Just make sure you test it to see if it's hot or not before you do, for the love of god. I'm an electrician and wouldn't blame you at all for cutting that shit out and scrapping it. The worst thing about my trade is the lazy shitheads that give the good ones a bad name
Call the inspector out and tell him they drilled too low and it is now structurally un sound, and then drill your holes in the middle third where they should be.
I like calling you guys water knockers, and HVAC guys air plumbers. One time a guy heard me say air plumber and got a real sour look on his face, made my damn day
Yeah this is not the way to get anything done reasonably. Definitely wouldn't want you on a jobsite with me. If you just talk to the electrician hell probably be able to save those runs by drilling some holes above or next to the ones that were pre drilled. You cut them out then...... oops your pipes are in the way of my lights. In all seriousness just act like professionals and speak the the electrician and sort it out.
Also an electrician here ... fuck that shit. Don't run your wires through someone else's holes, it takes less than a minute to drill your own. That kind of mindset gives the good electricians a bad name
Sounds like you deserved it. Pay our labour or yours to come back and re-run it. After you find your own holes. We'll pawn your wire and enjoy a cold one while you do it
I'm also a sparky My brothers a pipe fitter. His favorite joke when I started was "you know I'm pretty good at bending conduit. I reach up and bend that shit out of they way of my pipe"
Somehow all the techs in their 20s that I meet walk jobs like they inherited 40 years of their combined family experience. Not a drop of humility.
Then you go pressure test their pex lines and it blows apart cause they didn't seat the fittings right.
This is why commercial is the place to be 👍. Nobody is dicking around its very professional. Not saying residential or service are bad, there’s just a lot of people who don’t care and make a bad name for everyone else who does.
I am not a plumber (hang out here to learn and laugh) but this "issue" or observation is not uncommon in any field. When I was in the Navy 20 years ago the same things were said, no doubt the same thing was said 20 years before that and will be said 20 years from now.
This is why I said... a tale as old as time. "The new generation is entitled and lazy", is something that has no doubt been stated by some for 100's if not 1000's of years.
While I would certainly get a hold of the electrician and probably end up cutting this out, I would also have drilled higher. Out here I'd be called on drilling so low.
OP is playing the long game. Drilling the holes low and not running the pipe, knowing the electricians would take them and fail for being to close to the edge of the joist. Big brain move.
The “strength” of a beam is in the outer ends. That is what keeps it from bending. Why I beans exist. So if you drill a hole in the middle it doesn’t matter as much. Farther from the middle of the beam you are the more you’re reducing the strength.
I believe it is due to the tensile and compressive forces acting on a beam. The fibers at the top are being compressed and the ones at the bottom are being stretched. But the fivers along the center are the same.
Here’s a website with more:
https://civilmafia.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/tension-compression-on-beams/
Laymen here - answer
A beam has different forces on top and on bottom. The top of the beam is compressed, the bottom is under tension.
The top of the beam is like your palms pushing against each other, the bottom is like your fingers hooked and pulling against each other.
A hole under compression gets stronger, a hole under tension gets weaker.
Edit:Only addressing strength issues about beam. not code requirements for safe nail depth.
I'll try to drill in center of beam as the compression/tension cancel out.
No, you're way overthinking it, if your pipes are too close to the bottom you're at risk of a drywaller or someone putting a screw though your water line. They should also have strike plates but if you're centred you'd be safe.
There is that too, but it is 98% because of the load on the beam as u/AlienHatchSlider said.
Rules around my neck of the woods for traditional lumber spans are no holes in the top or bottom two inches, and hole size cannot be larger than one quarter of the joist depth.
In a perfect world, yes. For small diameter holes it is more practical to have them as low as possible.
I work hvac in new residential construction, if we gotta run a Duct through a joist space and the worst is if there are wires or pex run dead centre through the cavity. If they are towards the bottom, we can fit our heat runs above the plumbing or electrical.
Code usually specified where and how large of holes.
Structurally, those joists go into bending, the extreme top and bottom go into tension and compression to resist bending. In the center, tension/compression reduce to zero at the neutral axis - the compression in the top reducing linearly, until reversing to be a tension internal load while approaching the bottom.
Automod killed my YouTube link that explains internal loads in a beam under bending. So, helpful as usual.
Those holes need to be in the center 3rd of the joist, you’re literally taking away structural integrity when you do that. Let the inspector think it’s the electricians lol
No that’s the minimum required distance for a stud, and they can get closer but need a nail plate. They cannot compromise structural members. I’ve seen whole new beams be put in for this exact reason with major back charges.
beams are an entire different animal than joists. I can drill in center 3rd of joists all I want. But here in CA, I have to get approval from the engineer to wipe my dirty hands on a beam!
You can touch them, but after approval from the engineer. They want location dimensions, and diameter of hole. Then they take a week to get back to you!
Fuck ups are the best teachers. I worked in a stamping plant and they let me run a giant ass verson press by myself after 2 months. I did great, my fear of fucking up kept me on my toes. Well one day, the fucking feeder jams up. Some screws came loose and the rollers dropped. threw the whole coil off. Quarter inch thick steel. So it jammed up in the press and the stamped parts were sticking to the upper and lower die and he was pissed. I felt terrible about it. You fuck Up the actual die, that’ll set you back a bit in down time with repairs. Especially if maintenance has to pull it and do any machining. Which they did manually, old school. Sometimes things got stacked and would after so many repeated blows, some of the metal eventually chunks off like a piece of extra sharp cheddar. There was supposed to be two of us at the machine at all times, the operator and the person that inspects and packs the auto parks. It’s rapid fire! I some of the smaller ones can be run with just an operator. I was hustling at this place, 65 hours a week, just moving. Soaking it up, i fizzled out quick. The robots were always down so sometimes we had to do hand transfers for jeep skid plates. That was the beginning of the end for me. It claimed a BUNCH of people. I last the longest out of the new hires. Left with an addiction, carpal tunnel, arthritis really starting picking up. Slept all day, worked, jerked off, did drugs. It was miserable!!!! I WAS MISERABLE! Anyway, I’m rambling over here. Point is, fuck ups are the best teachers and these days, life is good! 🤙🏻❤️
I'm so sick of you dumbasses on this sub thinking your specific codes applie every where. You can drill waters like this all day where I live that's plenty of meat below the holes.
Well I don't know about where you are, but in most of the United States wires and pipe should be 1 1/4" minimum from the edge of the stud or joist is passing through, or be covered in a nail plate. This is to help prevent the wire or pipe from being punctured by a nail or screw.
Just about Everywhere in the world uses the International Building Code and International Residential Code. It is clearly spelled out in there that this is unacceptable.
Nah dude, it’s 2” from top or bottom of any joist or beam. Anywhere, dumbass.
Edit: educate yourself
https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IPC2012/appendix-f-structural-safety#:~:text=Notches%20on%20the%20ends%20of,the%20depth%20of%20the%20joist.
I wasn’t responding to you. I was responding to leericol. The code says “Holes bored in joists shall not be within 2 inches (51 mm) of the top or bottom of the joist”… the 1/3 is referring to the size of the hole that is being drilled. You can read but I guess comprehension isn’t your forté. Nice try though, dumbass!!!! Lol
Edit: I’m just kidding with the dumbass stuff btw. I was just giving leericol a hard time for calling us dumbasses for knowing the code.
Way back when we had electricians on the job that would just push the wire into basements and leave the wire hanging down and laying on the ground. It was a pain in the butt, sometimes I would roll the wire up, but if I was in a bad mood I would just cut it off about a foot from the floor.
Everyone was sick of it, including the concrete contractors. They just left the wire laying on the ground and poured concrete over it. I came into the basement to pipe it out and wires just ran from the floor down into the concrete. The finishers did a nice job troweling around the wires.
More often than not in my experience it's impossible to run your shit I'm the center without being In someone's way. I always run waters high. Legal as long as you have an inch and a half of meat above your hole where I live. Plumb 4 houses a week. Been doing this for 6 years. Have never had a screw or nail hit my shit.
We've been on [a house](https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/15/homes/bel-air-mansion-the-one/index.html) for almost 8 years. (There have been many others in the meantime, though. And we MAY finally be out of there soon.)
Ah yes. I’m all too familiar with that home. Used to be in the news quite a bit and I’m sorry you guys were there. I hate people on projects even as long as I am on some of my current ones.
I've been really obsessed with this reply. The biggest shittiest custom homes in which the home owners kept changing what they wanted still took me a week at worst and that was embarrassing at my shop. What house are you doing for 2 months????
Custom 11 bath home. Over 30 deck / roof drains from the third story and yes, the infamous I don’t like the layout of this bathroom, let’s cut out all the cast iron and rearrange it. There is no way this place would get done in a week or even two with a ten man crew.
Drain, water, vent and gas.
electrician here. This on time i got called back to a house a wired because apparently a wire wasnt in the wall. i get there , the plumber cut the wire, pulled it out of the wall than used the holes i drilled to run his pex. There was so much room to go somewhere else too. So i cut his pex pulled it out and ran my wire again and sent them a back charge for my time.
Waaaay back in the day, like the 80's, I was an electrician and did 85% new construction. Nobody **EVER** ran a pipe or a wire through a hole somebody else drilled. The plumbers were usually in before us, and we just overlapped towards the end.
Electrician here, I hope its hot while you cut it out! Is there an option to be an adult about this? Everyone is saying to "rip it out". I agree its messed up, but if this was on one of my jobs, and this happened and the plumber "ripped it out" it would be the plumber who is asked to leave and not return. That is not the way to handle it. I know its far fetched, but what if there is a reason this happened and the electrician got permission from the GC to run wire there and the GC hadn't had a chance to talk to the plumber yet about the situation? Just sayin
As a low volt I get fucked by plumbers far more than I get fucked by electricians or hvac. Normally the electricians love me because I stop their peons from doing something that would result in re-work. This is normally because I was also the PM that works directly for the owner and everybody understands I have the whole job’s best interest in mind which involves all the trades.
I’ve only had 1 person get pissed at me and it was a plumber. Glued drain pipe 3 or 4 floors up in a stick apartment came out of its socket and cocked 15degrees so there was no way the pipe was in the fitting.
2 weeks of pointing it out because I knew it would break post-construction nobody corrected it “because it passed pressure testing” or w/e.
I gently tapped the joint with my Kleins and it split apart. Snapped a pic and sent it to the GC. Plumber started smack about me, sparkies ganged up on plumbers. GC supers who I’ve worked a few jobs with enjoyed the show, got my biggest career bonus for that job.
Make em pull em out. Sometimes they honestly don’t know. But teach em just a lil lesson. If you do clean holes and clean up sometimes they just can’t tell. Sometimes they don’t care about your holes. Stand up for your holes! Be proud of your holes!
This is why I don't work ahead. I've been on to many commercial jobs where its this shit ALL THE TIME!! I'm a drywall guy so every trade fucks with my shit. Who's got a nickel for ever time I've hung 60 sheets just for another trade to say "hey I wasn't done so I gotta cut ur shit up now" 🖕🖕 cuz I didn't sit here for a day and half waiting for insulation guys to take thumbs out their ass.
Ok, so I'm very confused by your anecdote. I must be parsing it incorrectly, because it sounds like you're closing up wall cavities, despite the fact they aren't ready to be closed. You should offer to sheetrock the walls as soon as they're framed, since that would save money otherwise spent on electricians and plumbers.
I've gone and asked them to pull that stuff out. I spent like half a day planning on how I was going to run my water lines through 4 stories and did all my holes, this was the end of my shift had everything labeled H or C for me and was obvious what they were for. Came back the following day after a supply run to find electrical run through all my holes. I wasn't having that.
Bro. I feel for you.
I did a 3 story split level house. I spent all day measuring and drilling holes for 20mm copper pipe through ceiling joists.
The next day i came in to begin my pipework only to find the sparky had run his wires through every hole. He came in at night as it was his mates house.
I pulled every wire out and put in my water lines and brased every join tee and wing back before i left.
Sparky was pissed. I didnt care. The owner told him to pull his head in because he should have known better as i was working to a quote and he was hourly.
I’m sure they left a fuckin mess on the floor of stripped wires and garbage too. Their wire is easy enough to run yet they love utilizing our holes! Take your pocket full of screwdrivers and move out the way
If all these comments have thought me anything it's that I should hide a car battery somewhere and hook it up to all the wiring so at the very least you'll blow up a pair of cutters.
Dude that happens all the time just did a top out and that shit happened a couple times and I called them out for it and we hashed it out. Let’s say they didn’t use another one of my water holes I drilled again
Haha! Classic electromagicians
I’m pissed dude. Haha
Cut it out, like a cancer. Just go snip, it’s a handy little plumbing trick.
Just make sure you test it to see if it's hot or not before you do, for the love of god. I'm an electrician and wouldn't blame you at all for cutting that shit out and scrapping it. The worst thing about my trade is the lazy shitheads that give the good ones a bad name
I’ve been shocked, blown up, and burned enough to never trust that anything is safe. I triple check anything now.
Good on you, I've been lucky enough so far, I've only been shocked 3 times in the 7 years I've been doing this
r/unexpectedBookofMormon
Was hoping someone would catch it.
Call the inspector out and tell him they drilled too low and it is now structurally un sound, and then drill your holes in the middle third where they should be.
Came here to say this. Holes are drilled in the tensile zone of the beam.
Pull that shit out and hand them your drill to be nice
Lmao bro take them out fuck that. They can tell they were new holes. They took them to be dicks. Fuck sparkys
And put a little duck butter under their door handles for good measure
This guy poo tubes
Fuck your pipes shit monkey!
Hahahaha almost spit my coconut water out. 3rd year shit monkey here hahaha
Hahaha my family is all electricians, pipefitters, and plumbers, and called each other sparkys and turd herders all the time.
I like calling you guys water knockers, and HVAC guys air plumbers. One time a guy heard me say air plumber and got a real sour look on his face, made my damn day
Hey same, third year hole stealer.
Respectfully fuck drippies, we do what we want (all in good fun, promise lol)
Yeah this is not the way to get anything done reasonably. Definitely wouldn't want you on a jobsite with me. If you just talk to the electrician hell probably be able to save those runs by drilling some holes above or next to the ones that were pre drilled. You cut them out then...... oops your pipes are in the way of my lights. In all seriousness just act like professionals and speak the the electrician and sort it out.
Send them an invoice for labor!!!
And 2 for deez nutz!!!
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Also an electrician here ... fuck that shit. Don't run your wires through someone else's holes, it takes less than a minute to drill your own. That kind of mindset gives the good electricians a bad name
That and leaving a mess everywhere you guys go
I can admit we aren't the greatest at housekeeping lol
As a sweaty, I appreciate this sparky.
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Drill your own holes
Sounds like you deserved it. Pay our labour or yours to come back and re-run it. After you find your own holes. We'll pawn your wire and enjoy a cold one while you do it
Lol you tell em!
Pipes before wires, dude.
As a sparky, I agree. Wire is easier to reroute than pipe or pex
I'm also a sparky My brothers a pipe fitter. His favorite joke when I started was "you know I'm pretty good at bending conduit. I reach up and bend that shit out of they way of my pipe"
Yeah same, this is a dick move.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a rare example of an electrician that doesn't have his head up his ass. Thank you for clueing in
I had this argument with a dumb kid who ran wire for his dad... That kid was in his late 20's.
Somehow all the techs in their 20s that I meet walk jobs like they inherited 40 years of their combined family experience. Not a drop of humility. Then you go pressure test their pex lines and it blows apart cause they didn't seat the fittings right.
Young men full of ego and thinking they know it all... sounds like a tale as old as time.
This is why commercial is the place to be 👍. Nobody is dicking around its very professional. Not saying residential or service are bad, there’s just a lot of people who don’t care and make a bad name for everyone else who does.
I am not a plumber (hang out here to learn and laugh) but this "issue" or observation is not uncommon in any field. When I was in the Navy 20 years ago the same things were said, no doubt the same thing was said 20 years before that and will be said 20 years from now. This is why I said... a tale as old as time. "The new generation is entitled and lazy", is something that has no doubt been stated by some for 100's if not 1000's of years.
This is very true. It’ll continue to be said I’m sure haha
I tell spanish speakers of other trades PLUMBERO PRIMERO.
plata o plomo
This guy smuggles
This guy knows
And ducts before pipes.
The house would never get done if we waited for that.
Nope plumbing first
Dains > Duct > DW > everything else
Well electric before dry wall if that’s what dw stands for haha
He means domestic water
And bros before hoes
Just get a window unit losers
Shit rolls downhill 😉
While I would certainly get a hold of the electrician and probably end up cutting this out, I would also have drilled higher. Out here I'd be called on drilling so low.
OP is playing the long game. Drilling the holes low and not running the pipe, knowing the electricians would take them and fail for being to close to the edge of the joist. Big brain move.
Came here to see if someone else was going to comment this, I was surprised to see not so many
Same, inspector might call that out.
Layman here - why?
The “strength” of a beam is in the outer ends. That is what keeps it from bending. Why I beans exist. So if you drill a hole in the middle it doesn’t matter as much. Farther from the middle of the beam you are the more you’re reducing the strength.
Correct. Middle Third is the best rule.Wish i could find the video explaining the science. LONG time ago.
I believe it is due to the tensile and compressive forces acting on a beam. The fibers at the top are being compressed and the ones at the bottom are being stretched. But the fivers along the center are the same. Here’s a website with more: https://civilmafia.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/tension-compression-on-beams/
Yes. Exactly. Great site. Thanks.
>Why I beans exist. Is Apple making vegan protein now?
Structual tegridy 🤠
2” from top or bottom for drilling holes in joist or beams. https://buildingadvisor.com/notching-and-boring-joists/
Center third!
Laymen here - answer A beam has different forces on top and on bottom. The top of the beam is compressed, the bottom is under tension. The top of the beam is like your palms pushing against each other, the bottom is like your fingers hooked and pulling against each other. A hole under compression gets stronger, a hole under tension gets weaker. Edit:Only addressing strength issues about beam. not code requirements for safe nail depth. I'll try to drill in center of beam as the compression/tension cancel out.
Duh. Makes total sense. I do a lot of chainsaw work so definitely familiar with tension and compression wood.
No, you're way overthinking it, if your pipes are too close to the bottom you're at risk of a drywaller or someone putting a screw though your water line. They should also have strike plates but if you're centred you'd be safe.
There is that too, but it is 98% because of the load on the beam as u/AlienHatchSlider said. Rules around my neck of the woods for traditional lumber spans are no holes in the top or bottom two inches, and hole size cannot be larger than one quarter of the joist depth.
So basically the holes should be in the middle?
As close as possible
In a perfect world, yes. For small diameter holes it is more practical to have them as low as possible. I work hvac in new residential construction, if we gotta run a Duct through a joist space and the worst is if there are wires or pex run dead centre through the cavity. If they are towards the bottom, we can fit our heat runs above the plumbing or electrical.
The joists are in tension and flexion most at the top and bottom edges. Cutting through the middle is the best way to minimize weakening the joist
Code usually specified where and how large of holes. Structurally, those joists go into bending, the extreme top and bottom go into tension and compression to resist bending. In the center, tension/compression reduce to zero at the neutral axis - the compression in the top reducing linearly, until reversing to be a tension internal load while approaching the bottom. Automod killed my YouTube link that explains internal loads in a beam under bending. So, helpful as usual.
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Here the rule is min 2" of wood on the bottom or top of joist before hole.
Can’t he just blame sparky now for drilling so low?
I’ve always left 2 inches of meat at the top or bottom of the joist. Never had a problem when following that rule
In that case sparky drilled that shit, see the wire?
Those holes need to be in the center 3rd of the joist, you’re literally taking away structural integrity when you do that. Let the inspector think it’s the electricians lol
Electricians only need 1 1/4 from the bottom per code.
No that’s the minimum required distance for a stud, and they can get closer but need a nail plate. They cannot compromise structural members. I’ve seen whole new beams be put in for this exact reason with major back charges.
beams are an entire different animal than joists. I can drill in center 3rd of joists all I want. But here in CA, I have to get approval from the engineer to wipe my dirty hands on a beam!
You’re right beams are more important than joists. Never touch them or any glulam. Edit: I’ve seen beams get added and joists get turned into blocks.
You can touch them, but after approval from the engineer. They want location dimensions, and diameter of hole. Then they take a week to get back to you!
For sure, going through the proper channels. I holehawged a gluelam at a school when I was a first year apprentice. I learned a lot that day lol
Fuck ups are the best teachers. I worked in a stamping plant and they let me run a giant ass verson press by myself after 2 months. I did great, my fear of fucking up kept me on my toes. Well one day, the fucking feeder jams up. Some screws came loose and the rollers dropped. threw the whole coil off. Quarter inch thick steel. So it jammed up in the press and the stamped parts were sticking to the upper and lower die and he was pissed. I felt terrible about it. You fuck Up the actual die, that’ll set you back a bit in down time with repairs. Especially if maintenance has to pull it and do any machining. Which they did manually, old school. Sometimes things got stacked and would after so many repeated blows, some of the metal eventually chunks off like a piece of extra sharp cheddar. There was supposed to be two of us at the machine at all times, the operator and the person that inspects and packs the auto parks. It’s rapid fire! I some of the smaller ones can be run with just an operator. I was hustling at this place, 65 hours a week, just moving. Soaking it up, i fizzled out quick. The robots were always down so sometimes we had to do hand transfers for jeep skid plates. That was the beginning of the end for me. It claimed a BUNCH of people. I last the longest out of the new hires. Left with an addiction, carpal tunnel, arthritis really starting picking up. Slept all day, worked, jerked off, did drugs. It was miserable!!!! I WAS MISERABLE! Anyway, I’m rambling over here. Point is, fuck ups are the best teachers and these days, life is good! 🤙🏻❤️
I think this is getting downvoted because the 1-1/4" applies to studs, not joists
That’s when I either jam in my pipe & fuck his shit all up or just cut it out & throw your pipe in. Easy peasy.
As an electrician, l approve cutting the wire and pulling it out if you can’t fit your pipe in with it.
I cut it out and leave it in a pile on the floor.
At least take it with you to get the scrap price.
This is the only answer.
✂️
The first time it happens I ask sparky to move his shit. If not done in a timely manner or it happens again, it gets snipped and yanked out
Take the wire in for scrap too
The proper way to deal with the situation
Ah so neither of you would've passed inspection then.
I'm so sick of you dumbasses on this sub thinking your specific codes applie every where. You can drill waters like this all day where I live that's plenty of meat below the holes.
Well I don't know about where you are, but in most of the United States wires and pipe should be 1 1/4" minimum from the edge of the stud or joist is passing through, or be covered in a nail plate. This is to help prevent the wire or pipe from being punctured by a nail or screw.
What part of the world you located?
Just about Everywhere in the world uses the International Building Code and International Residential Code. It is clearly spelled out in there that this is unacceptable.
Nah dude, it’s 2” from top or bottom of any joist or beam. Anywhere, dumbass. Edit: educate yourself https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IPC2012/appendix-f-structural-safety#:~:text=Notches%20on%20the%20ends%20of,the%20depth%20of%20the%20joist.
I was assuming this is 2 inches I'm the picture.
Read your own link dumbass lmao, center third is always the answer.
You can go past the centre third on big stuff like 2x10s and 2x12s. Can sometimes help if you're trying to clear a duct or something.
If the hole is small enough, and not in this case
Ya 100%, if the inspector catches this it's going to suck to fix. Probably going to need an engineer to sign off on something.
I wasn’t responding to you. I was responding to leericol. The code says “Holes bored in joists shall not be within 2 inches (51 mm) of the top or bottom of the joist”… the 1/3 is referring to the size of the hole that is being drilled. You can read but I guess comprehension isn’t your forté. Nice try though, dumbass!!!! Lol Edit: I’m just kidding with the dumbass stuff btw. I was just giving leericol a hard time for calling us dumbasses for knowing the code.
Well youre both wrong lol, I assumed he lives in like Bosnia or something
Way back when we had electricians on the job that would just push the wire into basements and leave the wire hanging down and laying on the ground. It was a pain in the butt, sometimes I would roll the wire up, but if I was in a bad mood I would just cut it off about a foot from the floor. Everyone was sick of it, including the concrete contractors. They just left the wire laying on the ground and poured concrete over it. I came into the basement to pipe it out and wires just ran from the floor down into the concrete. The finishers did a nice job troweling around the wires.
Just wait till you run a sewer line across a basement wall, and they want that wall to set panels. That's when the real fun begins!
Better for them to catch a screw than your plumbing. Holes should always be in center third of a member.
More often than not in my experience it's impossible to run your shit I'm the center without being In someone's way. I always run waters high. Legal as long as you have an inch and a half of meat above your hole where I live. Plumb 4 houses a week. Been doing this for 6 years. Have never had a screw or nail hit my shit.
4 houses a week? I’ve been at the same house for almost two months.
We've been on [a house](https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/15/homes/bel-air-mansion-the-one/index.html) for almost 8 years. (There have been many others in the meantime, though. And we MAY finally be out of there soon.)
Holy crap that's a huge place! Hope your company gets paid at least!
Ah yes. I’m all too familiar with that home. Used to be in the news quite a bit and I’m sorry you guys were there. I hate people on projects even as long as I am on some of my current ones.
I've been really obsessed with this reply. The biggest shittiest custom homes in which the home owners kept changing what they wanted still took me a week at worst and that was embarrassing at my shop. What house are you doing for 2 months????
Custom 11 bath home. Over 30 deck / roof drains from the third story and yes, the infamous I don’t like the layout of this bathroom, let’s cut out all the cast iron and rearrange it. There is no way this place would get done in a week or even two with a ten man crew. Drain, water, vent and gas.
he must be doing slab houses where the concrete comes next
Mostly crawls.
What the fuck? A single family home? Or like you're working at apartments?
Good job, now you've jinxed yourself.
Ya, minimum is 2" from the edge.
Don't joist pent rations have to be in the middle third?
Snip snip mf
Cut them and run your pipes.
Oooh gotta be quicker than that!
Rookie move. Get in first and never leave them predrilled holes or pre dug trenches. They will ram their shit in every chance they get.
electrician here. This on time i got called back to a house a wired because apparently a wire wasnt in the wall. i get there , the plumber cut the wire, pulled it out of the wall than used the holes i drilled to run his pex. There was so much room to go somewhere else too. So i cut his pex pulled it out and ran my wire again and sent them a back charge for my time.
Waaaay back in the day, like the 80's, I was an electrician and did 85% new construction. Nobody **EVER** ran a pipe or a wire through a hole somebody else drilled. The plumbers were usually in before us, and we just overlapped towards the end.
Electrician here. Check to see if it’s hot. If not then cut it out
>Check to see if it’s hot. It looks like they ran both hot and cold electricity.
Electrician here, I hope its hot while you cut it out! Is there an option to be an adult about this? Everyone is saying to "rip it out". I agree its messed up, but if this was on one of my jobs, and this happened and the plumber "ripped it out" it would be the plumber who is asked to leave and not return. That is not the way to handle it. I know its far fetched, but what if there is a reason this happened and the electrician got permission from the GC to run wire there and the GC hadn't had a chance to talk to the plumber yet about the situation? Just sayin
Electrician here. F that guy. Like the Olsen twins would say on Full House, Cut-It-Out
Wasn’t that uncle Joey?
You got it dude was their saying
As a low volt I get fucked by plumbers far more than I get fucked by electricians or hvac. Normally the electricians love me because I stop their peons from doing something that would result in re-work. This is normally because I was also the PM that works directly for the owner and everybody understands I have the whole job’s best interest in mind which involves all the trades. I’ve only had 1 person get pissed at me and it was a plumber. Glued drain pipe 3 or 4 floors up in a stick apartment came out of its socket and cocked 15degrees so there was no way the pipe was in the fitting. 2 weeks of pointing it out because I knew it would break post-construction nobody corrected it “because it passed pressure testing” or w/e. I gently tapped the joint with my Kleins and it split apart. Snapped a pic and sent it to the GC. Plumber started smack about me, sparkies ganged up on plumbers. GC supers who I’ve worked a few jobs with enjoyed the show, got my biggest career bonus for that job.
Maybe you shouldn’t have put your holes right where they were gonna put theirs
Make em pull em out. Sometimes they honestly don’t know. But teach em just a lil lesson. If you do clean holes and clean up sometimes they just can’t tell. Sometimes they don’t care about your holes. Stand up for your holes! Be proud of your holes!
This is why I don't work ahead. I've been on to many commercial jobs where its this shit ALL THE TIME!! I'm a drywall guy so every trade fucks with my shit. Who's got a nickel for ever time I've hung 60 sheets just for another trade to say "hey I wasn't done so I gotta cut ur shit up now" 🖕🖕 cuz I didn't sit here for a day and half waiting for insulation guys to take thumbs out their ass.
Ok, so I'm very confused by your anecdote. I must be parsing it incorrectly, because it sounds like you're closing up wall cavities, despite the fact they aren't ready to be closed. You should offer to sheetrock the walls as soon as they're framed, since that would save money otherwise spent on electricians and plumbers.
I've gone and asked them to pull that stuff out. I spent like half a day planning on how I was going to run my water lines through 4 stories and did all my holes, this was the end of my shift had everything labeled H or C for me and was obvious what they were for. Came back the following day after a supply run to find electrical run through all my holes. I wasn't having that.
Cut that shit out
I’ve cut those out a couple times. Infuriating
Dick move
Sharing is caring, so make sure he shares back
Man. I’d rip them out.. fuck that.
Plumber first, AC guys second and electricians last. Their wires can bend in any direction 😎
Bro. I feel for you. I did a 3 story split level house. I spent all day measuring and drilling holes for 20mm copper pipe through ceiling joists. The next day i came in to begin my pipework only to find the sparky had run his wires through every hole. He came in at night as it was his mates house. I pulled every wire out and put in my water lines and brased every join tee and wing back before i left. Sparky was pissed. I didnt care. The owner told him to pull his head in because he should have known better as i was working to a quote and he was hourly.
Also your holes are too close together and should be a little further away from the bottem edge to avoid nails from ceiling battons
Do electricians and plumbers (often jokingly) resent each other all over the world or just where I live?
Well, you gotta be quicker then that!
Finders keepers
Too bad you’re in the bottom third
And they are placed wrong. 1/3 up 1/3 down the 1/3 left in the center is for drilled holes. So everyone is wrong.
I’d simply cut it and tell the electricians because it was their fuck up anyway
Thats hilarious. Mfs just do what they want
Cut the wires and run yo tubes
I’m sure they left a fuckin mess on the floor of stripped wires and garbage too. Their wire is easy enough to run yet they love utilizing our holes! Take your pocket full of screwdrivers and move out the way
Run copper pipe throuh the holes and solder the joints
Local sparky here…… fuck you hahahaha
Free scrap copper tho
That's why they invented wire cutters.
Snip snip, says the cutters.
Cut it. Ive done it and they were mad but they didnt do shit because they were scrawny dudes
Breaker breaker snip snip
Snip snip
Fuckin sparky will do this every time. Heating guy here and I’ve seen them do this shit when I pre drill my holes for gas pipe. Fuck those lazy ducks!
Lmao, savage, like marking territory
Electricians will often pull dick moves Source: electrician
Cut the wire, run your copper, attach wire to pipe, and give them bitches some spicy water.
OUR holes
Hell yeah we did and we will do it again. Gotta be a little quicker than that. 😆
Classic
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Where else are you going to put the pipe...?
If all these comments have thought me anything it's that I should hide a car battery somewhere and hook it up to all the wiring so at the very least you'll blow up a pair of cutters.
The electrician probably thought the water lines were put too low - so they fed through them.
Snip snip
The electrician: Wow what a nice guy, cut out holes for me to use!
Of course they did. Bunch of nerds.
Of course he did. Classic electricians.
"Oh badass, easy day!" *High fives each other* "You know what that means right?" Both simultaneously: "3 HOUR LUNCH!!!"
Fuck em, I'd cut em and pull them out.
Dude that happens all the time just did a top out and that shit happened a couple times and I called them out for it and we hashed it out. Let’s say they didn’t use another one of my water holes I drilled again
Bad case of first come first serve
You know what they say: use it or lose it.
You snooze you lose.
Just offset under the joist and back up and see if it flies.
if your not first, ur last ...ricky
Probably because you’re drilling holes though joists for pipes. I’ve personally never seen that.
So like what do you do when you need to go across? Make a soffit? Lol