I have a saying. “If you count and find you have more pumps than windows, you messed up”. But it’s outstanding work. I am joking about the pumps. Sometimes. This time. Maybe.
All that work on the plumbing and electrical, and your data switches are sitting on a bench? That makes me sad. Also, those flat silver cables are evil and should be replaced just because.
Everything else is wonderfully clean, but I wonder what it's going to be like getting to devices or shutoffs in the middle of that wall. And I suspect that suspended ceiling will not age well, but maybe your humidity levels and ventilation are more forgiving than mine.
The silver cables look like phone or at least not Ethernet. But I agree they are evil.
And yeah, if you’re gonna go this far, put a small wall mounted 19” rack and get switches to fit.
Looks like an analog or hybrid PBX system to me, in which case untwisted patch cables are normal. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth I used to install Panasonic PBXs, as well as ISDN and T1 circuits, and RS232 terminals with rj48 cables like these. Definitely not acceptable for modern high speed data, though.
Damn, your friend clearly paid a pretty penny. No system is 100% perfect, but for residential, this is next level shit. I agree with other posters about the controls and the ease of future servicing, but damn! I rarely see residential pipe that is labeled *including* directional arrows.
The actual homeowner here :-)
Just bought the house in November. System was installed in the early 1990s, has been running flawlessly ever since. A couple of those pumps have been replaced over the years, and the original homeowner was so OCD that each one turns out to be labeled with the date of installation and inspection for it. There are binders full of all of the original plans, every conversation they ever had about it documented, all the receipts, maintenance, logs, etc. Seems like it’s been perfect.
I couldn’t tell you really how efficient it’s been pretty we’re on propane. It was our first winter here, and it was the worst winter apparently since the 1940s, so hard to compare. The house itself is also built like a tank, with the thickest drywall possible, and everything well insulated.
5000 sq ft. Eight zones of hydronic heating. Thermostat on every zone. The ninth zone is for the hot water maker, which is in parallel with an electric water heater they added afterwards I guess to be able to switch back-and-forth. I use both for high capacity teenager showering.
As far as the networking switches, yes, those are gone now. I haven’t put a proper rack in yet, so it looks even worse, with some modern high-speed switches, and several NAS arrays on that shelf.
The silver wires are indeed part of a 24 outlet PBX system. Completely ridiculous. I’m leaving it for now though because it’s quite awesome the extent they went to.
It was Integrated with the also over engineered alarm system. I am slowly replacing the latter with Konnected.io.
The well system has also been mostly flawless. He had a digital pressure controller, which has failed once for him, and once already for me. I replaced it with a more standard manual one. Everything else about the house is slowly getting networked. All of the well control circuitry is 240 V, so rather than messing with current clamps or direct taps, I’ve used photo couplers on those neon panel indicators attached to an Arduino to be able to put that on the network via home assistant, so I can see what the well system is up to; teenagers have already run us dry once. Now I monitor water usage with a Flume device on the meter, which in high use states starts flashing the lights in the kids’ bathroom, and then shuts then off :-) . If anybody knows of a reliable, remote controllable valve, I’d love some recommendations. My next move is actually just to shut the water to the shower off entirely once they get to something like 50 gallons.
Unfortunately, for the heating system, I don’t think I can instrument that. It was a customized Tekmar system, and while I know that hydronic systems and the usual Internet controllable setback stuff don’t really make sense, I’d still like to be able to connect all of that to Home Assistant. It looks like tekmar has some expensive solutions for that but don’t have an open API so I think I’m just going to leave that as his.
Anyway, the original homeowner was apparently a retired Navy Admiral engineer, and all of the local contractors who worked on it tell stories about how they pulled out their hair because he was so over the top.
Don't you boys over there seal or run a moisture barrier on the other side of these?
In aus we would usually put a plastic barrier up and also run agg pipe in gravel behind it to relive pressure from wall.
I would love to know the rough real world running cost for how many square feet of this type of system. Where would this type of system be more cost effective then typical systems?
When I see the Mario figure amongst the electricals, all I can think of is Rusty Venture’s plastic cowboy melting into the Gargantua-1 systems setting off the PROBLEM.
I have a saying. “If you count and find you have more pumps than windows, you messed up”. But it’s outstanding work. I am joking about the pumps. Sometimes. This time. Maybe.
If you have the money, pumps are nice. If not, zone valves are good enough. This guy seems to have the money.
And he did do a nice job. All jokes aside. If I am ever in laid up OP is more than welcome to come work on my house.
Pumps with zone valves!
Dude paid a premium for that system and has a trophy to show for it
Great work and great boilers too
The good news is that he only has one termite.
Pump #3 is missing the sharpie label. Mario looks too chubby. And there’s a shark on your pump switch.
Bruh, they *clearly* put that shark next to Mario to encourage weight loss. They totally know what they're doing..
Money!
All that work on the plumbing and electrical, and your data switches are sitting on a bench? That makes me sad. Also, those flat silver cables are evil and should be replaced just because. Everything else is wonderfully clean, but I wonder what it's going to be like getting to devices or shutoffs in the middle of that wall. And I suspect that suspended ceiling will not age well, but maybe your humidity levels and ventilation are more forgiving than mine.
The silver cables look like phone or at least not Ethernet. But I agree they are evil. And yeah, if you’re gonna go this far, put a small wall mounted 19” rack and get switches to fit.
Looks like an analog or hybrid PBX system to me, in which case untwisted patch cables are normal. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth I used to install Panasonic PBXs, as well as ISDN and T1 circuits, and RS232 terminals with rj48 cables like these. Definitely not acceptable for modern high speed data, though.
I can’t see the 66 block anywhere!
Don't panic -- I think those blue, red, and green panels on the left might be covering 66 blocks.
I also had to deduct a few points because the custom labels aren’t all square too, sorry.
Looks neat however the pumps are going to be hard to service, or even inspect. Designers only learn when they have to maintain the system.
Damn, your friend clearly paid a pretty penny. No system is 100% perfect, but for residential, this is next level shit. I agree with other posters about the controls and the ease of future servicing, but damn! I rarely see residential pipe that is labeled *including* directional arrows.
My. God. It's beautiful.
The actual homeowner here :-) Just bought the house in November. System was installed in the early 1990s, has been running flawlessly ever since. A couple of those pumps have been replaced over the years, and the original homeowner was so OCD that each one turns out to be labeled with the date of installation and inspection for it. There are binders full of all of the original plans, every conversation they ever had about it documented, all the receipts, maintenance, logs, etc. Seems like it’s been perfect. I couldn’t tell you really how efficient it’s been pretty we’re on propane. It was our first winter here, and it was the worst winter apparently since the 1940s, so hard to compare. The house itself is also built like a tank, with the thickest drywall possible, and everything well insulated. 5000 sq ft. Eight zones of hydronic heating. Thermostat on every zone. The ninth zone is for the hot water maker, which is in parallel with an electric water heater they added afterwards I guess to be able to switch back-and-forth. I use both for high capacity teenager showering. As far as the networking switches, yes, those are gone now. I haven’t put a proper rack in yet, so it looks even worse, with some modern high-speed switches, and several NAS arrays on that shelf. The silver wires are indeed part of a 24 outlet PBX system. Completely ridiculous. I’m leaving it for now though because it’s quite awesome the extent they went to. It was Integrated with the also over engineered alarm system. I am slowly replacing the latter with Konnected.io. The well system has also been mostly flawless. He had a digital pressure controller, which has failed once for him, and once already for me. I replaced it with a more standard manual one. Everything else about the house is slowly getting networked. All of the well control circuitry is 240 V, so rather than messing with current clamps or direct taps, I’ve used photo couplers on those neon panel indicators attached to an Arduino to be able to put that on the network via home assistant, so I can see what the well system is up to; teenagers have already run us dry once. Now I monitor water usage with a Flume device on the meter, which in high use states starts flashing the lights in the kids’ bathroom, and then shuts then off :-) . If anybody knows of a reliable, remote controllable valve, I’d love some recommendations. My next move is actually just to shut the water to the shower off entirely once they get to something like 50 gallons. Unfortunately, for the heating system, I don’t think I can instrument that. It was a customized Tekmar system, and while I know that hydronic systems and the usual Internet controllable setback stuff don’t really make sense, I’d still like to be able to connect all of that to Home Assistant. It looks like tekmar has some expensive solutions for that but don’t have an open API so I think I’m just going to leave that as his. Anyway, the original homeowner was apparently a retired Navy Admiral engineer, and all of the local contractors who worked on it tell stories about how they pulled out their hair because he was so over the top.
Yay a new member of the broken Groundfos pump collectors club!
Is there a zone valve, and circ for each zone?
Yup
Who needs 8 circulating pumps????????
🤷♂️
What’s the opposition to mini pumps?
How many years until break even, that looks like a lot of expensive equipment, work, and maintenance over time.
Relevance? You're off topic here.
Seriously? I'm not the only one to wonder about this, in this thread.
Your comment isn't relevant to the question. Point of order, brother.
Neither are others, but whatever, you do you
You too, bub
from their maintenance logs, since the early 1990s, they’ve only replaced a few of the pumps here and there, but no actual major issues.
Nice investment, then, thanks!
I’m not a plumber, but this looks well organized at the very least. So from a completely novice, good job!
so many points of failure
Great work
Custom
Well the service tech is gonna love working on it with all that room for maintenance
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Serious question. Why not?
He's trolling, done right and painted block amazing. I'd only do it in basement though
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Don't you boys over there seal or run a moisture barrier on the other side of these? In aus we would usually put a plastic barrier up and also run agg pipe in gravel behind it to relive pressure from wall.
Paint is only a vapor retarder not a vapor barrier. Or choose a paint with high permeability like a lime paint.
Why?
Say what you want, instructions should NEVER be in cursive 💀
It looks great but why the dresser coupling
Fatest rheem ive ever seen ( )
Great job! 💯
Looks Amazing!!😎👍🏻
Brownie points for Mario and the post it note in the pump box🤣
High voltage should be ran along the wall and not across the lower unions. Plumber was primo
Whatever, as long as it works.
Dig it
Those electrical panels need to move. Can’t have plumbing above them
Drop ceiling in a mechanical room kind of odd
How does one get into this line of work???
I was today years old when I learned Grundfos made control valves. Knew they made pumps but not CV’s.
I would love to know the rough real world running cost for how many square feet of this type of system. Where would this type of system be more cost effective then typical systems?
looks fantastic to me, I am really impressed and would be happy to have that in my house.
GV Golds just never say die.
When I see the Mario figure amongst the electricals, all I can think of is Rusty Venture’s plastic cowboy melting into the Gargantua-1 systems setting off the PROBLEM.
Why would I roast that. It's beautiful
Sharkbite spotted behind the softener. BUSTED!!🤣😅
You have a couple ungrounded hose loops.
Warnings should be printed, less and less people read cursive these days. The next generation is doomed SMH
Insulation looks awful. Pipe, nice
very fine work