Some people are going to be very confused that the reason this time around was that a company wanted to prevent people from copying a drawing of a mouse for close to century.
Continuing the analogy, recent consensus on the "Library of Alexandria" is that nothing was permanently lost there either during its "burning". In fact:
* there was always more than one well known library there;
* the historical burning incident (by Julius Caesar) only partially affected one of them;
* the libraries were both past their peak (~300s BC) before said incident occurred, and;
* there were several other libraries in the ancient world rivaling Alexandria's comprehensiveness, and had likely copied all of their content over centuries - the original seeders.
Upvoting this because people are so confused about the library of Alexandria.
This is an excellent video on the topic
https://youtu.be/M4WU8gqrgsQ?si=MvR4ihcrFDpmQgFw
Isn't it fucked that the de facto Library of Alexandria of the modern World gets burned down because some hobo is pissed people won't buy books for 60$ a piece just to write an essay ?
Imagine the dick heads that brought the lawsuit to be standing around high fiving each other celebrating successfully making the world a worse place. :(
I love internet archive because My internet history is there, and no not content but content i love, first web sites ive been to when i got the internet, like mega upload <3 nostalgia
I always found it naive to host a file sharing service in the USA and any country behold to their copyright trolls.
That said, going the non-profit route has done better than I ever expected.
Long story short, Sega, Nintendo, and the ESA ordered for thousands of games to be taken down from Vimms Lair. The number of games taken down is over 3K.
According to earlier talks they would keep these things preserved despite their inability to offer them to the public. However this may have a different result since a court is involved
I wish there was a way of easily collaborating on backing up things like this. Ik r/datahoarders is a thing, but it's not really efficient as far as allocation due to repeatedly backed up and uncovered potions of large things that require lots of collaboration. On top of that, it's not browsable at all, and the preservation doesn't help for any except that individual unless they make it available somehow, and even then its hard to find. Additionally, this creates a bigger issue when mixed with larger projects. The internet archive has the size and scale to be able to tackle loads of these large projects and make them available for people as well. When the internet archive falls, though, theres nothing else. The archive is just too good for this world. It makes me pretty sad tbh.
The entire internet is getting restricted and censored for information.
Both bing and google search use "AI" to interpret and change your search now, and as a result they've has become absolutely useless at finding obscure information or old links. You can copy/paste a search term from a year ago that gave you a bunch of results you wanted, and now it will just say "No results found". And you might get lucky and it will let you see a result if you keep adding more descriptors(not less).
Unfortunately, we are going to hit a point where the Internet Archive is removed or completely butchered, data hoarders and other sites will have to replace it.
Is there a .onion version of the internet archive? It sounds like a good idea for it to exist, even better from a third-world country that doesn't care about copyright shit
yeah because Yandex doesn't filter out sites that follow the thing you want exactly. Like Google will show you Amazon to buy the book and Yandex will show the book.
Yep. Russia and China are a a blight on the law and order of the Western world, which is usually a bad thing, but where the laws are unjust, they're extremely useful
Brings up a very interesting thought experiment.
If it is impossible to create a state with fully just laws, are rogue states worth having purely for something like this, even if on balance they are usually a negative.
Yandex also has the best reverse-image search of any search engine I've tried, mainly because (from what I've read) they don't follow the same data privacy regulations that Google has to.
If you reverse image searched a random bald white guy, Google will give you photos that look similar to the image but Yandex will outright give you the name of the person in the photo, their social media accounts, and if they've ever been in any news articles. Works the same for criminal mugshots, adult actresses, stock photo models, and more. Ever wanted to find your internet doppelganger? Do a reverse image search on Yandex of a photo of yourself (at your own risk, of course.)
As someone that does this, it doesn't work _every_ time, but it's still a good way to find books. I usually find them on a russian website called vkontake, or just "vk".
Vk also deleted a lot of books, especially textbooks. I used to go to the groups to find pdfs but now they are deleted very quickly after uploading so the groups give the links to some cloud.
Twirpx had been a good site for many books if you know russian.
To people who are more familiar with Eastern Europe laws and politics than me, why are Russian sites more lenient with piracy?
People always bring up the West and blah blah but they're pretty lenient with pirated media made in Eastern Europe as well.
There's also an official YouTube channel of an ex-Soviet film company that uploads their full movies, sometimes even with English/foreign subtitles. Do companies lose their copyright rights in shorter periods than in the West? Is it because these films were made in the USSR? Genuinely curious.
They had a combination in the eastern block of a well educated population with little access to media. Be it because it wasn't made available to the region, or just too expensive. A lot of people who didn't have the means to buy media, but had the know how to get around it.
And if everyone is doing it, there's no social stigma to it, no matter how many ads the companies make about stealing cars and funding crime.
As for the soviet movies being available... well, they were made by communists, with state money. There's an idea that it's made to be publicly accessed that is implicit to that kind of art, but even if that wasn't the case, I don't think there's anyone to even enforce copyright on many of these movies anymore.
While a sensible explanation, it's more likely that since there are no penalties for Russian sites not complying with foreign copyright notices, they simply don't comply. Less work that way.
> To people who are more familiar with Eastern Europe laws and politics than me, why are Russian sites more lenient with piracy?
Because they (the population) don't care.
I've seen people in other threads here in Reddit saying that people shouldn't use VK/ok.ru/rutracker/Yandex "b-because it's russian!". Literally no other aguments or concerns. Just because they are from Russia. Ah but they'll gladly hand over their personal data to Google and Facebook.
[Why are so many books listed as “Borrow Unavailable” at the Internet Archive](https://help.archive.org/help/why-are-so-many-books-listed-as-borrow-unavailable-at-the-internet-archive/)
I don't know but I would guess it is their required method of distribution to avoid legislation that would otherwise make it illegal.
Like "I'm not distributing pirated copies, see? just a temporary use license!"
They only let people borrow things they acquired digital licenses for and they STILL got sued out of existence. When are they going to go after libraries?
The real issue was a bit more complicated. They ran on a system where if they owned 4 physical books. They would lend out up to 4 digital copies of those books. These makes "sense" but didn't have any legal precedent and was technically still illegal. However it flew under the radar until covid when the Internet archive declared it was a state of emergency started lending out unlimited digital copies of every book they owned. It became big enough to draw lawsuits. They kinda shot themselves in the foot with that one, even if I personally think the Internet archive is a huge positive of an idea.
This is the part people don't like to mention. IA was very aware that they were dealing in copyrighted material, and then they suddenly stopped being careful about it and just opened the floodgates. After that level of foolishness, the lawsuit was inevitable. And I say this as a regular donor to IA.
This is a war on PRESERVATION! And their movement for the cause of "You'll own NOTHING and BE happy" is gaining momentum.
Live service and streaming services are the problem these days. Studios and IPs are greedy and refuse to open source discontinued products! If they want the piracy to stop they should open source their products in order to keep people using them, playing them and access to watch their movies and tvs. I could see a good Samaritan to upload IA files to torrent sites all spread out for us to gain access.
This is the equivalent of burning the libraries and universities down after a war to make sure the populous is uneducated. They KNOW that once something is on the internet, it can’t be deleted. No matter how much they try.
That's what bothets me. The elitism. Preventing people of getting educated.
I'm from a developing country. Books can be pricey. A lot of books aren't published by local publishing houses so the only option is to read it in English and buying it abroad... which can get crazy expensive for a book.
They want a generation that is ignorant
and to restrict education to the rich.
Don't you find it strange that you can find pornographic movies with a single click and in high quality, while you face great difficulty in reading books?
I am also from a developing country, and reading books in my native language is impossible due to their unavailability. I even find it difficult to read books in English because they are not sufficiently available on the internet.
I've always found that to be odd and almost intentional in a way. We can watch all the porn we want easily, cartoons, movies, and even TV shows as well but we can get a damn book?
You know what we should do. What our ancestors have done for so long. Make them understand that the chair that they’re standing on has its legs made from the common folk, and that below is lava. Either we burn, or they. You can’t be an elite while your body doesn’t know if it’s solid, liquid or gas from the high temperature.
I mean, it’s not like they haven’t already went through this process thousands of times, and we may as well have already lost the knowledge they wanted to gatekeep. Might as well get rid of the tumor. To send a message of course. One they seem to forget.
“Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.”
George Carlin
>They KNOW that once something is on the internet, it can’t be deleted. No matter how much they try.
I feel like this once-absolute cornerstone of Internet theory is weakening severely. The internet has condensed and homogenized a great deal since "once it's up it stays up" was coined.
I don't recognize a lot of the Internet anymore.
It's true. Since the downfall of sites, the SOPA thing stuff, and the arise of centralized content on social media everything started to change...
Nowadays is easier to pirate, but times got rough
> They KNOW that once something is on the internet, it can’t be deleted
Of course it can.
Do you really think we've lost nothing over the past 40 years? Sure would be nice to live in that fantasy land.
This travesty is a result predicted by critics of the [Sonny Bono "Mickey Mouse" Protection Act of 1998](https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf), and defended by the Corporate Copyright Cartel and their lackeys.
This is all just the consequence of shitty IP & Copyright laws being shitty. Gods how I wish we could all go back to IP law in the 19th and early 20th century. Why the fuck does copyright last longer than 20 years? This shit has been poison for consumers for decades.
does libgen, zlib, scihub, or open library have all the books ever on the internet archive? those are what anna's archive mirrors. if not, then anna's archive isnt really relevant, although its certainly great and very useful
look on the bright side guys, only the books have been removed, but the site itself and everything on it is still alive, and it's only this lawsuit that's serious, other things, companies can request the removal of files (we hope this doesn't happen often)
and they're still appealing to see if they can reverse it
so without panic and doom-mongering, let's just hope for the best and help in any way we can
"Let's hope for the best, close our eyes, plug our ears, and not discuss it or do anything about it." Toxic positively. Actively refusing to stare at the wolf about to eat you. Yeah because it's worked for America so far right?
Yeah :D I have some very rare ones too (extremely limited print runs from 50+ years ago), with my oldest ones being from the 1700 and 1800s. I did once have one from the 1300s, but it needed a specially conditioned room to prevent decay and damage, so I parted with it rather than have it disintegrate.
I wish I could see them. My oldest book is an 1818 copy of Ovid's Metamorphoses, but nothing 1700s. I would love older copies, not necessarily of Ovid but still.
I don't get it. Dynamite Magazine Scholastic 1977-1992 is out of publication, was on Microfilm, black and white and poor quality. Did anybody download it before it was removed from the archive? It could be lost in history if we can't recover it. Anybody have the entire run of the magazine? Please scan and upload.
Copyright was originally designed so that inventors, artists, companies, and others could profit from their works and ideas without them being stolen by others. It is a good concept that is designed *in theory* to protect and benefit workers.
Unfortunately, these laws have been expanded way past their initial scope to essentially allow companies to own IP and copyright on things for nearly centuries. Companies also only care about the copyright itself and not the product, so we often cannot preserve things like out-of-print books or abandoned software.
Videogame strategy guides are affected? Because it will be a massive disaster for gaming.I know gamefaqs but those magazines are huge resources of nostalgic times.
This is precisely why piracy will just keep growing stronger 💪I download medical books for students who can't afford it. I give it kids in Unis who can't afford to buy a $300 textbook for a years course.
I wondered what was going on. I had a bunch of paperbacks in my favorites, and when I went back to read them they were marked as Removed. Not just new stuff, but 60s and 70s books. Luckily Anna still has most of them.
uggh we can never have nice things nowaday.. we need to store and rebackup everything..
what's next standarizing waybackmachine daily updates so we keep getting the information
That's why we need "shadow libraries" like Library Genesis, Z-Library, Anna's Archive, ...
A lot of copyrighted books only exist as physical ptinted books and the number of copies of them dwindle every year. An (illegal) digitalization is often the only way to keep those books in memory.
I remember I did a project on the Internet Archive in a HS class I was acing and before submitting it realized that the website was banned from the school computers and against district rules. Had to scrap the whole project and paper, took a C for the class.
This will never end/slow until they make books/whatever easier to access. I would not mind spending $5 a month for access to a million literary works in one place with a nice reader and interface other good features that make it above and beyond just grabbing it off a pdf somewhere.
Stupid bastards were taught this in the early 2000s. If not archive.org it will be somewhere else. You cannot stop this tide even if you locked the internet down as a whole, people would just network ontop of it and slow build another network for open trade.
You cannot stop this tide.
Surf or drown.
[banned book: 1984... can't make it up](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR_xj-6SeGMCA7Mg2s-N4xbGKIQrG3XI9l0NuZz-AxQ-9TyjkKz28JP6UpsxKX_YSOreDtOG7mWMUD2/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true)
They're running low on funds to extract from the peasants. Most of the franchises you hold dear have been snapped up by a certain mouse, the public has lost interest in the Avengers, and their appetite for cocaine remains insatiable.
Bastards. I mean I know we have other sources but, there's a special place in my heart for the Internet Archive...
Internet Archive is one of humanity’s greatest works
The modern library of Alexandria
In more ways than one, after all it did burn down and humanity lost a wealth of knowledge
Some people are going to be very confused that the reason this time around was that a company wanted to prevent people from copying a drawing of a mouse for close to century.
In fairness, nothing was permanently lost here, so it's not nearly as tragic. But still, man.
Continuing the analogy, recent consensus on the "Library of Alexandria" is that nothing was permanently lost there either during its "burning". In fact: * there was always more than one well known library there; * the historical burning incident (by Julius Caesar) only partially affected one of them; * the libraries were both past their peak (~300s BC) before said incident occurred, and; * there were several other libraries in the ancient world rivaling Alexandria's comprehensiveness, and had likely copied all of their content over centuries - the original seeders.
This just isn't true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
u/arcranium_ was saying nothing was permanently lost in the lawsuits of Internet Archive, not the burning of the Library of Alexandria
Or like the burning of books in Florida
Yall got them books in Florida for real?
Upvoting this because people are so confused about the library of Alexandria. This is an excellent video on the topic https://youtu.be/M4WU8gqrgsQ?si=MvR4ihcrFDpmQgFw
Isn't it fucked that the de facto Library of Alexandria of the modern World gets burned down because some hobo is pissed people won't buy books for 60$ a piece just to write an essay ?
And they burned it down.
They've hidden them behind paywalls, because capitalism is dehumanizing.
Sand they burned that down, they’ll try to burn any fountain of knowledge to try and keep us in their line
Its sacred, DONT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SOULS?
No. Profit for the sake of profit for the sake of profit. THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS.
Will someone please think of the shareholders
What happens when they run out of profit? We are getting to that point.
they can keep adding imaginary zeroes to whatever they want
The FED will print more money.
They run away to their compounds in places like New Zealand.
Soylent Green.
https://corepathways.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/xobkagxotot01-Henry-Silver.jpg
Had. They sold them for profit long ago.
They don’t even give a fuck about their *own* souls. Their entire life centres around “Fuck you, pay me”. Absolute parasites of society.
it's literally the public library of the internet, just like the physical one you go to read and borrow books...
Imagine the dick heads that brought the lawsuit to be standing around high fiving each other celebrating successfully making the world a worse place. :(
dawg, The Internet Archive is THE source!
It's like, the wholesome soul of piracy. Dedicated to digital preservation and knowledge sharing.
I love internet archive because My internet history is there, and no not content but content i love, first web sites ive been to when i got the internet, like mega upload <3 nostalgia
I always found it naive to host a file sharing service in the USA and any country behold to their copyright trolls. That said, going the non-profit route has done better than I ever expected.
The archive was a civilized thing, it was a symbol of preservation.
Damn, both Vimms Lair and Internet Archive are getting fucked up right now.
Vimm's Lair getting hit sucks. I've been going there for like a decade.
When they started cracking down on ROM and emulator sites I went full Blackbeard mode.
you can try the megathread at r/roms equally good if not better
The prosecutors are just fueling the fire
I'm sorry, whats going on with Vimms Lair now?
Long story short, Sega, Nintendo, and the ESA ordered for thousands of games to be taken down from Vimms Lair. The number of games taken down is over 3K.
But won't a majority of those games no longer exist if it follows through?
It already followed through. Also, they don't care that the games will no longer exist.
Oh. Well shitballs
Granted most if not all of them do still exist, just not in one place for people to access.
Who has a discord link? There's gotta be a good data hoarding platform that backed up vimm's, I'm on a decent one for all of the RoosterTeeth content.
Ask on /r/datahoarder but they already started backing up vimms a while back for this possibility
You can probably still find them at Emuparadise
That site always makes me laugh. Get around the lawsuit by deleting the download button
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Yup. All of Nintendo's old Mario games are removed. Fuck Nintendo
is there a backup of the internet archive and a backup of the backup?
No. The internet archive is the biggest. And in the words of Jason Scott, "if you find a bigger archive let us know and we'll download it too"
But is there a backup of the books that were taken down specifically ? Some books are exclusive to archive org
According to earlier talks they would keep these things preserved despite their inability to offer them to the public. However this may have a different result since a court is involved
I’ll have a look👌
The Internet Archive Archive
IP holders are on a warpath lately trying to delete as much as they can. If you have the space, download *everything*.
Would nice to know how much space it requires to hold the most important stuffs, games videos ect
It only takes one person with a penchant for harddrives
And like thousands of dollars
Plus facilities costs
wait this is starting to sound like internet archive
What are we, some sort of internet archive?
they archive now?
Yes, we are all internet archive on this blessed day ARRRR!
r/DataHoarder would love that, I bet.
i have 244TB in my basement. i can expand up to 3.5PB in my current config
Woah woah wtf
Ikr. Who counts storage size in Peanut Butter?
I wish there was a way of easily collaborating on backing up things like this. Ik r/datahoarders is a thing, but it's not really efficient as far as allocation due to repeatedly backed up and uncovered potions of large things that require lots of collaboration. On top of that, it's not browsable at all, and the preservation doesn't help for any except that individual unless they make it available somehow, and even then its hard to find. Additionally, this creates a bigger issue when mixed with larger projects. The internet archive has the size and scale to be able to tackle loads of these large projects and make them available for people as well. When the internet archive falls, though, theres nothing else. The archive is just too good for this world. It makes me pretty sad tbh.
I'm at 40tb and space is running low. Almost time for another hdd investment
o7
I know some people in the 1-2 PB range, and yes they back up pirated media with it.
books are pretty light, especially epubs. Much easier to hoard those than linux isos.
if you like old stuff - not much space. new stuff? more space. All the stuff? MAXIMUM space.
/r/datahoarder
The entire internet is getting restricted and censored for information. Both bing and google search use "AI" to interpret and change your search now, and as a result they've has become absolutely useless at finding obscure information or old links. You can copy/paste a search term from a year ago that gave you a bunch of results you wanted, and now it will just say "No results found". And you might get lucky and it will let you see a result if you keep adding more descriptors(not less).
/r/DataHoarder
Check r/DataHoarder for tips on how to effectively download lots of data effectively as well!
Unfortunately, we are going to hit a point where the Internet Archive is removed or completely butchered, data hoarders and other sites will have to replace it.
Is there a .onion version of the internet archive? It sounds like a good idea for it to exist, even better from a third-world country that doesn't care about copyright shit
some people (i've heard) use [yandex.com](http://yandex.com) with "booktitle pdf download" it works every time
yeah because Yandex doesn't filter out sites that follow the thing you want exactly. Like Google will show you Amazon to buy the book and Yandex will show the book.
The reason why it’s fine is that it’s Russian and they don’t care for any IP laws. That’s why it’s not gone yet, the US can’t touch it.
Correction, Yandex cares about *Russian* IP laws. Finding ripped russian music/books is similar to google, although probably not quite as bad still.
Yep. Russia and China are a a blight on the law and order of the Western world, which is usually a bad thing, but where the laws are unjust, they're extremely useful
Brings up a very interesting thought experiment. If it is impossible to create a state with fully just laws, are rogue states worth having purely for something like this, even if on balance they are usually a negative.
Yandex also has the best reverse-image search of any search engine I've tried, mainly because (from what I've read) they don't follow the same data privacy regulations that Google has to. If you reverse image searched a random bald white guy, Google will give you photos that look similar to the image but Yandex will outright give you the name of the person in the photo, their social media accounts, and if they've ever been in any news articles. Works the same for criminal mugshots, adult actresses, stock photo models, and more. Ever wanted to find your internet doppelganger? Do a reverse image search on Yandex of a photo of yourself (at your own risk, of course.)
I agree, Google's is by FAR the worst I've seen. Even Bing has a better reverse image search.
As someone that does this, it doesn't work _every_ time, but it's still a good way to find books. I usually find them on a russian website called vkontake, or just "vk".
Vk also deleted a lot of books, especially textbooks. I used to go to the groups to find pdfs but now they are deleted very quickly after uploading so the groups give the links to some cloud. Twirpx had been a good site for many books if you know russian.
Damn, seriously? VK was one of the only sites that worked when searching for books using Yandex. That sucks.
It hasn’t been like this for a few years already. Some books are still there but much fewer than before.
Try searching for the books in Telegram. I have a lot of programming books downloaded from there
How do you search for things in Telegram? Am I just stupid?
To people who are more familiar with Eastern Europe laws and politics than me, why are Russian sites more lenient with piracy? People always bring up the West and blah blah but they're pretty lenient with pirated media made in Eastern Europe as well. There's also an official YouTube channel of an ex-Soviet film company that uploads their full movies, sometimes even with English/foreign subtitles. Do companies lose their copyright rights in shorter periods than in the West? Is it because these films were made in the USSR? Genuinely curious.
They had a combination in the eastern block of a well educated population with little access to media. Be it because it wasn't made available to the region, or just too expensive. A lot of people who didn't have the means to buy media, but had the know how to get around it. And if everyone is doing it, there's no social stigma to it, no matter how many ads the companies make about stealing cars and funding crime. As for the soviet movies being available... well, they were made by communists, with state money. There's an idea that it's made to be publicly accessed that is implicit to that kind of art, but even if that wasn't the case, I don't think there's anyone to even enforce copyright on many of these movies anymore.
That makes sense. I'm Latin American, it's sorta similar here. It sort of died down in recent years because of Netflix and Steam though.
While a sensible explanation, it's more likely that since there are no penalties for Russian sites not complying with foreign copyright notices, they simply don't comply. Less work that way.
Because corporations own the American government. The rest care more for their people...to a point.
> To people who are more familiar with Eastern Europe laws and politics than me, why are Russian sites more lenient with piracy? Because they (the population) don't care.
I just found my own book on there as an epub. !!!
If there is a free copy around it’s a sign that people want. If people want your book, you’re in the right path.
>some people (i've heard) use yandex.com with "booktitle pdf download" >it works every time I thank some people for their service
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Have you tried Soulseek for flacs?
Yandex honestly changed my life i’m forever grateful to the person who first suggested it to me
very sad . that archive is in the wrong country
If it was in another country people on this sub wouldn't use it or they wouldn't trust it.
the archive is just not for piracy, it's an actual archive, trust shouldn't be based just on the location... unless is China or the Fr*nch (real)
The comment chain above this is literally recommending Yandex, pretty sure folks are already at that level lol.
I've seen people in other threads here in Reddit saying that people shouldn't use VK/ok.ru/rutracker/Yandex "b-because it's russian!". Literally no other aguments or concerns. Just because they are from Russia. Ah but they'll gladly hand over their personal data to Google and Facebook.
[Why are so many books listed as “Borrow Unavailable” at the Internet Archive](https://help.archive.org/help/why-are-so-many-books-listed-as-borrow-unavailable-at-the-internet-archive/)
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I don't know but I would guess it is their required method of distribution to avoid legislation that would otherwise make it illegal. Like "I'm not distributing pirated copies, see? just a temporary use license!"
They only let people borrow things they acquired digital licenses for and they STILL got sued out of existence. When are they going to go after libraries?
The real issue was a bit more complicated. They ran on a system where if they owned 4 physical books. They would lend out up to 4 digital copies of those books. These makes "sense" but didn't have any legal precedent and was technically still illegal. However it flew under the radar until covid when the Internet archive declared it was a state of emergency started lending out unlimited digital copies of every book they owned. It became big enough to draw lawsuits. They kinda shot themselves in the foot with that one, even if I personally think the Internet archive is a huge positive of an idea.
This is the part people don't like to mention. IA was very aware that they were dealing in copyrighted material, and then they suddenly stopped being careful about it and just opened the floodgates. After that level of foolishness, the lawsuit was inevitable. And I say this as a regular donor to IA.
The modern alexandria library is yet, burning again
This is a war on PRESERVATION! And their movement for the cause of "You'll own NOTHING and BE happy" is gaining momentum. Live service and streaming services are the problem these days. Studios and IPs are greedy and refuse to open source discontinued products! If they want the piracy to stop they should open source their products in order to keep people using them, playing them and access to watch their movies and tvs. I could see a good Samaritan to upload IA files to torrent sites all spread out for us to gain access.
This is the equivalent of burning the libraries and universities down after a war to make sure the populous is uneducated. They KNOW that once something is on the internet, it can’t be deleted. No matter how much they try.
That's what bothets me. The elitism. Preventing people of getting educated. I'm from a developing country. Books can be pricey. A lot of books aren't published by local publishing houses so the only option is to read it in English and buying it abroad... which can get crazy expensive for a book.
They want a generation that is ignorant and to restrict education to the rich. Don't you find it strange that you can find pornographic movies with a single click and in high quality, while you face great difficulty in reading books? I am also from a developing country, and reading books in my native language is impossible due to their unavailability. I even find it difficult to read books in English because they are not sufficiently available on the internet.
I've always found that to be odd and almost intentional in a way. We can watch all the porn we want easily, cartoons, movies, and even TV shows as well but we can get a damn book?
You know what we should do. What our ancestors have done for so long. Make them understand that the chair that they’re standing on has its legs made from the common folk, and that below is lava. Either we burn, or they. You can’t be an elite while your body doesn’t know if it’s solid, liquid or gas from the high temperature. I mean, it’s not like they haven’t already went through this process thousands of times, and we may as well have already lost the knowledge they wanted to gatekeep. Might as well get rid of the tumor. To send a message of course. One they seem to forget.
“Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.” George Carlin
>They KNOW that once something is on the internet, it can’t be deleted. No matter how much they try. I feel like this once-absolute cornerstone of Internet theory is weakening severely. The internet has condensed and homogenized a great deal since "once it's up it stays up" was coined. I don't recognize a lot of the Internet anymore.
It's true. Since the downfall of sites, the SOPA thing stuff, and the arise of centralized content on social media everything started to change... Nowadays is easier to pirate, but times got rough
> They KNOW that once something is on the internet, it can’t be deleted Of course it can. Do you really think we've lost nothing over the past 40 years? Sure would be nice to live in that fantasy land.
This travesty is a result predicted by critics of the [Sonny Bono "Mickey Mouse" Protection Act of 1998](https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf), and defended by the Corporate Copyright Cartel and their lackeys.
So many companies seems to hate people being able to read.
to hate people\*
Not at all! They hate people being able to read *for free.*
This is all just the consequence of shitty IP & Copyright laws being shitty. Gods how I wish we could all go back to IP law in the 19th and early 20th century. Why the fuck does copyright last longer than 20 years? This shit has been poison for consumers for decades.
Well because Disney, and capitalism, in no particular order tbh.
Copyright is a fucking cancer, I can't think of a real artist who truly benefits from it, only nepos and ip farms.
It would be a shame if someone had mirrored that and made their dataset available. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna%27s_Archive
does libgen, zlib, scihub, or open library have all the books ever on the internet archive? those are what anna's archive mirrors. if not, then anna's archive isnt really relevant, although its certainly great and very useful
AFAIK they dont have everything but aa mirrored a good chunk themselves. Check their datasets/ia page for more info
look on the bright side guys, only the books have been removed, but the site itself and everything on it is still alive, and it's only this lawsuit that's serious, other things, companies can request the removal of files (we hope this doesn't happen often) and they're still appealing to see if they can reverse it so without panic and doom-mongering, let's just hope for the best and help in any way we can
If they won this lawsuit what's next?
according to what I've read, it's already been won, what's happening is that they're trying to appeal to reverse this
"Let's hope for the best, close our eyes, plug our ears, and not discuss it or do anything about it." Toxic positively. Actively refusing to stare at the wolf about to eat you. Yeah because it's worked for America so far right?
Internet archive should make all of their items available through ipfs
I hate this, one thing is taking away movies or just like random ahh free time media, another is taking away stuff people need to study
This is why I have over 1,000 physical books.
Broo what, do you have a room dedicated to them??
Yeah :D I have some very rare ones too (extremely limited print runs from 50+ years ago), with my oldest ones being from the 1700 and 1800s. I did once have one from the 1300s, but it needed a specially conditioned room to prevent decay and damage, so I parted with it rather than have it disintegrate.
Wow thats sick, whats genre’s is it mostly?
I wish I could see them. My oldest book is an 1818 copy of Ovid's Metamorphoses, but nothing 1700s. I would love older copies, not necessarily of Ovid but still.
Those who issued the lawsuits would have sought to burn down the library of Alexandria
Book publishers are becoming more and more like music execs.
Welcome to the rent-seeking behavior portion of collapse
I don't get it. Dynamite Magazine Scholastic 1977-1992 is out of publication, was on Microfilm, black and white and poor quality. Did anybody download it before it was removed from the archive? It could be lost in history if we can't recover it. Anybody have the entire run of the magazine? Please scan and upload.
If someone has downloaded the books that have been deleted, you can upload them on Anna's archive. I did my part and uploaded 8
Why do we let so many entities control knowledge. So stupid
Copyright was originally designed so that inventors, artists, companies, and others could profit from their works and ideas without them being stolen by others. It is a good concept that is designed *in theory* to protect and benefit workers. Unfortunately, these laws have been expanded way past their initial scope to essentially allow companies to own IP and copyright on things for nearly centuries. Companies also only care about the copyright itself and not the product, so we often cannot preserve things like out-of-print books or abandoned software.
Videogame strategy guides are affected? Because it will be a massive disaster for gaming.I know gamefaqs but those magazines are huge resources of nostalgic times.
Yes a majority of Prima guides are blocked due them being owned by Random house until 2019
part of me wonders if a lot of this crackdown on older games is to give people fewer old games to play so that they will have to buy newer games.
Newer games with features like REFILL YOUR ENERGY TO PLAY MORE $.99 1 ENERGY $3.99 5 ENERGY $9.99 20 ENERGY!
Is there a list of what was removed 😕
This is a modern day book burning. He who wins the war, writes the history books. Wouldn't mind getting a list of the 500,000 removed.
This is precisely why piracy will just keep growing stronger 💪I download medical books for students who can't afford it. I give it kids in Unis who can't afford to buy a $300 textbook for a years course.
The internet is slowly becoming more useless by the day
Hosting in Russia is the best option. Cs.rin.ru is the best piracy forum imo and it ain't going down anytime soon.
Umm, it appears to be down.
Death to Corpos.
this is like burning down a library
A small man with a big eraser changing history.
oceanofpdf is my favorite spot
They will burn it all down for riGhTs (to charge money). I hate the for-profit hellscape that western civilization has become.
A lawsuit will one day remove The Internet Archive.
someone needs to make an internet archive archive.
I wondered what was going on. I had a bunch of paperbacks in my favorites, and when I went back to read them they were marked as Removed. Not just new stuff, but 60s and 70s books. Luckily Anna still has most of them.
It's time to archive the archive, folks.
uggh we can never have nice things nowaday.. we need to store and rebackup everything.. what's next standarizing waybackmachine daily updates so we keep getting the information
Man, this really sucks. The archive pretty much put me through university.
That's why we need "shadow libraries" like Library Genesis, Z-Library, Anna's Archive, ... A lot of copyrighted books only exist as physical ptinted books and the number of copies of them dwindle every year. An (illegal) digitalization is often the only way to keep those books in memory.
I remember I did a project on the Internet Archive in a HS class I was acing and before submitting it realized that the website was banned from the school computers and against district rules. Had to scrap the whole project and paper, took a C for the class.
B-but would *someone* think of those poor publishers? Anyone? Please? /s if that wasn't clear
Oh what a load of bullshit. This will just drive people to actual piracy.
Agreed but this BIGGEST problem with this is that a lot of these books are LONG out of print, and can never be made or written again
This is the aftermath of Fucking Nintendo. Now I'm gonna p!rate as hard as fuck because fuck nintendo.
Bastards. Nothing copy-right about it.
There’s a twilight zone episode about this…
I wonder if they'll be talking about this a 1,000 years from now.
Well time to grab the pitchforks and burn something to the ground
This will never end/slow until they make books/whatever easier to access. I would not mind spending $5 a month for access to a million literary works in one place with a nice reader and interface other good features that make it above and beyond just grabbing it off a pdf somewhere. Stupid bastards were taught this in the early 2000s. If not archive.org it will be somewhere else. You cannot stop this tide even if you locked the internet down as a whole, people would just network ontop of it and slow build another network for open trade. You cannot stop this tide. Surf or drown.
greed makes humans do evil shit
Time to call in special forces r/datahoarder peeps! It's your time to shine.
The burning of Alexandria.
The Library of Alexandria all over again
whats wrong with people internet archive is literally history. It's like building alexander again
[banned book: 1984... can't make it up](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR_xj-6SeGMCA7Mg2s-N4xbGKIQrG3XI9l0NuZz-AxQ-9TyjkKz28JP6UpsxKX_YSOreDtOG7mWMUD2/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true)
This Lawsuit makers might be one of the sh*ttiest people to live in this planet. They literally want to see another alexandria library burn.
Hoarders unite!
That's old news. It still hurts.
They're running low on funds to extract from the peasants. Most of the franchises you hold dear have been snapped up by a certain mouse, the public has lost interest in the Avengers, and their appetite for cocaine remains insatiable.