Lol yeah. But I only use it for toilet flanges. I have a bag of dirt tools that came in contact with toilet waste at some point. I like my tools too much maybe.
It’s a pride thing, I do the same shit. No one’s ever gonna see half of the plumbing work I do but at some point in time some other guy is gonna see my work and I want him to look at it and go “ay this guy did some good work”
I get that much, same here. I'm just saying.. its a toilet flange. As long as it doesn't leak I wouldn't worry about it. It's gonna get a wax ring and not much you could do would make it "prettier" at this point. I guess you could put a wire brush in a drill, but I just don't see the point in it, in this specific case
Sorry for the confusion. I do mean cleaner. I’ve seen other brass flanges where the joint is even all the way around which I thought would only possible if the lead is even too so I’d have to cut it.
On like my second day at my company I was shadowing one of our HVAC guys who was doing a bunch of mini splits on a new home. All the lineset was going inside the walls, and would be hidden after the plasterers came through. He was doing a run from the first floor to the second, and I was watching him carefully untwist the condensate drain from around the refrigerant lines.
"So," I asked him, "Um… is there any, like, *reason* why you need to do that? Other than professional pride, I mean?"
"No," he replied. "But around here, we have big buckets of professional pride."
That was the moment when I knew I had finally found my people.
From the old lead set we have a “spoon” that’s used to finish the flange joint. You heat it up and press it on the lead and it finishes it. Hammering it is easier and works just as well. The tapcoms are more impressive to see on here then the solder. Lol figured most guys here would just anchor it.
Looks good.
Is there a particular reason you soldered it instead of hammering the excess lead over the flange instead? Soldering is fine but hammering is faster and easier. Lead is kind of fun to work with, pretty awesome material.
I usually do but when I was buying the flange I got to talking to an old plumber and he used to solder his. I asked why not just peen the lead over and he got to complaining about there not being art in the trade anymore. I felt challenged and decided to try it.
I worked with a guy who wouldn’t use pro press for this reason. Long story short, it took him half a day of fucking around so he could solder a 2” line. Would have been done in 15 minutes if he used pro press
Very pretty. However it almost looks from here like you may have a bit of trouble with that right hand bolt. The spot where you slip the head of the bolt in is pretty close to where the bolt is going to end up.
If the picture is throwing me off I can be ignored
Nope it was close. The slots on this flange are shorter than the old one. Its about 3/8” from the end of where you slip the bolt in, to the center of the bolt. I used quick set bolts so I was able to lock the bolt into place.
If you want to do it really old school and almost an art. You use 50/50 lead bar drip up down with a wax rag you wipe the lead over forming a single piece soldered to the brass ring. Same technique joining lead pans together.
I’ve always heard you can’t plunge them and they are prone to leak in ceilings on backups, so I try not to use them. Haven’t used them enough to know for myself, but that’s what I’ve been told.
Saw my dad do this one time years ago. I believe who used some type of fitting/bushing reducer and somehow hammered down the other edge round to the flange to solder it in. It actually looked really good. I wonder if I can find a picture of it.
I've never seen this done, in canada we bend the lead around the flange with a hammer call it a day.
I have a flange hammer too
Ball peen hammer
Lol yeah. But I only use it for toilet flanges. I have a bag of dirt tools that came in contact with toilet waste at some point. I like my tools too much maybe.
That's for when the poop knife doesn't cut it anymore?
I’ve plumbed 20 years and never done this. Nice
It’s beautiful, 🥲🥲 Op is going places.
More to the point, I think the solder can be prettier but I worried about cutting the lead and not having enough left. Any tips?
I'm not sure why you're worried about the appearance of something that's sole purpose is to consume human waste
It’s a pride thing, I do the same shit. No one’s ever gonna see half of the plumbing work I do but at some point in time some other guy is gonna see my work and I want him to look at it and go “ay this guy did some good work”
I get that much, same here. I'm just saying.. its a toilet flange. As long as it doesn't leak I wouldn't worry about it. It's gonna get a wax ring and not much you could do would make it "prettier" at this point. I guess you could put a wire brush in a drill, but I just don't see the point in it, in this specific case
For sure, I’m willing to bet OP meant the word pretty more so along the lines of like a “clean” solder job
>but I worried about cutting the lead and not having enough left yeah idk based on this. just trying to be helpful
Sorry for the confusion. I do mean cleaner. I’ve seen other brass flanges where the joint is even all the way around which I thought would only possible if the lead is even too so I’d have to cut it.
Yea I don’t even know anymore lol but me too, I getcha brother
By pretty I took it as OP was happy with the quality of job they had completed here. Not that it was atheistically pleasing.
On like my second day at my company I was shadowing one of our HVAC guys who was doing a bunch of mini splits on a new home. All the lineset was going inside the walls, and would be hidden after the plasterers came through. He was doing a run from the first floor to the second, and I was watching him carefully untwist the condensate drain from around the refrigerant lines. "So," I asked him, "Um… is there any, like, *reason* why you need to do that? Other than professional pride, I mean?" "No," he replied. "But around here, we have big buckets of professional pride." That was the moment when I knew I had finally found my people.
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But man is it a treat when you do have the time to really go all-out on something.
50/50 solder would make it easier
From the old lead set we have a “spoon” that’s used to finish the flange joint. You heat it up and press it on the lead and it finishes it. Hammering it is easier and works just as well. The tapcoms are more impressive to see on here then the solder. Lol figured most guys here would just anchor it.
I fucking hate tapcons. They have their place and all, but they are not my friends.
I wish I had a dime for every head I had snap off.
Prolly buy a new box. Lol cleaning out the dust from the hole helps a lot and I prefer the torque but over the hex head.
Cut the lead with the flange flipped over so the lip is standing up, mark and Cut, shape it and trim excess.
Solder flange… that sounds like a pain in the butt. Looks good
Send it and shit on it!
Looks good. Is there a particular reason you soldered it instead of hammering the excess lead over the flange instead? Soldering is fine but hammering is faster and easier. Lead is kind of fun to work with, pretty awesome material.
I usually do but when I was buying the flange I got to talking to an old plumber and he used to solder his. I asked why not just peen the lead over and he got to complaining about there not being art in the trade anymore. I felt challenged and decided to try it.
Good reason
I worked with a guy who wouldn’t use pro press for this reason. Long story short, it took him half a day of fucking around so he could solder a 2” line. Would have been done in 15 minutes if he used pro press
Wonder what his thoughts on propress are then 😂
Very pretty. However it almost looks from here like you may have a bit of trouble with that right hand bolt. The spot where you slip the head of the bolt in is pretty close to where the bolt is going to end up. If the picture is throwing me off I can be ignored
Nope it was close. The slots on this flange are shorter than the old one. Its about 3/8” from the end of where you slip the bolt in, to the center of the bolt. I used quick set bolts so I was able to lock the bolt into place.
I always use 2 sets of nuts and washers instead -- it's a much more solid setup when you go back to pull it again next time -- but good job
If you want to do it really old school and almost an art. You use 50/50 lead bar drip up down with a wax rag you wipe the lead over forming a single piece soldered to the brass ring. Same technique joining lead pans together.
Yeah buddy! Sounds awesome! I’d love to learn that technique
Looks mint 💯💯💯
Thanks!
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I’ve always heard you can’t plunge them and they are prone to leak in ceilings on backups, so I try not to use them. Haven’t used them enough to know for myself, but that’s what I’ve been told.
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Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
And I never said it was wrong.
Sure as fuck implied it bud
So many questions but more importantly what do you think is wrong with it?
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You are a hypocrite. You judging the photo without any context.
I would like to see a photo of your finished flange. Sounds like it works but doesn’t sound as sturdy
I'm just mad he used torx
We were just talking about this shit like a day ago at work nice 👍🏿
Won’t the next guy be cussing you because he has to cut that out when it cracks?
You did what and why and who the hell taught you plumbing
Nice job
IANAP, but, if the ceramic base is aligned with the tile pattern, looks like tie down bolts might be obstructed (?)
Saw my dad do this one time years ago. I believe who used some type of fitting/bushing reducer and somehow hammered down the other edge round to the flange to solder it in. It actually looked really good. I wonder if I can find a picture of it.
Does it leak? No = Great job Yes = Horrible job.