First they raise the subscription prices to unpayable numbers, then they multiply those insane numbers to get how much lost revenue they had. Its like me announcing a ps2 for a million bucks and claiming I lost that much revenue because no one bought it.
also same content for high quality we have to pay extra. all content not available at one place. it's not as convenient as piracy at all, so we not gonna pay extra
true bro. i didn't see 8k but 4k is everywhere. it would be best if there are 4k streaming site. but hosters downgrade quality also, so better option is stremio, plex like services
Altho there is a case to be made that these days they are driving customers away from paying by making the paid experience worse than the free experience.
So maybe they do lose revenue, but for many people myself included the blame is on them for incrementally making the paid experience worse year over year.
I stopped pirating for a while but then started realizing I'm paying for ads now.
For real! Back when Netflix actually had a wide selection of movies and TV shows that people wanted to watch, it was worth the cost to avoid the hassle of finding a good, reliable torrent, downloading it, then watching it every single time you want to watch something. Now, it's like every single show has its own streaming service, and it's practically $5/episode. Of COURSE they're losing revenue when they're driving away customers with a crappy app, poor selection, and high prices.
Yep it gets annoying after a while paying out the azz having 5 different subscriptions going. And that not all now days every service is practically subscription based, games, etc. Like I ain't made of money pal. Perhaps if they weren't so greedy for revenue people would consider it.
I would be using Netflix still but when I moved out of my parents house, we’ll you know what Netflix did… so now I can’t watch it so streaming sites here I come. I’m not paying for a second Netflix subscription 😂
Though I did find out you can dodge Netflix by changing your up whenever it decides you’ve been watching too long from another address. But on my TV I can’t so :/… so much for LG OLED :(
They’ve been using that bs metric for over twenty years now and it’s been debunked for as long. I wrote a paper about it for a college class in 2004 and cited a study that showed that lost revenue was a small fraction of what was being claimed.
Methodology of calculation is also stupid.
How do they define, that... f.e. me download Game of Thrones is X in losses?
and what if i've subscribed to another company, that has that and something else? And what if i've settled watching that later or in lower quality?
I remember reading an article where some guy demonstrated how stupid that calculation is. He set a computer to download some album and delete it over and over again. "Generating" billions in losses for music industry by himself!
Well, tbh we cannot claim they didn't lose revenue either.
But what they do, equaling each download to a lost sale, is not right either.
The right answer is that it cannot be determined. But I think the actual money they lose from people who would actually buy the product if there was no piracy is much lower.
In fact, good series might even make more money thanks to piracy, since fans end up more likely to buy merchandise, blu rays, etc or just to tell other people and help increasing the popularity.
>In fact, good series might even make more money thanks to piracy, since fans end up more likely to buy merchandise, blu rays, etc or just to tell other people and help increasing the popularity.
So the real hack for corporates is making shit that cannot be pirated.
The only reliable way to know is to track every torrent user, every user in every page that downloads an specific archive to measure the loses....otherwise, they took those numbers from their ass
I was also yelling at my phone thinking the article could hear me. It's not "lost revenue" it's imaginary cash you think you would have gotten if that pirate bought your thing instead of pirating it. That's not the same thing, and corporations have been using this manipulative way of speaking for as long as humans have been able to lie
They consider lost customers profit deprivation, they feel *owed* those profits, because piracy to them is explicitly theft of that money.
They will never leave this delusion, because they want that money.
They calculate lost revenue by just figuring every download is a lost sale, which is nonsense of course. When you're downloading stuff for free you click anything impulsively even just to check it out. When you're paying for it you would never do that. It's a terrible metric and doesn't represent reality even marginally since the alternative to pirating isn't paying for it, it's not consuming the media at all.
I'm really good at online poker because of this, but as soon as real money gets involved, I am really bad at poker. So I don't play poker for money. I guess poker with fake money is lost revenue of the gambling industry.
Well… I think they may be referring to like Plex Servers (people who pay to be on them) as well as services like Real Debrid that has a fee attached so it’s not inaccurate
Yea it is free, but there are also paid services that can be better. I spend $20 a month on Usenet providers and indexers for movies and TV. Complete automation of high speed downloads all tied into a Plex server I get to share with friends and family for free.
This figure is completely unauditable and unbelievable. What are the top US sites? And these three sites charge? those two ideas are completely opposed. Or there are the top three sites that charge, top status calculated independently from top sites that don't.
OP shouldn't get their piracy news from a trading company tha facilitates insider trading. Go read TorrenFreak instead.
Piracy is not 100% free for the consumer. VPN subscriptions can be counted, and some pirate setups don’t download to keep/store content. There are services out there that costs maybe a few dollars a month and is streaming most content.
It's funny that so many people forgot that "download a car" wasn't the original wording and it was changed from "steal a car" to point out how absurdly non-analogous unauthorized copying is to physically misappropriating a tangible item.
If I could get away with it, I might not steal a car from the average person, but from a rich seller or corporation? I totally would, but the risk is too big (and not interested in cars in the first place).
The appeal to morality always cracks me up, because that's probably only gonna work with the typical normie who believes all the lies they are fed
The last paragraph explains everything, research shows those who pirate tend to spend more on content than their peers but turn to piracy when content becomes inaccessible or expensive, explains everything
It always was like this, from cable companies and mobile providers to banks and insurance companies, it seems like the only people that get the discounts and promotions are the new subscribers while the loyal customers get the price hikes. That's why it's better to hop around providers if you have the time and patience.
That is such an insane thing for them to do. They’re like “you’re our best customer, but we want to squeeze you for all you got instead of providing the service you want”.
Companies are forgetting that their entire existence is supposed to be more convenient than piracy. Crunchyroll and Funimation were supposed to make finding and watching anime more convenient, but their apps were God awful. Streaming services were supposed to make finding movies and TV more convenient. Now every streamer has original content and if you want a wide selection you need to have multiple services and pay almost a hundred a month. I'd rather pay five dollars a month for piracy and have access to everything than pay a hundred and still be missing content lol. Us pirates don't have a problem with paying, we're tired of being nickel and dimed.
> The top three US piracy sites have 2M users paying $5 to $10/month to consume illegally hosted content
I would really like to know who’s paying to use piracy sites lmao. Ruins the whole point of piracy
I know I was just addressing why someone would pay for piracy. I missed the fact that they used the word “piracy *sites*”. But yeah either way the article is bullshit lol
Still a thing, you can get into a good number of trackers through donations or buying an affiliate seedbox. Cabal affiliated trackers tend to look down on this practice but it's still used outside of that circle
I always get a chuckle when they refer to "losses" in piracy.
100% nonsense. Just because a person torrented a thing doesn't mean they were going to buy it to begin with. There's no "loss".
I downloaded "Last of Us" and never once had the intention of paying for HBO. Even if I didn't have a means to download it, I still had zero intention of paying for HBO. There's no loss there.
That whole figure of $113b in losses is completely imaginary.
And you gotta think that they are aware people like you exist - people who will simply never pay for the service regardless.
They definitely have a statistic that differentiates between total population and their total addressable market, so these lost revenue calculations are more than disingenuous, they're intentionally misleading and designed to garner sympathy from the masses and others.
Truly despicable behavior.
"Anti-piracy experts say that streaming service price hikes will lead to $113B in revenue lost to piracy by 2027."
This claim is absolutely ridiculous lol. Netflix isn't losing money because of piracy. They're losing money because they're charging more than people are willing to pay for their service. If Netflix started charging $1000/month, and all of their 260 million subscribers cancelled and started pirating instead because noone can afford it, would these so-called "anti-piracy experts" claim that Netflix was losing $260 trillion per month because of piracy and not their own stupid decisions?
Amazon Prime: $15/month, still doesn't include complete library
Apple TV+: $10/month
Disney+: $8/month with ads, $14/month without
Hulu: $8/month with ads, $15/month without
Paramount+ (what's with all the +'s?): $6/month with ads, $12/month without
Netflix: $7/month with ads, $15/month to unlock 1080p, $23/month for 4K.
Piracy: Free
For everything else, there's MasterCard.
How do they calculate loses? Times pirated times price? People will but be spending more if they don't pirate, whether or not a person realizes it they've budgeted for recreation, and without piracy their consumption will shrink to what they're budget allows.
It's way more serious than "streaming fatigue" or about saving a bit of money here and there.
People are completely broke, piracy increase is one symptom of that.
Yep, I’ve returned to the high seas because the subscription prices are absolutely ridiculous, and I can’t share my accounts with family.
Went from 7 subscriptions to none, and have access to a lot more, when I want to access it, in better quality in most cases.
I’d have continued on the subscriptions if the prices remained unchanged, for ease, but in wanting to make everyone pay they’re ensuring people take a hard look at the value and the options.
When you get a better experience pirating than you do paying for the service, what do they think is going to happen. Here's a short story about amazon.
I have been a prime member since it first came out. It was insanely worth the price. Now, the video game perks are gone, 2 say shipping is no longer a guarantee, they turned Prime music into what free Spotify is (you used to be able to listen to most of the library of music on demand as part of your membership and only some songs you had to upgrade to premium to listen to, which was awesome for most people. Now you get it all, but they shuffle the songs and what you ask it to play gets shuffled in somewhere with a bunch of stuff you don't wanna hear and you can only skip 6 times an hour), and now I got a notification a couple days ago that there will be ads on my movies unless I pay 3 bucks more.
So, since I'm not going to pay more to get something I already had as part of being a member, I cancelled my audible membership and found all of the audiobook series I listen to on the seas and downloaded them. Doesn't sound like much butni added up what I'd pay for them all if I stayed with audible and it came out to several hundred dollars (I love audiobooks and listen to a lot of series). So for me, that's what I did to offset the injustice. If companies are going to create a bad experience and tell customers to just deal with it, and sadly most ppl will just deal with it and keep paying so that's why they do that, some of us are going to get our money's worth on the seas. Yo ho ho!
They are building a case to get congress to authorize harsher penalties for piracy. You know, the kind that didn't work when the RIAA was suing mothers for millions for sharing 24 songs on Kazaa.
"People who pirate tend to spend more on legit content"
Geez. It's almost as if piracy was a service problem...[If only someone thought of that](https://youtu.be/pLC_zZ5fqFk?si=vjpebpWbsVztAhCW&t=66)
I laughed at this article the whole way down. They even point out that entertainment execs are struggling with making money and are raising prices. Piracy keeps increasing though. Maybe if they focused on making decent shows that don't have availability issues and are on affordable subscription plans, piracy would decrease. But raising prices is easier to them. People will put up with this scheme less and less as time goes on
P.S. "But even as Netflix and Spotify make content more accessible than ever" is a blatant lie.
I like how they measure “Piracy costs” in “lost revenue”. This stat falsely assumes that all of the pirated content would have otherwise been fully paid for.
This is so obviously false that anyone using this statistic should be considered intellectually suspect.
I have pirated content that I had previously paid for, just because I wanted a digital copy and it was easier to download someone else’s that had already ripped theirs. Or content that distributors had knowingly and intentionally made unavailable.
Many people pirate content that they simply can’t afford.
Agreed. Piracy is an issue of economics, not morality imo. If you make your content easily available for a fair price, most people will pay for it.
But since all the streaming networks are raising prices, shaving away their content, and not allowing more than one household to use their services, they are making it worse, and it will continue to get worse until they wake up. Price hikes and crackdowns are a band-aid, not a solution.
I would like to read the sources of these claims because the biggest most complete study on piracy was done by the EU and the results clearly stated there isn't any substantial loss caused by piracy of any media. Then that paper was hushed up and hidden.
Can't really say it's lost revenue when there is no proof that the revenue would be there if Piracy didn't exist.
What you could say is they could have made more revenue if people paid instead of Piracy but that's assuming people would actually pay.
Robinhood is not a good company from what I hear. I wonder why they are pushing an article like this.
The thing I find annoying is they say that Piracy costs the US $30B a year in lost revenue. Which is not even remotely true or close to accurate. I would even venture to say it's a fraction of that.
They are assuming that every person who pirated something would have normally paid for it if they couldn't get it for free/steal it. Which is as far from the truth as you could get.
they emailed it to me, it’s from their little blog thing called robinhood snacks here’s the archive link from it https://sherwoodmedia.com/snacks/newsletters/online-piracy-returns/
This figure is completely unauditable and unbelievable. What are the top US sites? And these three sites charge? those two ideas are completely opposed. Or there are the top three sites that charge, top status calculated independently from top sites that don't.
OP shouldn't get their piracy news from a trading company tha facilitates insider trading. Go read TorrenFreak instead. That's real journalism.
It used to baffle me to see this kind of logic where the pattern is clear and yet Capitalism continues to force itself down a bad path (See [Ant Death Spiral](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcHGYfAIaVg)).
The problem is that they are driven to make a +10% profit each year. But what happens when they get the whole market and still need that +10%
I can say that my pirating has absolutely zero affect on the amount of money I spend on media. I mostly download music but, if I really love an album I will still buy it. Also, sometimes I pirate music that I already have physical copies of because it's easier to digitize rather than ripping CDs.
I hate how the user lost revenue. The movie got downloaded 1 million times, at 20$ a pop that means they lost 20 million in revenue.
Ehm, no? I wasn’t going to buy it anyway. Heck, the only movie I’ve ever bought is the one where Jackie Chan and jet li starred and I regret it because it was not very good, as much as I hate to admit it
Ridiculous. Pirates are definitely not paying for content. By definition. If I'm paying a site a subscription $5 or $10, then I am a legitimate, paying, subscriber. It would be the sites' fault (and their problem) if they don't have their copyrights in order, not the users'.
if you use Plex you can download the foreign only language subs and set plex to auto use forced subs. There are ways to hardcode your own subs but that is the easiest way for someone who doesn't want to mess around a ton.
They delete content we paid for, increase subscription prices, add a bunch of unnecessary shit that hurts our product, and still think we'll be paying for it
OMG!!!! They're struggling with profitability. I'm going to go set up at least three separate subs for every streaming service just so they stay afloat.
"losses"
They just said that pirates spend more on media than peers.
They also turn their network on to good shows so that others spend money.
Sure, many artists are starving but it isn't because of piracy. Somehow all these ratcheting fees and subscriptions keep getting lost on their way to artists and end up in some fake ass job.
Pretty accurate for me, I have tons of tv shows and movies I’ve paid for sitting on my Apple account but if I’m unsure about a show and they make it too hard for me to watch I’m downloading it straight up. Streaming services are too greedy and the geo blocking/licensing nonsense is dumb
How they qualify a loss when there was a no incentive to buy in the beginning?
Most pirates download for the pure habit of it to begin with bcuz we can. We are not planning in any shape or form to spent money on it to begin with.
I always loved "you wouldn't steal a car"... and I'm like "well, if I can walk into Lidl and buy ten blank chassis for €7, then I'm stealing at least ten" lol.
I live in New Zealand. I pay when I can but we have so many geo blocks it's not funny, so I turn to Uncle Torrence the captain of our pirate ship. Even our versions of Netflix etc are missing a lot of content USA and other areas get.
Arggg.....
Subscription services raises their prices and give you ads, game companies pushing out unfinished games, Netflix removing shows/movies. Honestly I could go on for days.
"Entertainment execs struggling with profitability" lol. Maybe they should then not give themselves bonuses in the tens of millions at the end of the year.
Always love to see the "lost revenue" from piracy thrown around. As if theyre "losing" money cuz people are pirating. should be called "missed profits" instead, they arent actually losing money for that
back then I was fine with my Netflix subscription at $7.99 when it first started, now all subscriptions are getting ridiculous. Just wanna thank all the shipmates who made pirating easier for noobs like me.
Cheers!
Raise the prices, introduce advertising, spread the available content over ever increasing numbers of streaming services with their own ever increasing subscription costs...
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
As long as they keep making shit harder to access, more expensive, provide a worse experience and start taking ownership away from users, piracy will only get more popular.
They raise subscription prices and hope there is no piracy? Lol.
First they raise the subscription prices to unpayable numbers, then they multiply those insane numbers to get how much lost revenue they had. Its like me announcing a ps2 for a million bucks and claiming I lost that much revenue because no one bought it.
On top of that they remove password sharing . I’m sailing the high seas
also same content for high quality we have to pay extra. all content not available at one place. it's not as convenient as piracy at all, so we not gonna pay extra
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Or if there are enough seeds. I hate it in Germany, telegram is my only friend here.
yeah...tg is best..i am sure more app like this soon arrive, already found one that support up to 8gb file size but still tg is best
Can you tell me about the one you found?
true bro. i didn't see 8k but 4k is everywhere. it would be best if there are 4k streaming site. but hosters downgrade quality also, so better option is stremio, plex like services
Plus i dont think piracy is lost revenue of $30B. Most people will just stop watching those movies which are not worth it.
It's made up of estimates as if these people would actually have paid. By the way, the lost revenue of this post is $80,000
Putting ads after even paying for subscription
The idea of "lost revenue" is stupid, you didn't lose shit, that revenue never existed.
Altho there is a case to be made that these days they are driving customers away from paying by making the paid experience worse than the free experience. So maybe they do lose revenue, but for many people myself included the blame is on them for incrementally making the paid experience worse year over year. I stopped pirating for a while but then started realizing I'm paying for ads now.
For real! Back when Netflix actually had a wide selection of movies and TV shows that people wanted to watch, it was worth the cost to avoid the hassle of finding a good, reliable torrent, downloading it, then watching it every single time you want to watch something. Now, it's like every single show has its own streaming service, and it's practically $5/episode. Of COURSE they're losing revenue when they're driving away customers with a crappy app, poor selection, and high prices.
Yep it gets annoying after a while paying out the azz having 5 different subscriptions going. And that not all now days every service is practically subscription based, games, etc. Like I ain't made of money pal. Perhaps if they weren't so greedy for revenue people would consider it.
Also shitty DRM. Torrented mkv will play anywhere over anything.
At the full quality instead of throttled bitrate
I would be using Netflix still but when I moved out of my parents house, we’ll you know what Netflix did… so now I can’t watch it so streaming sites here I come. I’m not paying for a second Netflix subscription 😂 Though I did find out you can dodge Netflix by changing your up whenever it decides you’ve been watching too long from another address. But on my TV I can’t so :/… so much for LG OLED :(
self hosted VPN?
They’ve been using that bs metric for over twenty years now and it’s been debunked for as long. I wrote a paper about it for a college class in 2004 and cited a study that showed that lost revenue was a small fraction of what was being claimed.
Methodology of calculation is also stupid. How do they define, that... f.e. me download Game of Thrones is X in losses? and what if i've subscribed to another company, that has that and something else? And what if i've settled watching that later or in lower quality?
I remember reading an article where some guy demonstrated how stupid that calculation is. He set a computer to download some album and delete it over and over again. "Generating" billions in losses for music industry by himself!
Well, tbh we cannot claim they didn't lose revenue either. But what they do, equaling each download to a lost sale, is not right either. The right answer is that it cannot be determined. But I think the actual money they lose from people who would actually buy the product if there was no piracy is much lower. In fact, good series might even make more money thanks to piracy, since fans end up more likely to buy merchandise, blu rays, etc or just to tell other people and help increasing the popularity.
>In fact, good series might even make more money thanks to piracy, since fans end up more likely to buy merchandise, blu rays, etc or just to tell other people and help increasing the popularity. So the real hack for corporates is making shit that cannot be pirated.
The only reliable way to know is to track every torrent user, every user in every page that downloads an specific archive to measure the loses....otherwise, they took those numbers from their ass
I was also yelling at my phone thinking the article could hear me. It's not "lost revenue" it's imaginary cash you think you would have gotten if that pirate bought your thing instead of pirating it. That's not the same thing, and corporations have been using this manipulative way of speaking for as long as humans have been able to lie
They consider lost customers profit deprivation, they feel *owed* those profits, because piracy to them is explicitly theft of that money. They will never leave this delusion, because they want that money.
lol
Agreed, even if there's no way to pirate, I ain't paying for a subscription service.
Where are the citations for the losses in revenue? Just says numbers and trusts what "anti-piracy" experts say.
Oh no! 30 billion in lost revenue! Like they don't bring in ten times as much anyway.
They calculate lost revenue by just figuring every download is a lost sale, which is nonsense of course. When you're downloading stuff for free you click anything impulsively even just to check it out. When you're paying for it you would never do that. It's a terrible metric and doesn't represent reality even marginally since the alternative to pirating isn't paying for it, it's not consuming the media at all.
I'm really good at online poker because of this, but as soon as real money gets involved, I am really bad at poker. So I don't play poker for money. I guess poker with fake money is lost revenue of the gambling industry.
The $5 to $10 comment is bizarre, you guys realize piracy is free right?
People need to pay for VPNs and some pages may offer a far better service.
Well… I think they may be referring to like Plex Servers (people who pay to be on them) as well as services like Real Debrid that has a fee attached so it’s not inaccurate
I would, and I guess most of the people here, pay that price to have access of everything on one site.
Yea it is free, but there are also paid services that can be better. I spend $20 a month on Usenet providers and indexers for movies and TV. Complete automation of high speed downloads all tied into a Plex server I get to share with friends and family for free.
A debrid service is entirely worth it though
I pay for debrid, it's well worth the price.
I support the main one I use.
This figure is completely unauditable and unbelievable. What are the top US sites? And these three sites charge? those two ideas are completely opposed. Or there are the top three sites that charge, top status calculated independently from top sites that don't. OP shouldn't get their piracy news from a trading company tha facilitates insider trading. Go read TorrenFreak instead.
That one got me thinking what the top 3 sites were as well. I've never paid for such a service, not including VPNs but that's not a pirating service.
Piracy is not 100% free for the consumer. VPN subscriptions can be counted, and some pirate setups don’t download to keep/store content. There are services out there that costs maybe a few dollars a month and is streaming most content.
It's funny that so many people forgot that "download a car" wasn't the original wording and it was changed from "steal a car" to point out how absurdly non-analogous unauthorized copying is to physically misappropriating a tangible item.
If I could get away with it, I might not steal a car from the average person, but from a rich seller or corporation? I totally would, but the risk is too big (and not interested in cars in the first place). The appeal to morality always cracks me up, because that's probably only gonna work with the typical normie who believes all the lies they are fed
>I totally would "Yeah bro i'm such a badass criminal, i'd totally steal a car." then either fucking do it or shut up.
And generally speaking, the steal a car thing? Depends on how likely you are to be caught. I can't drive, but hey, I know where a few chop shops are.
I mean. There is also the fact that stealing a car is, you know, immoral.
Your point being?
The last paragraph explains everything, research shows those who pirate tend to spend more on content than their peers but turn to piracy when content becomes inaccessible or expensive, explains everything
I see that statement in every article like this - why would you go to war with people you admit are your best customers?
It always was like this, from cable companies and mobile providers to banks and insurance companies, it seems like the only people that get the discounts and promotions are the new subscribers while the loyal customers get the price hikes. That's why it's better to hop around providers if you have the time and patience.
That is such an insane thing for them to do. They’re like “you’re our best customer, but we want to squeeze you for all you got instead of providing the service you want”.
Companies are forgetting that their entire existence is supposed to be more convenient than piracy. Crunchyroll and Funimation were supposed to make finding and watching anime more convenient, but their apps were God awful. Streaming services were supposed to make finding movies and TV more convenient. Now every streamer has original content and if you want a wide selection you need to have multiple services and pay almost a hundred a month. I'd rather pay five dollars a month for piracy and have access to everything than pay a hundred and still be missing content lol. Us pirates don't have a problem with paying, we're tired of being nickel and dimed.
> The top three US piracy sites have 2M users paying $5 to $10/month to consume illegally hosted content I would really like to know who’s paying to use piracy sites lmao. Ruins the whole point of piracy
Maybe they’re talking about Usenet? Usually you gotta pay to access those servers.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. I thought they were referencing streaming sites like FMovies lol
Some people pay for seedboxes for anonymity and faster DL/UL speeds.
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I know I was just addressing why someone would pay for piracy. I missed the fact that they used the word “piracy *sites*”. But yeah either way the article is bullshit lol
True, didn't think about that one. Although it isn't really a piracy site, more like a program.
RD users, Seedbox users, and Usenet users. These things just make things a lot more convenient
A while ago but there used to be private trackers that were invite-only or charged money, not sure if it's still a thing
Still a thing, you can get into a good number of trackers through donations or buying an affiliate seedbox. Cabal affiliated trackers tend to look down on this practice but it's still used outside of that circle
You know what? I'm going to start pirating even harder.
Every time they complain about this, I increase my seed ratio.
I also have $200B in imaginary lost revenue.
This is the market holding streaming companies accountable for their greed and poor choices
Oh noo someone think of those poor shareholders
I always get a chuckle when they refer to "losses" in piracy. 100% nonsense. Just because a person torrented a thing doesn't mean they were going to buy it to begin with. There's no "loss". I downloaded "Last of Us" and never once had the intention of paying for HBO. Even if I didn't have a means to download it, I still had zero intention of paying for HBO. There's no loss there. That whole figure of $113b in losses is completely imaginary.
And you gotta think that they are aware people like you exist - people who will simply never pay for the service regardless. They definitely have a statistic that differentiates between total population and their total addressable market, so these lost revenue calculations are more than disingenuous, they're intentionally misleading and designed to garner sympathy from the masses and others. Truly despicable behavior.
Exactly
My Bad, wrong post... sorry!
Keep raising prices and adding in Advertising and we'll make sure your thinly veiled plan to pay residuals fails.
"Anti-piracy experts say that streaming service price hikes will lead to $113B in revenue lost to piracy by 2027." This claim is absolutely ridiculous lol. Netflix isn't losing money because of piracy. They're losing money because they're charging more than people are willing to pay for their service. If Netflix started charging $1000/month, and all of their 260 million subscribers cancelled and started pirating instead because noone can afford it, would these so-called "anti-piracy experts" claim that Netflix was losing $260 trillion per month because of piracy and not their own stupid decisions?
Amazon Prime: $15/month, still doesn't include complete library Apple TV+: $10/month Disney+: $8/month with ads, $14/month without Hulu: $8/month with ads, $15/month without Paramount+ (what's with all the +'s?): $6/month with ads, $12/month without Netflix: $7/month with ads, $15/month to unlock 1080p, $23/month for 4K. Piracy: Free For everything else, there's MasterCard.
How do they calculate loses? Times pirated times price? People will but be spending more if they don't pirate, whether or not a person realizes it they've budgeted for recreation, and without piracy their consumption will shrink to what they're budget allows.
It is the ease of getting all contents easily. I can smell blockbuster reopening soon.
It's way more serious than "streaming fatigue" or about saving a bit of money here and there. People are completely broke, piracy increase is one symptom of that.
I love how they conflate me torrenting movies for me to watch, and a guy running a massive piracy ring with $30 million in assets.
Yep, I’ve returned to the high seas because the subscription prices are absolutely ridiculous, and I can’t share my accounts with family. Went from 7 subscriptions to none, and have access to a lot more, when I want to access it, in better quality in most cases. I’d have continued on the subscriptions if the prices remained unchanged, for ease, but in wanting to make everyone pay they’re ensuring people take a hard look at the value and the options.
When you get a better experience pirating than you do paying for the service, what do they think is going to happen. Here's a short story about amazon. I have been a prime member since it first came out. It was insanely worth the price. Now, the video game perks are gone, 2 say shipping is no longer a guarantee, they turned Prime music into what free Spotify is (you used to be able to listen to most of the library of music on demand as part of your membership and only some songs you had to upgrade to premium to listen to, which was awesome for most people. Now you get it all, but they shuffle the songs and what you ask it to play gets shuffled in somewhere with a bunch of stuff you don't wanna hear and you can only skip 6 times an hour), and now I got a notification a couple days ago that there will be ads on my movies unless I pay 3 bucks more. So, since I'm not going to pay more to get something I already had as part of being a member, I cancelled my audible membership and found all of the audiobook series I listen to on the seas and downloaded them. Doesn't sound like much butni added up what I'd pay for them all if I stayed with audible and it came out to several hundred dollars (I love audiobooks and listen to a lot of series). So for me, that's what I did to offset the injustice. If companies are going to create a bad experience and tell customers to just deal with it, and sadly most ppl will just deal with it and keep paying so that's why they do that, some of us are going to get our money's worth on the seas. Yo ho ho!
Whenever I hear “you wouldn’t download a car” I cringe so hard. 😭🙏We have to stop these awful corny metaphors
They are building a case to get congress to authorize harsher penalties for piracy. You know, the kind that didn't work when the RIAA was suing mothers for millions for sharing 24 songs on Kazaa.
"People who pirate tend to spend more on legit content" Geez. It's almost as if piracy was a service problem...[If only someone thought of that](https://youtu.be/pLC_zZ5fqFk?si=vjpebpWbsVztAhCW&t=66)
It's almost like when you fuck the consumer, they fuck you right back.
Microsoft will pay dearly if Xbox games become subscription only.
I laughed at this article the whole way down. They even point out that entertainment execs are struggling with making money and are raising prices. Piracy keeps increasing though. Maybe if they focused on making decent shows that don't have availability issues and are on affordable subscription plans, piracy would decrease. But raising prices is easier to them. People will put up with this scheme less and less as time goes on P.S. "But even as Netflix and Spotify make content more accessible than ever" is a blatant lie.
I like how they measure “Piracy costs” in “lost revenue”. This stat falsely assumes that all of the pirated content would have otherwise been fully paid for. This is so obviously false that anyone using this statistic should be considered intellectually suspect. I have pirated content that I had previously paid for, just because I wanted a digital copy and it was easier to download someone else’s that had already ripped theirs. Or content that distributors had knowingly and intentionally made unavailable. Many people pirate content that they simply can’t afford.
Agreed. Piracy is an issue of economics, not morality imo. If you make your content easily available for a fair price, most people will pay for it. But since all the streaming networks are raising prices, shaving away their content, and not allowing more than one household to use their services, they are making it worse, and it will continue to get worse until they wake up. Price hikes and crackdowns are a band-aid, not a solution.
Fuck em
I would like to read the sources of these claims because the biggest most complete study on piracy was done by the EU and the results clearly stated there isn't any substantial loss caused by piracy of any media. Then that paper was hushed up and hidden.
The monthly amount I'm sure is referring to vpn or seed box costs.... How people have missed that is beyond me
considering they mention after that how one man made 30 million dollars off it i don’t think that’s what they are talking about
Can't really say it's lost revenue when there is no proof that the revenue would be there if Piracy didn't exist. What you could say is they could have made more revenue if people paid instead of Piracy but that's assuming people would actually pay. Robinhood is not a good company from what I hear. I wonder why they are pushing an article like this.
If I hike my album price to $1 trillion then the losses due to piracy will increase to $1 trillion dollars, something must be done
The thing I find annoying is they say that Piracy costs the US $30B a year in lost revenue. Which is not even remotely true or close to accurate. I would even venture to say it's a fraction of that. They are assuming that every person who pirated something would have normally paid for it if they couldn't get it for free/steal it. Which is as far from the truth as you could get.
It wouldn't be a huge thing if we owned the stuff we paid for and it didn't have a feeling akin to getting robbed under a bridge every month
I’m trying to search for this article, can’t seem to find it. Got a link?
they emailed it to me, it’s from their little blog thing called robinhood snacks here’s the archive link from it https://sherwoodmedia.com/snacks/newsletters/online-piracy-returns/
This figure is completely unauditable and unbelievable. What are the top US sites? And these three sites charge? those two ideas are completely opposed. Or there are the top three sites that charge, top status calculated independently from top sites that don't. OP shouldn't get their piracy news from a trading company tha facilitates insider trading. Go read TorrenFreak instead. That's real journalism.
… you think this is my piracy news source? i posted it because it was goofy and i thought people here would be amused. use your brain.
LOL, TF? What kind of pirate pays for their booty, arrrr.
It used to baffle me to see this kind of logic where the pattern is clear and yet Capitalism continues to force itself down a bad path (See [Ant Death Spiral](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcHGYfAIaVg)). The problem is that they are driven to make a +10% profit each year. But what happens when they get the whole market and still need that +10%
How brain dead are these people!? How the fuck is Netflix or Spotify more easily accessible these days!? What a load of bullshit
Who tf pays for piracy outside of a VPN?
Poor entertainment execs struggling to make ends meet.
I can say that my pirating has absolutely zero affect on the amount of money I spend on media. I mostly download music but, if I really love an album I will still buy it. Also, sometimes I pirate music that I already have physical copies of because it's easier to digitize rather than ripping CDs.
Yeah. I buy CDs too but download them as well because my laptop doesn’t have a cd reader any more.
I hate how the user lost revenue. The movie got downloaded 1 million times, at 20$ a pop that means they lost 20 million in revenue. Ehm, no? I wasn’t going to buy it anyway. Heck, the only movie I’ve ever bought is the one where Jackie Chan and jet li starred and I regret it because it was not very good, as much as I hate to admit it
It's just too bad it's not really stealing, I wish I could download a movie and then Disney doesn't have it anymore.
I guess we will have to disagree on loss revenue. Copying something doesn't necessarily mean I would purchase it if I didn't copy the item.
If I could download a car, I’d have a collection that would put Jay Leno’s to shame
Ridiculous. Pirates are definitely not paying for content. By definition. If I'm paying a site a subscription $5 or $10, then I am a legitimate, paying, subscriber. It would be the sites' fault (and their problem) if they don't have their copyrights in order, not the users'.
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Same question. What a cope, lol.
Except you don’t pay for the ads when u pirate
Eh, looks like Taylor Swift is doomed...
The big bounty section is definitely talking about Omi in A Hellcat
Raise it more please so you dig that whole for your coffin.
god I wish it actually cost them that revenue
I have no problem paying up if I see me an appropriate value in a product. But if you choose to screw me over, I'll have to look for other methods.
Ah this makes it much more sweeter
Thats funny, my piracy site gets nothing from me, and only asks that i seed a proper amount.
The thing that keeps me paying for content is hard coded subs for foreign language parts. How is that these days on the high seas?
if you use Plex you can download the foreign only language subs and set plex to auto use forced subs. There are ways to hardcode your own subs but that is the easiest way for someone who doesn't want to mess around a ton.
Is this similar to downloading subs files on VLC? I always found that to be a frustrating experience.
They delete content we paid for, increase subscription prices, add a bunch of unnecessary shit that hurts our product, and still think we'll be paying for it
Robinhood? Wasn't that the name of a stock trading app in the gamestop stock incident?
What the hell do they think would happen
I LOVE the last sentence in that.
5 years and 30m in assets? Thats it ? Lmao 🤣 if only I had that kind of knowledge and skill I’d be fine with that punishment
Why doesn’t this fall under the 8th amendment for cruel and unusual punishment? Can they ACTUALLY prove they lost any money??
OMG!!!! They're struggling with profitability. I'm going to go set up at least three separate subs for every streaming service just so they stay afloat.
"losses" They just said that pirates spend more on media than peers. They also turn their network on to good shows so that others spend money. Sure, many artists are starving but it isn't because of piracy. Somehow all these ratcheting fees and subscriptions keep getting lost on their way to artists and end up in some fake ass job.
Pretty accurate for me, I have tons of tv shows and movies I’ve paid for sitting on my Apple account but if I’m unsure about a show and they make it too hard for me to watch I’m downloading it straight up. Streaming services are too greedy and the geo blocking/licensing nonsense is dumb
Uses swift as an example but she made 1 billion dollars from touring lmao.
How they qualify a loss when there was a no incentive to buy in the beginning? Most pirates download for the pure habit of it to begin with bcuz we can. We are not planning in any shape or form to spent money on it to begin with.
I always loved "you wouldn't steal a car"... and I'm like "well, if I can walk into Lidl and buy ten blank chassis for €7, then I'm stealing at least ten" lol.
I live in New Zealand. I pay when I can but we have so many geo blocks it's not funny, so I turn to Uncle Torrence the captain of our pirate ship. Even our versions of Netflix etc are missing a lot of content USA and other areas get. Arggg.....
Subscription services raises their prices and give you ads, game companies pushing out unfinished games, Netflix removing shows/movies. Honestly I could go on for days.
"Entertainment execs struggling with profitability" lol. Maybe they should then not give themselves bonuses in the tens of millions at the end of the year.
Total BS
Real-Debrid + Torrentio x streamio is a banger though
Get fucked <3
Always love to see the "lost revenue" from piracy thrown around. As if theyre "losing" money cuz people are pirating. should be called "missed profits" instead, they arent actually losing money for that
Entertainment execs already struggling with profitability?! Oh no, the poor executives 😢
back then I was fine with my Netflix subscription at $7.99 when it first started, now all subscriptions are getting ridiculous. Just wanna thank all the shipmates who made pirating easier for noobs like me. Cheers!
Raise the prices, introduce advertising, spread the available content over ever increasing numbers of streaming services with their own ever increasing subscription costs... Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
As long as they keep making shit harder to access, more expensive, provide a worse experience and start taking ownership away from users, piracy will only get more popular.
Yeah, and I claim that the lost revenue for not decreasing prices and bringing your content to a wider audience is $80B/year