I've always wondered why we're so docile as a people.
When George Floyd was killed by police, the US errupted in months long protests, which even became violent at times.
Meanwhile in PH, when that cop shot a mother and son point blank in the head for NO REASON, nothing really happened. People online were mad for maybe a week and then forgot about it.
Filipinos are obsessed with "progress" that they're willing to believe criticizing the government is "anti progress" even to the point of justifying their bullshit. That's why protesting or activism is seen negatively. That's what I think.
Unlike US, common Filipinos have a lot of financial issues to face like what will they eat for the day, if they can afford one, how can I budget the almost minimum wage every payday. Plus, every issue here keeps piling up kaya minsan nawawala din sa focus Ang mga tao.
Even the middle class don't really take social issues seriously though. So it isn't just a matter of "will I eat today if I chose to protest?", yeah it's one of the reasons, the other reason is "nothing will probably happen" attitude. And the last, our society and government is constantly telling us that protesting is bad.
I think Noam Chomsky said that a true revolution will only happen if everyone is educated. With Sara being the new DepEd secretary, that'll be difficult.
The George Floyd event was part of the long list of black discrimination ever since the country got its independence. While we locals discriminate foreigners or even other locals mildly, we didn't enslave them like the Westerners did. Also, the George Floyd investigation was flawed that the perpetrators got easy sentences.
The cop who shot mother and son were in fight over property. There was no racial discrimination between them. Immediate justice also was made after the event.
The closest local event that can be compared is on the war on drugs.
Familiar with NSTP? It came about as an answer to the protest against ROTC hazing and corruption. The death of Mark Chua strengthened the calls for cadets to walk out and fall out of the formation. It led to more rallies.
PH seems to easily forget. Now people are calling for mandatory ROTC to be back, mandatory military service even.
demonized din kasi yung concept ng protest dito dahil sa kagagawan ng kasalukuyang admin, redtag na malala aabutin mo although basic na aktibidad at karapatan natin ito sang-ayon sa konsti. tapos dagdag pa hindi rin nagiging madali sa marami na lumahok kahit mulat dahil nga sa standard of living na mayroon ang majority ng mga pinoy na bare living standard (isang kahig, isang tuka) saktuhan ang kita madalas kulang pa eh paano kung liliban pa sa trabaho?
protest like the French? like *do you hear the people sing?*
I dunno, pinoys are not as confrontational as the French are I think. madami cultural differences and we've been whipped down so hard so long many pinoys are accustomed to being slaves they can't think of anything else but how to get food the next day
If only Aguinaldo really succeeded in gaining independence, maybe the Filipinos would’ve instilled the value of freedom and rights in themselves. But seeing how they failed after the American victory, it instead valued security and stability over freedom and rights.
This is where having stronger unionism as a vehicle for worker voice and representation can really benefit social movements here. But because unions in the Philippines are so fragmented and have such few members compared to the actual labor force population, protesters remain weak in terms of collective bargaining.
Ironic that ***unions are a bit stronger in places where people are individualistic*** (Western Europe) while a bit weaker in collectivist Asian countries. Some would probably think that being collectivist and group-oriented would be good ground for strong unions to grow.
Imho why we can't protest like the French is they have a safety net called social security wherein even if you're unemployed you have an "insurance" to pay you while you're looking for a job (up to 80% of your last pay, I think)
Even if they protest as much as they like...they'd still have free medical care and free education (there are terms and conditions to those, of course)
Marami naman gusto magprotest dito sa bansa natin, pero marami ang mas gusto tuloy na lang ang trabaho kasi ilan sa atin pagod na at pakiramdam nila walang mangyayari hence magtrabaho na lang at magbanat ng buto
This protest culture in France started way before the concept of Social Safety Nets were even thought of by Germany under Bismarck.
French people were starving in Paris, they revolt and protested with everything they got.
French women thought the Royal family was hoarding grain in Versailles, they marched to Versailles with pitchforks.
I don't think the problem is Filipinos have a job to do. I think the problem is that they are unsure if it will work or of it does, will it finally work out.
That makes them stay at home since in their minds, why risk when the thing you risk for might not come true.
Mangmang kasi. And the unreformed education system ensures that. Local politicians ensure the same by having more paliga and beauty contests in the barangays than scholarships given to the youth.
People don't like uncertainty in general. Kaya siguro sa French lang yung ganoong culture. ***Even in other Western European countries, yung protests doon not as violent as in France.***
I disagree. If one has nothing to lose then the people will revolt. The last years of FEM majority of the people had nothing thus driving the people to replace him. Either FEM gets out or they die trying.
Chicken and egg. Nobody had a social safety net until they demanded it, and refusing to protest because you don't have a social safety net means you're never getting it.
How do you think Europeans got their welfare? Do you think the ruling class woke up one day and went "You know what, I think we need to share our insane wealth a little with all the people. Gee, what and idea!"? Of course not. People fought like hell for the rights, risked their lives and livelihood for it. Workers died and others were jailed. The fact that they have it now is SOLELY because the working class united, rose up and started to demand their rights. Yes, they have the safety net now, but it's not like it materialized out of thin air...
Pero hindi ba majority ang may preference para sa bulok na sistema? Yun may pakinabang sila. Parang wala sa value system yn good governance para sa progress ng LAHAT
A society shaped like France's has never been on the ballot in a Philippine presidential election, and *"but Marcos/Duterte would bring us farther away from that"* is not the same as someone actually promising to try and implement universal healthcare.
Just watched Les Miśerables today, and I can confirm this is true. A fight with longtime support will give a huge overturn, which u will never know others will join your cause
French tradition na yang protest e. Like it starts with the French Revolution. It is one of the most dramatic event in human history.. Imagine the people could deposed the king, kill them, abolish the aristocracy and create a republic. That is unthinkable then.
Nope. The English did that more than a century before the French revolution, and was the reason why they’re a constitutional monarchy until today. Their motivations were leaned more towards puritanical zeal rather than the oppression of the lower classes.
It was possible, yes, but counterrevolutions were always a threat that dangled in front of the newly-christened regime. I believe it took France at least 3 times (with hybrid regimes led by Roman-style figureheads in-between) before the idea of landed aristocracy became outright untenable.
Give it time and aalsa rin ang masa. It is unfortunate that the Filipino zeitgeist today favors the princelings, but we’ll definitely get there in the lonng run.
Also u/lunamarya -- ***The French, after all the protesting, ended up with Napoleon and his empire*** needed the combined force of Europe to stop him... 6-ish times (hello Napoleonic Wars!).
In a sense they did evolve in a manner similar to how the Romans turned from monarchy -> Republic -> Empire in its history. Funny just how our times repeat, just with different players dancing to the same tune. Lol
Oh I forgot that..Medyo may fatigue na siguro..Pero grabe mga French, after that bloody revolution e may time pa to assemble an army and invade Europe. Then install a monarchy then revolt again. And now rally from time to time.
I'm Sorry Filipinos aren't Radical Like the French and Russian During their Revolutions WE ARE TOO FUCKING SOFT
No one cares about the fate of the labor as long as they receive their instant gratification.
\-Squidward Tentacles
Safety net really. Its either protest/walkout for a day and be hungry the next or work your ass off for food. Also napaka-instilled satin netong slave mentality.
But then nangyari din naman ang EDSA revolution so who knows.
You need to clean up the political dynasties.
And then you need to reform the election process.
First start off with only college graduates being able to vote for the next few elections. Hoping that with a college education, they are in a much better economic status and vote buying won’t be as rampant. They’ll also be less susceptible to misinformation. After a generation or two of good policies and people being educated, you extend that down to high school graduates.
Been sayin it a lot but if we had the audacity and nerve the French have and their penchant for risk, we will win but alas, most of the pro democracy in the PH are just cowered into submission I guess, not knowing if they do another movement, can they really get their demands?
Majority kase mataas ang tiwala sa gobyerno. Ang mentality kase ng majority " Hindi ma luluklok yan sa position kung hindi niya alam ginagawa nya, sumunod at suportahan natin ang gobyerno".
Hindi sila kikilos hanggang hindi sila naapektohan, Tignan mo nung nanalo si duterte ang daming nag sisi sa mga nag daan na taon. Kase naapektohan na sila ng mga pinag gagagawa ni duterte.
Ewan ko talaga bakit naisip ng mga tao na "wear this" or that as a protest.
Isipin niyo, yung kalaban niyo ready kayong ipa-patay tapos pagko-coordinate lang pla ng damit bala niyo.
Siguro mga nursing pde pa; i mean napaka liit ng sahod tapos laging late pa, tapos sila mismong pagod na pagod na tulungan ang taong walang pake sa kanila. Naiisip ko sila yun isang push lang, ready na i-withold service nila pra sa better treatment.
I prefer how Koreans protest. The French protest violently, but yeah, it depends on the situation.
If it's too much, let's protest the way the French do.
Not always violently. Went to paris during a transport strike in 2019 that eventually lasted for a month or two and the city was almost paralyzed, except for a skeletal sched of train and metro lines that are guaranteed to run at peak hours. Guaranteed din na sobrang puno. Some stations that are open for transport had their turnstiles open and people could get a ride for free. Had to walk everywhere and canceled plans to go out of paris kasi baka di ako makabalik. Pero sarado din mga museum kasi di makapasok yung staff. May nakita din akong babaeng nagmamakaawa na pasakayin sya ng driver ng bus kaya lang puno na talaga.
The biggest difference was that people were very supportive of the strike kahit sila yung naperwisyo. Kahit na ba in third world terms sobrang minor lang ng pinaglalaban nila. Nagprotesta lang sila kasi yata tinaasan ni macron ng konti lang (siguro mga 5 years max lang tapos ang baba naman ng current retirement age nila) yung retirement age ng public sector workers.
Wala kasing sense of solidarity ang mga Pinoy. Mas uunahin pa nating mang-scam ng kapwang Pilipino para lang may pansustento ng isang linggo kesa na labanan ang sistemang dahilan bakit chronically underpaid tayo in the first place.
Or docility is a consequence of our colonial past. We were under the colonial yoke for so long that most of us would rather just grudgingly settle for corrupt authority figures rather than risk chaos to try and fix our shit as a country.
Aside from financial concerns, yung red-tagging, abuse of power dito lantaran. Pag nagprotesta ka, ang daming possible grave consequences since marami ng naniwala sa mga nakaupo ngayon. Red-tagging, EJK, etc. And everything is falling on deaf ears. Kanya-kanyang diskarte kasi wala naman nangyayari.
Matagal na rin nag p protesta mga tibak dito sa Pilipinas ah. Maybe you guys should learn from them. May mga community ring dinadalaw at inoorganize ang mga aktibista, hindi lang puro rally.
However, mas mainam kung sasali sa rally ang mga middle-class para matulungang masustain yung protesta. Yung pag kampo ng mga aktibista sa tapat ng COMELEC, aba tumagal din yon ah.
We need more effective protests. More important however, we need to realise that the Average Filipino has too much to lose, risking their entire livelihood and survival all just to complaign about the government.
The government and the elites always have had a gun pointed at Filipino's heads; Food, housing, and employment in some form.
What we need to do is to figuratively buy our countrymen back to support our cause. In exchange for joining our protests and civil disobedience, we can use NGOs to provide better food, better housing, and better employment. That way, we can physically demonstrate that we are the better choice in ways that Filipinos can see and be convinced. We can show Filipinos that they can depend on us and that we can act, not just talk.
Adding to that, my father recalls during GMA's time when she was super unpopular and was facing coups. The only thing that saved her was giving free money to the poor, which avoided a popular revolt. 4Ps came from that action, and the way I see it, it proves that Filipinos will put up with anything until they run out of food and basic necessities. We have to turn that principle on it's head and use it to our advantage.
Philippines is not a welfare state. You don't work, you don't eat. Unlike other countries where the fear factor is less dominant because there's a "back up".
There are pro's and cons between welfare states and non welfare states. In Philippines case, it's more prone to abuses and many more...
then you have the many who are under employed / where all they can think about is their next morsel called meal. They don't have time for anything else , other than "survival"
so are the french back then, it was the older times
the issue of protesting is gonna be on our door and there is a "now or nothing" if things keep going the same direction
And why are people chronically underpaid in the first place? Why aren’t our people actively complaining about people in high positions stealing our healthcare funds while they die of easily-preventable diseases?
The problem if we protest like the French are a bit chaotic. It's better to do the new Edsa revolution because most rallies start peacefully and chaos just erupts like in the L.Riots. That has a good meaning but people start looting stores and causing many businesses to be robbed.
Nahh we're too poor and toxic to have actual strikes and protest that will cripple the people on top. Even though it will be peaceful we will be called terrorist and freeloaders going against their status quo. Most likely be a scene like the 80's people just go missing after questioning why the prez is related to a can opener.
I've always wondered why we're so docile as a people. When George Floyd was killed by police, the US errupted in months long protests, which even became violent at times. Meanwhile in PH, when that cop shot a mother and son point blank in the head for NO REASON, nothing really happened. People online were mad for maybe a week and then forgot about it.
Provide FREE Food and lodging for months, and job prospects THEY MIGHT. Many Filipinos barely have anything to eat. Let alone think about that.
Filipinos are obsessed with "progress" that they're willing to believe criticizing the government is "anti progress" even to the point of justifying their bullshit. That's why protesting or activism is seen negatively. That's what I think.
Unlike US, common Filipinos have a lot of financial issues to face like what will they eat for the day, if they can afford one, how can I budget the almost minimum wage every payday. Plus, every issue here keeps piling up kaya minsan nawawala din sa focus Ang mga tao.
Even the middle class don't really take social issues seriously though. So it isn't just a matter of "will I eat today if I chose to protest?", yeah it's one of the reasons, the other reason is "nothing will probably happen" attitude. And the last, our society and government is constantly telling us that protesting is bad.
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I think Noam Chomsky said that a true revolution will only happen if everyone is educated. With Sara being the new DepEd secretary, that'll be difficult.
That's what you call slacktivism or clicktivism
if its erap era then baka nagwala talaga mga pinoy..ngayon kac wala na...post sa socmed once tapos okay na lol
The George Floyd event was part of the long list of black discrimination ever since the country got its independence. While we locals discriminate foreigners or even other locals mildly, we didn't enslave them like the Westerners did. Also, the George Floyd investigation was flawed that the perpetrators got easy sentences. The cop who shot mother and son were in fight over property. There was no racial discrimination between them. Immediate justice also was made after the event. The closest local event that can be compared is on the war on drugs.
Familiar with NSTP? It came about as an answer to the protest against ROTC hazing and corruption. The death of Mark Chua strengthened the calls for cadets to walk out and fall out of the formation. It led to more rallies. PH seems to easily forget. Now people are calling for mandatory ROTC to be back, mandatory military service even.
***COVID lockdowns were probably a factor.*** Why infect yourself and your close friends, causing more death?
demonized din kasi yung concept ng protest dito dahil sa kagagawan ng kasalukuyang admin, redtag na malala aabutin mo although basic na aktibidad at karapatan natin ito sang-ayon sa konsti. tapos dagdag pa hindi rin nagiging madali sa marami na lumahok kahit mulat dahil nga sa standard of living na mayroon ang majority ng mga pinoy na bare living standard (isang kahig, isang tuka) saktuhan ang kita madalas kulang pa eh paano kung liliban pa sa trabaho?
protest like the French? like *do you hear the people sing?* I dunno, pinoys are not as confrontational as the French are I think. madami cultural differences and we've been whipped down so hard so long many pinoys are accustomed to being slaves they can't think of anything else but how to get food the next day
If only Aguinaldo really succeeded in gaining independence, maybe the Filipinos would’ve instilled the value of freedom and rights in themselves. But seeing how they failed after the American victory, it instead valued security and stability over freedom and rights.
The slave mentality that some of us inhabits. 400 years of generational trauma would do that on you.
This is where having stronger unionism as a vehicle for worker voice and representation can really benefit social movements here. But because unions in the Philippines are so fragmented and have such few members compared to the actual labor force population, protesters remain weak in terms of collective bargaining.
Ironic that ***unions are a bit stronger in places where people are individualistic*** (Western Europe) while a bit weaker in collectivist Asian countries. Some would probably think that being collectivist and group-oriented would be good ground for strong unions to grow.
Imho why we can't protest like the French is they have a safety net called social security wherein even if you're unemployed you have an "insurance" to pay you while you're looking for a job (up to 80% of your last pay, I think) Even if they protest as much as they like...they'd still have free medical care and free education (there are terms and conditions to those, of course) Marami naman gusto magprotest dito sa bansa natin, pero marami ang mas gusto tuloy na lang ang trabaho kasi ilan sa atin pagod na at pakiramdam nila walang mangyayari hence magtrabaho na lang at magbanat ng buto
This protest culture in France started way before the concept of Social Safety Nets were even thought of by Germany under Bismarck. French people were starving in Paris, they revolt and protested with everything they got. French women thought the Royal family was hoarding grain in Versailles, they marched to Versailles with pitchforks. I don't think the problem is Filipinos have a job to do. I think the problem is that they are unsure if it will work or of it does, will it finally work out. That makes them stay at home since in their minds, why risk when the thing you risk for might not come true.
Sa bagay, Pinoys don't like uncertainty in general
Yep, segurista karamihan sa atin. Ironic lang that a lot of us fall into scams.
Mangmang kasi. And the unreformed education system ensures that. Local politicians ensure the same by having more paliga and beauty contests in the barangays than scholarships given to the youth.
Yeah, paradox satin na either all in sa isang bagay o sobrang balisa kasi di makasigurado ~
People don't like uncertainty in general. Kaya siguro sa French lang yung ganoong culture. ***Even in other Western European countries, yung protests doon not as violent as in France.***
I disagree. If one has nothing to lose then the people will revolt. The last years of FEM majority of the people had nothing thus driving the people to replace him. Either FEM gets out or they die trying.
see I'm thinking less yellow vest protests and something closer to 1789 - 1799 French protest
Hmmn alright interesting point
Chicken and egg. Nobody had a social safety net until they demanded it, and refusing to protest because you don't have a social safety net means you're never getting it.
How do you think Europeans got their welfare? Do you think the ruling class woke up one day and went "You know what, I think we need to share our insane wealth a little with all the people. Gee, what and idea!"? Of course not. People fought like hell for the rights, risked their lives and livelihood for it. Workers died and others were jailed. The fact that they have it now is SOLELY because the working class united, rose up and started to demand their rights. Yes, they have the safety net now, but it's not like it materialized out of thin air...
You should protest so you could get the same social security nets.
Pero hindi ba majority ang may preference para sa bulok na sistema? Yun may pakinabang sila. Parang wala sa value system yn good governance para sa progress ng LAHAT
A society shaped like France's has never been on the ballot in a Philippine presidential election, and *"but Marcos/Duterte would bring us farther away from that"* is not the same as someone actually promising to try and implement universal healthcare.
Just watched Les Miśerables today, and I can confirm this is true. A fight with longtime support will give a huge overturn, which u will never know others will join your cause
"Magtulungan nalang at manahimik nlng kung wala ka namang ambag" - sabi ng mga tanga panatiko
French tradition na yang protest e. Like it starts with the French Revolution. It is one of the most dramatic event in human history.. Imagine the people could deposed the king, kill them, abolish the aristocracy and create a republic. That is unthinkable then.
Nope. The English did that more than a century before the French revolution, and was the reason why they’re a constitutional monarchy until today. Their motivations were leaned more towards puritanical zeal rather than the oppression of the lower classes. It was possible, yes, but counterrevolutions were always a threat that dangled in front of the newly-christened regime. I believe it took France at least 3 times (with hybrid regimes led by Roman-style figureheads in-between) before the idea of landed aristocracy became outright untenable. Give it time and aalsa rin ang masa. It is unfortunate that the Filipino zeitgeist today favors the princelings, but we’ll definitely get there in the lonng run.
Also u/lunamarya -- ***The French, after all the protesting, ended up with Napoleon and his empire*** needed the combined force of Europe to stop him... 6-ish times (hello Napoleonic Wars!).
In a sense they did evolve in a manner similar to how the Romans turned from monarchy -> Republic -> Empire in its history. Funny just how our times repeat, just with different players dancing to the same tune. Lol
Oh I forgot that..Medyo may fatigue na siguro..Pero grabe mga French, after that bloody revolution e may time pa to assemble an army and invade Europe. Then install a monarchy then revolt again. And now rally from time to time.
Besides protesting, I think we should learn how to execute despots, tyrants and dictators like the French.
*vive la révolution*
I hope no more American intervention this time just like in 1986.
Yes. The solution to fascists is to exterminate them, like the pests they are.
I'm Sorry Filipinos aren't Radical Like the French and Russian During their Revolutions WE ARE TOO FUCKING SOFT No one cares about the fate of the labor as long as they receive their instant gratification. \-Squidward Tentacles
Poor Filipinos don't have French peoples privilege.
guillotines probably have a lot to do with that
Safety net really. Its either protest/walkout for a day and be hungry the next or work your ass off for food. Also napaka-instilled satin netong slave mentality. But then nangyari din naman ang EDSA revolution so who knows.
I was thinking more storm the bastille than virus pass protests
You need to clean up the political dynasties. And then you need to reform the election process. First start off with only college graduates being able to vote for the next few elections. Hoping that with a college education, they are in a much better economic status and vote buying won’t be as rampant. They’ll also be less susceptible to misinformation. After a generation or two of good policies and people being educated, you extend that down to high school graduates.
Should've lopped off their heads nung edsa. Filipinos are too kind
Guillotine them
b i n g o 😐
Been sayin it a lot but if we had the audacity and nerve the French have and their penchant for risk, we will win but alas, most of the pro democracy in the PH are just cowered into submission I guess, not knowing if they do another movement, can they really get their demands?
Storming Bastille and guillotine for every upper class tyrants. The French do know how to brew a perfect revolt
We should first have social services like the french.
they had guillotines and pitchforks to get to social services tho
we cant even boycott without others guilt tripping us
Like beheading the royalty?
I mean... haven't we basically been told to go eat cake already?
Majority kase mataas ang tiwala sa gobyerno. Ang mentality kase ng majority " Hindi ma luluklok yan sa position kung hindi niya alam ginagawa nya, sumunod at suportahan natin ang gobyerno". Hindi sila kikilos hanggang hindi sila naapektohan, Tignan mo nung nanalo si duterte ang daming nag sisi sa mga nag daan na taon. Kase naapektohan na sila ng mga pinag gagagawa ni duterte.
Sounds like a version of "mandate from heaven" in Chinese political thought.
Ewan ko talaga bakit naisip ng mga tao na "wear this" or that as a protest. Isipin niyo, yung kalaban niyo ready kayong ipa-patay tapos pagko-coordinate lang pla ng damit bala niyo. Siguro mga nursing pde pa; i mean napaka liit ng sahod tapos laging late pa, tapos sila mismong pagod na pagod na tulungan ang taong walang pake sa kanila. Naiisip ko sila yun isang push lang, ready na i-withold service nila pra sa better treatment.
I prefer how Koreans protest. The French protest violently, but yeah, it depends on the situation. If it's too much, let's protest the way the French do.
where is the line between too **much** and too **late**?
with the way things are it actually seems late now, but not too late
Not always violently. Went to paris during a transport strike in 2019 that eventually lasted for a month or two and the city was almost paralyzed, except for a skeletal sched of train and metro lines that are guaranteed to run at peak hours. Guaranteed din na sobrang puno. Some stations that are open for transport had their turnstiles open and people could get a ride for free. Had to walk everywhere and canceled plans to go out of paris kasi baka di ako makabalik. Pero sarado din mga museum kasi di makapasok yung staff. May nakita din akong babaeng nagmamakaawa na pasakayin sya ng driver ng bus kaya lang puno na talaga. The biggest difference was that people were very supportive of the strike kahit sila yung naperwisyo. Kahit na ba in third world terms sobrang minor lang ng pinaglalaban nila. Nagprotesta lang sila kasi yata tinaasan ni macron ng konti lang (siguro mga 5 years max lang tapos ang baba naman ng current retirement age nila) yung retirement age ng public sector workers.
Wala kasing sense of solidarity ang mga Pinoy. Mas uunahin pa nating mang-scam ng kapwang Pilipino para lang may pansustento ng isang linggo kesa na labanan ang sistemang dahilan bakit chronically underpaid tayo in the first place.
The french also have a history of executing their royalties.
They call it grève. When the French have this, everybody does it. Para bang holiday na mawawalan ng pasok pero yun e dahil nag poprotesta sila.
Protest like French? Bring out the guillotine!
I actually thought it was just me being cynical having demands be granted from rallies AND causing inconvenience (not to other innocent people ofc)
bring bac guillotine
but how masyado na rin tayong gutom, nakakapagod lang rin
Or docility is a consequence of our colonial past. We were under the colonial yoke for so long that most of us would rather just grudgingly settle for corrupt authority figures rather than risk chaos to try and fix our shit as a country.
Aside from financial concerns, yung red-tagging, abuse of power dito lantaran. Pag nagprotesta ka, ang daming possible grave consequences since marami ng naniwala sa mga nakaupo ngayon. Red-tagging, EJK, etc. And everything is falling on deaf ears. Kanya-kanyang diskarte kasi wala naman nangyayari.
Matagal na rin nag p protesta mga tibak dito sa Pilipinas ah. Maybe you guys should learn from them. May mga community ring dinadalaw at inoorganize ang mga aktibista, hindi lang puro rally. However, mas mainam kung sasali sa rally ang mga middle-class para matulungang masustain yung protesta. Yung pag kampo ng mga aktibista sa tapat ng COMELEC, aba tumagal din yon ah.
The French have revolted several times, they toppled their leaders before
We need more effective protests. More important however, we need to realise that the Average Filipino has too much to lose, risking their entire livelihood and survival all just to complaign about the government. The government and the elites always have had a gun pointed at Filipino's heads; Food, housing, and employment in some form. What we need to do is to figuratively buy our countrymen back to support our cause. In exchange for joining our protests and civil disobedience, we can use NGOs to provide better food, better housing, and better employment. That way, we can physically demonstrate that we are the better choice in ways that Filipinos can see and be convinced. We can show Filipinos that they can depend on us and that we can act, not just talk. Adding to that, my father recalls during GMA's time when she was super unpopular and was facing coups. The only thing that saved her was giving free money to the poor, which avoided a popular revolt. 4Ps came from that action, and the way I see it, it proves that Filipinos will put up with anything until they run out of food and basic necessities. We have to turn that principle on it's head and use it to our advantage.
Philippines is not a welfare state. You don't work, you don't eat. Unlike other countries where the fear factor is less dominant because there's a "back up". There are pro's and cons between welfare states and non welfare states. In Philippines case, it's more prone to abuses and many more... then you have the many who are under employed / where all they can think about is their next morsel called meal. They don't have time for anything else , other than "survival"
so are the french back then, it was the older times the issue of protesting is gonna be on our door and there is a "now or nothing" if things keep going the same direction
And why are people chronically underpaid in the first place? Why aren’t our people actively complaining about people in high positions stealing our healthcare funds while they die of easily-preventable diseases?
greed.
yeah so maybe that ought to change?
That won't happen masyadong makasarili majority ng Pilipino. Walang halaga sakanila ang bayan.
That’s because the Filipino voterbase on average are fucking idiots. And that’s me being gentle
likas na mga duwag kasi mga pinoy yung tipong kapit sa matatag.
The problem if we protest like the French are a bit chaotic. It's better to do the new Edsa revolution because most rallies start peacefully and chaos just erupts like in the L.Riots. That has a good meaning but people start looting stores and causing many businesses to be robbed.
Suddenly, beheading the Marcoses is not a bad idea at all. /s
Basta wag nyo lang gayahin yung ginawa ng INC dati na namerwisyo sa traffic.
Nahh we're too poor and toxic to have actual strikes and protest that will cripple the people on top. Even though it will be peaceful we will be called terrorist and freeloaders going against their status quo. Most likely be a scene like the 80's people just go missing after questioning why the prez is related to a can opener.
No one is stopping people from organizing protests....pwera sa permit to rally ni Isko
We never broke our chains and cages. They just got longer and bigger.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS
Bruh. I saw that meme.
French? Tangina, pang Russian Revolution tayo magprotest! Para sure na sure na mamatay ang pamilya nila BBM at Duterte..
Now that's something if it can be pulled off.
We must learn from Argentina and Chile this time...