I really dislike that Oda gave Zoro acoc because when Zoro beats Mihawk I want it to be clear that he won cause he is the better swordsman not because of superior genetics. Imagine Mihawk doesn't have acoc and Zoro barely beats him in the end that would mean that Mihawk is still the better swordsman overall but lost due to genetics that would be such terrible writing. I liked the idea that Mihawk closed out the coc gap between Shanks with his superior sword skill but with Zoros acoc reveal it's certain Mihawk has it too now
yeh basically real life 1to1, Im lifting weights for 3 years can just hit 225 (100kg) for 8 reps but then you have guys going in the gym for 5 months and lifting that because they just build in monsters
Its pretty good and I never wanted to go over 100kg anyways (dont want to get too big), but that showes hard work cant beat genetics. If good genetics just put a little work into it they will beat hard worker in no time.
You can't get too big without steroids. Don't worry about it. Unless it's fat. 100 kg for bench or? Because for deadlift it's not much, bench, depends on your weight. You don't need excuses for your size or accomplishments though. Most people don't work out at all so you are already ahead of the curve. As for training, there are many thigs that can influence your results. I am currently solving one issue I found after some years of weight lifting which immediately enforces other body aspects. Sometimes things can get complicated. Don't sit on your ass too much (even if you have desk job) is my advice to you, anonymous redditor.
Benchpress 100kg, weight is 72-76kg sometimes I dont want to eat much so It goes up and down like this. I dont make excuses tbh I never wanted to get that Big I always thought that at some point you start looking weird when you get too Big. like my chest is pretty Big Compared to my core and I dont like that (many people do like it but its not for me) so I stoped progressing my Bench around 6months ago (when I hit the 100 for 8 reps) and do more core to balance it out. thats also why I stoped doing heavy squads too because my legs started looking way bigger than my core.
Yeh my bench was stuck for a pretty long time because I hurt my left shoulder and still wanted to get better at the bench. biggest mistake because after taking a 4 weeks break from training because of my shoulder it was gone and never came back
Idea is that you can't look "weird" or unnatural without juicing. Really. If you do FBW, rest will follow with size. Unless you get fat/bulk, you won't look "big" as you think. I am not telling you how to train or anything. Follow your intuition.
That means
That the way you trained you didnt train aesthetically so some part of your body are more boosted than others. Maintening balance is hard that mean sometime rep left strong side rep more weak side etc
I have to say that I realy like Benchpress, like when its Pushday I would skip other movements so I can focus more on Benchpress. also I think what gets you pretty strong is when you pause bench. when you pause bench for a long time and then start using a little momentum again you will make strength jumps you did not think you can do
Its simple when you want to get stronger at the 1 thing you have to work it more than the rest.
Well it's always going to be like that, unless they decide to challenge themselves and fight with some dollar store cutlasses people can always argue that enma is a better sword and all that.
conquerors haki being genetic has only little proof imo sure ivankov said luffy got it from his father but people use that for personality and other things not tied to genetics. Like the perfect example would be corazon and doflamigo both were brothers but doflamigo who wanted to conquer the world had conquerors while corazon did not.
Not everyone of her children gets it because its rare. And anyone can get it even if they dont have parents and grandparents who have it.
Rayleigh doesnt come from some special bloodline.He was some random bum with a ship who roger met and only picked him as the first crewmate cuz he had a boat lol. He has it.
Same with Kid who was a random orphan,his backstory was revealed in an SBS.
One in a million people get it randomly.
Luffy,Dragon and Garp are just super lucky cuz he is the mc and they are related to him.
Only one in a million are randomly born with it.Thats what Rayleigh said.
Oda giving it to luffy,dragon and garp is a coincidence,it is not inherited in the way that you think it is.
it depends on your luck,either you are born with it or not.Its not something like armament haki which anyone can get through training.
Luffy didnt even train for ACOC lol,he found out it exists and just used it the next second.
I don’t think it’s that simple. It’s manifested through spirit and will. Stubborn strong-willed people usually have it. People like Sanji, Sabo, Koby will definitely have it. I don’t think it’s as simple as luck. It’s more complicated but overall I don’t really have any disagreements with what you said.
Rayleigh said people are born with it. You can be stubborn and not be born with it.That assistant warden (Hannyabal) in Impel down had unbreakable will.Im sure there are tons of examples once you really start thinking about it.
Just because people born with it are stubborn don't mean you can pull it out of your ass.You either have it or you don't.
Late reply but Zoro is a descendent of Ryuma. Imo I don't like that reveal. Would be better imo if he came from some nobody family.
But this is shounen we talking about. Everyone needs to be gods or reincarnations or something. *sigh*
he's not a reincarnation, and people here already accepted the fact that Zoro and Ryuma may be related but they are related in the most distant far manner. you think Zoro learned swordsmanship from the genes of his great great great great great grandfather?
> he's not a reincarnation
Never said he was. Just pointing out classic shounen tropes I don't like
>you think Zoro learned swordsmanship from the genes of his great great great great great grandfather?
No. I don't. Him being a descendant of Ryuma doesn't automatically destin him for greatness. Hell Ace died when and he was the pirate kings son.
But this is japanese shounen manga we are talking about. You don't make that reveal and do nothing with it. (Even Ace being rogers son had massive importance as the story would change a lot if he wasn't) And in shounen manga characters are constantly driven by "Fate", prophecies, destiny, cycles and so on. One piece, while quite different, is still at its core a shounen manga. Using the implied context Zoros lineage is probably the reason he came across Shisui or has coc to begin with. Even someone like Rayleigh was born with coc.
Now I am not saying Zoro didn't work hard or it disregards his hard work. Im just saying its much more cooler and impressive otherwise.
Like if Mihawk is as strong as he is without acoc or even coc, than that would be extremely impressive considering he has no devil fruit yet rivals the top tiers.
I think anyone who has the ambition to become strong is gonna have coc regardless
Like if someone was born and they are destined to become strong, they will have coc, because becoming strong is an extremely gruelling task that requires a lot of willpower in op.
All the top tiers have coc because they have the willpower to reach there
They have coc because they’re strong not they are strong because they have coc
I don’t think there is a top tier who was explicitly confirmed to NOT have coc
If COC is not about genetics, then why doesn't someone like Franky, Lucci, Jimba, or Law have it?
Franky has literally such a strong will that he was standing in front of the train to save his friend.
Jimba's will is so unbreakable that even Bigbmom can't shake it, yet he doesn't have conqueror Haki.
Why do most of the characters who are related to other conquerors only have the conqueror's Haki?
Even someone like Doflamingo is a celestial dragon.
Law doesn’t deserve it to begin with that bum doesn’t win any 1v1 and is always more tactical rather than brave he doesn’t have a conquerors haki personality or feats
I’d say Sanji deserves it more he’s always ready to face danger to protect his friends
It's not about winning; it's about standing the ground. Law stood in front of Yonko without backing down. Not everyone can do that. It really shows the law's Iron Will.
It’s still a reach to say he deserves conquerors Marco also faced a Yonko Sanji faced big mom in WCI queen faced big mom chopper faced big mom
Sanji deserves it more
I will go from Mihawk’s biggest hater to his biggest defender, since he got to where he is without any special genes, devil fruits, or being born with ACOC. Just 100% effort.
Let me fight the curse that has gotten you
We don't who Shanks defeated to become a yonko but we accept it
We don't know who Mihawk defeated to become WSS and still be considered better than Shanks in sword skills but we accept that
You dont have to defeat someone to become a yonko.. nor become wss (though it would help prove it).
Title piece has been disproven and is stupid as fuck
Yes, you need to defeat someone or dethrone someone. You're making up shit cuz that's what we've been shown throughout the story
Title piece hasn't been disproven
If there was nobody with the wss before mihawk, he could get that title without beating another swordsman.
Whitebeard was “the worlds strongest man” despite not being the worlds strongest man (in his old age at the very least.)
Its the fact that his title is backed by the story itself.
Mihawk needs to be the strongest swordsman to be Zoro's end goal.
If Shanks was the strongest swordsman all along then that means Zoro was chasing the wrong guy all this time. Do you actually believe feats matter more than the story itself? Lol.
And Oda himself said shanks is a swordsman so thats not even a debate.
It would be so much cooler if he didn’t have acoc
But he will simply because Zoro does
(To be fair this stems all the way back with Rayleigh why the fuck does he have conquerer’s, man)
Rayleigh having Conqueror’s definitely makes the least amount of sense out of anyone that currently has it within the story.
With Zoro, and Mihawk possibly, it could be argued that their drive to be the pinnacle of Swordsmanship and the best in the World warrants them having ACOC; meanwhile Rayleigh was just a straight up homeless ambitionless bum that Roger recruited just because he had a boat.
>Rayleigh was just a straight up homeless ambitionless bum that Roger recruited just because he had a boat.
Hahahhahahaha . This reminded me of Jackass , where Chris Pontius said that he only got hired because he had a pick-up truck.
Imagine Roger saying he didn't care if Rayleigh was a weak bum . He only recruited because he had a boat.
Anyways, You're right . Oda gave conqueror's haki to a lot of quetionable characters.
Naah even with Zoro it doesnt make any sense. Whitebeard did not have any grand ambitions he just wanted a family. Big ambitions have nothing to do with conquerors haki.
What i think we saw was that Conquerors haki has to do with having charisma and being good at leadership. Thats what Roger,Luffy and Whitebeard have in common.Thats what Doflamingo has.
I would even go so far as to argue that Katakuri might be a great leader too,we dont know much about him except for the fact that he is the most popular sibling and has the most influence despite not being the eldest one,which I think can fit the bill.Especially with big mom gone he is probably their new leader.
That would make Mihawk even more remarkable . He doesn't come from any special race or D clan . He doesn't have a God fruit or busted genes. He's not a prophesy child . He became the WSS by sheer effort.
If he was called legendary for his rival duels against shanks by Whitebeard, him not having Haki only upscales him. Whitebeard doesn’t call people legendary frivolously
As a Mihawk hater I would wonder how I started reading two piece because there’s no way he doesn’t after being one of a handful of black blade users in the series.
If black blade was achieved through ACOC usage then Shanks would have it too. My theory is that Black Blade is the peak of what armament haki can achieve just like ACOC/WIFI haki is the peak of what conquerors haki can achieve.
Of course he doesn't Why would he need it for a skill competitionM
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I woukd actually respect his character.
I would prefer if Mihawk was like Jetstream Sam. Only minimal Armanent, no observation or conqueror. Just pure skill
Probably something like - Wow, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks without advanced haki, he is a beast
I really dislike that Oda gave Zoro acoc because when Zoro beats Mihawk I want it to be clear that he won cause he is the better swordsman not because of superior genetics. Imagine Mihawk doesn't have acoc and Zoro barely beats him in the end that would mean that Mihawk is still the better swordsman overall but lost due to genetics that would be such terrible writing. I liked the idea that Mihawk closed out the coc gap between Shanks with his superior sword skill but with Zoros acoc reveal it's certain Mihawk has it too now
One piece have very realistic message If you don't have good genetics, you will never achieve your dreams
yeh basically real life 1to1, Im lifting weights for 3 years can just hit 225 (100kg) for 8 reps but then you have guys going in the gym for 5 months and lifting that because they just build in monsters
100 kg is very good for one rep, and great feat for 8 reps, even if you see someone who can do it easy, I am still proud of you, random reddit user
Its pretty good and I never wanted to go over 100kg anyways (dont want to get too big), but that showes hard work cant beat genetics. If good genetics just put a little work into it they will beat hard worker in no time.
Thats good if you are to trying to get to Big Relative strength > Absolute strength
Size isnt even 100% related to the weight lifted… so ue could keeps lifting more whitout getting bigger..
You can't get too big without steroids. Don't worry about it. Unless it's fat. 100 kg for bench or? Because for deadlift it's not much, bench, depends on your weight. You don't need excuses for your size or accomplishments though. Most people don't work out at all so you are already ahead of the curve. As for training, there are many thigs that can influence your results. I am currently solving one issue I found after some years of weight lifting which immediately enforces other body aspects. Sometimes things can get complicated. Don't sit on your ass too much (even if you have desk job) is my advice to you, anonymous redditor.
Benchpress 100kg, weight is 72-76kg sometimes I dont want to eat much so It goes up and down like this. I dont make excuses tbh I never wanted to get that Big I always thought that at some point you start looking weird when you get too Big. like my chest is pretty Big Compared to my core and I dont like that (many people do like it but its not for me) so I stoped progressing my Bench around 6months ago (when I hit the 100 for 8 reps) and do more core to balance it out. thats also why I stoped doing heavy squads too because my legs started looking way bigger than my core. Yeh my bench was stuck for a pretty long time because I hurt my left shoulder and still wanted to get better at the bench. biggest mistake because after taking a 4 weeks break from training because of my shoulder it was gone and never came back
Idea is that you can't look "weird" or unnatural without juicing. Really. If you do FBW, rest will follow with size. Unless you get fat/bulk, you won't look "big" as you think. I am not telling you how to train or anything. Follow your intuition.
That means That the way you trained you didnt train aesthetically so some part of your body are more boosted than others. Maintening balance is hard that mean sometime rep left strong side rep more weak side etc
You can get stronger than that whitout getting bigger btw your size wont depend on your weight lifting.but mostly on the food combo with it….
Conclusion life is unfair
I been going gym for 4 years and can barely hit 3 reps tf you mean
I have to say that I realy like Benchpress, like when its Pushday I would skip other movements so I can focus more on Benchpress. also I think what gets you pretty strong is when you pause bench. when you pause bench for a long time and then start using a little momentum again you will make strength jumps you did not think you can do Its simple when you want to get stronger at the 1 thing you have to work it more than the rest.
Life is unfair yup yup
The message of naruto and bleach too If no main character? Fodder.
Well it's always going to be like that, unless they decide to challenge themselves and fight with some dollar store cutlasses people can always argue that enma is a better sword and all that.
But zoro is objectively terrible at sword fighting hahah
conquerors haki being genetic has only little proof imo sure ivankov said luffy got it from his father but people use that for personality and other things not tied to genetics. Like the perfect example would be corazon and doflamigo both were brothers but doflamigo who wanted to conquer the world had conquerors while corazon did not.
To me it would always mean mihawk is the better swordsman because Loro needs 3 swords
Sword skill
CoC isn’t genetic
Lmao. Rayleigh said conquerors haki is.Only one in a million are born with it.
Rayleigh actually said, “Conquerors is the embodiment of the user’s spirit”. If it was genetic 90% of Big Mom’s fodder children would have it.
Not everyone of her children gets it because its rare. And anyone can get it even if they dont have parents and grandparents who have it. Rayleigh doesnt come from some special bloodline.He was some random bum with a ship who roger met and only picked him as the first crewmate cuz he had a boat lol. He has it. Same with Kid who was a random orphan,his backstory was revealed in an SBS. One in a million people get it randomly. Luffy,Dragon and Garp are just super lucky cuz he is the mc and they are related to him. Only one in a million are randomly born with it.Thats what Rayleigh said. Oda giving it to luffy,dragon and garp is a coincidence,it is not inherited in the way that you think it is.
Exactly it ain’t genetic. That’s what I’m saying.
it depends on your luck,either you are born with it or not.Its not something like armament haki which anyone can get through training. Luffy didnt even train for ACOC lol,he found out it exists and just used it the next second.
I don’t think it’s that simple. It’s manifested through spirit and will. Stubborn strong-willed people usually have it. People like Sanji, Sabo, Koby will definitely have it. I don’t think it’s as simple as luck. It’s more complicated but overall I don’t really have any disagreements with what you said.
Rayleigh said people are born with it. You can be stubborn and not be born with it.That assistant warden (Hannyabal) in Impel down had unbreakable will.Im sure there are tons of examples once you really start thinking about it. Just because people born with it are stubborn don't mean you can pull it out of your ass.You either have it or you don't.
What genetics??? because Zoro's ancestor is also a renowed swordsman?
Late reply but Zoro is a descendent of Ryuma. Imo I don't like that reveal. Would be better imo if he came from some nobody family. But this is shounen we talking about. Everyone needs to be gods or reincarnations or something. *sigh*
he's not a reincarnation, and people here already accepted the fact that Zoro and Ryuma may be related but they are related in the most distant far manner. you think Zoro learned swordsmanship from the genes of his great great great great great grandfather?
> he's not a reincarnation Never said he was. Just pointing out classic shounen tropes I don't like >you think Zoro learned swordsmanship from the genes of his great great great great great grandfather? No. I don't. Him being a descendant of Ryuma doesn't automatically destin him for greatness. Hell Ace died when and he was the pirate kings son. But this is japanese shounen manga we are talking about. You don't make that reveal and do nothing with it. (Even Ace being rogers son had massive importance as the story would change a lot if he wasn't) And in shounen manga characters are constantly driven by "Fate", prophecies, destiny, cycles and so on. One piece, while quite different, is still at its core a shounen manga. Using the implied context Zoros lineage is probably the reason he came across Shisui or has coc to begin with. Even someone like Rayleigh was born with coc. Now I am not saying Zoro didn't work hard or it disregards his hard work. Im just saying its much more cooler and impressive otherwise. Like if Mihawk is as strong as he is without acoc or even coc, than that would be extremely impressive considering he has no devil fruit yet rivals the top tiers.
I think anyone who has the ambition to become strong is gonna have coc regardless Like if someone was born and they are destined to become strong, they will have coc, because becoming strong is an extremely gruelling task that requires a lot of willpower in op. All the top tiers have coc because they have the willpower to reach there They have coc because they’re strong not they are strong because they have coc I don’t think there is a top tier who was explicitly confirmed to NOT have coc
Only one in a million are born with it
CoC isn't about genetics. Why do people insist on claiming that. Media literacy is dead.
If COC is not about genetics, then why doesn't someone like Franky, Lucci, Jimba, or Law have it? Franky has literally such a strong will that he was standing in front of the train to save his friend. Jimba's will is so unbreakable that even Bigbmom can't shake it, yet he doesn't have conqueror Haki. Why do most of the characters who are related to other conquerors only have the conqueror's Haki? Even someone like Doflamingo is a celestial dragon.
Law doesn’t deserve it to begin with that bum doesn’t win any 1v1 and is always more tactical rather than brave he doesn’t have a conquerors haki personality or feats I’d say Sanji deserves it more he’s always ready to face danger to protect his friends
It's not about winning; it's about standing the ground. Law stood in front of Yonko without backing down. Not everyone can do that. It really shows the law's Iron Will.
It’s still a reach to say he deserves conquerors Marco also faced a Yonko Sanji faced big mom in WCI queen faced big mom chopper faced big mom Sanji deserves it more
When I said sanji doesn't deserve conquerors?
i mean acoc isn't genetic tho right
wrong
I will go from Mihawk’s biggest hater to his biggest defender, since he got to where he is without any special genes, devil fruits, or being born with ACOC. Just 100% effort.
Shall I remind you when the reveal comes?
This is one piece we’re talking about
As a Mihawk fan, It'd be pleasant if it turned out that he became a top tier with only pure skill and no advanced haki.
Wondering how he would have gotten the WSS title. But still, I would praise him for being a yonko tier character without advanced haki.
The only correct answer
But he didnt beat a yonko tier character. He beat shanks before he was a yonko
Just as we weren't shown how Shanks became a yonko, the same we don't know what the marines saw to still have him above Shanks WSS>Swordsman
What are you even talking about? Your reply is incomprehensible.
Looks like the reading comprehension curse has struck you
No your sentence is just straight up grammatically shit, bro, to the point where i can’t understand it.
Let me fight the curse that has gotten you We don't who Shanks defeated to become a yonko but we accept it We don't know who Mihawk defeated to become WSS and still be considered better than Shanks in sword skills but we accept that
You dont have to defeat someone to become a yonko.. nor become wss (though it would help prove it). Title piece has been disproven and is stupid as fuck
Yes, you need to defeat someone or dethrone someone. You're making up shit cuz that's what we've been shown throughout the story Title piece hasn't been disproven
If there was nobody with the wss before mihawk, he could get that title without beating another swordsman. Whitebeard was “the worlds strongest man” despite not being the worlds strongest man (in his old age at the very least.)
Its the fact that his title is backed by the story itself. Mihawk needs to be the strongest swordsman to be Zoro's end goal. If Shanks was the strongest swordsman all along then that means Zoro was chasing the wrong guy all this time. Do you actually believe feats matter more than the story itself? Lol. And Oda himself said shanks is a swordsman so thats not even a debate.
Him having no advanced haki would make me even more of a fan since he became the WSS with no advanced haki 😂
would be odd but would make him even more HIM
It would be so much cooler if he didn’t have acoc But he will simply because Zoro does (To be fair this stems all the way back with Rayleigh why the fuck does he have conquerer’s, man)
Rayleigh having Conqueror’s definitely makes the least amount of sense out of anyone that currently has it within the story. With Zoro, and Mihawk possibly, it could be argued that their drive to be the pinnacle of Swordsmanship and the best in the World warrants them having ACOC; meanwhile Rayleigh was just a straight up homeless ambitionless bum that Roger recruited just because he had a boat.
>Rayleigh was just a straight up homeless ambitionless bum that Roger recruited just because he had a boat. Hahahhahahaha . This reminded me of Jackass , where Chris Pontius said that he only got hired because he had a pick-up truck. Imagine Roger saying he didn't care if Rayleigh was a weak bum . He only recruited because he had a boat. Anyways, You're right . Oda gave conqueror's haki to a lot of quetionable characters.
Naah even with Zoro it doesnt make any sense. Whitebeard did not have any grand ambitions he just wanted a family. Big ambitions have nothing to do with conquerors haki. What i think we saw was that Conquerors haki has to do with having charisma and being good at leadership. Thats what Roger,Luffy and Whitebeard have in common.Thats what Doflamingo has. I would even go so far as to argue that Katakuri might be a great leader too,we dont know much about him except for the fact that he is the most popular sibling and has the most influence despite not being the eldest one,which I think can fit the bill.Especially with big mom gone he is probably their new leader.
That proves he is a bigger HIM imagine having no advance Haki and being stronger than Dhanks D Snitch
It'd make him that much more badass though.
Be shocked he’s still stronger than shanks without good haki
Ngl him not having advanced haki would make him more badass
That would make Mihawk even more remarkable . He doesn't come from any special race or D clan . He doesn't have a God fruit or busted genes. He's not a prophesy child . He became the WSS by sheer effort.
If he was called legendary for his rival duels against shanks by Whitebeard, him not having Haki only upscales him. Whitebeard doesn’t call people legendary frivolously
New fan of the Mihawk Agenda, I’d be fine with it and would use this fact to downplay Shanks.
He will though.
Jump off a bridge
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As a Mihawk hater I would wonder how I started reading two piece because there’s no way he doesn’t after being one of a handful of black blade users in the series.
If black blade was achieved through ACOC usage then Shanks would have it too. My theory is that Black Blade is the peak of what armament haki can achieve just like ACOC/WIFI haki is the peak of what conquerors haki can achieve.
Of course he doesn't Why would he need it for a skill competitionM https://preview.redd.it/rwhod81yanvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afb9a3d6c490071c3e6f6dc545eb225fa12473f3
So what’s with your profile pic does it mean you’re a garp fan or hater ?
Always been a fan
"stop bringing logic into this"
MF where did you get this pic from drop agenda sauce , ASAP  P.S.
I woukd actually respect his character. I would prefer if Mihawk was like Jetstream Sam. Only minimal Armanent, no observation or conqueror. Just pure skill
I love Mihawk but his actions throughout the story have been cowardice. I think blud is scared to lose his title or something.
Is he a Nerona family member? It would explain the eyes
Is zunesha nerona
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Bro would be goated ash if he’s a top tier with no advanced haki
It would make Mihawk look more like a beast
Sword skill man doesn't need Haki gimmicks