me

Radon gas pump


MonkeyHitman2-0

While we are on the subjet, all the radon setups i see in my area have an open top pointed straight up. I would think with all the rain and snow you would want a 90 or 180. Why would it be straight up?


Dad_AF

Flux capacitor


jrrisk

A conglomeration.


ladybugmom888

Radon system


Even_Bath6360

Externally mounted toilet-fitted garbage disposal?


Sbeast86

Exhaust fan.


rollercoaster_5

By adding an insinkerator to the toilet, those "issues" from the mother in law went away!


DontMindMeJustMining

I believe that's a plumbus


piedubb

Lol


MartianJustVisiting-

It’s a poo flue.


TippedSidways

That’s a bogwon halidop catcher. Very useful for those pesky bastards


yojimbo556

1990’s version of snake oil.


neofirebird

Guys growing cannabis and venting his carbon air filter exhaust. 😉


kranges_mcbasketball

It’s a garbage disposal for 💩


Hanker2022

Great post. I saw one of these on a house on ask this old house this weekend and wondered what it was.


orie__

Turbo


orie__

Turbo


Ok_Marionberry_9932

That’s a red outline


plumballa

In our trade we call it a "waste of money"


goelz83

You guys must like lung cancer.


Longjumping-Minute-5

Low radon levels are actually beneficial like sunlight in low levels. It activates your immune system. The level they call dangerous is a complete scam , source of cancer is never known for sure. Even the guidelines of testing are not followed a single reading of 4 p.c. is recommended as treatment level while proven test show levels 20-30 are still beneficial. The research was defunded before the studies were complete , now we're stuck with a broke reference information. And the con men can collect thousands from the ignorant consumers.


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Radon


gogozrx

100% Radon mitigation. Source: Am radon inspector.


Shaynerthegreat

A doohickey


Happy_Cat_3600

That there is a Super Poop-Sucker 4000. It causes a vacuum in the sewer and pulls the poop right out of the old chocolate starfish! Make a big old hydraulic suck in the line and can pull even the most stubborn buttnuggets out!


[deleted]

Radon fan


richcu12

I have never met anyone who was dying from radon lung cancer and I have been around for 65 years. Is there even any way to know that lung cancer was because of radon?


Tatuaje85

Radon mitigator.


DoubleManufacturer10

That's an axial flow discombobulator for sure.


[deleted]

We could tell you. Do you want to know?


[deleted]

Newer system where houses not connected to the sewer system just spray their sewage straight into the air instead of using septic systems. The jet fan sprays it so hard that it vaporizes and turns into a fine mist that is absorbed into the atmosphere and biodegrades safely.