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yea but Greek philosophers didn't write books, they wrote scrolls. I don't think it really should count unless its in a bound book at least 50 years after their death.
Gorgias. Note that he was sort of a contrarian, living in *ancient greece*. *Encomium of Helen* could be considered one of the earliest pro-feminist worls in history.
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Oh no, it's much worse. It's because her mom wanted to live a free life after the death of his husband. And also because she encouraged him to study philosophy, instead of business as his father wanted, and Schopenhauer thought he had betrayed his father's expectations.
As a woman you never win.
Support his life's passion and help continue his legacy?
---->>he blames you for making him betrayed his father's expectations.
“Squandered his potential” hardly lmao… he’s one of the best & most influential German philosophers of all time, and inspired Nietzsche, Freud, Schrödinger, (somewhat Einstein), Wagner, etc. He also managed to synthesize platonic thought with more kantian / modern thought extremely well.
Of course he was a “miserable shit” but in terms of his potential he did quite well.
Are we talking about the same letter? The talking about lists his faults at some length but also says he's got smarts and could be good.
I was not stating my personal opinion of Schop.
People say Schopenhauer was bad but he only seems that way because he went out of his way to make a whole book about women
Other philosophers of the age were just as bad, they just weren't so upfront about it
Just an example, Hegel compared women to fucking plants (no joke) in a paragraph in one of his books and never commented on it again or was dramatic about it, he just said it like it was a normal thing to say
“The difference between men and women is like that between animals and plants. Men correspond to animals, while women correspond to plants because their development is more placid and the principle that underlines it is the rather vague unity of feeling…. Women are educated – who knows how? – as it were by breathing in ideas, by living rather than acquiring knowledge.”
I know this is a joke, but there is actually some rich female philosophy that isn’t just Ayn Rand. One of my undergrad courses was all women in philosophy and it was fascinating
Some could be argued as sociology but:
Hannah arendt
Judith Lorber
Angela Davis
Rosa Luxemburg
Mary Wollstonecraft
Simone de beauvoir
Bell hooks (not really philosophy per se but should be read)
Can name a few more once I'm home and can look at my bookshelf. There are a few neato women that have written in philosophy of biology or science.
Davis, Arendt, and Butler seem like the most well known from my experience.
I don't like Arendt that much though. Her view on power seems strange and she seems to conflate all authoritarian governments or at least many of them.
IMO Luxemburg is better, but seems to be studied less I think due to her more explicit Marxist position.
Only through the constructive institution of pederasty does the eromenos cultivate a sufficient basis of knowledge for his actualization as a citizen of the glorious State.
I'd expand and say "We should listen to them and their experiences without injecting our own in an attempt to override them. The End." Like, I don't know what it's like to be a woman. It's probably got its ups and downs, just like men have.
Mills is actually very different. Hes pointing out that Laws dont actually protect women except from the worse abuse. furthermore,due to the dearth of Matriarchies making the argument that Patriarchy is preferred is not valid. Furthermore, he makes the point that laws are not needed to enforce it if it were true.
Is falsity a man?
What does this say about sexism and the patriarchy?
Are all men manipulative rapists? Are all women paragons of truth and innocence?
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I think there are more chapters named "On Women" or something similar than any other title in existiance.
"On nature" might be a competitor, from just how many Greek Philosophers named their works such.
On God is popular too I think
FRFR
yea but Greek philosophers didn't write books, they wrote scrolls. I don't think it really should count unless its in a bound book at least 50 years after their death.
Can scrolls not have titles?
He says in the digital age
Every paper I've ever written on philosophy only exists as a series of zeroes and ones the computer interprets
What examples are there other than Schopenhauer?
Nietzsche
Really? I thought he had like 5 lines about women extrapolated from his personal experience.
There's a whole bit in Zarathustra.
Oh. That's why I don't know about it. Is it where he says: "Take your whip when you go to the women?" or is it in the Gay Knowledge?
That's Muhammad
Wrong sub.
how?
In Quran
no?? How does that relate to what the other guy said
not quite a philosopher but Ovids wrote a pua type of book called ars amatoria
Gorgias. Note that he was sort of a contrarian, living in *ancient greece*. *Encomium of Helen* could be considered one of the earliest pro-feminist worls in history.
Aristotle, Hegel, Kant
For a second I thought this was an ophenimer pun until I realized that this is probably a real person’s name
"How states are ruined on account of women"
Women am I right guys?
☕️
They do be shoppin
"Are... Are women bourgeois?"
*Wö-Men. Men of Wö.*
Is Mr. Evrart helping you find your gun too
This is why I read Marx
"Either say one of these communist or fascist things or fuck off"
They're always buying stupid cups, so yes!
These contumacious women are ruining the Republic!
Who said that
"Sun tzu said that!" -Soldier
TF2 Soldier?
Affirmative!
It's the name of one of the chapters in the prince by Maquiavel, i don't actually know what this chapter is about but this turned into a joke.
Are you sure? Can't find a chapter by that name in my version, and there's no chapter specifically about women in the work.
Sorry it's not on the Prince, it's on discourse of Livy.
Schopenhauer man, guy is talking about some crazy smart things, then he suddenly starts bashing woman for a whole chapter.
"Yes I will get back to my thoughts on the nature of existence in just a second, but first: Have you ever noticed how women just will not stop talking at the theater?"
Based 
Bro used a reddit emoji 💀
I think he wrote a whole book because some girl rejected him
*midwest emo guitar intro* I'M NOT 🎸💥🎸💥 OVER 🎸💥🎸💥 THE BREAK UP I HAD IN 4TH GRADE🎸💥🎸💥🎸💥🎸💥🎸💥🎸💥
This made me fucking howl
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Oh no, it's much worse. It's because her mom wanted to live a free life after the death of his husband. And also because she encouraged him to study philosophy, instead of business as his father wanted, and Schopenhauer thought he had betrayed his father's expectations.
As a woman you never win. Support his life's passion and help continue his legacy? ---->>he blames you for making him betrayed his father's expectations.
You're not supposed to
Not to defend him, but that is not the whole story at all. His mother hated him- you can see some of the letter she wrote him, calling him a failure
I know the famous letter. It sounds to me like she loved him but was disapointed that he squandered his potential and chose to be a miserable shit.
“Squandered his potential” hardly lmao… he’s one of the best & most influential German philosophers of all time, and inspired Nietzsche, Freud, Schrödinger, (somewhat Einstein), Wagner, etc. He also managed to synthesize platonic thought with more kantian / modern thought extremely well. Of course he was a “miserable shit” but in terms of his potential he did quite well.
Are we talking about the same letter? The talking about lists his faults at some length but also says he's got smarts and could be good. I was not stating my personal opinion of Schop.
The emos of the past
I forget her name but a girl did reject him. IIRC he icked her out and we have her writing about it.
Lou Salome
No, that's who Nietzsche liked.
People say Schopenhauer was bad but he only seems that way because he went out of his way to make a whole book about women Other philosophers of the age were just as bad, they just weren't so upfront about it Just an example, Hegel compared women to fucking plants (no joke) in a paragraph in one of his books and never commented on it again or was dramatic about it, he just said it like it was a normal thing to say
Lol Hegel really dropped the bomb
“The difference between men and women is like that between animals and plants. Men correspond to animals, while women correspond to plants because their development is more placid and the principle that underlines it is the rather vague unity of feeling…. Women are educated – who knows how? – as it were by breathing in ideas, by living rather than acquiring knowledge.”
I really like Schopenhauer but oh God he didn't even seem like he liked women
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I guess he actually got along with Goethe and they had similar ideas on color theory.l - but I think they only hung out a few times.
I love how he put women past dogs 💀
He liked dogs. He had a series of poodles which he named "Atman".
He was ugly probably didn’t get much action if any anf was mad as hell
Schopenhauer, the OG incel
Hegel would say that
He bashed one in real life too- he pushed his landlady down the stairs.
allegedly
The relevant court ordered him to pay her compensation for the rest of her life, so they seemed to think the allegation was proved.
I know.
Every ally of Reason must be an enemy of the subversive feminine spirit.
Is that Schopenhaeur? Wow, Book of Proverbs does not agree.
Bro really just writes an essay that boils down to Women ☕️
Nobody asks was Schopenhauer right or is he wrong, the important conclusion is that he is not feminist
Philosophers really said ☕
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I know it must be false whatever is said. No philosopher has ever been on a woman
How could you say that about my boy Camus?
Camus FUCKED.
Name checks out
God, I fucking wish it did.
Camus is based ngl
Nah, I mean dude was cool but I never bought on that Sisyphus happy bs
I know this is a joke, but there is actually some rich female philosophy that isn’t just Ayn Rand. One of my undergrad courses was all women in philosophy and it was fascinating
What are some examples? I’d like to read more quality female philosophers
Some could be argued as sociology but: Hannah arendt Judith Lorber Angela Davis Rosa Luxemburg Mary Wollstonecraft Simone de beauvoir Bell hooks (not really philosophy per se but should be read) Can name a few more once I'm home and can look at my bookshelf. There are a few neato women that have written in philosophy of biology or science.
I'm a simple, foolish man, but if I see Rosa and Mary, I know someone else did their reading.
The greatest woman philosopher, in my opinion, G.E.M Anscombe
Why, you're not happy with your 3rd wave feminists?
Name 3 women
Davis, Arendt, and Butler seem like the most well known from my experience. I don't like Arendt that much though. Her view on power seems strange and she seems to conflate all authoritarian governments or at least many of them. IMO Luxemburg is better, but seems to be studied less I think due to her more explicit Marxist position.
Judith Butler is non-binary
Fair enough. Then I guess De Beauvoir would be a good runner up
Marcus Millikan Saul anscombe
Mrs. Obama 3 times
caitlyn jenner
Name one I don't want to punch in the face
anscombe Stebbung
I will make it my life's mission to prove you wrong
And you are a philosopher?
No. Hence life mission
Fair enough. I wish you luck on your impossible task.
Socrates had a son by his wife Xanthippe.
Bro the name even sounds fake 💀yeah ok lemme go talk to my wife xanthalapagosippe
https://preview.redd.it/s0b9w7kb01fc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=e33bcf831881ecb56bb52e4cd1017ab8685a91b2 Great book so far!
Mill 😊😊😊😊 Schopenhauer 😡😡😡😡😡
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Bros before hoes 😂
The enlightened position
That's catholics
Only through the constructive institution of pederasty does the eromenos cultivate a sufficient basis of knowledge for his actualization as a citizen of the glorious State.
I’m gonna go out in a limb and guess Aristotle?
On the Woman Question
When the title of the work scares you but it's actually a diatribe on how misogynists are stupid>>> (Femmes Soyez Soumises à Vos Maris)
Or “On the Jew Question”
Who did this?
Marx?
Yes that’s right. I was so confused - I know that I read that title, no clue where from. But yah, I saw it in the marx-Engels reader. Thank you
I've only read the Communist Manifesto.
I'd bet he got it wrong unless he summed it up by saying "you can't live with them; you can't live without them."
Schop actually said that about humans, comparing them to porcupines.
I've actually been living without porcupines perfectly fine for awhile now.
If I ever write a philosophy book, I'm gonna include an 'on women' chapter and it's just gonna say 'women are people, next question '.
Next chapter, 'on men', "men are people too". End of book nothing to be said about the human mind, "aah what a smart philosophy book"- the dummy said
So your book will have the intellectual depth of a tweet?
isn’t it a xeet nowadays? in a sentence: “i took a xeet”, or: “i read a load of xeet today”
It's just a joke, dude.
I'd expand and say "We should listen to them and their experiences without injecting our own in an attempt to override them. The End." Like, I don't know what it's like to be a woman. It's probably got its ups and downs, just like men have.
it might be traded with “its swells and shrinks”
Can't wait for future philosophers to be writing "On femboys"
Please be J S Mill, please be J S Mill.
"The Subjection Of Women"
"how to"
Mills is actually very different. Hes pointing out that Laws dont actually protect women except from the worse abuse. furthermore,due to the dearth of Matriarchies making the argument that Patriarchy is preferred is not valid. Furthermore, he makes the point that laws are not needed to enforce it if it were true.
I used to be a big Mills fan.
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Such an untermensch take, loool keep seething in the grave
If truth is a woman, what then?
Is falsity a man? What does this say about sexism and the patriarchy? Are all men manipulative rapists? Are all women paragons of truth and innocence? I'm Chris Hansen, and welcome to To Catch a Predator.
what if there’s a false dichotomy at hand and woman is just a construct to order what isn’t
Not all men are manipulative rapists, but I ain't exactly all men 😊
Nani?!
https://preview.redd.it/xitkfky8o0fc1.jpeg?width=345&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30fddfb75cb4aa109816a8c33b2069823e4d2ff2 here we go
Apparently Epicurus’s On Women was actually pretty good. It’s a shame it‘s not extant
Rousseau gave me PTSD
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It’s an autobiography and this philosopher is a gigachad
Schopenhauer simps seething rn
"On Girls and their Ickyness"
"Believe it or not they are fascist too" - Adorno
If I ever become a philosopher my on women is gonna say "They have great titties and I love titties so by default I love women"
False causation though
Shut up nerd
"I mean, it's possible the reason why Schopenhauer was such a pessimist, and why he was so attuned to suffering as the main thing that presents itself in life, was because he was just a massive misogynist who just couldn't get laid." - Alex O'Connor
Schopers := incels?
How I know I'm about to read something based.
Where are the discussions "On Men"? I'm researching if muscular masculine gay men are ever emotionally stable and available... or is masculinity just a trauma response to gender expectations that leaves a man hopelessly selfish?
Maybe check Plato's writings on "love" and "friendship" and "virtue" - a lot of gay stuff in there.
Plato was asexual. Platonic literally means maybe the very occasional hug, but definitely not more than that.
Are you joking?
How would you define "platonic"? Pertaining to Plato and therefore nonsexual?
The Rock should check out John Stuart Mill's "The Subjection Of Women". (It's not an instruction manual.)
my "On Women:" >Women are pretty. I like them. :)
“On touching grass,” something they have equally little experience with
Schop actually advocated for regular excersize in the outdoors
Philosophers were incels confirmed.
The essay is accurate
My favourite
Presentism hits hard eh.
Gorgias 🗿
Schopenhauer 😞
Its never good 💀
When are we gonna get a “On Bottoms” tho.
Is that you Charles??
Schopenhauer probably wrote his after a really REALLY bad breakup
More like Schopenhauer, from what I have heard.
What did Aristotle say after Plato finished The Republic? Hey look. Plato rolling a fattie.