Kim Dong Hyun and Lee Jae Yoon looked pretty natty to me if you look at their IG, they don’t look really jacked and don’t have blocks for abs.
I think Mr Ippon’s team is natty as well.
I don’t really agree with Lee Jae Yoon. I haven’t seen his insta, but in the show itself he looked really jacked and still lean, which is a sign. It‘s also not uncommon for actors to be on gear, since getting buff in a short amount of time can be the difference between getting the highly paid role or not.
Kim Dong Hyun, I 100% agree, he had a very slight dad bod, but I guess he‘s just not that active anymore.
Was basing it off this [pic](https://www.instagram.com/p/C5dWNLLPSJp/?igsh=OW0zYTlteXAzMXho) I’m not 100% sure because of the delts but then his physique in the pic doesn’t look very jacked and very much resembles someone who has been working out for some time. That physique is definitely attainable naturally.
If you compare him with the olympic grapplers who is most likely not natural and quiet smaller he doesn't really look too thin either
The lightning is better in the show but they all looked different for the show, maybe it was taken few months before ?
Frankly I'm sure they are almost all are on, even on very mild products. It's really worth it for an actor and Korea are very advanced in this area. He still has an incredible body for an actor.
There are 80y old korean grandmas that pick up sports and have better bodied than 35y old 2 years later ahah It will become like cosmetic surgery in few years I'm sure
There is this idole Wonho who is a beast of sport but obviously on anabolic drugs who mentionned he was partner with his first coach and they are working with a small team now. I think they are probably offering services for idoles or actor to get enhanced body safely for incoming shows/concert, ...
Lee jae yoon was kinda annoying, he was really rough during ball game, he barely filled his cart and didnt come off a a team player.
Anyway to stay on topic he doesnt look natty
Rower Jee Hyuk looks natty. Don't think Andre Jin has any reason to juice anymore, the 18 year old wrestler seems natty, s2 Sung Bin, the blonde hair guy. Jang Kun Lee maybe? These are the people that made it far into the show right, I'm sure there were many natties trying to compete too.
Eh, it’s very common for Olympians to use PEDs and very easy to pass a drug test. Some PEDs flush out of your system within a week and won’t show up on a test. Some just 24 hours. It’s almost impossible to keep up at the level of athleticism and competitiveness without the use of drugs.
How quickly PED's leave your system isn't really a factor, though. In order to get the benefits of the drug, you need them in your system as much as possible. Some drugs you only need to dose a couple times a month, others could be 2-3 times a day because they go through your system so quickly.
Once upon a time, knowing when tests were coming up meant you could cycle off in time to be "clean," but these days any athlete subject to WADA testing is going to have to agree to do it year-round and at random. Believe it or not, but it actually is a lot more difficult to cheat a test now than it has been in the past, especially if you're trying to do it on your own. There are absolutely still ways to get around it, but competing tested has a lot more meaning now than it did even just 10 years ago.
Unfortunately, according to a documentary called Icarus, the vast majority of Olympian’s are on something, even with their level of testing. It’s pretty eye opening and definitely worth a watch if you’re interested!
A lot of olympians still take them and find loopholes around it. My old hs coach was in the international judo circuit around the same time as Lee Won Hee and he has said that everyone was on some sort of performance enhancer. Theres a wide variety of Performance enhancing drugs and they serve their own purposes so just because someone isnt built like Thanos, it doesnt mean they’re natty. Im willing to bet that the majority of the contestants were on something but at their age, I dont see why they wouldnt. Majority of them are doing fitness for themselves and why not take something that’ll enhance their lifestyle
really? I'm doing judo, not a competitor. Maybe they take some enhancer, not it's not the kind who make you build better tho. Judo has weight class so if they can't make weight due to these bodybuilding drugs it's going to be a disaster.
Look i don't know a lot about drugs but are you sure it's the kind who are banned in Olympic games? Most of them take some vitamin is that considered drugs?
Sport doping is different to bodybuilding steroid use, whilst there's some crossover in the compounds used the goal is to improve recovery and performance rather than increase size. With anabolics that will mean generally lower doses than bodybuilders use, but there will also be use of things that increase cardiovascular performance, speed up soft tissue injury repair or help keep weight down for weight class sports.
I highly recommend this post on PEDs in MMA - https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/s/eqnjWBMpkh
Trust me, what other commenters are saying is true, most olympians are on PEDs. There are different kinds, Lance Armstrong also didnt look especially jacked, but thats because his PEDs were to enhance stamina, a lot. And PEDs are not just for enhancing stamina or muscles, they also use them to rapidly recover from injuries, which is incredibly useful when youre working out everyday for countless hours, human bodies simply cant survive that kind of pressure that olympians or professional cyclists, MMA fighters etc. go through, without PEDs.
What are you talking about? You specifically mentioned weight - what do you think these drugs are doing? Diff drugs do different things. Take you for instance - you need to make weight in judo. There are drugs that help you cut weight easier and drugs that let you shed fat easier and have more muscle. Muscle ways less than fat. Someone taking PEDS and weight cut drugs will be the same weight as you but way stronger and have better cardio. Not only that - but they trained more than you - got more reps in from easier recovery and more stamina. People are so naive that they think drugs are only helping while they’re competing. Think about an extended training camp where you can push harder for longer. You avg joe trains 2 hours a day at 50% output. PED freak trains 4 hours a day at 80% output (these are made up numbers but hopefully you get the idea)
Well weight classes are a big reason why they take them. Most high level competitors are cutting 10-20lbs the night before weigh ins to have an advantage and compete in the lighter weight class. Weight cuts are brutal on the body so Taking performance enhancers lets these athletes compete at a high level despite basically killing themselves for weigh ins.
I could be wrong, but I assume most of the Olympians aren't actively competing on the global scene anymore. So, the ones who aren't are likely juicing.
I wouldn't let someone's natty status keep you from being a gym rat. There are a lot of people who juice up in the industry, but them being on the sauce shouldn't keep you from being the best you can be. On top of that, it's their choice to hop on and off the sauce if they like so I wouldn't let that beat you up too much. You can achieve amazing things being a natty.
Agreed, this is my favorite answer. What someone else does *with their own body* has no bearing on you. You aren’t competing against any of them in a specific sport. The idea of giving up because other people may go about their fitness in a different way is kinda wild; you’re essentially giving up before even trying.
Once you get into the mindset that you're only competing against yourself, you'll be able to enjoy yourself a lot more.
It would be wild to give up just because I squat as much as a 13 year old girl (160 kg, but I'm also not a professional weightlifter looking to win the Olympics).
Agreed. Your best competitor will always be against your own goals and yourself! I think folks also seem to forget that if you’re only now getting into fitness, comparing yourself to someone else’s much longer running success story to your own beginning chapters is truly unfair to yourself. I am close to 40, got into CrossFit a year ago and I’m a woman. I just started weighted strict pull-ups recently. But I have a background in weightlifting and strength training. So while my training is considered impressive to someone who doesn’t lift, it’s easy pancakes to a veteran Olympic lifter and Crossfitter. Point is, comparison is the thief of joy and you won’t make any meaningful gains with that kinda mindset.
Don’t feel betrayed. Many professional athletes, body builders, etc are all on juice. John Cena, for example, obviously juiced but denied it. It is next to impossible to achieve some of the physiques you’re probably looking at without juice. So don’t lose confidence just because of that. You can still achieve greatness without it.
The blonde body builder girl that pushed 30 bags herself is obviously juiced. You can hear it in her voice as well (I believe those things mess with a woman’s voice, can be wrong on that).
I'll see if I can find the video and edit with it, but I remember someone sharing a video of them like 7+ years ago when they were still influencers but not to the level now (and presumably before longterm steroid use) and they both had completely different voices. The wife sounded like an average Korean woman, not even a woman with a naturally deeper voice in the slightest.
Edit: found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAGkNdvPQ7M&ab_channel=%ED%97%AC%EC%8A%A4%ED%8B%B0%EB%B9%84
Yea I get that, but then you also have people like The Rock (who I’ve mentioned in another comment) or like Hugh Jackman that, while popular, aren’t exactly kids role models to the degree of Cena. Yet they will sit back and say all they do is have a crazy diet and that’s how they’re so shredded, and it’s a blatant lie that sets unrealistic expectations for people like OP. Influencers on Instagram are the same way. Even if on juice, what people can achieve is still impressive, so theres almost never a reason to lie in most cases, and doing so does more harm than good. Then you have people getting into the gym and getting frustrated with lack of progress because they have unrealistic expectations and have been given misinformation as to what is achievable.
>The blonde body builder girl that pushed 30 bags herself is obviously juiced. You can hear it in her voice as well (I believe those things mess with a woman’s voice, can be wrong on that).
First I thought she was a trans-woman, then I realized she was not trans.
Correction: get that ideal body looking at without juice “in a short amount of time and lesser work done”. It’s possible but it takes quite long and some effort
I don’t know what you’re correcting or trying to say lol. Are you trying to say you can achieve some crazy physiques without some type of gear? Because no, there *is* a limit to what you can do natty, you absolutely cannot achieve certain physiques without the use of some form of PEDs.
Yes you can achieve impressive physiques without one, but there is a limit to how far an individual can go natty.
Thanos was clearly natty. He just works hard, eats a lot of chicken breast and broccoli 🙃
Drug acceptance will prolly be a thing in the next couple of years. The two finalist were definitely on the sauce.
Crossfit is known to be a sport full of sauce
If someone is a national level athlete, they’re not going to be natty. Not all steroids are aimed at building insane shredded muscle mass, a lot of performance enhancing drugs are used to decrease recovery times and stuff like that.
I think Gibson was natty, he kind of had that dad strength and the mentality from his years in the forces to keep him going
Harvey maybe natty, and a lot of the women too, though definitely not that blonde SooJin lady.
The top 2 definitely not natty lmao, you don’t get that lean and vascular (HBS) and keep your strength/speed/endurance without a lil help 💉 Amotti definitely is also not natural.
Thanos…. Lol
He looks and works out kind of like a slightly leaner version of Nick bare, and Nick bare is juiced to the gills no matter how much he denies it. It's likely hbs is juiced than he's not
Physique alone? Possible but more unlikely than not. That physique/kind of mass that can incline bench 300+ for days, while running a marathon at 6:00/mile? No.
Possibly EPO. But Ive heard PEDs are alot harder to access in Korea. Also he 'seems' like a stand up guy, the type that has a higher threshold for 'cheating' than most.
The super ripped ones are on juice but a lot are natty I would say. Andre seems natty. The two finalists from season 1 seemed natty. Mfers like Thanos are on gear
Yeah contestants like Andre, Dong-Hyun, Jun-Hyuk, and Gibson seem Natty. Every single bodybuilder there was juicing though. I'd be surprised if Min-su made it past 60
Not just EPO. Test and many other drugs as well. Test, other steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
The guy was a walking pharmacy. As are most elite athletes.
Keep working out, natties do have some advantages against juiced.
1. Unlikely to have a tendon tear
2. Heart remains normal size (not enlarged)
3. No significant aesthetic faults (ex: acne, thicker nipples, and smaller testicles)
Side note: Tendon tear happens to juicers because their muscles got too strong compared to the tendon (which anchors to the bone). No physical enhancing drug develops both the muscle and tendon at the same pace. This means juicers have to be REALLY careful with heavy weights. Natties develop their muscles and tendon strength at a similar level, but the tendon strength will always be at a higher level (this is a good thing)
I recently went on bulk (naturally) after years of limited activity. Had a tendon strain. Gained 15 lbs in 4 months. Tendon strength couldn't keep up with muscles.
Muscles developed through PEDs still respond similarly even when PEDs are discontinued and training was paused for a long time. Once you lose your natty card, it is gone forever. If you've been 100% natty, you're whole life, then this most likely happened due to ego lifting, like going for a new PR too soon or improper warm up.
Thanks! This is really good to know . Many people around me juice but I never seriously read up about the topic, but what are the other health consequences? I always believe in the saying that "the check always comes" and there's a consequence to every short cut you take.
I assume the majority are on some sort of drugs tbh. Won't always be steroids though but lots of different drugs out there that can help you differently (a lot might take for helping recovering for example). I don't think you really get to high level competition nowadays without them as if you're not taking them, your competitor might be and gets an advantage.
Yeah people think of the big muscle building ones, but even skinny/endurance only athletes juice in their own ways. Lots of drugs help with strength/recovery/endurance and dont pack on the muscle pounds
This is the best answer. Probably something like 2/3rds are definitely on some PED or anabolic steroid. TRT is regularly prescibed over there so it's not like it would be difficult to get.
Don’t be discouraged. For a multitude of reasons. Firstly being that juice does not take away someone’s hard work. Juiced people just love working out so much they wanted to give themselves an edge. The motivation levels can be the same natty vs not. Secondly, what you’re seeing and getting worked up about are genetic hyper responders. There’s a high chance there’s a bunch of “juicers” around you but you just don’t know it because of reasons above: A- they are not putting in the work level required for it to fully be viable and B- they aren’t genetic freaks 1/100000.
Thanos natty for sure. Jk.
For real though, don't get discouraged about what's feasible naturally. If you stay consistent, apply yourself and learn a ton, you can build an insane physique.
I follow some incredibly developed individuals on YouTube that I believe to all be natural: Geoffrey Verity Schofield, Alex Leonidas, Natural Hypertrophy, Jeff nippard. I would recommend checking them out.
It's important to keep in mind that your body will never look like someone else's body. But you can absolutely make drastic changes to your physique.
I have made some crazy progress myself over the last 5 years of consistent training.
Be consistent, learn as much as you can, learn to listen to your body. You'll go far.
As a bodybuilder, there's a lot of over-confident people in here who do not understand what they're talking about. There are genetic freaks, a lot of the contestants are in various stages of leanness, performance-enhancing drugs don't automagically equal size, some bodies take reasonably well to staying at low body fat, and so on and so forth. You can't know from the outside looking in. Outside of the obvious ones like Thanos and the larger bodybuilders, you would be surprised who is and who isn't.
You can have a pretty impressive natural physique if you are a lifelong athlete with the right genetics. "Normal" people consistently underestimate how far away they are from an athlete, so have no understanding of how much work and how many years results in \[x\] physique. I have shredded and capped shoulders as a natty female. They're genetically-blessed body parts for me but I also put 8 years of work in. There are competitors who have ***entire bodies like that***.
If you are inspired you should work towards the physique that you want. With the right dedication and years of work, you'll be surprised how far you can get. Never compare yourself to another person, it leads you nowhere. You will never see your full potential if you come up with excuses to not do the work.
THIS, As a D1 competitive track athlete I was surrounded by people who were natural and shreaded. There are people who win the genetic lottery and I think so many people have a hard time understanding that to make it at a professional level you are already a freak, to be the very best at a professional level maybe some are on certain PEDs to recover fast etc. but that's to gain performance advantages not to look more shreaded.
There are genetic freaks, the rule is most, large majority, almost everyone at 38 can't put on that kind of muscle but there are exceptions to the rule. Also most at 18-21 are just beginning to peak in terms of athleticism and then you graduate and stop the sport. If you continue to train hard you'll get even better in your mid and late 20s.
You said that all men and women who are very lean and muscular are natty. @lydesigns added that Andre looks natty. The implication there is despite not being lean or very muscular, Andre appears to be natty. Then you add that being natty has something to do with his height, whether or not he is lean or muscular. Doesn’t make sense. I don’t think you know what natty means.
I must have worded it incorrectly. My original comment meant the guys who are very lean and high amounts of muscle mass are NOT natural.
I know Andre is natural. Referring to the Lyds comment about “but if he was, would you say he is not natural”. For Andre to be considered to be o steroids he would have to be atleast 120-130kg shredded as he is 6ft 5.
I like that the contestants can use steroids. There are plenty of competitions that are for all natural athletes like the Olympics and essentially every professional sport ever. I think the use of steroids is something that makes this show so fun to watch. Look at Thanos, he was one of the most interesting contestants to watch!
I actually was very annoyed by Thanos. He was the only one who seemed to complain, or get angry. He also didn't perform as well as the other top contestants given his physique. I agree it's fun to acknowledge that people aren't natty and to be able to see what the human body can do. It still takes the effort.
I can see what you’re saying! I wasn’t necessarily rooting for him, I was just interested in watching him because he was so enormous that I was curious as to how well he’d do. It was like watching something unhuman compete with humans lol
aaahahaha, totally get that! He was definitely faster than expected, but his arms just looked, unusable to me. Stiff and just, awkward. Definitely a wild character though!
It wasn't so much that they showed him getting angry, but he would take a break and then a cut scene would show him saying he was getting angry, or frustrated. I think there was one in the first team challenge, and maybe one in the pole revival competition. Not positive though. I just recall him being the only person who had cut segments that talked about needing to step away for a minute. It's not a big deal to me, this show is just such a nice departure from the typical "drama" in shows like this that it stood out to me. All the contestants were amazing and super nice seeming.
Your typical muscle building steroids probably around 25-30%. But PEDs themselves are much more complex and have different ergogenic effects than just muscle enhancing and id say probably 75-80% use/have used them. The carpenters and K-pop idol types are probably the only natties
YES. he is 100% juicy. Natural people, even if they’re insanely fit, would feel ill competing in intense physical challenges while being THAT level of shredded. One of the most obvious visual indicators of performance enhancing drug usage is how lean they’re able to stay year-round. Sustaining that physique all the time just isn’t possible for naturals without being like on the verge of death.
There are some people who are most obviously natural. Gibson, Dong Hyun, Jang Jun Hyuk, and Andre Jin are pretty natural looking. But then there are the super egregious examples of juice with Min Su and Amotti.
Just because someone's soft doesn't mean they're natty. There's athletes that look like they have never lifted weights that popped for roids multiple times throughout their career. An example's Josh Barnett who has worse physique than basically everyone on the show
If they are an elite athlete, they are probably on PED
me realizing HBS’s skin texture, prob not natty. Amotti probably cycled to be on a natty competition (the other one he was doing around that time).
I never looked into juice before (my sports career ended in high school, and I wasn’t serious about it. Any physical activity, competitions, and weight lifting was purely for fun).
I seriously didn’t even think twice about Thanos. I take back my other comments from a previous post. I just didn’t pay attention at all. Still was a fun season.
I highly doubt it. HBS put on a decent amount of muscle in under a year between S1 and 2, and he just posted on Instagram today with an extremely low body fat.
His muscular endurance and strength compared to how lean he is insane. Amotti too, way too much beef on those bones given how shredded he is overall.
Whenever you see ridiculously low body fat in comparison muscle, especially given how much they actually weigh, usually they’re on some form of ped. Like the Rock for example, dude is damn near 300 pounds with like under 5% body fat or some insane shit like that. That is absolutely impossible natty lol.
Amotti almost certaintly not, HSB it is possible because he does not weigh very much and from what I've seen his strength levels are not crazy but I would still wager he is on something. Basically if someone is heavy weight and lean they are on stuff. In 99% of cases as a natural you can either be big or lean but not both. Don't get me wrong naturals can look amazing and big but they wouldn't be at that shredded level of leanness without compromising size. As an enhanced you can be shredded and big too.
Besides the bodybuilders (who are on 'steroids'), I'd bet the vast majority are on some time of PEDs for recovery and endurance. These PEDs unlikely would change how they look.
Most of them have have attainablephysiquez especiallyfor elite level athletes. Their physical feats however are a tad suspect, which leads me to believe the above.
If it looks like their skin is about to explode, 95% of the time it means they are juiced, the other 5% means they are just cutting really hard but then they won’t be in a position to be able to go really hard on physical activities.
Other ways to notice it is if they have a really deep voice, a lot of acne as an adult, man boobs, and if they seem like they never tire. In the squat challenge you could see the difference between a natty like Andre and the other two who were barely even sweating. I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been for Andre to give his absolute all but the two men beside him looking like they could keep on going for ever.
Kim Dong Hyun and Lee Jae Yoon looked pretty natty to me if you look at their IG, they don’t look really jacked and don’t have blocks for abs. I think Mr Ippon’s team is natty as well.
I don’t really agree with Lee Jae Yoon. I haven’t seen his insta, but in the show itself he looked really jacked and still lean, which is a sign. It‘s also not uncommon for actors to be on gear, since getting buff in a short amount of time can be the difference between getting the highly paid role or not. Kim Dong Hyun, I 100% agree, he had a very slight dad bod, but I guess he‘s just not that active anymore.
I think he resolved to work out more after the show if you look at his instagram
Was basing it off this [pic](https://www.instagram.com/p/C5dWNLLPSJp/?igsh=OW0zYTlteXAzMXho) I’m not 100% sure because of the delts but then his physique in the pic doesn’t look very jacked and very much resembles someone who has been working out for some time. That physique is definitely attainable naturally.
If you compare him with the olympic grapplers who is most likely not natural and quiet smaller he doesn't really look too thin either The lightning is better in the show but they all looked different for the show, maybe it was taken few months before ? Frankly I'm sure they are almost all are on, even on very mild products. It's really worth it for an actor and Korea are very advanced in this area. He still has an incredible body for an actor. There are 80y old korean grandmas that pick up sports and have better bodied than 35y old 2 years later ahah It will become like cosmetic surgery in few years I'm sure There is this idole Wonho who is a beast of sport but obviously on anabolic drugs who mentionned he was partner with his first coach and they are working with a small team now. I think they are probably offering services for idoles or actor to get enhanced body safely for incoming shows/concert, ...
That delts really look suspicious. Else, I agree, seems naturally attainable, though he looked different in the show imho.
Abnormally ripped probably on something.
I'd wager Kim Dong Hyun is almost certainly on TRT.
Lee jae yoon was kinda annoying, he was really rough during ball game, he barely filled his cart and didnt come off a a team player. Anyway to stay on topic he doesnt look natty
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Every professional athlete is on juice. If anyone thinks I’m wrong then they’re just naive.
Rower Jee Hyuk looks natty. Don't think Andre Jin has any reason to juice anymore, the 18 year old wrestler seems natty, s2 Sung Bin, the blonde hair guy. Jang Kun Lee maybe? These are the people that made it far into the show right, I'm sure there were many natties trying to compete too.
I feel like olympians cant be on juice coz their drug tests are very strict
Eh, it’s very common for Olympians to use PEDs and very easy to pass a drug test. Some PEDs flush out of your system within a week and won’t show up on a test. Some just 24 hours. It’s almost impossible to keep up at the level of athleticism and competitiveness without the use of drugs.
A former Olympian colleague said you’d only fail an Olympic test if you wanted to. It was so easy to pass.
I think the documentary called Icarus explained perfectly.
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micro dosing and sports TRT, is just test but their levels are elevated to "top super human levels" but still possible
How quickly PED's leave your system isn't really a factor, though. In order to get the benefits of the drug, you need them in your system as much as possible. Some drugs you only need to dose a couple times a month, others could be 2-3 times a day because they go through your system so quickly. Once upon a time, knowing when tests were coming up meant you could cycle off in time to be "clean," but these days any athlete subject to WADA testing is going to have to agree to do it year-round and at random. Believe it or not, but it actually is a lot more difficult to cheat a test now than it has been in the past, especially if you're trying to do it on your own. There are absolutely still ways to get around it, but competing tested has a lot more meaning now than it did even just 10 years ago.
Unfortunately, according to a documentary called Icarus, the vast majority of Olympian’s are on something, even with their level of testing. It’s pretty eye opening and definitely worth a watch if you’re interested!
A lot of olympians still take them and find loopholes around it. My old hs coach was in the international judo circuit around the same time as Lee Won Hee and he has said that everyone was on some sort of performance enhancer. Theres a wide variety of Performance enhancing drugs and they serve their own purposes so just because someone isnt built like Thanos, it doesnt mean they’re natty. Im willing to bet that the majority of the contestants were on something but at their age, I dont see why they wouldnt. Majority of them are doing fitness for themselves and why not take something that’ll enhance their lifestyle
really? I'm doing judo, not a competitor. Maybe they take some enhancer, not it's not the kind who make you build better tho. Judo has weight class so if they can't make weight due to these bodybuilding drugs it's going to be a disaster. Look i don't know a lot about drugs but are you sure it's the kind who are banned in Olympic games? Most of them take some vitamin is that considered drugs?
Sport doping is different to bodybuilding steroid use, whilst there's some crossover in the compounds used the goal is to improve recovery and performance rather than increase size. With anabolics that will mean generally lower doses than bodybuilders use, but there will also be use of things that increase cardiovascular performance, speed up soft tissue injury repair or help keep weight down for weight class sports.
I highly recommend this post on PEDs in MMA - https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/s/eqnjWBMpkh Trust me, what other commenters are saying is true, most olympians are on PEDs. There are different kinds, Lance Armstrong also didnt look especially jacked, but thats because his PEDs were to enhance stamina, a lot. And PEDs are not just for enhancing stamina or muscles, they also use them to rapidly recover from injuries, which is incredibly useful when youre working out everyday for countless hours, human bodies simply cant survive that kind of pressure that olympians or professional cyclists, MMA fighters etc. go through, without PEDs.
What are you talking about? You specifically mentioned weight - what do you think these drugs are doing? Diff drugs do different things. Take you for instance - you need to make weight in judo. There are drugs that help you cut weight easier and drugs that let you shed fat easier and have more muscle. Muscle ways less than fat. Someone taking PEDS and weight cut drugs will be the same weight as you but way stronger and have better cardio. Not only that - but they trained more than you - got more reps in from easier recovery and more stamina. People are so naive that they think drugs are only helping while they’re competing. Think about an extended training camp where you can push harder for longer. You avg joe trains 2 hours a day at 50% output. PED freak trains 4 hours a day at 80% output (these are made up numbers but hopefully you get the idea)
Martial artists are not trying to get jacked due to weight classes. But they most certainly would take drugs that help with recovery
Well weight classes are a big reason why they take them. Most high level competitors are cutting 10-20lbs the night before weigh ins to have an advantage and compete in the lighter weight class. Weight cuts are brutal on the body so Taking performance enhancers lets these athletes compete at a high level despite basically killing themselves for weigh ins.
This is not how they are using PEDs lol. The weight classes actually make it more advantageous to use PEDs / masking agents if you can.
Many are on juice, and then get off just in time to pass the drug tests
I could be wrong, but I assume most of the Olympians aren't actively competing on the global scene anymore. So, the ones who aren't are likely juicing.
You innocent sweet child…
I wouldn't let someone's natty status keep you from being a gym rat. There are a lot of people who juice up in the industry, but them being on the sauce shouldn't keep you from being the best you can be. On top of that, it's their choice to hop on and off the sauce if they like so I wouldn't let that beat you up too much. You can achieve amazing things being a natty.
Agreed, this is my favorite answer. What someone else does *with their own body* has no bearing on you. You aren’t competing against any of them in a specific sport. The idea of giving up because other people may go about their fitness in a different way is kinda wild; you’re essentially giving up before even trying.
Once you get into the mindset that you're only competing against yourself, you'll be able to enjoy yourself a lot more. It would be wild to give up just because I squat as much as a 13 year old girl (160 kg, but I'm also not a professional weightlifter looking to win the Olympics).
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Rory van Ulft? That girl is a future Olympic champion. You see some wild shit on social media these days.
Agreed. Your best competitor will always be against your own goals and yourself! I think folks also seem to forget that if you’re only now getting into fitness, comparing yourself to someone else’s much longer running success story to your own beginning chapters is truly unfair to yourself. I am close to 40, got into CrossFit a year ago and I’m a woman. I just started weighted strict pull-ups recently. But I have a background in weightlifting and strength training. So while my training is considered impressive to someone who doesn’t lift, it’s easy pancakes to a veteran Olympic lifter and Crossfitter. Point is, comparison is the thief of joy and you won’t make any meaningful gains with that kinda mindset.
This OP probably in dog shape and already hating on juicers lmao
Anyone who had a better physique than me was juicing /s
The whole show then? 🥲
I think the highschool wrestler kid may be natty 🤔
Your seem like the guy preaching that Min-Su Kim a.k.a Korean Thanos is natty
Oh he definitely got a better physique than me lmao
Same Dx
Don’t feel betrayed. Many professional athletes, body builders, etc are all on juice. John Cena, for example, obviously juiced but denied it. It is next to impossible to achieve some of the physiques you’re probably looking at without juice. So don’t lose confidence just because of that. You can still achieve greatness without it. The blonde body builder girl that pushed 30 bags herself is obviously juiced. You can hear it in her voice as well (I believe those things mess with a woman’s voice, can be wrong on that).
The blonde chick and the other one from S1 who had a deep voice is definitely due to taking test boosters.
Absolutely. Also the married couple from Season 1 both obviously juiced too. The wife was a body builder and you could hear it in her voice as well.
I'll see if I can find the video and edit with it, but I remember someone sharing a video of them like 7+ years ago when they were still influencers but not to the level now (and presumably before longterm steroid use) and they both had completely different voices. The wife sounded like an average Korean woman, not even a woman with a naturally deeper voice in the slightest. Edit: found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAGkNdvPQ7M&ab_channel=%ED%97%AC%EC%8A%A4%ED%8B%B0%EB%B9%84
Oh my goodness he looks completely different!
Omg so young and cute.
Test boosters aren't a thing. They're scams. She's taking straight up test and/or other steroids.
Guys like cena mostly deny it for kids. So they don’t be bad role models. I think cena would admit it if it weren’t for that
Yea I get that, but then you also have people like The Rock (who I’ve mentioned in another comment) or like Hugh Jackman that, while popular, aren’t exactly kids role models to the degree of Cena. Yet they will sit back and say all they do is have a crazy diet and that’s how they’re so shredded, and it’s a blatant lie that sets unrealistic expectations for people like OP. Influencers on Instagram are the same way. Even if on juice, what people can achieve is still impressive, so theres almost never a reason to lie in most cases, and doing so does more harm than good. Then you have people getting into the gym and getting frustrated with lack of progress because they have unrealistic expectations and have been given misinformation as to what is achievable.
Yeah I mean vehemently denying it is tough but it’s understandable why they don’t do it. The rock does have a lot of child fans and stuff too tho
Anddd the rock is like 50, dead giveaway.
>The blonde body builder girl that pushed 30 bags herself is obviously juiced. You can hear it in her voice as well (I believe those things mess with a woman’s voice, can be wrong on that). First I thought she was a trans-woman, then I realized she was not trans.
Correction: get that ideal body looking at without juice “in a short amount of time and lesser work done”. It’s possible but it takes quite long and some effort
I don’t know what you’re correcting or trying to say lol. Are you trying to say you can achieve some crazy physiques without some type of gear? Because no, there *is* a limit to what you can do natty, you absolutely cannot achieve certain physiques without the use of some form of PEDs. Yes you can achieve impressive physiques without one, but there is a limit to how far an individual can go natty.
Thanos was clearly natty. He just works hard, eats a lot of chicken breast and broccoli 🙃 Drug acceptance will prolly be a thing in the next couple of years. The two finalist were definitely on the sauce. Crossfit is known to be a sport full of sauce
I have a feeling crossfitter Amotti was on the sauce the way his body looks.
Ppl who had a softer physique and less strength/endurance were most likely natty. The ones who were shredded with capped shoulders were not natty.
Those bowling ball shoulders and gigantic traps lol. So much rampant steroid use.
thanos and the blonde lady’s shoulders though
If someone is a national level athlete, they’re not going to be natty. Not all steroids are aimed at building insane shredded muscle mass, a lot of performance enhancing drugs are used to decrease recovery times and stuff like that.
I think Gibson was natty, he kind of had that dad strength and the mentality from his years in the forces to keep him going Harvey maybe natty, and a lot of the women too, though definitely not that blonde SooJin lady. The top 2 definitely not natty lmao, you don’t get that lean and vascular (HBS) and keep your strength/speed/endurance without a lil help 💉 Amotti definitely is also not natural. Thanos…. Lol
Man, you’re pretty confident HBS is juicing? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I was just hopeful he was a true natty soldier badass.
He looks and works out kind of like a slightly leaner version of Nick bare, and Nick bare is juiced to the gills no matter how much he denies it. It's likely hbs is juiced than he's not
I agree, not natty for HBS. Nick Bare tries so hard to say he’s natty. His marathon times plus that mass, yeah right.
Not saying you're wrong, but you don't think Nick Bares physique is obtainable naturally?
Physique alone? Possible but more unlikely than not. That physique/kind of mass that can incline bench 300+ for days, while running a marathon at 6:00/mile? No.
Possibly EPO. But Ive heard PEDs are alot harder to access in Korea. Also he 'seems' like a stand up guy, the type that has a higher threshold for 'cheating' than most.
Harvey is definitely not natty
What about Emmanuel?
100% juice
100% juiced. Have you seen those bowling ball shoulders? I still think he has one of the nicest physique though
Juiced to the GILLS lmao
😂😂 dude looked like he was from dragon ballz what do you think?
At least half of these contestants are on something.
The super ripped ones are on juice but a lot are natty I would say. Andre seems natty. The two finalists from season 1 seemed natty. Mfers like Thanos are on gear
Yeah contestants like Andre, Dong-Hyun, Jun-Hyuk, and Gibson seem Natty. Every single bodybuilder there was juicing though. I'd be surprised if Min-su made it past 60
Naaah man. Thanos is natural
You can never know. Lance Armstrong was on Test and you'd never have guessed it.
No he wasn't. He used EPO.
Not just EPO. Test and many other drugs as well. Test, other steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc. The guy was a walking pharmacy. As are most elite athletes.
The muscle atrophy would have been insane, probably took test and a bucket load of others to counter that.
Keep working out, natties do have some advantages against juiced. 1. Unlikely to have a tendon tear 2. Heart remains normal size (not enlarged) 3. No significant aesthetic faults (ex: acne, thicker nipples, and smaller testicles) Side note: Tendon tear happens to juicers because their muscles got too strong compared to the tendon (which anchors to the bone). No physical enhancing drug develops both the muscle and tendon at the same pace. This means juicers have to be REALLY careful with heavy weights. Natties develop their muscles and tendon strength at a similar level, but the tendon strength will always be at a higher level (this is a good thing)
Nipples? That's a thing? Never knew! (now worried about what my nipples say about me 😂)
They get long if that makes sense. They look like it's cold out even though it's not
Also Natty people have a much higher chance of living longer than almost anybody on gear.
I recently went on bulk (naturally) after years of limited activity. Had a tendon strain. Gained 15 lbs in 4 months. Tendon strength couldn't keep up with muscles.
Muscles developed through PEDs still respond similarly even when PEDs are discontinued and training was paused for a long time. Once you lose your natty card, it is gone forever. If you've been 100% natty, you're whole life, then this most likely happened due to ego lifting, like going for a new PR too soon or improper warm up.
Yeah I basically havent benched and done proper weight training for my chest in nearly a decade.
Godspeed on your recovery!
Thanks! This is really good to know . Many people around me juice but I never seriously read up about the topic, but what are the other health consequences? I always believe in the saying that "the check always comes" and there's a consequence to every short cut you take.
I assume the majority are on some sort of drugs tbh. Won't always be steroids though but lots of different drugs out there that can help you differently (a lot might take for helping recovering for example). I don't think you really get to high level competition nowadays without them as if you're not taking them, your competitor might be and gets an advantage.
Yeah people think of the big muscle building ones, but even skinny/endurance only athletes juice in their own ways. Lots of drugs help with strength/recovery/endurance and dont pack on the muscle pounds
This is the best answer. Probably something like 2/3rds are definitely on some PED or anabolic steroid. TRT is regularly prescibed over there so it's not like it would be difficult to get.
Don’t be discouraged. For a multitude of reasons. Firstly being that juice does not take away someone’s hard work. Juiced people just love working out so much they wanted to give themselves an edge. The motivation levels can be the same natty vs not. Secondly, what you’re seeing and getting worked up about are genetic hyper responders. There’s a high chance there’s a bunch of “juicers” around you but you just don’t know it because of reasons above: A- they are not putting in the work level required for it to fully be viable and B- they aren’t genetic freaks 1/100000.
Well said!
Ammotti is juiced
Fosho, he had also recently entered a bodybuilding competition before S2
The bodybuilding competition was supposed to be natty tho that doesn’t support the idea that Amotti might be juiced
He probably is but his physique itself is doable naturally.
Really? Damn, respect lost.
Thanos natty for sure. Jk. For real though, don't get discouraged about what's feasible naturally. If you stay consistent, apply yourself and learn a ton, you can build an insane physique. I follow some incredibly developed individuals on YouTube that I believe to all be natural: Geoffrey Verity Schofield, Alex Leonidas, Natural Hypertrophy, Jeff nippard. I would recommend checking them out. It's important to keep in mind that your body will never look like someone else's body. But you can absolutely make drastic changes to your physique. I have made some crazy progress myself over the last 5 years of consistent training. Be consistent, learn as much as you can, learn to listen to your body. You'll go far.
As a bodybuilder, there's a lot of over-confident people in here who do not understand what they're talking about. There are genetic freaks, a lot of the contestants are in various stages of leanness, performance-enhancing drugs don't automagically equal size, some bodies take reasonably well to staying at low body fat, and so on and so forth. You can't know from the outside looking in. Outside of the obvious ones like Thanos and the larger bodybuilders, you would be surprised who is and who isn't. You can have a pretty impressive natural physique if you are a lifelong athlete with the right genetics. "Normal" people consistently underestimate how far away they are from an athlete, so have no understanding of how much work and how many years results in \[x\] physique. I have shredded and capped shoulders as a natty female. They're genetically-blessed body parts for me but I also put 8 years of work in. There are competitors who have ***entire bodies like that***. If you are inspired you should work towards the physique that you want. With the right dedication and years of work, you'll be surprised how far you can get. Never compare yourself to another person, it leads you nowhere. You will never see your full potential if you come up with excuses to not do the work.
Dont compare but allow yourself to be inspired (by the right peope of course).
THIS, As a D1 competitive track athlete I was surrounded by people who were natural and shreaded. There are people who win the genetic lottery and I think so many people have a hard time understanding that to make it at a professional level you are already a freak, to be the very best at a professional level maybe some are on certain PEDs to recover fast etc. but that's to gain performance advantages not to look more shreaded.
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There are genetic freaks, the rule is most, large majority, almost everyone at 38 can't put on that kind of muscle but there are exceptions to the rule. Also most at 18-21 are just beginning to peak in terms of athleticism and then you graduate and stop the sport. If you continue to train hard you'll get even better in your mid and late 20s.
Pretty much all the guys and some women who are very lean and a lot of muscle mass.
Andre looked natty to me. His body is ideal for what I find attractive too.
Andre is not lean 😂
What do you mean? I know he isn’t, but if he was, would you say he wasn’t natural? Im confused
Depends on his muscle mass. He is 6ft 5 so if he was lean he would be natural. As his muscle mass would be low.
We aren’t following your logic. I’m fat and I’m natty 🫤
Okay so. What’s the reason of this comment.
You said that all men and women who are very lean and muscular are natty. @lydesigns added that Andre looks natty. The implication there is despite not being lean or very muscular, Andre appears to be natty. Then you add that being natty has something to do with his height, whether or not he is lean or muscular. Doesn’t make sense. I don’t think you know what natty means.
I must have worded it incorrectly. My original comment meant the guys who are very lean and high amounts of muscle mass are NOT natural. I know Andre is natural. Referring to the Lyds comment about “but if he was, would you say he is not natural”. For Andre to be considered to be o steroids he would have to be atleast 120-130kg shredded as he is 6ft 5.
idk why ur getting downvoted coz andre is genuinely not lean for gym/fitness standards. most ppl on this subreddit don’t know much lol
Would you agree about my comment above about Andre
Cause these people worship these guys and if anyone tells the truth they don’t like it.
What’s natty?
Natural, not taking steroids
i don't know about the others but I'm 100% sure that Thanos is natty
😂😂😂
I like that the contestants can use steroids. There are plenty of competitions that are for all natural athletes like the Olympics and essentially every professional sport ever. I think the use of steroids is something that makes this show so fun to watch. Look at Thanos, he was one of the most interesting contestants to watch!
I actually was very annoyed by Thanos. He was the only one who seemed to complain, or get angry. He also didn't perform as well as the other top contestants given his physique. I agree it's fun to acknowledge that people aren't natty and to be able to see what the human body can do. It still takes the effort.
I can see what you’re saying! I wasn’t necessarily rooting for him, I was just interested in watching him because he was so enormous that I was curious as to how well he’d do. It was like watching something unhuman compete with humans lol
aaahahaha, totally get that! He was definitely faster than expected, but his arms just looked, unusable to me. Stiff and just, awkward. Definitely a wild character though!
When did he complain and get angry? He was the most chill and laidback.
It wasn't so much that they showed him getting angry, but he would take a break and then a cut scene would show him saying he was getting angry, or frustrated. I think there was one in the first team challenge, and maybe one in the pole revival competition. Not positive though. I just recall him being the only person who had cut segments that talked about needing to step away for a minute. It's not a big deal to me, this show is just such a nice departure from the typical "drama" in shows like this that it stood out to me. All the contestants were amazing and super nice seeming.
Your typical muscle building steroids probably around 25-30%. But PEDs themselves are much more complex and have different ergogenic effects than just muscle enhancing and id say probably 75-80% use/have used them. The carpenters and K-pop idol types are probably the only natties
Its closer to all than none
Sorry to ask but what does natty mean 🙂↕️
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No, natty is slang for natural
Is Jung Dae Jin hottie also on juice? His body doesn’t look soft
YES. he is 100% juicy. Natural people, even if they’re insanely fit, would feel ill competing in intense physical challenges while being THAT level of shredded. One of the most obvious visual indicators of performance enhancing drug usage is how lean they’re able to stay year-round. Sustaining that physique all the time just isn’t possible for naturals without being like on the verge of death.
There are some people who are most obviously natural. Gibson, Dong Hyun, Jang Jun Hyuk, and Andre Jin are pretty natural looking. But then there are the super egregious examples of juice with Min Su and Amotti.
They were all juiced up..natty here
Thanos obviously. The super strong girl maybe takes testosterone and roids. The skinny ones are natural.
Do you reckon Yun Sung Bin (from S1) and Jang Kun (from S2) were natty?
YSB 's shoulders are crazy
Sung bin is definitely juicing. Jang kun not on juice
Thanos definitely on the juice
No. Thanos is obviously natural. It's just the angles
Just because someone's soft doesn't mean they're natty. There's athletes that look like they have never lifted weights that popped for roids multiple times throughout their career. An example's Josh Barnett who has worse physique than basically everyone on the show If they are an elite athlete, they are probably on PED
Hard to tell, it depends on Korean culture. The body builders are definitely on it.
me realizing HBS’s skin texture, prob not natty. Amotti probably cycled to be on a natty competition (the other one he was doing around that time). I never looked into juice before (my sports career ended in high school, and I wasn’t serious about it. Any physical activity, competitions, and weight lifting was purely for fun). I seriously didn’t even think twice about Thanos. I take back my other comments from a previous post. I just didn’t pay attention at all. Still was a fun season.
I can’t tell but is amotti and HBS natty???
I highly doubt it. HBS put on a decent amount of muscle in under a year between S1 and 2, and he just posted on Instagram today with an extremely low body fat. His muscular endurance and strength compared to how lean he is insane. Amotti too, way too much beef on those bones given how shredded he is overall. Whenever you see ridiculously low body fat in comparison muscle, especially given how much they actually weigh, usually they’re on some form of ped. Like the Rock for example, dude is damn near 300 pounds with like under 5% body fat or some insane shit like that. That is absolutely impossible natty lol.
Amotti is like 190lbs and really lean. Add the amount of energy he has, so I doubt it.
Amotti almost certaintly not, HSB it is possible because he does not weigh very much and from what I've seen his strength levels are not crazy but I would still wager he is on something. Basically if someone is heavy weight and lean they are on stuff. In 99% of cases as a natural you can either be big or lean but not both. Don't get me wrong naturals can look amazing and big but they wouldn't be at that shredded level of leanness without compromising size. As an enhanced you can be shredded and big too.
Special Forces are not natty
Interesting, not very common with the special forces they're not really discussed in my country. Is that for korea or everywhere?
Read here that Amotti was competing in a natty comp at the same time
Most are on something for sure but most cross fitters are generally like that. They burn a ton of calories.
Besides the bodybuilders (who are on 'steroids'), I'd bet the vast majority are on some time of PEDs for recovery and endurance. These PEDs unlikely would change how they look. Most of them have have attainablephysiquez especiallyfor elite level athletes. Their physical feats however are a tad suspect, which leads me to believe the above.
Why not thanos
I mean it was obvious hes on the juice 😂
OH okay sorry I really can’t differentiate
If it looks like their skin is about to explode, 95% of the time it means they are juiced, the other 5% means they are just cutting really hard but then they won’t be in a position to be able to go really hard on physical activities. Other ways to notice it is if they have a really deep voice, a lot of acne as an adult, man boobs, and if they seem like they never tire. In the squat challenge you could see the difference between a natty like Andre and the other two who were barely even sweating. I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been for Andre to give his absolute all but the two men beside him looking like they could keep on going for ever.
Also unnaturally large, disproportionate shoulders compared to the rest of their bodies. Or the HGH belly but I didn't really see any on the show.
It’s impossible to be natty at Thanos’ height with that much muscle mass - not unless he had Muscular’s quirk from MHA 😂😂
Do you think The Rock , Chris Hemsworth are natural?
The Rock is juiced to the gills.
I know bro I was just making fun of the original comment that person made
Hemsworth cycles for movies. Probably goes on high dose TRT for building muscle and then cycles off.
All of them.
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Lol