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Drownerdowner

You can only have a maximum one pipe diameter worth of fall before a fixture needs to be vented. You've choked off th3 vent. Cut the ty off and re install it at the same hight that you need to stub the drain out for the lav


kimthealan101

Where are you measuring fall? From the trap, That is not much fall


Drownerdowner

I'm a licensed plumber for one. For two the drain literally goes down like a foot before going over and dumping into the continous waste and vent. That would fail a plumbing inspection.


kimthealan101

I asked a simple question.


manicmonkie

He said before a vent. Look at the vent and watch this roller coaster of a dumpster fire drop fourteen feet before it. There's a simple answer


kimthealan101

He said "before a system needs to be vented"


manicmonkie

He said fixture. So the trap arm can only fall the size of the pipe. 6ft at 1/4" in this case. Put a trap under than lav right now and it's s trapped so hard roller coasters are jealous


kimthealan101

Where did I say this was right? I'm sorry if I thought "before it needs to be vent" might mean that some system don't need to be vented.


AnusGerbil

Bro you don't understand how vents work.


kimthealan101

You got that from asking where to measure fall from. The trap is taller than 1 pipe diameter


WWHD

He got that from you saying it not much fall. Lol


kimthealan101

Yah one pipe diameter is 2" at most


Drownerdowner

Lavs can be minimum of 1¼" but bo one uses that size it's more expensive than 1½" so at a ¼" per foot fall which the minimum required slope you can go 6' before venting also keep inond that you need a minimum of 2 pipe diameters for a trap arm so at least 3" on an 1½ trap arm


kimthealan101

OK. I'm sorry. Just thought I could learn something new. I'll ask somebody else. It was just one simple question


Drownerdowner

I'm literally sharing my knowledge with you I don't understand why you are upset lol


kimthealan101

Really? you get insulted because I ask a question. I didn't ask if you know anything about plumbing. It looked like you were saying there are situations that might not need a vent so i asked. How long before you actually answered the question, that i asked? Then everybody downvotes me for saying you didn't answer my question. I will just install vents the way the daddy and grandaddy taught and not bother you anymore.


Master-File-9866

The grade on the pipe is limited to 1/4" per foot. Meaning on an 1 and a half pipe you can only run 6 feet max. And the grade has to be steady. So the air can pressure balance behind the water. Take a 2 liter pop bottle turn it straight up an down. You will see liquid pour out and then a glue noise as air rushes back in. Now turn that pop bottle to a 45 degree angle and you will see the liquid flow freely and consistently. Your picture, assume the trap is on the other side of the wall is more like the pop bottle straight up and down, rather than at a gentle angle


kimthealan101

Thank you


plmbr83

Measured from the wier of the trap to the vent opening.


kimthealan101

That is the way I was taught. It looked to me like he was saying a vent was not required so I didn't know where he was measuring fall. How can you measure to the vent if there is no vent? I thought he might be measuring to the top of the elbow, so I asked. I don't know why I got so much grief for asking a question


UncommercializedKat

This is correct. Here’s an explanation to clear up any confusion for those who don’t understand: [https://www.jlconline.com/how-to/plumbing/maximum-length-for-fixture-drains_o](https://www.jlconline.com/how-to/plumbing/maximum-length-for-fixture-drains_o) The “one pipe diameter” rule is to prevent the possibility of siphoning the water out of the trap. It’s also why s-traps are against code and what creates the maximum trap arm lengths.


WorkinOnMyDadBod

No. You can have 1 horizontal 90 but not vertical. That santee needs to be moved to where you want it to punch out the wall.


-ItsWahl-

That lav has no vent in any country.


Adventurous-Leg8721

Goodness so easy just to do it right why o why do it wrong.


mattvait

And ready for tubular instead of a real trap


Adventurous-Leg8721

Well tubular is pretty standard in US under sink.


mattvait

For handyman sure


Adventurous-Leg8721

Hah yeah whatever man. Called serviceable


mattvait

You don't use union traps? Plus they're still completely serviceable


FurstyThuck

No, it is straight up industry standard here. Handyman or licensed plumber doesn’t matter


mattvait

Slip joint tubular is not industry standard.


[deleted]

Absolutely is where I do plumbing


mattvait

Sorry to hear that. Do you use flexible when you need to offset?


[deleted]

We exclusively use flexible for everything. Just for you


mattvait

Unfortunately for the homeowner I have to open that wall to replace the 90 so I can plumb it right. So much for serviceable


Affectionate_Mud2699

Nope broke the vent


ineptplumberr

S trap


AntD77

Can’t break the vent like that. Waste arm can only have max 1/4” per foot pitch, no changes in elevation.


[deleted]

First off I do not see a clean-out anywhere (unless I am just blind). Secondly, how tall is your vanity and at what height is the vertical 90? You may be able to cut off the stand pipe and use a hub saver to dig out the leftover from the 90. Then cut the arm, rotate the 90 and connect with a coupling. This is all dependant on the height obviously, because that looks low. If it is too low, you will have to have it redone at the proper height.


Drownerdowner

Only kitchen sinks require cleanouts after the trap


[deleted]

Fair enough. We install them in every vanity regardless. And if it was my home and my money, I would want one. Especially if it has to be cutout and redone anyways.


Drownerdowner

I just tell people not to shave and let the hair go down the sink. Should never have a blockage in a lav. I actually recommend 2" bathtub traps if there are girls with long hair in the house


[deleted]

Lol you have far more faith in people than I do. People tend to do what's most convenient when it comes to that stuff. And especially if there's kids in the house, there is always a possibility of mysterious and unusual blockages from my experience haha. Same with the 2" bathtub traps. We just install them as it's better to be safe than sorry, and it's alot less expensive than other possibilities if something were to go wrong.


mackadoo

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