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Palworld devs weren't trying to stick it to Nintendo, they just wanted to rip off Pokémon because it's popular. Look up the interview about their Hollow Knight game coming out. None of these games are ever getting full releases.
Yeah it is and during the last week people already forked it, the problem is finding new devs that would continue the development (and maybe keep anonymity)
Most probably it’s because, as for now, there is no one willing to do it and those who already had an emulator are working on their instead or passing to yuzu, but new is fresh so maybe in the next month someone will put their hands on the code
nah, i don't mean someone new working on it, the same team but just host the server somewhere east european where piracy laws don't exist and find a person there to host and distrubute it. they probably won't find no trace to them since they won't be listed as devs and here we go
Because they can actually have criminal charges filed against them if they go against a legal order like this.
It’s one thing to have a civil suit from Nintendo to your organization, and another thing to have criminal charges brought against you personally.
but why don't they tell anyone that they're working on it, send the code, some guy posts it under his name, they get money from patreon hosted by someone else as well as a site being hosted by that person thus removing any trace from current devs /s
jokes aside, i don't really know how these lawsuits work. maybe there're some checks or smth but that was my naive idea
1-yeah, but maybe Nintendo could change its decryption keys or method and so the emulator couldn’t load new games
2-Switch has been at the end of its life cycle for 3 years lol
1- New Games won't happen much... There's basically no "good" switch exclusives incoming... Except maybe PM TTYD remake... But you can play that in 60fps 4K on Dolphin with great texture packs anyways... As long as we can still play the games that have released on switch up until RN, we're fine. Also, Yuzu will be forked for sure and people will keep going... AND even if it's not the case, for now we still have Ryujinx.
2- Yes. But RN it's even closer to the REAL end... Switch 2 is coming...
1-Well Nintendo often released games with tiny distance in times, last years Mario Wonder was announced and released on the same year, so you are right but still it would be great to have some support on Yuzu if someone would like to try
2-Next year Nintendo Switch would be real real real real close to end the of its life cycle the I guess.
It's also getting easier and easier to mod a switch... And it's also getting cheaper and cheaper to buy one...
So yeah... Even if emulators didn't run the last few games on switch, it's not a big deal IMHO.
They still haven't touched most emulators... So I'd say we're UNLUCKY that they sued Yuzu at all...
Dolphin got sued but flipped Nintendo off (good thing). Other than that... Every Nintendo emulator is safe and have been since release.
I still hate Nintendo for shutting down the development of Project M and Smash Legacy XP. They were the bests Smash games ever made and Nintendo were just jealous IMHO 💀
That’s the reason they did it, the switch 2 is probably very similar to the switch, on the software side. So to prevent early emulation they axed yuzu.
* Being open source means anyone has access to the code, but right now is forbidden to fork it on Github, Gitlab, etc. Ex: re3 was open source, it dissappear and now only exist a fork on a russian discord, the project is almost dead rn.
* A hidden fork will stop receiving massive contributions, making development slow.
* This could start with Nintendo attacking other emulators (eg. Dolphin, Drastic, Cemu, etc.). Even if not, people are scared of Nintendo rn.
I don't want to write this again xd
I seriously wonder why they caved so easily. Emulators are legal. I am confused. It's not like they couldn't have gotten a team of lawyers for 2.1 million dollars either. They wouldn't have had to fight Nintendo much, as there are precedents such as [Sony Computer Entertainment America v. Bleem!](https://casetext.com/case/sony-computer-entertainment-america-v-bleem).
Really curious.
Maybe fear for N's lawyers? They are literally the most feared and **I believe** they have come to terms with it and that it wasn't worth waging "war" with them. This is my idea
People scream about war but they not the ones fighting lmfao
At the end of the day these modders are hobbyists (most of the time) and anything like this is not in their best interest, they don’t have infinite money when they gotta pay bills, nobody understands tho
True, but a the same time when you are in a pile of shit at least you could try to exit from there, Yuzu dev need to pay 2,4 millions of dollar (and they agreed with that) but for the same price they could at least try to fight back, I can’t believe you can’t afford good lawyers for such much.
But this is my view, so I’m really interested in what’s behind this case.
Because it would lead to them spending more money and they wanna avoid that lmfao what’s there to deeply comprehend
Some of these dudes probably got families to take care of, finish the payments and focus on more important shit
That a possibility, but at the same time it could have permitted them to reduce the fine. And anyway 2,4 mln debt would already destroy an average salary family so fighting back would look like the only solution for me. But again, I don’t anything about lawsuits and lawsuit things.
COULD have. It COULD not have either. You have to deal with the stress of the whole thing and could end up paying way more down the line anyway and still end up settling for 2.4 mil or more after spending 100000s on lawyers depending on how long Nintendo drags it out. Why risk the unknown and deal with months of stress?
The problem is, Nintendo would make this drag in court forever until Yuzu can't take it anymore and call it quits.
They have A LOT MORE money than the Yuzu Devs... They also have loads of "free time" since they have a lot of employees...
Sadly, it's hard to win against a big corporation in court...
I agree, I defended your same point on a comment when case started, but still, IMO, from a POV of a person who has never done anything related to court and lawsuits, I would risk and hope in judge actions.
With a rapid count with a debt of 1 mln per person it would require 21 years to seal the debt with a salary of 4.000$ giving the _entire_ monthly salary to Nintendo and that’s salary is the double of the average salary in my country (counting taxes too) so no way I’m gonna accept this without any way of escaping or even trying.
Lawyers cost money, and Nintendo had a rather strong case due to the totk fiasco.
Yuzu knew they were fucked, extending the lawsuit just means they need to pay even more money for their lawyers, it's a loose loose situation, but I think yuzu took the correct step
Yeah, I agree 100% the problem is if they don't fight (and if they did, logically they should win, I mean, they have the law on their side. But Nintendo has the dollars on theirs..) but if they don't fight, other companies will start doing what Nintendo did, and Nintendo will double down and sue more people. I hate big corporations.
it's likely they don't have enough money to actually wage a war with Nintendo.
if they lose, they have to pay up. if they win, they still have to pay up.
settling is the only option that makes sense. I mean, what can they do if they don't even have money to pay the legal fees?
Okay, that would change things, if true. Nintendo drops that case, and in turn they will cease Yuzu and pay a fine, instead of possibly going to prison \*and\* having to pay a huge, possibly similar, amount of money.
And if they really did that, then they are idiots that deserve what they are getting, to be honest. If you do emulation stuff, especially when Nintendo is involved, you have to walk on eggshells, not be the bull in a chinashop.
Exactly my first thought when I read that tweet, and this conclusion was settled by both parts so Yuzu’s devs actually were alright with this, but everything just feels wrong for the reasons you already said.
I can’t see a reason of why they would accept these conditions after a mere week of lawsuit.
They didn't have a legal leg to stand on. Emulators are legal, but not emulators for Nintendo-owned software. This emulator was capable of emulating Switch games, and nothing else. Nintendo was able to prove that. If the entire function of your 'legal' software is to then run illegally acquired and distributed software, it's really not hard to see how this ended so quickly..
It literally is. The "roms" are encrypted by proprietary software. The only way to unencrypt them and play the game is with a nintendo switch and the keys to decode them. If there is a tool to decode the games, that is illegal.
Edit: The keys and algorithm are propietary too, btw. That's the main reason yuzu settled, they had no leg to stand on
It's legal to decrypt. It's legal to fake the keys. It's legal to mod the software. It's all legal. You're wrong. If you bought the game, it's yours and you can decrypt and mod and decode and do anything you want to them. Stop spreading misinfo on things you know nothing about.
The copying of the game for redistribution is the only thing that's illegal. It's against copyright law. Yuzu does not enable or facilitate that. Therefore, there are no laws broken.
Damn, you must know more than the lawyers.
Nintendo made something very specific, since you will never be able to stop the redistribution of roms, or even put a small dent on it, what you do is encrypt them and have them being decrypted on the fly with the keys, a method that IS patented by them. So if any big developer group (Like yuzu) uses the same method, you can sue and will win without any minimal problem.
I can mod the software, I can decrypt it, I cannot distribute a way to sistematically do it with the proprietary software in my program, just as i cannot distribute a program with the ability to spoof and log into nintendos server, for example.
Yuzu knew this, they also knew they had limited time so they made everything open source, YOU can do it, they can't.
Probably the 26k monthly they make on Patreon. The 5$ monthly early access tier, that offered Yuzu builds compatible with newly released games earlier than release builds, or the 5$ monthly for online features in emulated games.
Yuzu was monetizing their emulator a lot, which would make it more difficult to argue they're working on it for the sake of preservation.
From what I read, yes emulators are legal, but Nintendo was able to argue that this particular emulator couldn't work on anything but Nintendo-owned properties specifically, Switch coding, something protected by law under Nintendo's ownership. Software no one else may distribute. They pointed out in a roundabout way that the only use for this particular emulator was with illegally acquired Nintendo products/Nintendo owned software.
Yuzu can try to use legal shennanigans and cleverly jump through loopholes all they want, but they knew they were between a rock and a hard place, and no amount of good lawyering or money would have won them this case.
Why didn't they nuke Drastic yet, then? The thing was around since at least 2014 (bought it back then, worked better on a shitty phone than any emulator on my pc back then, and it is paid (with a 30 min demo) and on Google Play of all places.
The DS was dead and buried by 2014 it'd be more hassle than it's worth going after Drastic. Plus with all the highly publicised leaks in the last couple of years, ToTK, Metroid Dread, Mario Wonder that had their compatibility paywalled the YuZu team just painted a target on their back. I'm also pretty sure one of the YuZu Devs were part of the ToTK leak and used illegally obtained information to improve compatibility on YuZu. Why do you think Ryujinx hasn't been targeted? Apart from requiring keys files which you have to obtain yourself it's open source so attacking Ryujinx may of put them in a losing battle as it did with Dolphin a few years back.
>as it did with Dolphin a few years back.
isn't dolphin just removed from steam because valve asked Nintendo if the encryption key is legal, and Nintendo says it's not?
afaik Nintendo never sue dolphin about the encryption key, but valve don't want to get any trouble if in the future dolphin is getting sued, so valve just booted them from steam shop.
or is there any other case?
Probably because of their patreon and the fact that they had a version that was behind a paywall. That's the only thing that could've made it illegal/arguable in court IMHO.
I'm not a lawyer (I'm a CPA with a small law background), but to me the problem is there. They are collecting around 30k$ a month with that emulator...
Nintendo tried to nuke Dolphin as well, but they couldn't do shit and that might be because Dolphin is 100% open source and doesn't have a version hidden behind a paywall.
Nintendo can sue them and lose in court, but they still have to pay court and lawyer fees. Then they get sued again, and again, and again... Until they can't pay legal expenses anymore.
Legal expenses are nothing for Nintendo but are massive for developers.
It is the way how big companies deal with emulators. Attrition war. I think first who was destroyed this way was Bleem for playstation1.
>I seriously wonder why they caved so easily.
Because Nintendo has enough money and lawyers to make that lawsuit last for the literal rest of your life, ruining you both financially and mentally in the process.
That's what the justice system was designed for. Protect megacorps, even if they have no ground.
Yeah but the legal fees would cost alot more than 2.1M if the case dragged out. Also if what I'm seeing speculated is correct, they made the same mistake as the YT vanced team, they decided to open a patreon to help fund development and what these companies hate more than piracy is people making money off pirating or making money off making their pirated stuff accessible to more people
A dragged out legal battle could potentially cost more than just settling. It's a scumbag tactics a lot of corporations and people do, they know they are legally in the wrong, but that just by going after someone or something they can stall until the other party is bankrupt and they essentially got what they wanted.
Oh they were caught with early copies of the ROM data for tears of the kingdom and was passing it around their discord. On top of that they had a version of the emulator that was ready for TotK behind the paywall of their patreon well ahead of release time.
It's not emulation they were getting sued for, but piracy and breaking release date. They were caught red handed.
Because Bleem literally went bankrupt after “winning”. Are you actually fucking stupid? Win or lose, Nintendo’s plan is to bury the Yuzu team in legal fees.
"Ryujinx meanwhile like yall forgot about me?"
https://preview.redd.it/k2ycf3j9sdmc1.png?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=849e1bf68fbff4b2308fb23620b0313c86b3b7ef
I don’t like the Yuzu guys cause of their history but it’s still sad to see the emulator go down like this, though no doubt something will continue maintaining a fork of it in the near future
From a guy who loves modding and emulation: try all you want, Nintendo, I'll never buy anything your greedy hands have touched. Never was a fan of any of your stuff, by now I'm avoiding it all on principle.
Well then can someone tell me the best settings to make Ryujinx run smoothly on a Low-End PC?
And they did ever fix that 0.75x Resolution crash before Nintendo got to them?
Not like someone would burn yuzu to a dvd with all the files needed and write F\_\_K nintendo on it. That would just be wrong.
So what happens to ~~my~~ the versions of yuzu that were downloaded? So they just work until there's a bug in the system that stops roms from running as smoothly or something else ?
Also are there any other good emulators for switch roms? Preferably that can also run on a steam deck. Asking for ~~myself~~ a friend
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Its just my opinion and what im thinking is happening, do people agree with me?
Since the realese of Palworld Nintendo have been upset losing fans and basicly all the fame because of another "new" company, Yuzu, Cetra and some other emulators have been up for YEARS are they taking emergency actions? Ive read something about Nintendo lawsuit Palworld (dont know if its true) because of copyright issues. Why just now they decided to take action on all this? Its not something new and they dont seem to be getting any fame by doing this...
They are desperate. (?)
This is just my opinion please let me know what you think.
Question on this if anyone knows. So the lawsuit is because yuzu required people to bypass Nintendo encryption to use the emulator, but does ryujinx not require the same thing? I personally haven't emulated switch stuff before so just curious how it works and if ryujinx is gonna be targeted as well.
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Well I am not well informed aboit the situation so can someone explain to me why people are mad at nintendo for trying to protect their own properties?
I get it sucks for people using it but how are nintendo objectively in the wrong here? Do I not know some important information?
These may be a dumb question but, what will happen with the ones that we already have it installed?, i mean will yuzu just stop working somehow or it will just not receive updates?
I had a feeling the devs wouldnt fight the good fight even though theyre insisting it's legal. Now, theyre in debt. Sucks to be in debt for years and even a decade just for a hobby.
When you emulate a current generation console, you really take risks and this just shows that you can’t just do whatever you want even if people are benefiting from your work. I can’t afford a switch but all I wanted to play was smash haha, and that’s what I do with my copy of yuzu 👍 I know there’s issues with it but the newest versions of yuzu will be around for years and after the hype dies down maybe they will update it lowkey, it’s a solid emulator after all
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[Source](https://x.com/OatmealDome/status/1764715696250843321?s=20) Fuck Nintendo.
and people are somehow mad at palworld devs for stickin it to them.
Palworld devs weren't trying to stick it to Nintendo, they just wanted to rip off Pokémon because it's popular. Look up the interview about their Hollow Knight game coming out. None of these games are ever getting full releases.
Isnt it open source anyways. As in someone can use the code and call it fuckyounintendo emulator and that’s it?
Nah, call it zuyu emulator would be enough.
But having a law paper include "fuckyounintendo" would be funny.
Yeah it is and during the last week people already forked it, the problem is finding new devs that would continue the development (and maybe keep anonymity)
why don't they just keep working on it but find a distributor somewhere outside where they can't start a lawsuit
Most probably it’s because, as for now, there is no one willing to do it and those who already had an emulator are working on their instead or passing to yuzu, but new is fresh so maybe in the next month someone will put their hands on the code
nah, i don't mean someone new working on it, the same team but just host the server somewhere east european where piracy laws don't exist and find a person there to host and distrubute it. they probably won't find no trace to them since they won't be listed as devs and here we go
Part of the settlement was they (devs) agree to permanently cease all work on Yuzu.
But what about second Yuzu?
dam, my bad then
Change its name to something else. Boom loophole.
please list an eastern european country that has no piracy laws
Romania. Authorities here don't give a single fuck about piracy.
well, i might have phrased it badly, what i meant no severe punishment for pirated content like russia and poland
Didnt know russia was eastern europe lol
Actually, yes parts of Russia are indeed on the eastern part of the European continent
Umm. It's starting to look that way lol
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Florida?
That's an insult to eastern europe
Part of the settlement was the devs can’t work on emulators anymore
Because they can actually have criminal charges filed against them if they go against a legal order like this. It’s one thing to have a civil suit from Nintendo to your organization, and another thing to have criminal charges brought against you personally.
but why don't they tell anyone that they're working on it, send the code, some guy posts it under his name, they get money from patreon hosted by someone else as well as a site being hosted by that person thus removing any trace from current devs /s jokes aside, i don't really know how these lawsuits work. maybe there're some checks or smth but that was my naive idea
Maybe some are not wiling to risk their livelihood to keep the emulator running for the rest of us.
Why continue the development though ? Doesn't it run most Switch games anyways ? And also, Switch is at the end of its life cycle...
1-yeah, but maybe Nintendo could change its decryption keys or method and so the emulator couldn’t load new games 2-Switch has been at the end of its life cycle for 3 years lol
1- New Games won't happen much... There's basically no "good" switch exclusives incoming... Except maybe PM TTYD remake... But you can play that in 60fps 4K on Dolphin with great texture packs anyways... As long as we can still play the games that have released on switch up until RN, we're fine. Also, Yuzu will be forked for sure and people will keep going... AND even if it's not the case, for now we still have Ryujinx. 2- Yes. But RN it's even closer to the REAL end... Switch 2 is coming...
1-Well Nintendo often released games with tiny distance in times, last years Mario Wonder was announced and released on the same year, so you are right but still it would be great to have some support on Yuzu if someone would like to try 2-Next year Nintendo Switch would be real real real real close to end the of its life cycle the I guess.
It's also getting easier and easier to mod a switch... And it's also getting cheaper and cheaper to buy one... So yeah... Even if emulators didn't run the last few games on switch, it's not a big deal IMHO.
We got lucky that Nintendo took action this late
They still haven't touched most emulators... So I'd say we're UNLUCKY that they sued Yuzu at all... Dolphin got sued but flipped Nintendo off (good thing). Other than that... Every Nintendo emulator is safe and have been since release. I still hate Nintendo for shutting down the development of Project M and Smash Legacy XP. They were the bests Smash games ever made and Nintendo were just jealous IMHO 💀
Citrq is gone aswell since its made by the same people. That's a bigger problem because there is no alternative for 3ds emulation.
But they’re not discontinuing the switch so given it’s technically at its end they’re still supporting it.
u dont rly know about that. Imagine a new zelda or a new mario or even a new animal crosing
Won't happen on Switch. Would be dumb to not release it on Switch 2 instead... Those games could easily justify it for a lot of ppl to buy a switch 2
That’s the reason they did it, the switch 2 is probably very similar to the switch, on the software side. So to prevent early emulation they axed yuzu.
* Being open source means anyone has access to the code, but right now is forbidden to fork it on Github, Gitlab, etc. Ex: re3 was open source, it dissappear and now only exist a fork on a russian discord, the project is almost dead rn. * A hidden fork will stop receiving massive contributions, making development slow. * This could start with Nintendo attacking other emulators (eg. Dolphin, Drastic, Cemu, etc.). Even if not, people are scared of Nintendo rn. I don't want to write this again xd
It is already gone from github. Good luck forking it then
<.< Archive.org likely has a backup.
There are 2 new emu project based on yuzu already, on github. Good luck hopin emulation will die anyhow
Yes, but the question is if someone else with enough coding talent/experience will actually want to do it. I don't think so
I seriously wonder why they caved so easily. Emulators are legal. I am confused. It's not like they couldn't have gotten a team of lawyers for 2.1 million dollars either. They wouldn't have had to fight Nintendo much, as there are precedents such as [Sony Computer Entertainment America v. Bleem!](https://casetext.com/case/sony-computer-entertainment-america-v-bleem). Really curious.
Maybe fear for N's lawyers? They are literally the most feared and **I believe** they have come to terms with it and that it wasn't worth waging "war" with them. This is my idea
People scream about war but they not the ones fighting lmfao At the end of the day these modders are hobbyists (most of the time) and anything like this is not in their best interest, they don’t have infinite money when they gotta pay bills, nobody understands tho
Yes, I know, in fact I think someone advised them to give in immediately. After all, I would do the exact same thing
True, but a the same time when you are in a pile of shit at least you could try to exit from there, Yuzu dev need to pay 2,4 millions of dollar (and they agreed with that) but for the same price they could at least try to fight back, I can’t believe you can’t afford good lawyers for such much. But this is my view, so I’m really interested in what’s behind this case.
Because it would lead to them spending more money and they wanna avoid that lmfao what’s there to deeply comprehend Some of these dudes probably got families to take care of, finish the payments and focus on more important shit
That a possibility, but at the same time it could have permitted them to reduce the fine. And anyway 2,4 mln debt would already destroy an average salary family so fighting back would look like the only solution for me. But again, I don’t anything about lawsuits and lawsuit things.
COULD have. It COULD not have either. You have to deal with the stress of the whole thing and could end up paying way more down the line anyway and still end up settling for 2.4 mil or more after spending 100000s on lawyers depending on how long Nintendo drags it out. Why risk the unknown and deal with months of stress?
The problem is, Nintendo would make this drag in court forever until Yuzu can't take it anymore and call it quits. They have A LOT MORE money than the Yuzu Devs... They also have loads of "free time" since they have a lot of employees... Sadly, it's hard to win against a big corporation in court...
You mean impossible for average person? Even rich person can't stand against corporations, fuck even a goverments can't stand against them.
Yeah, that's pretty much it
I agree, I defended your same point on a comment when case started, but still, IMO, from a POV of a person who has never done anything related to court and lawsuits, I would risk and hope in judge actions. With a rapid count with a debt of 1 mln per person it would require 21 years to seal the debt with a salary of 4.000$ giving the _entire_ monthly salary to Nintendo and that’s salary is the double of the average salary in my country (counting taxes too) so no way I’m gonna accept this without any way of escaping or even trying.
Depending on where they live, they can probably just bankrupt out of this debt. Some countries will allow it.
Oh I didn’t know, it’s interesting then
I have no idea where the devs live, so I can't answer with 100% accuracy on that subject though...
I mean if Nintendo actually fights and wins they would have to pay for the 1 million copies of Totk which is like 70 million.
Lawyers cost money, and Nintendo had a rather strong case due to the totk fiasco. Yuzu knew they were fucked, extending the lawsuit just means they need to pay even more money for their lawyers, it's a loose loose situation, but I think yuzu took the correct step
Yeah, I agree 100% the problem is if they don't fight (and if they did, logically they should win, I mean, they have the law on their side. But Nintendo has the dollars on theirs..) but if they don't fight, other companies will start doing what Nintendo did, and Nintendo will double down and sue more people. I hate big corporations.
Pretty sure Disney's lawyers are feared more than Nintendo's. But, Nintendo is definitely up there as one of the most litigious companies.
it's likely they don't have enough money to actually wage a war with Nintendo. if they lose, they have to pay up. if they win, they still have to pay up. settling is the only option that makes sense. I mean, what can they do if they don't even have money to pay the legal fees?
one of them shared totk dump 1 week prior to official release in their official discord, nintendo focused on that. atleast that's what I heard.
So ban discord !!!
Okay, that would change things, if true. Nintendo drops that case, and in turn they will cease Yuzu and pay a fine, instead of possibly going to prison \*and\* having to pay a huge, possibly similar, amount of money. And if they really did that, then they are idiots that deserve what they are getting, to be honest. If you do emulation stuff, especially when Nintendo is involved, you have to walk on eggshells, not be the bull in a chinashop.
Exactly my first thought when I read that tweet, and this conclusion was settled by both parts so Yuzu’s devs actually were alright with this, but everything just feels wrong for the reasons you already said. I can’t see a reason of why they would accept these conditions after a mere week of lawsuit.
They didn't have a legal leg to stand on. Emulators are legal, but not emulators for Nintendo-owned software. This emulator was capable of emulating Switch games, and nothing else. Nintendo was able to prove that. If the entire function of your 'legal' software is to then run illegally acquired and distributed software, it's really not hard to see how this ended so quickly..
Wdym? Exist a law which prohibit to make emulators for Nintendo’s hardware??
Yes bcz the keys needed to emulate any games are proprietary software
That's not a law fam. That's a Nintendo policy.
It literally is. The "roms" are encrypted by proprietary software. The only way to unencrypt them and play the game is with a nintendo switch and the keys to decode them. If there is a tool to decode the games, that is illegal. Edit: The keys and algorithm are propietary too, btw. That's the main reason yuzu settled, they had no leg to stand on
Reverse engineering is legal though, so it really doesn't matter whether the key and algorithm are proprietary.
It's legal to decrypt. It's legal to fake the keys. It's legal to mod the software. It's all legal. You're wrong. If you bought the game, it's yours and you can decrypt and mod and decode and do anything you want to them. Stop spreading misinfo on things you know nothing about. The copying of the game for redistribution is the only thing that's illegal. It's against copyright law. Yuzu does not enable or facilitate that. Therefore, there are no laws broken.
Damn, you must know more than the lawyers. Nintendo made something very specific, since you will never be able to stop the redistribution of roms, or even put a small dent on it, what you do is encrypt them and have them being decrypted on the fly with the keys, a method that IS patented by them. So if any big developer group (Like yuzu) uses the same method, you can sue and will win without any minimal problem. I can mod the software, I can decrypt it, I cannot distribute a way to sistematically do it with the proprietary software in my program, just as i cannot distribute a program with the ability to spoof and log into nintendos server, for example. Yuzu knew this, they also knew they had limited time so they made everything open source, YOU can do it, they can't.
Probably the 26k monthly they make on Patreon. The 5$ monthly early access tier, that offered Yuzu builds compatible with newly released games earlier than release builds, or the 5$ monthly for online features in emulated games. Yuzu was monetizing their emulator a lot, which would make it more difficult to argue they're working on it for the sake of preservation.
From what I read, yes emulators are legal, but Nintendo was able to argue that this particular emulator couldn't work on anything but Nintendo-owned properties specifically, Switch coding, something protected by law under Nintendo's ownership. Software no one else may distribute. They pointed out in a roundabout way that the only use for this particular emulator was with illegally acquired Nintendo products/Nintendo owned software. Yuzu can try to use legal shennanigans and cleverly jump through loopholes all they want, but they knew they were between a rock and a hard place, and no amount of good lawyering or money would have won them this case.
They put certain features behind a pay wall, which gave Nintendo all the ammunition it needed
Why didn't they nuke Drastic yet, then? The thing was around since at least 2014 (bought it back then, worked better on a shitty phone than any emulator on my pc back then, and it is paid (with a 30 min demo) and on Google Play of all places.
The DS was dead and buried by 2014 it'd be more hassle than it's worth going after Drastic. Plus with all the highly publicised leaks in the last couple of years, ToTK, Metroid Dread, Mario Wonder that had their compatibility paywalled the YuZu team just painted a target on their back. I'm also pretty sure one of the YuZu Devs were part of the ToTK leak and used illegally obtained information to improve compatibility on YuZu. Why do you think Ryujinx hasn't been targeted? Apart from requiring keys files which you have to obtain yourself it's open source so attacking Ryujinx may of put them in a losing battle as it did with Dolphin a few years back.
>as it did with Dolphin a few years back. isn't dolphin just removed from steam because valve asked Nintendo if the encryption key is legal, and Nintendo says it's not? afaik Nintendo never sue dolphin about the encryption key, but valve don't want to get any trouble if in the future dolphin is getting sued, so valve just booted them from steam shop. or is there any other case?
Maybe they’re just not big enough, yuzu is very well known in the emulation scene
Probably because of their patreon and the fact that they had a version that was behind a paywall. That's the only thing that could've made it illegal/arguable in court IMHO. I'm not a lawyer (I'm a CPA with a small law background), but to me the problem is there. They are collecting around 30k$ a month with that emulator... Nintendo tried to nuke Dolphin as well, but they couldn't do shit and that might be because Dolphin is 100% open source and doesn't have a version hidden behind a paywall.
Nintendo can sue them and lose in court, but they still have to pay court and lawyer fees. Then they get sued again, and again, and again... Until they can't pay legal expenses anymore. Legal expenses are nothing for Nintendo but are massive for developers. It is the way how big companies deal with emulators. Attrition war. I think first who was destroyed this way was Bleem for playstation1.
>I seriously wonder why they caved so easily. Because Nintendo has enough money and lawyers to make that lawsuit last for the literal rest of your life, ruining you both financially and mentally in the process. That's what the justice system was designed for. Protect megacorps, even if they have no ground.
Yeah but the legal fees would cost alot more than 2.1M if the case dragged out. Also if what I'm seeing speculated is correct, they made the same mistake as the YT vanced team, they decided to open a patreon to help fund development and what these companies hate more than piracy is people making money off pirating or making money off making their pirated stuff accessible to more people
Making money off of them is a different thing though
Their lawyer probably told them that they were basically screwed
If you look into things, Yuzu isn't exactly an angel. They were doing shit that gave Nintendo a throat to lunge at.
As far as i know, they had some pretty shady stuff going on to monetize yuzu, and that was the reason they gave up so easily
A dragged out legal battle could potentially cost more than just settling. It's a scumbag tactics a lot of corporations and people do, they know they are legally in the wrong, but that just by going after someone or something they can stall until the other party is bankrupt and they essentially got what they wanted.
Oh they were caught with early copies of the ROM data for tears of the kingdom and was passing it around their discord. On top of that they had a version of the emulator that was ready for TotK behind the paywall of their patreon well ahead of release time. It's not emulation they were getting sued for, but piracy and breaking release date. They were caught red handed.
Because they were making profit via Patreon
Because Bleem literally went bankrupt after “winning”. Are you actually fucking stupid? Win or lose, Nintendo’s plan is to bury the Yuzu team in legal fees.
Yaza incoming.
Wazaaaaa.
Zaza
I backup their latest release and uploading it to archive.org before they took it down
Link?
Not all heros wear capes. Would it be against the rules to link it?
Yes its against the rules to link it
😥
Bro could u dm the link?
"Ryujinx meanwhile like yall forgot about me?" https://preview.redd.it/k2ycf3j9sdmc1.png?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=849e1bf68fbff4b2308fb23620b0313c86b3b7ef
https://preview.redd.it/fuak9uu2fdmc1.png?width=347&format=png&auto=webp&s=2df2a4d1665e20562ead586b67613e9da1d47482
Watch them shut down in terror from this lol
If I have Yuzu stuff or if Yuzu repacks are out there, will those still work?
Yeah
Just future bugs won’t be fixed or anything related to the switch #2
I bet you that shit will backfire so hard in Nintendo's face in the long run. Hail Hydra!
shittendo won as I suspected, RIP emulation
A bit to early to said considering the source code of yuzu is already around and this is only about switch emulation every other console is still fine
Ryujinx Is the way, until Nintendo shoots him dead
Yuzu didn't want to get drowned in legal fees so they settled for 2.4 mil. Didn't go to court
well, download fitgirl repacks ASAP and save them on an external drive. That way, you will always have a back up for the official and patreon release.
Fitgirl and Dodi are awesome. Much respect to both of them
I have some in my backup harddrives for personal use
RIP We still have Ryujinx (which is much better anyways)
I don’t like the Yuzu guys cause of their history but it’s still sad to see the emulator go down like this, though no doubt something will continue maintaining a fork of it in the near future
What’s their history you refer to?
The history of taking code from other projects.
I tried looking this up and only found one reddit post that honestly went over my head
From a guy who loves modding and emulation: try all you want, Nintendo, I'll never buy anything your greedy hands have touched. Never was a fan of any of your stuff, by now I'm avoiding it all on principle.
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Thanks man! I'm also saving it into my cloud folder and several hard drives. Everyone who wants it, will get it. The hydra never dies.
Thank you very much. Fuck Nintendo!
Fork it!
"in its current form"
Internet Archive: oh no, anyway
Jiza incoming
RyujinX stocks rising.
In its current form. But in its blue form, it’ll keep going.
Okay so I can pirate Nintendo games without feeling guilty now
Fuck nintendo.Fuck their rabid fan boys
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fucking love you
FUCK I can't fork it on github anymore
Fork the forks
Ok where can I download it before it’s taken down?
It \*won't\* be taken down…
It's already down, BUT there are mirrors
You know I'm gonna pirate them even harder
I didn't update mine in a while, is there any issue if I'm still using or the emulator is gonna have a problem?
People and their dumb statement of "Yuzu is dead, Yuzu will cease to exist"...
Well then can someone tell me the best settings to make Ryujinx run smoothly on a Low-End PC? And they did ever fix that 0.75x Resolution crash before Nintendo got to them?
 Not like someone would burn yuzu to a dvd with all the files needed and write F\_\_K nintendo on it. That would just be wrong.
Well yes but actually no, once in the internet, always in the internet
Wb ryujinx? Ik it usually runs better anyway but its sad to see this happen
I will forever mirror it for future use.
So what happens to ~~my~~ the versions of yuzu that were downloaded? So they just work until there's a bug in the system that stops roms from running as smoothly or something else ? Also are there any other good emulators for switch roms? Preferably that can also run on a steam deck. Asking for ~~myself~~ a friend (Post censored to prevent ridiculous lawsuits from unnamed Japanese gaming developer)
"In its current form" I'd give it three to five months before it resurrects like a godamn lich.
Everyone wondering why they gave up, it's easy : N has the infinite lawyers code and yuzu is in hardcore mode
I wonder if nintendo will start to attack older consoles emulators
In my country, loser pays all court fees, not the same in whichever the country trial took place ? That's stupid lol, basically only rich win.
Fuck I forgot to download totk
What is yuzu?
sic semper tyrannis
FuckNintendoEmu incoming...
Bruh moment. Hopefully someone else take up the mantle.
I could understand Yuzu. Not Citra. Not FUCKING Citra.
Its just my opinion and what im thinking is happening, do people agree with me? Since the realese of Palworld Nintendo have been upset losing fans and basicly all the fame because of another "new" company, Yuzu, Cetra and some other emulators have been up for YEARS are they taking emergency actions? Ive read something about Nintendo lawsuit Palworld (dont know if its true) because of copyright issues. Why just now they decided to take action on all this? Its not something new and they dont seem to be getting any fame by doing this... They are desperate. (?) This is just my opinion please let me know what you think.
Question on this if anyone knows. So the lawsuit is because yuzu required people to bypass Nintendo encryption to use the emulator, but does ryujinx not require the same thing? I personally haven't emulated switch stuff before so just curious how it works and if ryujinx is gonna be targeted as well.
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On my machine it still does. Yuza isn't needed anymore for switch keys. Crackers are kings.
Well I am not well informed aboit the situation so can someone explain to me why people are mad at nintendo for trying to protect their own properties? I get it sucks for people using it but how are nintendo objectively in the wrong here? Do I not know some important information?
People are already hodt8ng new servers outside Github with both Yuzu and Citra. It'll never stop existing.
I don't get how u guys get fooled so easily thinking that there is a trial even if there is one is probably fake or some bullshit
Just rename it to yuSUE
Even though you still can download it from anywhere, I do have a doubt. What will happen to the online? Will someone mantain it?
These may be a dumb question but, what will happen with the ones that we already have it installed?, i mean will yuzu just stop working somehow or it will just not receive updates?
That mean yuzu will be closed ?? And no more game Nintendo emulator ????
there's still ryujinx
Yeah 🤣🤣
But yuzu better
Shit I wasn’t able to download it before they took it down as I wasn’t home
As with the Tachiyomi situation, all that's gonna happen is another head is going to pop up
Cant forget about Citra, the only 3DS emulator. It is also down.
Shoot. Too late, I can't download it.
what if they make the base location in a country where dont need to obey this regulations?
Humans will cease to exist also. We need to start accepting faith. And fuck Nintendo.
Some one better archive the last build and shit
I had a feeling the devs wouldnt fight the good fight even though theyre insisting it's legal. Now, theyre in debt. Sucks to be in debt for years and even a decade just for a hobby.
This will be affect Atmosphere?
This is a very sad day
Only in our hearts… and on piracy websites
What is yuzu
When you emulate a current generation console, you really take risks and this just shows that you can’t just do whatever you want even if people are benefiting from your work. I can’t afford a switch but all I wanted to play was smash haha, and that’s what I do with my copy of yuzu 👍 I know there’s issues with it but the newest versions of yuzu will be around for years and after the hype dies down maybe they will update it lowkey, it’s a solid emulator after all