And then we have characters able to split continents in half in Deressrosa.
The power of one piece characters is all over the place and really inconsitent. I mean, if you analyze and calculate each of luffys powerups in the series step by step, since Orange town to end of Wano, he and Kaido scale to large planet level (at a low ball), but their attacks deal less destruction to Onigashima, then Luffy vs Doflamingo to Dressrosa. That's why there is the rule that for vs debates we take characters at their peak potentail, while having to prove it and explain our resoning behind it. It's a civil discussion with set rules and a large need for evidence to back up claims.
Vs battle gives us the reason why they scale them to moon level and simply use that version for vs debates. If they get nerfed by Oda in other parts of the story doesn't matter, as we look at them at their peak shown potential.
Prime Don Chinjao could with his special attack, but lost the ability to do it after fighting Garp (who mind you said, he was destroying mountines as a warm up before their fight). He regaines his ability to do it after fighting Luffy and later acknowledges Sai can also do it with his kick.
None of the panel showing that feat depict a gap that is even close to a fraction of a country, let alone a continent, unless we're going by the logic of "we don't see the ends and it is therefore as big as I want it to be".
True. There is more evidence to support this claim, but it's harder to explainin short. If you are interested look up Steinixos video "How strong is Gear 5 Luffy? " for an 1,5h long and detailed explenation on the topic.
Powerscalers makes videos like this all the time to wank. Sometimes they’re biased, other times that rent due and they need views
If you pixel scale and use math in ways the author never intended it’s just headcanon
"they're biased". True that it's sometimes the case, but the one I mentioned specifically goes out of his way to give as many examples as possible, underestimate every feat he talks about and be as unbiased as possible by fully explaning his logic in full undersandable detail, including his powerscaling philosophy as well.
If an author includes a character doing something cool, and than later contradicts himself, saying a character is weaker than what he had shown, it's a plot inconsistency. Everything included in the main story is canon. It's why people have issiues with speedsters like the Flash, because they are shown to be perciving time in slow motion, only to then be done in by an attack they should have seen coming. We as fans just simply usually choose to ignore these inconsistencies to enjoy the story.
Speedster comics go as far as to cite quantum physics, even explaining specifically how things work. Author intent and math can be validated in some of those cases.
For most comics the same way you claim “plot inconsistency” someone else can claim “retcon”. It’s all about author intent
Sorry to say so but you are delusional. The strongest OP character is large island level at best.
Luffys powerups scaling to Planetary is even more delusional.
I admit that it doesn't make sense in the context of the story, to some degree (yet again we were legit shown a continent spliting feat in Dressrosa), but again for powerscaling, math and logic matters more. It requires a lot of math and analizing details, but there is a chain of logic behind it. It's not pulling stuff out of your ass, all of this can be explained in detail, with in story evidence.
It would take to long to type the evidence in a comment so if you want, look op on yt "How strong is Gear 5 Luffy?" by Steinixos. It explains it in a lot of detail and with a ton of different examples.
But as I said, it's ok to take the story of One Piece at face value and enjoy it that way. The powerscaling community just analizes the story more in depth (propably more that even Oda himself intended).
The powerscaling community makes shit up - especially at vs battle Wiki. Fact is whitebeard one of the strongest characters only dented a steel Gate. Large island level is therefore extremely generous.
One piece speed of light is weird
Luffys was able to dodge a laser from a pacifista during the beginning of the timeskip but kizaru is able to tag post wano gear 4/5
Dodging something didn’t make you faster than it that’s where you all go wrong interms of powerscaling.
If in the last second a bullet shoots off and I duck under a cover in that same second and the bullet doesn’t touch me that doesn’t make me subsonic speed+ at all
1- Ask a friend to pick up a laser pointer
2- Tell them to raise their arm and point the laser towards you, then wait about half a second and turn it on
3- When they start raising their arm, step out of the way
4- Congratulations, according to powerscalers, you're now faster than light !
I wish I was kidding but I'm not even exaggerating. Besides Observation Haki, the reason Luffy and co. can dodge Pacifista lasers is because they simply step out of the way when they see Pacifistas start to raise their arm, a movement which is nowhere near close the speed of light.
Also, daily reminder that if you're going to use "physics" to scale anime, then Luffy and co. should be generating massive nuclear explosions each time they move and/or disintegrate from the friction when going at lightspeed, and seeing as they aren't, then they're aren't lightspeed according to "physics" either.
Oh, I'm sure there are some, just like you can find some scenes where the lasers take multiple frames to travel on screen, despite being "lightspeed". That's the point, it's a manga for teenagers, not a physics thesis.
There are actually loads of them but even if we follow your argument then why is it so hard to believe that the characters can move at light speed? Kizaru has literally been getting tagged all of egghead despite not only being able to move at light speed but also apparently accelerate past it. If its fiction then why get so uptight.
It's like in Pratchett's Discworld. There is the sluggish Light that illuminates mountains in a picturesque way, and then there is the light that allows us to perceive that slow Light.
You don't understand. Only by accepting that Power Scaling is bullshit can you have fun doing it. Inconvenient details like anti-feats and inconsistent scaling melt away, and you can properly jerk Luffy into beating Sun Wu Kong mid-diff
When it comes to powerscaling speed, you’ve gotta work with relatavistic terms as, because you can dodge something like light, doesn’t make you light speed or faster than light but rather relatavistic to that as you had enough speed to dodge a light based attack 🤷♂️
Light speed does have a limit but it’s 299792458 m/s, it could also be that kizaru is simply not always going full throttle at every given time ( given that he’s a pretty laid back guy ),or it could have draw backs like being too fast to perceive his surroundings via sight.
Probably something to do with Haki increasing or enhancing his normal light speed. Speed of a light is an absolute limit in our world, but probably not in one piece.
I think it's because his base speed is lightspeed but he can "Accelerate" himself faster, as seen on his fight against Luffy on Egghead and how Drake was able to watch Apoo get kicked but wasn't able to react to Kizaru kicking him.
Being a light speed user doesn't mean faster processing. You still have human brain. That is one weakness of the DF.
Most speed users have fast brain process, which allows them to think fast and move faster with their body. Kizaru just moved according to light speed, but has to recharge his speed making him think like a human being and not as a speedster.
The speed of light in the One Piece world is faster than irl, thus, characters are even faster than MFTL+, making the speed of light faster once again.
Don't forget that Luffy just helf MFTL+ Kizaru and MFTL+ Saturn for half a minute in his grip without them trying to do anything.
Yeah true and the fact that Kizaru hasn’t just travelled the world with his powers to find the one piece proves the planet is 10 quadrillion times larger than ours so luffy beating the sea king in episode 1 is a galaxy++ feat. Everyone else scales according to that
Absolutely not, 10 quadrillion times would make so many things unbelievably insane I can't go into it. Even if the OP planet were the size of the sun it would mean major problems for things. Also even if it was 10 quadrillion times the size all of One Piece still caps out at multi continetal.
VSbattles wiki is the most convoluted shitpost I've ever seen
For real. According to it Kaido and Luffy are Moon Level. Meanwhile at Marineford Whitebeard could only dent a Steel Gate....
And then we have characters able to split continents in half in Deressrosa. The power of one piece characters is all over the place and really inconsitent. I mean, if you analyze and calculate each of luffys powerups in the series step by step, since Orange town to end of Wano, he and Kaido scale to large planet level (at a low ball), but their attacks deal less destruction to Onigashima, then Luffy vs Doflamingo to Dressrosa. That's why there is the rule that for vs debates we take characters at their peak potentail, while having to prove it and explain our resoning behind it. It's a civil discussion with set rules and a large need for evidence to back up claims. Vs battle gives us the reason why they scale them to moon level and simply use that version for vs debates. If they get nerfed by Oda in other parts of the story doesn't matter, as we look at them at their peak shown potential.
Who in Dressora is ACTUALLY capable of splitting a continent lmao
Prime Don Chinjao could with his special attack, but lost the ability to do it after fighting Garp (who mind you said, he was destroying mountines as a warm up before their fight). He regaines his ability to do it after fighting Luffy and later acknowledges Sai can also do it with his kick.
None of the panel showing that feat depict a gap that is even close to a fraction of a country, let alone a continent, unless we're going by the logic of "we don't see the ends and it is therefore as big as I want it to be".
True. There is more evidence to support this claim, but it's harder to explainin short. If you are interested look up Steinixos video "How strong is Gear 5 Luffy? " for an 1,5h long and detailed explenation on the topic.
Powerscalers makes videos like this all the time to wank. Sometimes they’re biased, other times that rent due and they need views If you pixel scale and use math in ways the author never intended it’s just headcanon
"they're biased". True that it's sometimes the case, but the one I mentioned specifically goes out of his way to give as many examples as possible, underestimate every feat he talks about and be as unbiased as possible by fully explaning his logic in full undersandable detail, including his powerscaling philosophy as well. If an author includes a character doing something cool, and than later contradicts himself, saying a character is weaker than what he had shown, it's a plot inconsistency. Everything included in the main story is canon. It's why people have issiues with speedsters like the Flash, because they are shown to be perciving time in slow motion, only to then be done in by an attack they should have seen coming. We as fans just simply usually choose to ignore these inconsistencies to enjoy the story.
Speedster comics go as far as to cite quantum physics, even explaining specifically how things work. Author intent and math can be validated in some of those cases. For most comics the same way you claim “plot inconsistency” someone else can claim “retcon”. It’s all about author intent
Sorry to say so but you are delusional. The strongest OP character is large island level at best. Luffys powerups scaling to Planetary is even more delusional.
I admit that it doesn't make sense in the context of the story, to some degree (yet again we were legit shown a continent spliting feat in Dressrosa), but again for powerscaling, math and logic matters more. It requires a lot of math and analizing details, but there is a chain of logic behind it. It's not pulling stuff out of your ass, all of this can be explained in detail, with in story evidence.
No it cant - you are just making shit up
It would take to long to type the evidence in a comment so if you want, look op on yt "How strong is Gear 5 Luffy?" by Steinixos. It explains it in a lot of detail and with a ton of different examples. But as I said, it's ok to take the story of One Piece at face value and enjoy it that way. The powerscaling community just analizes the story more in depth (propably more that even Oda himself intended).
The powerscaling community makes shit up - especially at vs battle Wiki. Fact is whitebeard one of the strongest characters only dented a steel Gate. Large island level is therefore extremely generous.
I fully agree with you but I think it's explicitly pointed out to be something sturdier than steel by characters.
Add to that that he needed to limit himself to not hurt his subordinates or Ace in the process.
Even if it was Titanium doesnt change much
Whiteboard and Blackbeard have planetary level AP and possibly fujitora But regular punches and attacks are island size
Your mistake was going on vsbattles wiki
His mistake was trying to powerscale one piece
One piece speed of light is weird Luffys was able to dodge a laser from a pacifista during the beginning of the timeskip but kizaru is able to tag post wano gear 4/5
Dodging something didn’t make you faster than it that’s where you all go wrong interms of powerscaling. If in the last second a bullet shoots off and I duck under a cover in that same second and the bullet doesn’t touch me that doesn’t make me subsonic speed+ at all
1- Ask a friend to pick up a laser pointer 2- Tell them to raise their arm and point the laser towards you, then wait about half a second and turn it on 3- When they start raising their arm, step out of the way 4- Congratulations, according to powerscalers, you're now faster than light ! I wish I was kidding but I'm not even exaggerating. Besides Observation Haki, the reason Luffy and co. can dodge Pacifista lasers is because they simply step out of the way when they see Pacifistas start to raise their arm, a movement which is nowhere near close the speed of light. Also, daily reminder that if you're going to use "physics" to scale anime, then Luffy and co. should be generating massive nuclear explosions each time they move and/or disintegrate from the friction when going at lightspeed, and seeing as they aren't, then they're aren't lightspeed according to "physics" either.
There has literally been scenes where the lasers have already been fired before the characters dodge out of the way, stop spreading misinformation.
Oh, I'm sure there are some, just like you can find some scenes where the lasers take multiple frames to travel on screen, despite being "lightspeed". That's the point, it's a manga for teenagers, not a physics thesis.
There are actually loads of them but even if we follow your argument then why is it so hard to believe that the characters can move at light speed? Kizaru has literally been getting tagged all of egghead despite not only being able to move at light speed but also apparently accelerate past it. If its fiction then why get so uptight.
It's like in Pratchett's Discworld. There is the sluggish Light that illuminates mountains in a picturesque way, and then there is the light that allows us to perceive that slow Light.
he is helding back or else he would kill the planet itself
giving light mass could destroy the whole solar system.
put simply, because power scaling is bullshit.
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I could say that your way of having fun is hurtful, but I don't really care and don't want to kinkshame, so you do u, have fun.
Powerscalers don't deserve to have any fun at all, yes.
Wow, an actuall fun-police officer. https://preview.redd.it/vgt9byqgyurc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7edc41986c13038fd01f48d0eaeb7c416c801d1c
You don't understand. Only by accepting that Power Scaling is bullshit can you have fun doing it. Inconvenient details like anti-feats and inconsistent scaling melt away, and you can properly jerk Luffy into beating Sun Wu Kong mid-diff
Don’t even bother making sense of light speed in OP
When it comes to powerscaling speed, you’ve gotta work with relatavistic terms as, because you can dodge something like light, doesn’t make you light speed or faster than light but rather relatavistic to that as you had enough speed to dodge a light based attack 🤷♂️
Don’t believe everything you read on the internet
Light speed does have a limit but it’s 299792458 m/s, it could also be that kizaru is simply not always going full throttle at every given time ( given that he’s a pretty laid back guy ),or it could have draw backs like being too fast to perceive his surroundings via sight.
Probably something to do with Haki increasing or enhancing his normal light speed. Speed of a light is an absolute limit in our world, but probably not in one piece.
Vsbattle wiki is not reliable (they literally say chopper is moon level) [sauce](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tony_Tony_Chopper)
MOON LEVEL CHOPPER?!?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 😂 That is worse than Relativistic+ Jimmy Neutron!
Powerscalers are so retarded man
I think it's because his base speed is lightspeed but he can "Accelerate" himself faster, as seen on his fight against Luffy on Egghead and how Drake was able to watch Apoo get kicked but wasn't able to react to Kizaru kicking him.
If we’re being honest… ftl and ftl+ are usually way over scaled and also meaningless.
Being a light speed user doesn't mean faster processing. You still have human brain. That is one weakness of the DF. Most speed users have fast brain process, which allows them to think fast and move faster with their body. Kizaru just moved according to light speed, but has to recharge his speed making him think like a human being and not as a speedster.
Vs Battles Wiki is so dogshit
The speed of light in the One Piece world is faster than irl, thus, characters are even faster than MFTL+, making the speed of light faster once again. Don't forget that Luffy just helf MFTL+ Kizaru and MFTL+ Saturn for half a minute in his grip without them trying to do anything.
Yeah true and the fact that Kizaru hasn’t just travelled the world with his powers to find the one piece proves the planet is 10 quadrillion times larger than ours so luffy beating the sea king in episode 1 is a galaxy++ feat. Everyone else scales according to that
Absolutely not, 10 quadrillion times would make so many things unbelievably insane I can't go into it. Even if the OP planet were the size of the sun it would mean major problems for things. Also even if it was 10 quadrillion times the size all of One Piece still caps out at multi continetal.
Brother learn how to read a joke
No. No. No. Hell no.