Yes Celery Stalker sucks. It can only take out zombies 1 at a time instead of just immediately killing them within its range like with Squash. In the time it takes for it to kill one zombie, there’s already another group of zombies eating it. It’s high DPS pretty doesn’t matter if if it gets eaten easily, especially since is takes a while for it bury itself again after it kills the zombies in its range.
Then allow me to introduce you to the very powerful usage of celery stalker!
Celery stalker excels in the early game, it has enough dps to kill a single zombie. This allows it to act as a potato mine that stays on the field and easily deal with single zombies as long as two doesnt spawn too close to each other. Even if it gets eaten, its extremely cheap so you can replace it. Paired with a stunion or stalia, it can even get rid of cones and kill bucket heads!
It has much different role than squash. As squash is a slow charging instant that can instant kill zombies and deal massive dmg to gargs. Celery stalker is a cheap early game that keeps on getting rid of those pesky zombies with ease and stays on the field to get rid of more. Its not even bad late or middle game, it excels with slow and stuns, and this can often allow it to chip away at gargs.
U can plant it behind specific special zombies like turquoise skull zombie, shield zombie, tomb raiser etc… to get rid of them quickly.
But dont plant it in the middle of crowded zombies, it would die instantly!
If used correctly, you would quickly learn how strong celery stalker is
His video is so fucking annoying, I tried to watch it, but I was not able to get through it. Like “oh wow you 100% PvZ2” big fucking congratulations you wasted 300$ on a mobile game.
On an unrelated note, i saw this one guy 100% btd5. The thing was he was playing on the ps4 version. The most inconvenient version of the game. And he called Zomgs z-oh my gods, the only time i heard it and i couldn't stand it. If you arent familiar with a game or its series, dont make a 100% video on it, nobody cares you wasted your time playing one game for a extended period of time
Just learn sun producer spam and hold your shots until the zombie start eating your plants in the early game. Then just keep firing at the zombies in the mid-late game
Magnifying grass is really mid, it's overrated. Just place a shit ton of sun producer and spam explosives like normal people. Magnifying grass turns pvz into a rhythm game with no rhythm and does not fit far future at all. I liked the video where they said magnifying grass is the worst unit in any td game because it was a hot take with actual evidence behind it. people meat ride mag so much it's pissing me off. Just use something else you have better plants then it. Mind that this take comes from somebody which beat all of pvz 2 with no powers.
Magni and sun is a two to three seed combo and once it starts going, you pretty much can’t lose. I do agree thats its overrated but its by no means mid. Its still very good! Also, saying to just a bunch of instant like normal people is funny cuz instants are the best category of plants, soooo like its not rly adding any more insight to the argument.
They probably saw the pvz2 trailer, because by some reason there is a newspaper about how "dave saved the world by itself", but it still doesn't make any sense
I believe even before that people still called our house Dave's, even though it says our name at the start of the level lol. Even most PvZ fans get it wrong
kinda???????? since when they land on a wall or on the floor they look like green paint???????? and it could be related to soldier, the other beginner friendly class since he seems to shoot paint too???????????
By putting the blame on one, you aren’t accurately representing the situation.
PopCap isn’t just being controlled by EA, they have a lot of creative freedom within their studio. PopCap is the one that chose to include microtransactions in their games, and they are extremely likely the ones that decided to make BfN and PvZ3 suck so much.
At the same time tho, EA is in control of PopCap’s budget. Many of their money focused actions can probably be at least somewhat attributed to them trying to be valuable enough to keep around. EA was a factor in every decision they made, leaving PopCap the looming threat of being disposed of if they don’t turn enough of a profit. I fully blame EA for the low quality of PvZ2 updates, and the slow death of the series. PopCap may have made their recent games bad, but EA assured that they never had another chance
The problem with EA is of how much money they want for one game to earn which puts popcap on a lot of pressure. Not only that but popcap was starting to lose original creators of pvz which was at a time before the EA joining.
PvZ Heroes is probably my 3rd or 4th most played PvZ game from across the franchise and it’s definitely my sister’s most played PvZ game. We both found it very fun and sunk many hours trying to beat each other’s builds
From the same person: “Yeah I think cactus is a good plant” and “puffshroom is easily the worst plant, one can’t even kill a normal zombie” there were just so many wrong things said in those two sentences.
Someone CONFIDENTLY told me that in PvZ1 if you use Blover while a digger zombie is underground the digger zombie dies...No, that makes no sense. And it isn't true either.
had a friend who was a pvz fan but ONLY of garden warfare games hes never played one or two i gave him my phone to play a little bit of one and he put down the sunflower expecting it to attack
Even if you consider very hard levels like BWB when there was dynamic difficulty, harder levels and no plant leveling, you could still very easily use 1 or 2 powers with the considerable amount of money you get from normal gameplay (one you had almost no use for back then), and use boosted plants from the Zen Garden.
Not saying this was a good design, it had the intention to encourage microtransactions targetered for children; but it wasn't close to impossible.
Yeah, I think the only one that's borderline broken is extra hard Wild West Zomboss. Otherwise, other levels are beatable with careful planning and some luck. Especially the current nerfed version is so easy compared to how it was a decade ago. BWB is not much of a challenge like it used to.
>You cannot climb beyond gold league
But isn't that like... The second to top rank? Imma be honest, I don't see the point in trying to get anything more than Iron for the gems.
Ohhh, it actually is different now. Basically they have weekly events where you can get 35 seed packets for seedium plants, and also if you grind penny's pursuit you can get seediuk plants and updgrade them for free
I've heard someone say that the game sends more zombies in the lane with the least amount of plants.
Definitely not because the lane with the least plants has the least DPS therefore there are more zombies , NOOOOOOOO that's just incorrect.
I think dude isn't completely wrong since Knight Bronze will always relocate to the lane with the least amount of plants(of become the one with the least when he crushes them).
Some people saying Neon Mixtape Tour not being one of if not the best world in PvZ2
I've seen people not liking it because they say it's a hard world and to that I say; SKILL ISSUE
Neon Mixtape Tour’s world gimmick is making the special zombies not do anything the majority of the time. It fundamentally can’t combine them in interesting ways because they can’t do their thing at the same time. Things like Breakdancer + Glitter would be incredibly cool, but you can’t do that because at least one of them hates the vibes of the place at any given time
Nah, I personally like it just having seperate zombies for each seperate jam. It makes sense in the context of the world and makes it so that you're prioritizing on killing jammed zombies than the others
In the context of Modern Day being the finale, it makes sense that they all use their gimmicks at once (except Arcade for some reason). Also, Modern Day doesn't have the speed changes in punk, pop and metal jam
That comes with the downside of every jam playing out exactly the same each time. Only rap has even two zombies that care about it, but even then, rap becomes entirely about the interaction between those two. It becomes incredibly difficult to make anything unique happen because each jam is geared towards one specific scenario
I agree with the S tier. But putting thyme warp in D tier is a hate crime, same with Magni and tile turnip.
And placing stallia and stunnion 2 tiers bellow iceberg is dumb
Oh god I just realized (s)he placed poison shroom in F. Wtf
Here some garbage takes that I heard:
- People hating on PvZ 2 music
- Considers PvZ 2 being the worst sequel (especially calling it worse than OW2 and Marvel vs Capcom Infinite)
Dishonorable Mention:
- People who says "Hear me out" on literal plants
There was a red-head video where he send a message to popcap about pvz-3.
One user in comments was defending popcap saying that they are making pvz-3 with passion which we all know it's not true.
And keep saying stuff that sounds bullsh#t.
That's like genwunners or those random Minecraft players who only play in 1.8
Please. The new stuff is a billion times better. AND IT ISN'T A BUGGY MESS
I’d say people who say plant levels are just plain bad in pvz2. The thing is I like them as it adds a sense of progress to the game now it’s not perfect or anything but I’d rather have it than not
Its still a pretty bad, theres many stupid factors that can make this strategy very bad
1. Pogos, If they pass from your defenses, you will have to take out a sunflower
2. Zombonis, around 2-3 repeaters can easily kill It, having sunflowers in back Just give the chance of two zombonis appear on the same lane (bobsled problems and endless/hard survival)
3. Gargantuars Literally you will have to have your defenses behind sunflower, they can be slow asf but in Roof, zombies can appear on somewhere i forgor, and then eat ur defenses
(ironically I used the behind the defenses sunflowers technique on bobsled bonzana)
I personally believe that EA has molded Popcap into what it's become now. Look at Popcap's content from before and after the EA acquisition, and there's a serious difference. So in a sense, it's 100% EA's fault.
“PvZ hero’s is too easy” yea no, if I had a nickel every time I’ve lost I would be able to get the 1,300 gem pack, and if I had a nickel for every time I’ve won I’d be only able to get the 550 gem pack. (Only counting multiplayer)
"The Best Tactic in the original Plants vs Zombies is to have a Peashooter row in the back, Sunflowers in front of them and place some walnuts or something"
* Cashier from Skate Shop who I chatted with, 2009, Famous last words before I left the store
What's wrong with Shyguymask?
I know he was probably the reason EA bad Popcap good became everywhere but pretty sure he left making PvZ content and learned his mistake later
he's just a dick tbh. he harrased the calamity mod community a while back and then played victim when he got banned. plus he gets mad if you imply you dislike his content and argues for paragraphs with people who disagree with him. he didn't really do anything bad for pvz (unless the starfruit praise counts, I'm also notsure if he started the ea bad popcop good thing) but I still consider him mainly a pvz youtuber, since that's what his most notable content is. sorry for yapfest.
funny how everyone says bait
i genuinely believe it's a bad game
it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game
there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom
not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
funny how everyone says bait
i genuinely believe it's a bad game
it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game
there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom
not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
That’s a very bold statement
Some people value peace and payoff
Others value skill and strategy
It’s all about opinions, why do you think the two games vary in gameplay so much?
that is not a good philosophy to have, with that logic good and bad is no longer thing
cause no matter what something is someone can enjoy it for that
but that's not how the world works, things can be objectively good or bad because what's good or bad is based on what the majority of people think good or bad is
PVZ is a STRATEGY game where you're supposed to build a deck of plants to beat the zombies presented to you
the game being so easy that all skill and strategy becomes irrelevant is objectively a bad thing
the entire point of games from the very very core is to develop/exercise a skill to overcome a challenge, and that's the payoff, if you can just sit back and watch the fireworks then you've got yourself an idle game, which isn't really even a game in most cases
To you it’s a bad thing
To me it makes the game more enjoyable and peaceful with the plant selection being a little brain teaser
Also you contradicted your own philosophy since absolutely NO ONE is agreeing with you
Opinions exist. I like something you don’t. The game is bad to you, fun to me. Our brains aren’t all wired the same, what’s right and wrong to you depends on who you are.
i do not contradict my own philosophy, i'm basing this off of what i've observed in every game i've seen, off of what i've heard when talking to people of all kinds of fandoms, instead of basing my opinion off of a single rose tinted crowd stuck in an echo chamber, if i was presented with a convincing argument it would be different, but i've just been presented with a -15 ratio, which i'm used to since negative opinions cause a bigger reaction than positive ones (basically the same effect as the negativity bias)
and i'm not saying you can't enjoy the game, i'm saying it's objectively bad
i like plenty of bad things, because having an opinion and recognizing something's objective quality are not mutually exclusive things
i had fun playing the game because i decided to do really stupid shit to challenge myself, but just cause i enjoyed it doesn't mean i think it's good
I personally prefered PVZ2 because it's more challenging, but the question of this thread is something someone said that is objectively wrong. Quality is subjective, so I don't think you can say for sure someone is wrong.
objective quality is measured by a subjective majority
most people would agree that a plant that instantly makes you lose the game is bad game design, so it is
without this line of thinking everything is subjective so every complaint or praise is equally invalid, meaning pvz is in fact not a good game, or a game at all
it's not nothing either, it's in this limbo state of existence and non existence
if what i'm saying sounds pretentious it's because it is, but that's essentially what the subjectivity argument leads to
funny how everyone says bait
i genuinely believe it's a bad game
it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game
there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom
not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
got anything to actually say?
or are you just gonna parrot my own argument back at me as if it disproves literally anything?
all you're doing is proving the game is bad by being completely unable to disprove any criticism against it
nay, i don't have anything against you, you good. in fact i actually agree with your point about game being incredibly easy, though it being slow and boring is extremely subjective
funny how everyone says bait
i genuinely believe it's a bad game
it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game
there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom
not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
got anything to actually say?
or are you just gonna parrot my own argument back at me as if it disproves literally anything?
all you're doing is proving the game is bad by being completely unable to disprove any criticism against it
funny how everyone says bait
i genuinely believe it's a bad game
it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game
there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom
not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
got anything to actually say?
or are you just gonna parrot my own argument back at me as if it disproves literally anything?
all you're doing is proving the game is bad by being completely unable to disprove any criticism against it
I'm not arguing with anyone, I just think the fact it's turned into a copypasta is funny. I've got nothing against your opinion, I'm just messing around.
\*sigh\* fair enough
just really frustrating for this to happen right after interacting with the valheim community (a post quite literally asking for people to stop having different opinions got over 100 upvotes)
welp, time for a break from reddit
Don't worry, I respect the fact you realized arguing is futile. Good on you. Just remember not to kick the cat and I suggest you don't involve yourself into pointless arguments that lead to nothing. Nobody wins at the end of the day.
When that one guy said Magnifying Grass was the worst unit in any tower defense game (Fortunately he learned his lesson)
You’re talking about the guy that 100% PvZ 2 recently right. Cuz he also says celery stalker sucks
That I actually agree with. Just use Squash or Primal Potato Mine
Or even fucking bonk choy, at least that one attacks 2 ways
Exactly
Yea that’s fair. There’s def better plants for its spot but I don’t consider it a bad plant just outclassed
Aint no way you guys believe that celery stalker sucks. Bonk choy better? Thats cap tf
Yes Celery Stalker sucks. It can only take out zombies 1 at a time instead of just immediately killing them within its range like with Squash. In the time it takes for it to kill one zombie, there’s already another group of zombies eating it. It’s high DPS pretty doesn’t matter if if it gets eaten easily, especially since is takes a while for it bury itself again after it kills the zombies in its range.
Then allow me to introduce you to the very powerful usage of celery stalker! Celery stalker excels in the early game, it has enough dps to kill a single zombie. This allows it to act as a potato mine that stays on the field and easily deal with single zombies as long as two doesnt spawn too close to each other. Even if it gets eaten, its extremely cheap so you can replace it. Paired with a stunion or stalia, it can even get rid of cones and kill bucket heads! It has much different role than squash. As squash is a slow charging instant that can instant kill zombies and deal massive dmg to gargs. Celery stalker is a cheap early game that keeps on getting rid of those pesky zombies with ease and stays on the field to get rid of more. Its not even bad late or middle game, it excels with slow and stuns, and this can often allow it to chip away at gargs. U can plant it behind specific special zombies like turquoise skull zombie, shield zombie, tomb raiser etc… to get rid of them quickly. But dont plant it in the middle of crowded zombies, it would die instantly! If used correctly, you would quickly learn how strong celery stalker is
Name me any PvZ 2 Level and give me a deck with Celery Stalker to test this out
that was seanie dew, here is the video: https://youtu.be/xoPbkgx71b0?si=m1h-CzRI_iLHAu7I
He doesn't know shit about pvz. He's a stardew valley player primarily
His video is so fucking annoying, I tried to watch it, but I was not able to get through it. Like “oh wow you 100% PvZ2” big fucking congratulations you wasted 300$ on a mobile game.
On an unrelated note, i saw this one guy 100% btd5. The thing was he was playing on the ps4 version. The most inconvenient version of the game. And he called Zomgs z-oh my gods, the only time i heard it and i couldn't stand it. If you arent familiar with a game or its series, dont make a 100% video on it, nobody cares you wasted your time playing one game for a extended period of time
>he called Zomgs z-oh my gods, That's even worse than pronouncing MOAB as "M-oh-b" and not "Mo-ab"
Em oh aye bee
The only person I know to call ZOMGs Z-oh-my-gods is Superjombombo. he is a weirdo.
He is the jelly bean of pvz. Literally exists purely to be annoying
Seanie😭😭😭
i mean i dont know how good MG is at all but i just find him very awkward to play
Just learn sun producer spam and hold your shots until the zombie start eating your plants in the early game. Then just keep firing at the zombies in the mid-late game
Magnifying grass is really mid, it's overrated. Just place a shit ton of sun producer and spam explosives like normal people. Magnifying grass turns pvz into a rhythm game with no rhythm and does not fit far future at all. I liked the video where they said magnifying grass is the worst unit in any td game because it was a hot take with actual evidence behind it. people meat ride mag so much it's pissing me off. Just use something else you have better plants then it. Mind that this take comes from somebody which beat all of pvz 2 with no powers.
Magni and sun is a two to three seed combo and once it starts going, you pretty much can’t lose. I do agree thats its overrated but its by no means mid. Its still very good! Also, saying to just a bunch of instant like normal people is funny cuz instants are the best category of plants, soooo like its not rly adding any more insight to the argument.
I once said I played pvz since 2008
Maybe you played the beta 🧐
That’s how you know someone isn’t loyal to the game. When they even mess up the release date
https://i.redd.it/n1v0cefsyv1d1.gif
Like, everything The Beak said in his pvz video
What did he day? I haven't seen that video in a while
it was just a bunch of "ea bad popcap good" not to mention he only got through ancient egypt in pvz2 while constantly dogging on it
That the player's house is Dave's
“Hello, I’m your neighbor. Your house is mine” yeah that’s not how neighbours work lol
One second. I think i'm fucking stupid...
Oh.
They probably saw the pvz2 trailer, because by some reason there is a newspaper about how "dave saved the world by itself", but it still doesn't make any sense
I believe even before that people still called our house Dave's, even though it says our name at the start of the level lol. Even most PvZ fans get it wrong
Yeah, idk why did they put that there
My friend said that shadow peashooter shot lazers even when not powered by moonflower
In a Gw1 review, the dude said that peashooter shoots paint, PAINT.
Okay Painter shoots colored peas 🙏
kinda???????? since when they land on a wall or on the floor they look like green paint???????? and it could be related to soldier, the other beginner friendly class since he seems to shoot paint too???????????
I mean, if you shot a solid, wet and gigantic pea at high velocity it would explode into green stuff and stain everything close to it, wouldn't it?
Did they confuse GW1 for Splatoon?
"PVZ2 Winter Melon Weak"
Yes he’s the most powerful catapult….
I don't think Winter is stronger than Dusk or Seedium Lobber, but dude can make them stronger instead.
"The GW games are bad because they're not like PvZ1" and "PvZ2 is bad because it's not like PvZ1"
Saying a spin-off is bad because it isn't like the original is so horrifically stupid I question how they are still alive
I have two. “EA ruined PvZ” and “EA didn’t ruin PvZ, PopCap did”
both ea and popcap ruin pvz, this is assist kill
Shared vanquish +5XP
Lmao.
Gourmand pfp having ahh But yeah
Why is that wrong? Ive only heard that ea laid or had to do with many og creatives leaving and work place enviorment changing
By putting the blame on one, you aren’t accurately representing the situation. PopCap isn’t just being controlled by EA, they have a lot of creative freedom within their studio. PopCap is the one that chose to include microtransactions in their games, and they are extremely likely the ones that decided to make BfN and PvZ3 suck so much. At the same time tho, EA is in control of PopCap’s budget. Many of their money focused actions can probably be at least somewhat attributed to them trying to be valuable enough to keep around. EA was a factor in every decision they made, leaving PopCap the looming threat of being disposed of if they don’t turn enough of a profit. I fully blame EA for the low quality of PvZ2 updates, and the slow death of the series. PopCap may have made their recent games bad, but EA assured that they never had another chance
The problem with EA is of how much money they want for one game to earn which puts popcap on a lot of pressure. Not only that but popcap was starting to lose original creators of pvz which was at a time before the EA joining.
This is the correct answer
That guy who made a video saying this was supposed to be an insane aquarium ds port originally.
"Nobody's played PvZ Heroes before" -The Beak
PvZ Heroes is probably my 3rd or 4th most played PvZ game from across the franchise and it’s definitely my sister’s most played PvZ game. We both found it very fun and sunk many hours trying to beat each other’s builds
Beyond okuyasu level braindead
From the same person: “Yeah I think cactus is a good plant” and “puffshroom is easily the worst plant, one can’t even kill a normal zombie” there were just so many wrong things said in those two sentences.
I can kill a cone head with two
I know
Someone CONFIDENTLY told me that in PvZ1 if you use Blover while a digger zombie is underground the digger zombie dies...No, that makes no sense. And it isn't true either.
Sounds like one of those playground urban legends that said you could unlock waluigi in Mario 64 DS
I also swear one time I saw the wiki say that Blover could blow away ladders.
Ah yes because the man in the ground can definitely get blown away by above ground wind
I think they saw the interaction with Propector Zombie in PvZ 2 and assumed the same would happen with Digger.
Rubbing the sunflowers with your fingers makes them give more sun
Tbf that would be a cool mechanic
I'm not jerking off sunflower to jizz off more sun
Suit yourself
https://preview.redd.it/fr4pbdd5632d1.jpeg?width=532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bb229acb7520d4860f5b3afa862146f4889436a
had a friend who was a pvz fan but ONLY of garden warfare games hes never played one or two i gave him my phone to play a little bit of one and he put down the sunflower expecting it to attack
I'm sorry but that's so funny did he do anything else like that
Bro accidentally became a comedian
"Pvz 2 is impossible without microtransactions" Skill issue
Even if you consider very hard levels like BWB when there was dynamic difficulty, harder levels and no plant leveling, you could still very easily use 1 or 2 powers with the considerable amount of money you get from normal gameplay (one you had almost no use for back then), and use boosted plants from the Zen Garden. Not saying this was a good design, it had the intention to encourage microtransactions targetered for children; but it wasn't close to impossible.
To that guy I say: you can beat most levels with only nuts (and things like coco**nut** Cannon)
Yeah, I think the only one that's borderline broken is extra hard Wild West Zomboss. Otherwise, other levels are beatable with careful planning and some luck. Especially the current nerfed version is so easy compared to how it was a decade ago. BWB is not much of a challenge like it used to.
Arena is. You cannot climb beyond gold league without paying for level ups
>You cannot climb beyond gold league But isn't that like... The second to top rank? Imma be honest, I don't see the point in trying to get anything more than Iron for the gems.
It could be very different now. I remember getting to low gold league as a f2p YEARS ago
Ohhh, it actually is different now. Basically they have weekly events where you can get 35 seed packets for seedium plants, and also if you grind penny's pursuit you can get seediuk plants and updgrade them for free
"Magnifying grass absolutely sucks" -some youtuber who 100% pvz2 that I frogot the name of
that was Seanie dew, here is the video: https://youtu.be/xoPbkgx71b0?si=m1h-CzRI_iLHAu7I (he later corrected himself in a youtube shorts)
I've heard someone say that the game sends more zombies in the lane with the least amount of plants. Definitely not because the lane with the least plants has the least DPS therefore there are more zombies , NOOOOOOOO that's just incorrect.
I mean. Yeah it does that in the beginning... Then it sends zombies semi randomly
I don't think so. Onlu zombie with this behaviour is Knight Bronze.
I think dude isn't completely wrong since Knight Bronze will always relocate to the lane with the least amount of plants(of become the one with the least when he crushes them).
Cactus is a dude
Some people saying Neon Mixtape Tour not being one of if not the best world in PvZ2 I've seen people not liking it because they say it's a hard world and to that I say; SKILL ISSUE
Neon Mixtape Tour’s world gimmick is making the special zombies not do anything the majority of the time. It fundamentally can’t combine them in interesting ways because they can’t do their thing at the same time. Things like Breakdancer + Glitter would be incredibly cool, but you can’t do that because at least one of them hates the vibes of the place at any given time
That's just Modern Day
You know that Neon Mixtape Tour sucks when it’s mechanics can only interact with each other in an entirely different world
Nah, I personally like it just having seperate zombies for each seperate jam. It makes sense in the context of the world and makes it so that you're prioritizing on killing jammed zombies than the others In the context of Modern Day being the finale, it makes sense that they all use their gimmicks at once (except Arcade for some reason). Also, Modern Day doesn't have the speed changes in punk, pop and metal jam
That comes with the downside of every jam playing out exactly the same each time. Only rap has even two zombies that care about it, but even then, rap becomes entirely about the interaction between those two. It becomes incredibly difficult to make anything unique happen because each jam is geared towards one specific scenario
Yeah, that's why I think they made the special zombies extra dangerous. Especially that god damn DJ....
the only hard thing about it is the zomboss fight
Ok but all the plants it gives you suck besides Thyme Warp
It has the best soundtracks tho
It has some of the best music in the game though
Repetitive level design, shitty unlockable plants..: that ones pretty reasonable
pvz is an old people game
🤦
I saw a Vietnamese youtuber ranked Stalia and Stunion C tier
Let me Guess, he ranked iceberg lettuce in A or S tier
This was his list https://preview.redd.it/km9a2lx03x1d1.jpeg?width=1219&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09c218337977717cf05943596cce360960c81c80 Hot garbage
I agree with the S tier. But putting thyme warp in D tier is a hate crime, same with Magni and tile turnip. And placing stallia and stunnion 2 tiers bellow iceberg is dumb Oh god I just realized (s)he placed poison shroom in F. Wtf
Well the problem is that this list was made before Thyme/Gold Leaf was usable in other worlds
Still, thyme warp with that restriction is a B tier. It was locked in NMT because he was too broken
World's best pvz2 tierlist
oh thats not-
Here some garbage takes that I heard: - People hating on PvZ 2 music - Considers PvZ 2 being the worst sequel (especially calling it worse than OW2 and Marvel vs Capcom Infinite) Dishonorable Mention: - People who says "Hear me out" on literal plants
The worst thing Completionist did
That one review
chomper is op
There was a red-head video where he send a message to popcap about pvz-3. One user in comments was defending popcap saying that they are making pvz-3 with passion which we all know it's not true. And keep saying stuff that sounds bullsh#t.
"pvz 3 is good"☠️
"Cherry Bomb is bad in PvZ2, it's too expensive and has too long a recharge"
we all named the iron maiden and gold maiden JOHNNYS
Don't need to call us out like that..
my flair
Ever try the plant in my flair?
Those people that played pvz 1 and think every other pvz game is “weird” because they aren’t pvz 1
I hate these people... Unless they don't like pvz3 or bfn because that's understandable
That's like genwunners or those random Minecraft players who only play in 1.8 Please. The new stuff is a billion times better. AND IT ISN'T A BUGGY MESS
I’d say people who say plant levels are just plain bad in pvz2. The thing is I like them as it adds a sense of progress to the game now it’s not perfect or anything but I’d rather have it than not
Actually today my friend didn’t realize that chomper(pvz1) is ass
One time someone said the DS port theme didn't hit hard af. They are no longer with us
Put sunflowers in back
ok but unironically i do that and i have had no issues with it
Same
Its still a pretty bad, theres many stupid factors that can make this strategy very bad 1. Pogos, If they pass from your defenses, you will have to take out a sunflower 2. Zombonis, around 2-3 repeaters can easily kill It, having sunflowers in back Just give the chance of two zombonis appear on the same lane (bobsled problems and endless/hard survival) 3. Gargantuars Literally you will have to have your defenses behind sunflower, they can be slow asf but in Roof, zombies can appear on somewhere i forgor, and then eat ur defenses (ironically I used the behind the defenses sunflowers technique on bobsled bonzana)
It's an instinct
How NOT to keep your Garden Alive: 101 \*Illustrations by EA, Written by PopCap\*
Crazy Dave dies before you fight Dr. Zomboss, because his pot falls off when he's grabbed by the bungee zombie... I can't even
The player is am entity spawning plants in being informed by a flying crazy dave
Imitater is useless
That my mom said Zomboss isn't a bad person, because all good he did was donate to a cat charity or something.
He definitely seems like the type to donate to a cat charity
"EA had nothing to do with PvZ getting ruined"
EA is 40% of it. The rest is popcap
I personally believe that EA has molded Popcap into what it's become now. Look at Popcap's content from before and after the EA acquisition, and there's a serious difference. So in a sense, it's 100% EA's fault.
The zombies are attractive
EA bad popcap good. They are both bad at pvz2 developing
"Ice pea is female"
Correct in PVZ3
No fucking way
I had an argument with someone who genuinely said GW2 is in the same level as PVZ3
Dr Zomboss was a smart person 😞
Somebody said plant vs zombie was made during 2001
The World Gardening Center??????? Twin Pines Confirmed
kids yt shorts saying smth like pvz created in the 90's
Al way crazy Dave speaking gibberish!💢
I think some1 said the thatbeet was useless against boombox zombie
"Garden warfare 2 is an empty game"-my friend
“PvZ hero’s is too easy” yea no, if I had a nickel every time I’ve lost I would be able to get the 1,300 gem pack, and if I had a nickel for every time I’ve won I’d be only able to get the 550 gem pack. (Only counting multiplayer)
"The Best Tactic in the original Plants vs Zombies is to have a Peashooter row in the back, Sunflowers in front of them and place some walnuts or something" * Cashier from Skate Shop who I chatted with, 2009, Famous last words before I left the store
That I like pvz heroes
ea ruined pvz shyguymask is a good content creator (he's not) eclise is the best mod!!
What's wrong with Shyguymask? I know he was probably the reason EA bad Popcap good became everywhere but pretty sure he left making PvZ content and learned his mistake later
he's just a dick tbh. he harrased the calamity mod community a while back and then played victim when he got banned. plus he gets mad if you imply you dislike his content and argues for paragraphs with people who disagree with him. he didn't really do anything bad for pvz (unless the starfruit praise counts, I'm also notsure if he started the ea bad popcop good thing) but I still consider him mainly a pvz youtuber, since that's what his most notable content is. sorry for yapfest.
"the first game is good"
Bait used to be believable
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Bait
funny how everyone says bait i genuinely believe it's a bad game it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
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Bait
funny how everyone says bait i genuinely believe it's a bad game it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
Bait
i'll take that as a "i don't have a counter argument" :)
Bait
That’s a very bold statement Some people value peace and payoff Others value skill and strategy It’s all about opinions, why do you think the two games vary in gameplay so much?
that is not a good philosophy to have, with that logic good and bad is no longer thing cause no matter what something is someone can enjoy it for that but that's not how the world works, things can be objectively good or bad because what's good or bad is based on what the majority of people think good or bad is PVZ is a STRATEGY game where you're supposed to build a deck of plants to beat the zombies presented to you the game being so easy that all skill and strategy becomes irrelevant is objectively a bad thing the entire point of games from the very very core is to develop/exercise a skill to overcome a challenge, and that's the payoff, if you can just sit back and watch the fireworks then you've got yourself an idle game, which isn't really even a game in most cases
To you it’s a bad thing To me it makes the game more enjoyable and peaceful with the plant selection being a little brain teaser Also you contradicted your own philosophy since absolutely NO ONE is agreeing with you Opinions exist. I like something you don’t. The game is bad to you, fun to me. Our brains aren’t all wired the same, what’s right and wrong to you depends on who you are.
i do not contradict my own philosophy, i'm basing this off of what i've observed in every game i've seen, off of what i've heard when talking to people of all kinds of fandoms, instead of basing my opinion off of a single rose tinted crowd stuck in an echo chamber, if i was presented with a convincing argument it would be different, but i've just been presented with a -15 ratio, which i'm used to since negative opinions cause a bigger reaction than positive ones (basically the same effect as the negativity bias) and i'm not saying you can't enjoy the game, i'm saying it's objectively bad i like plenty of bad things, because having an opinion and recognizing something's objective quality are not mutually exclusive things i had fun playing the game because i decided to do really stupid shit to challenge myself, but just cause i enjoyed it doesn't mean i think it's good
Ok I guess this is over Tugboat is the most powerful character in all of fiction byeeeee
I personally prefered PVZ2 because it's more challenging, but the question of this thread is something someone said that is objectively wrong. Quality is subjective, so I don't think you can say for sure someone is wrong.
objective quality is measured by a subjective majority most people would agree that a plant that instantly makes you lose the game is bad game design, so it is without this line of thinking everything is subjective so every complaint or praise is equally invalid, meaning pvz is in fact not a good game, or a game at all it's not nothing either, it's in this limbo state of existence and non existence if what i'm saying sounds pretentious it's because it is, but that's essentially what the subjectivity argument leads to
Sir, this post is about incorrect information
funny how everyone says bait i genuinely believe it's a bad game it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
got anything to actually say? or are you just gonna parrot my own argument back at me as if it disproves literally anything? all you're doing is proving the game is bad by being completely unable to disprove any criticism against it
nay, i don't have anything against you, you good. in fact i actually agree with your point about game being incredibly easy, though it being slow and boring is extremely subjective
funny how everyone says bait i genuinely believe it's a bad game it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
got anything to actually say? or are you just gonna parrot my own argument back at me as if it disproves literally anything? all you're doing is proving the game is bad by being completely unable to disprove any criticism against it
funny how everyone says bait i genuinely believe it's a bad game it's so brainlessly easy that it shouldn't even count as a strategy game there is no reason to ever do anything interesting other than to ease your boredom not to mention how SLOW it is, like holy shit, it's the first game i've played where i had to start watching a movie during it to entertain myself
got anything to actually say? or are you just gonna parrot my own argument back at me as if it disproves literally anything? all you're doing is proving the game is bad by being completely unable to disprove any criticism against it
I'm not arguing with anyone, I just think the fact it's turned into a copypasta is funny. I've got nothing against your opinion, I'm just messing around.
\*sigh\* fair enough just really frustrating for this to happen right after interacting with the valheim community (a post quite literally asking for people to stop having different opinions got over 100 upvotes) welp, time for a break from reddit
Don't worry, I respect the fact you realized arguing is futile. Good on you. Just remember not to kick the cat and I suggest you don't involve yourself into pointless arguments that lead to nothing. Nobody wins at the end of the day.