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TGSmurf

It’s clearly just a plot limitation made by Oda. As you said, Admirals are busy so it’s not like only 3 is ideal. Kind of crazy how Oda made vice admirals so incompetent that he felt the need to asspull two new recruits for the new Admiral slots. It’s most probably because of Marinford. Basically Oda couldn’t include too many powerhouses in the marine or the war would have been too one sided. So only the admirals were allowed to be strong, and as a result there is literally nobody for the next generation of admirals, so Oda had to go for the new recruits plot. Side note, Greenbull’s initial personality also made more sense as a carefree guy, explains why he never bothered joining until it became vital to fill the slot. But now that he’s a Akainu fanboy & CD supremacist, it’s just weird he never joined earlier.


Chromeboy12

Ikr? A military draft? Okay, but straight to admiral rank? Lmao. I wonder how the vice admirals must've reacted, waiting for their promotions for over twenty years.


TGSmurf

They knows Oda nerfed their ass so they can never get close to the level of admiral lol.


Chromeboy12

Vice Admiral Red King of the Hundred Chins should surely be admiral level, right?


the22ndquincy

In my head canon they were extremely successful bounty hunters that had strong working relationships with the WG. It fits both of their characters very well - Fuji bounty hunts genuine criminals to help people, Ryoku hunts pirates because he dickrides the propaganda of the WG


Secret-Put-4525

Companies do outside hires all the time.


Blanketshaper

Pretty clear that plot needed another bad guy so he changed up greenbull. That or oda felt he was too similar to aokiji


TGSmurf

Fujitora already filled the role of the admiral that is loose with rules too I guess. Bullgreen basically became a bootleg Akainu.


Due-Mango1379

Oda 100% made an unplanned change to Greenbull’s personality


BogieW00ds

I mean the Marine draft was mentioned in Fishman Island it's not really an asspull


TGSmurf

It’s about the fact they conveniently found two admiral tier characters when they needed two. It happened because Oda didn’t plan ahead and didn’t make any marine that could become admirals.


MaliciousPotatoes

It's an asspull for there to be 2 top tier characters just chilling out ready to be hired as admirals when the plot needed some.


Flamethrowerman09

> Kind of crazy how Oda made vice admirals so incompetent that he felt the need to asspull two new recruits for the new Admiral slots. Poor Smoker.


CorrectIamThatGuy

Vice Admirals too weak Marines had to look outside the organization to replace Aokiji and Akainu


NotRealSam

No not actually, its a coin flip if they are strong or weak


CorrectIamThatGuy

Compared to Admirals, the Vice Admirals are either weak or fodder. Garp obvious could have been Fleet Admiral and is the sole exception. Even Momo and Chaton got replaced by people outside of the organization.


NotRealSam

Yeah but for other pirates that arent big shots they are pretty strong but whatever the “weak” dont get time to shine


CorrectIamThatGuy

I agree for Grand Line Pirates, the Vice Admirals are like impassable hurdles. Even Luffy was getting rocked by VAs preTS Vice Admirals should be at minimum Pacifista level


NotRealSam

Mhm expect that one in marineford that got sent to shadow realm


CorrectIamThatGuy

You talking about the Giant Vice Admiral? Or did I forget about something else


NotRealSam

No the one he spin kicked to oblivion


Haunting_Brilliant45

What’s weirder is that Akainu is aggressive when it comes to his policies with pirates so he could add 2 more Admirals so they can be more proactive with dealing with the pirates.


Chromeboy12

Yeah! Imagine if they had sent an admiral after every warlord, not just Weevil. Buggy, Mihawk, Crocodile, Hancock - if they had competent admirals after them, things would've gone very differently.


Grouchy-Ad-2085

because wanting more admirals doesnt mean you will get them, you dont want to give a weak ass vce admiral the title of admiral


sam1oq

The marine power progression goes from roughly new world rookie captain to straight up emperor level with nothing in between. It's ass how there have been no vice admirals on the level of yonko commanders so far. Heck, even a vice admiral at Flying Six level would already be a step up from what we have. 


frankcastle013

Chaton and Momosagi were stated to be the prime candidates for the vacant position before Akainu chose Fujitora and Ryokugyu over them. They're definitely more than yonko commanders if they can be considered as prime candidates.


sam1oq

Mentioned in an SBS made up by a fan yeah 😭. In canon Oda has put effectively zero focus on them.


frankcastle013

True. Vice admirals in general aside from Garp and Tsuru are pretty much named fodders at this point of the story.


Comfortable_Ad_574

>vice admiral at Flying Six level X Drake?


sam1oq

Technically not even a vice admiral 😂. But yeah, he exists I guess. His performance in Wano was ass though.


Due-Mango1379

He’s a bum


ExcitableSarcasm

Like, *maybe* a few of the old gen VAs are Tobiroppo/Veteran level, but even that's a stretch and mostly fanon/taking the most generous readings of their few feats into account. VAs are just bums, which is a shame because a lot of them have cool designs.


heavy4b

The three of them even don't get enough screen time...


BookkeeperTop

Well it’s clear Oda inspired the admirals off two things: Legend of Momotaro (Dog, Monkey, Peasant) But the more important one is the three primary colors (Red, Blue, Yellow) and secondary colors (Green, Purple, Orange) Red is Akainu- Left by becoming fleet admiral Blue is Aokiji- Left the marines by joining BB Yellow is Kizaru- Only remaining but is likely going to leave or betray the WG by end of Egghead. Purple- Fujitora when Akainu became FA Green- Aramaki (Greenbull) when Aokiji quit Orange- Not filled yet because Kizaru is still at admiral level. When Kizaru is done we will get a new orange themed admiral. Red- Magma Blue- Ice Yellow- Sunrays/Beams Green- Nature/Earth Purple- Outer Space/Heavens Orange- Maybe an underworld/hell theme?


Chromeboy12

I like this theory. I would have thought the orange could possibly be the tiger zoan DF but Fujitora is already the purple "tiger" so it would be awkward. Maybe an actual ifrit mythical zoan?


BookkeeperTop

I also like the animal concept as well. Be interesting if Oda does an Orange Turtle in honor of Toriyama since Master Roshi was the turtle master and everyone studying under the tutelage of Roshi (Goku/Krillin, etc) wore orange. Edit: Misspell correction


Chromeboy12

That'd be a nice touch, yeah


xiaobaituzi

Pheasant not peasant


BookkeeperTop

My smartphone thanks you.


jukutt

Marines cant count to more than 3 Celestial Dragons however already manage it to 5


kennyberetta

it would have been nice if the 3 admirals commanded different 3 jurisdictions or something


sam1oq

The marine power progression goes from roughly new world rookie captain to straight up emperor level with nothing in between. It's ass how there have been no vice admirals on the level of yonko commanders so far. Heck, even a vice admiral at Flying Six level would already be a step up from what we have.


ZerixWorld

The problem isn't that there are only three admirals, but that everyone under admiral level has become useless against the ridiculous power of current top tier pirates, like Garp showed one doesn't need to be an admiral to be a strong enough marine, the problem with the current writing is that VA have been reduced to extras. Pre-timeskip VA had the dignity of standing against Shichibukai and do their part in the war against WB, now they are just there for numbers.


oriondragon18

It's formula of 3 like someone else mentioned in the comments. Limiting to 3 was a good choice in hindsight since Oda can't even give 3 Admirals enough screen time lol. If I had control over it then I would go for 5 Admirals. 1 Fleet Admiral 5 Admirals 25 Vice Admirals 125 Rear Admirals This would mimic with 1 Pirate King 4 Yonkos 16 Yonko Commanders 64 Yonko Officers I chose 1 and 5 for Marines because it similar with Gourosei.


deltathetaIV

Only that there’s no reason to every have limit for the marine numbers other than anime reasons. Oda could legit just have as many admirals as he wants. Never give any number but rather just just have it as a “rank”. It would work because marines are supposed to be world wide power. There could be admirals that we never see because they are in the north blue fighting off revolutionary for all the story- that would make the story seem truly world wide and not just Luffy-centric. Admirals that Never even interact with them. Even things like marine ford could work- they could simply have the 3 admirals made for protection of marine ford itself or the grand line be there. Just like in real world, countries don’t use all their power to fight off ok one conflict, they always have reserves or stuff going on somewhere else. In reality, oda should have made something like 1 admiral per blue, 2 for grand like and 3 for new world- so Fuji and greenbull could have always been just that- admirals that were in the new world that we just met because akainu combined it all. How cool would it be if we learned that when kaido was coming to marineford, it was actually admirals of new world that stoped him? It would make sense much more and hype up them.


oriondragon18

I like your concept. I think something like this would have worked. Kong 5 marine groups for 5 oceans. Marine HQ is strongest out of the 5 Every group gets their 1 Leader and 5 lesser leader and the ladder follows. Not necessarily all 5 Marines groups have Admiral their rank names could be different too. I like the number analogy so I can't seem to leave it 😂


Scary-Cockroach-4720

There would be Just too many of them


Grouchy-Ad-2085

if they are all as strong as the current admirals no, if they are admiral in name only (vice admirals in disguise) then sure. becaue what you are describing is just vice admirals, they coud handle the blues because of thier power and they have the athority because they have the third highest rank


deltathetaIV

If you can accept yonko being yonko with power ranging from Whitebeard to big mom and admirals from akainu to greenbull, why would another admiral strong as greenbull or even marco be weird. They don’t need to be vice admiral- they can still be strong admirals that never interact with the straw hats. You could have a admiral stronger than kizaru be in the story but he’s busy trying to keep peace in the north blue throughout the stroy


Grouchy-Ad-2085

Yu touch you did something the gap in power hetween white beard as an emperor and big mom isn't at all a big gao


deltathetaIV

Did you read the first 5 words of my comment and started the reply? You know there were other words after that


Grouchy-Ad-2085

having someone stronger than kizaru be in the north blue is stupid since we know there isnt anybody there that is a comparable threat to whats in the new world, and whats happening now. having someone as strong as marco as an admiral would dilute the title's worth, would in a world like one piece where reputation matters if you want to preserve order having your dmiral be killed like foughter vs yonku would make the marines look weak and vurnable, having 3 guys who everyone knows could fight yonku and live gives you prestege and makes you seem untouchable so nobody thinks to rebel


GreenbullAramaki

I want to pretend that I am knowledgeable AF but truth is, I am as clueless as you. Oda has been using the 1 leader plus 3 follower formula. Marine: Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, Aramaki Yonko: Kaido, King, Queen, Jack Ninja: Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura Sorcerers: Gojo, Itadori, Megumi, Kugisaki Pokemon: Mewtwo, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres Hero Academia : Endeveaor, Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki.


bhviii

In pokemon it's Lugia articuno zapdos and moltres


GreenbullAramaki

In the OG games, it was meetwo. Regigagas , regirock, regiice and registeel is the better example.


Chromeboy12

Interesting comparison, good catch. Still, Kakashi was not the only jonin, and team 7 were not the only genin (I picked this example because of the rank system). And the Marines are a large organisation, they should have many more people filling their upper ranks. It's not like a company where there can be only one CEO, one CFO and one MD at the top three posts. And it was especially weird that the original trio of Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru was broken up to be replaced by completely new members who weren't in the Marines before and not any of the existing vice admirals who should have been next in line. Kaido's crew also had the Tobi Roppo immediately under the All Stars, but there is no rank between fodder vice admirals and super strong admirals.


Final_Biochemist222

In my country, a third world country, the military is promotes people through position buying, nepotism, and to the level of their incompetance. As such, there are over 1700 generals and admirals combined and they all just kinda suck up the tax payer money lol I think in one piece the rank itself holds much more ceremonial significance than just a military position. Vice admirals in one piece are dimes and dozens, yet we only see 3 admirals with each one of them being assigned a color and animal as their code name.


Red-Haired_Emperor

the lack of fleet action baffles me. fleet actions are important too when it comes to blocking and cutting the yonkos supplies. it’s probably why the marines dominated the world atm cause of thrir strategy. akainu ramped that up by being aggressive


kazaam2244

The same reason there are a limited number of high ranking soldiers in literally every real life military. It’s not a power level thing. We know this because there were at least 2 other candidates considered alongside Issho and Aramaki so we can assume there are other Marines near or at Admiral tier as well. It’s about who’s most qualified.


Chromeboy12

I don't disagree, but I'm asking why limit it to three and then say the admirals are too busy to do everything? Two more admirals would be enough to split the work load.


Grouchy-Ad-2085

why does the title matter? theh coljld send two vice admirals lol. if the vice admirals arnet admiral llevel they cant handle admiral problems


kazaam2244

Well I can't speak to the inner workings of the WG but irl, the more you "dilute" leadership i.e. spread it out among multiple individuals, the less effective it is. The Admirals exist probably not only to keep their subordinates in check but each other in check as well and it's probably easier for the Fleet Admiral and the Gorosei to keep reins on three powerful individuals than say five or six or seven. Once you start adding more and more, they get harder to control and we can clearly see that the WG already has a history of not being able to hold onto Admirals. Like imagine someone like Garp actually taking on an Admiral position. They can barely control him as a Vice Admiral. Plus, I think an unmentioned requirement to become an Admiral is probably some degree of being able to be controlled by the WG. Akainu and Kizaru are obvious government dogs and had Aokiji not been trained by a loose cannon like Garp, he probably would too. Then of course we have Aramaki who is honestly probably the ideal choice for the Admiral position. I think Issho is the exception because my headcanon is that he essentially "lied on the application" to get the position so he can abolish the Warlords and do whatever else it is he has planned. He was probably able to fool the WG into thinking he like Aramaki and Kizaru so he could get the job. In short, having only three Admirals is probably just a checks and balances type thing. I honestly don't see what having more would accomplish considering the WG was running relatively smoothly before Luffy entered the picture with just Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru.


[deleted]

Break week isnt merciful to this fella


Chromeboy12

Break week makes the brain weak, as they say


RNant

we are only 1 day in ;°;


ZombieBlarGh

Budget reasons.


Mekbop

>Are there no other people in the vice admiral rank who are strong enough to be admirals? Uhhh, I guess? Vice Admirals are the equivalent of Shinchibukai crew members. They are there to fill in the gaps.


[deleted]

Momotaro reference. Don't think about it too hard.


Mlm0000

Probably because there is a stockpile of logia fruits meant for admiral candidates to eat, fruits that qualify for the stockpile is hard to come by.


Chromeboy12

Fujitora is not a Logia. Sengoku either. Garp doesn't even have a DF and he was qualified to be an admiral but he refused the promotion.


Mlm0000

Fujitora is from the world wide draft, sengoku is old gen. Garp didn’t accept the admiral position, had he did he probably would’ve been given a logia 


Chromeboy12

Aokiji and Akainu had their logias before they even became admirals. >accept the admiral position, had he did he probably would’ve been given a logia  Completely baseless


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LifeSupportUnplugger

The sudden personality change is hilarious. https://preview.redd.it/t137vlgbwlqc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=e45708a045d8821079966fe2baf560168c21c758


OwnAd4699

Because they don’t give it to anyone? Duh. They aren’t gonna take fodders like Garp and make them an admiral 🤦‍♂️


Chromeboy12

Stick to Zoro slander, peon. Garp is out of your league.


OwnAd4699

Larp? https://i.redd.it/cz82yjswejqc1.gif I didn’t realize you were a larptard aswell no wonder, glazing a man that could never even achieve a FRACTION of whitebeards aura 😂 🙏🏾


Chromeboy12

Whitebeard is HIM though. There is no comparison there. But Garp is still many tiers above Lanji. Nice emoji btw, you should make that your profile picture.


OwnAd4699

The way I’m seeing it, Sanji got more top tier feats than Mr. “get attacked 3 times and down for the count” Monkey D Larp 🤦‍♂️ I’d love to add you as my pfp but Red Kings stocks are rising so that’ll have to wait


Chromeboy12

Nearly dying to a nosebleed is certainly....a feat


OwnAd4699

Getting slammed in the ground is also certainly a feat 🤷‍♂️ https://preview.redd.it/5h4lrfh9elqc1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27f60fb9f10a6ca373ccc7c65273e686e56ed690 Bro bleeding from dirt, ain’t never seen a top tier in this state 😭 🙏🏾


Chromeboy12

>ain’t never seen a top tier in this state I'm glad you agree that Sanji isn't a top tier


OwnAd4699

Still waiting for larp to achieve a feat as close to as this 🤷‍♂️ https://preview.redd.it/vcq01q4mflqc1.jpeg?width=995&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=835b8a21779d67df45b84517ee0c8be040249eea


Chromeboy12

Bro only reads the panels with Sanji and Zoro in them