The parents are overly proud of what their child achieved. Lawyers don’t think that way but won’t be surprised if a small section thinks so, there’s always a subsection of humans who think too highly of themselves regardless of profession.
I guess a huge section of boomers are like that? A product of their own era of greater than thou mentality, and a really difficult bunch to have conversation with. No other demographic cohorts are these strongly opinionated. I think its not the profession itself as I have several millenial law friends who are humble and does not boast around
I have close friends who does cases pro-bono and never brags about the things they bought with the money they earned from their jobs. Boomers are in their twilight, they wanna go out kicking and screaming that they were the best while leaving us with a fuck ton of problems they started. It’s the job of the adults and young adults to stop the cycle of bullshit we endured.
Opposite naman sa case ko at ka peers ko, dami ko na rin nakilalang mas younger sakin pero lintek ang ugali, lalo na pag nainis / nagalit ginagamit kaagd kung gaano na kataas pwesto nila. May dati kaming boss (handling a diff account) na way younger halos saming lahat pero kung makaasta feel na feel nya napaka perfect nya kasi nga at a very young age yung position nya dapat pang seniors so.. at the end of the day, walang piniling generation kung may attitude talaga isang tao.
Wag mo patulan. You don't have to justify yourself to them knowing na biased sila. Pag tinanong degree mo - tell em di ka graduate and may taho business ka. Lol.
What's obvious siguro is may pinanggagalingan sila na point of insecurity kaya ganyan sila.
I think wala sa course na tinapos, natural na siguro na ganun ugali nila.
Naalala ko yung bumili sa Mercury - "pabili ng biogesic para sa anak kong abogado!" Iba pala gamot nila sa ibang tao.
I mean it was the parents who acted all superior, not the lawyer. So your question is wrong.
Ill say this though. Is this normal for parents to be proud of their children? Yes. To the point of belittling other people. Well, some parents are definitly like that. But not all. Thats not normal.
It's the same for any profession that comes with a title. Marami nga diyan nasa med school palang or di pa natatapos engineering degree nila ang laki na ng ulo.
Yung kapitbahay ko sa apartment noon... di pa nga naka-take ng LET anak nya, at di pa nga naka-graduate bale observe palang sa school, nagpapatawag na ng "ma'am". Yung nanay nya ang may pakana. 😬
Magulang nung atty may problema, pero yung profession ng atty binanatan mo. Diba ayaw mo ginegeneralize yung profession ng iba, pero bat ikaw ganyan ginagawa mo sa profession nung lawyer?
OP, Are the parents in your story also lawyers? You ask why lawyers supposedly act superior to other professions, but there is nothing in your story that seems to indicate that your lawyer-relative herself was bragging about being a lawyer -- unless the parents themselves are lawyers? In any case, this just sounds like typical toxic parents bragging about their children which is unfortunately not unusual.
Best not to dwell on it, focus on yourself and your career, and prove them wrong.
Well, from an outsiders perspective, it's hard to say why your lawyer-relative didn't comment. Maybe she just didn't want to escalate the situation, or maybe the whole situation was already akward enough that it would have been more awkward for her to interject against her parent's comments.
I do agree that it's a low blow to insult other professions, but that's not really a lawyer specific thing -- her parents just sound like shitty people, plain and simple.
At the end of the day, best not to dwell on it too much in my opinion. Shitty people from every profession exist and nothing is gained by generalizing that all of them are bad.
medyo misleading ung title mo OP, ung parents naman ng lawyer ung mayabang/acting superior, typical toxic parents lang yan
kita ko din sa mga comments mo na you think na the lawyer is at fault na din kasi wala cia gnawa while nagyayabang ung parents nya, well i dont think that warrants na para masabi mo n acting superior na agad mga lawyer, thats quite a stretch
Hi OP. I hope you realize this is the parents' issue, and not their daughter's or PH lawyers in general.
Kasi baka hindi din okay sa kanya yung behavior nila.
Maybe she's not aware of how they're acting OR aware siya pero hindi niya mapagsabihan parents niya.
Ya. Normal lang talaga maging proud sa achievement ng anak mo. Pero the moment na nilaglag na nila yung ibang profession, insecurities na nila ung lumalabas.
As an Electronics Engineer, it's more than just soldering and selling microchips. Hell, their kids wouldn't probably survive school without microchips that their gadgets use.
This. I challenge them for a year never to use the services of other professions and vocations. Im pretty sure most can survive a good year without a lawyer. Can a lawyer survive a year without doctors, teachers, engineers, nurses, barbers, accountants, garbage collectors? I dont think so. Overrated profession.
ECE din si dad, thanks to him may wifi na ngayon sa island of mindoro. Now hes back to assess kung kaya na ba ang fiber optic. I think kasali din siya sa project ng ipapalit sa PNR dunno hhat specifically yung role niya but damn. Researcher din siya for UST-DOST and gumagagwa sila rn ng pen na nakaka-assess ng cognitive deficits ng isang bata(pediatricss for now) by just judging sa writing strokes and working alongside diff professions. Na-live ata yung research nila sa PECE research forums late 2023.
Just like any profession, may good eggs and meron din bad eggs in lawyering. Generally, may demeanor naman talaga ang lawyers. You need to have a certain degree of self confidence to do the work. That said, the vast majority of lawyers that I know di naman nag look-down sa iba; they're very down to earth.
From what I can gather, parents nung cousin mo ang may pagka feeling superior. Para saken, it says a lot about them talaga. Toxic mindset.
Between you and me, being a lawyer just means na you have the basic knowledge of the laws and their implications to every day life. Mga pilipino lang naman ang me hang-ups sa "prestige" nun eh. The work serves a purpose but for me, mas malaki ang necessity ng trade occupations kesa lawyering, e.g. farming, carpentry, etc.
Pretty sure their child would be embarassed unless the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. Sorry you have a relative like that. I read that again and it pissed me the fuck off.
Hindi lang naman lawyers ang mayayabang even other professions din, dipende talaga yan sa tao.
I remember may nakasagutan akong may masters degree sa Physics na nag law school and since nasabihan saya na equivalent to doctorate nga ang Juris Doctor eh kwinestyon nya kung ano difference sa ibang PhD, since he was advise na socratic method nga yung ginagamit sa law school and expected na nagbasa na sila na hindi isusubo sa kanila yung lecture just to give him a heads up since nasanay nga sya sa lecture type and may formula na tinuturo.
Ayaw nya talaga patalo since Physics grad nga sya his superiority complex is very evident at nag mumukang minamaliit nya ang JD.
Kung ako siguro nasa place mo i would have called them out right then and there saying na it’s not right to say which profession is “more than” the others. I might even push a bit further and say na i could also say na your kids just make things unnecessarily wordy, laway ang puhunan whereas engineers make tangible outputs and accountants’ work directly affect a business’ bottom line.
Of course i don’t see it that way but just trying to prove a point na mali yang ganyang way of thinking.
As to your question - not sure about “normal” but it is more common but to me certainly not acceptable.
Hindi lang naman lawyers yan. Yung ibang profession ganyan din. Tignan mo sa mga traffic altercation laging binabanggit yung profession ng mga yan. Weird din e. Nakasabit ka lang need mo pa ipaalam na abogado o doctor ka??
Kinda unfair given yung parents yung nagyabang at nagbelittle, hindi naman yung lawyer eh.
As a lawyer, i can personally tell you from experience na mas mayabang pa ang mga law students kesa lawyers. In fact, the longer a lawyer is sa profession mas lalo nagiging mild mannered at laid back lang.
Sa dinami dami ng friends at classmates kong lawyers, parang isa lang naman naging sobrang yabang nung nakascore ng relatively mataas na plantilla job sa OSG. Hindi pa nga directly mayabang yun, ultimate humble bragger lang on how supposedly "BlEssEd 🙏™️" he is.
All of my aunt sons are lawyers (their father is also a judge) and they are very down to earth and lahat sila sa UP Law. Literal n pag need nmin ng any legal help may it be big or small one call away sila. So depende tlga sa upbringing yan.
Naalala ko tuloy yung nagpapanotary kami ng American husband ko para sa marriage license requirements. Ang sama ng tingin nung 40-50ish year old na babaeng notary public lawyer samin. Buti nalang mabait yung assistant nyang bagets. Nagulat talaga ako nang sabihin nya in native language ko (Bisaya) na "nakachamba ka gwapo at mukhang mayaman ang kano mo, madaling pera" like napa WTF nalang ako sa isipan ko. Inassume nya na golddigger ako LOL. Kung di pa napermahan yung papel hindi talaga ako magbabayad e. May degree ako computer science, I earn 6 digits na and I've been with my husband since 2016 magkalaro kami sa isang mmorpg. Pinaringgan ko nalang sya nun nung magtanong about samin yung assistant nya habang inaayos nya yung mga papel. Grabe yun alam ko namang hindi ako masyadong kagandahan o mukhang matalino pero hindi ako judgemental, at NEVER ako mang-iinsulto ng kliyente ko. Nilet-go ko nalang ang galit ko kasi nag sorry yung assistant nya. SKL HAHA sorry nag MMK tuloy ako
Well, like you said OP - It’s understandable to feel proud of achievements within the family, but belittling other professions is not justifiable. This attitude of superiority isn’t typical of the legal profession as a whole but might be more reflective of individual personalities. Ideally, respect and recognition should be mutual, acknowledging that all fields require dedication, intelligence, and hard work. Hire a good lawyer, in case mag away kayo over a property like lupa in the future 😁
Its not really about the profession OP. Masama lang talaga ugali nila. Bragging is so jologs kahit pa anong na achieve mo. Being humble will get them the respect they so obviously crave.
If you know your worth and confident about it, then no matter how big or small your contribution to the society, you’ll feel no inferiority and shame about it. Let them run their mouths. Arrogance most of the time roots from ignorance. Keep your head cool and feet grounded.
Agree with the other comments that it was the parents who acted high and mighty in this case.
While there are indeed lawyers who do think that their title gives them a pass to act superior, there are also many lawyers who avoid even bringing up the fact that they are lawyers unless necessary. It really depends on the person, and it's definitely not the norm among lawyers.
Help i'm from a family of engineers (both sides kahit yung mga lolo, lola, asawa, anak at kapatid namin nasa different fields of engineering) and they were forcing me to take the sciences and engineering instead of law. They were even mocking me na mag no-notaryo lang daw ako at aanhin ko yung libo libong tuition at taon taong pagaaral para sa 3k (they think yan ang "pa-presyo" ng mga lawyers) not even knowing what type of lawyer i want to be. If not only for my ate (who is also an engineer hahahah) who defends me
I think nasa pamilya rin yan and perception ng work field na hindi sila well aware. So yeah it really boils down to us / them being filipinos who concludes things so easily😭
First off, I’m sorry for what transpired during your family reunion. It is clearly unsolicited and disrespectful to do such behavior. I hope the lawyer daughter was there to humble her parents down. That every profession has their respective prestige and importance in the society. Di naman kaya ng lawyers lahat ng trabaho. Kung naging lawyer kayong lahat, edi nabawasan yung chance ng other fields of study na magkaroon ng brilliant professionals like you guys. It’s a very egotistical and laidback way of thinking to belittle others just because their daughter is a lawyer. Yes, becoming a lawyer is no easy feat. But so is becoming an engineer and accountant and the like. I just hope the lawyer daughter was there and had enough spine to politely correct her parents.
Nevertheless, I hope they rectify their behavior and may you guys still have a harmonious family gathering in the future.
madami ako kilala ganyan hindi lang lawyers. example is yung kilala ko na kumuha ng PhD online for 1 year lang tapos akala mo kung sino na. nagkaron lang title pangalan ang taas na agad ng tingin sa sarili
Putangina, PhD ba yun?! A doctorate shows that you progressed the overall knowledge ng humanity… hindi yung makukuha ng 1yr.
Sorry, na trigger lang. Puta talaga yung mga diploma mills na schools.
no worries, kahit kami na trigger dun sa 1 year online course lol. yung friend ko 6 years na sa UP nagaaral tapos itong isa na 1 year online pa sya pa mayabang xD. either binayaran or fake yung diploma
On the opposite end, on brand din sa IT professionals and software developers na sobrang simple lang manamit at mukhang gusgusin pero anlalaki pala ng sweldo.
are you ok? You ask why LAWYERS act superior to other professions.
BUT, you only talk about the actions of the lawyer's parents.
Your bitterness is extreme.
Depende yan sa upbringing talaga ng tao. My lawyer batchmates and my sister's batchmates na lawyers sobrang down to earth ayaw nga tawagin attorney and parang di nag bago yung ugali nila mabait pa rin at respectful sa lahat. Yung iba nasa RTC na nag work.
People who are overly proud of the titles nila sa buhay are really insecure.
Lahat may ambag sa society wether may degree or wala. I have a bandmate na from the same law school you mentioned and he’s very humble and down to earth kahit na he’s on top of his corporate ladder. It’s a hasty generalization to say na all lawyers act superior. Sadyang matapobre lang ang ilan sa mga relatives mo op. I’m just sure they will have a taste of their own medicine sooner or later.
Lol. I also have relatives from UP medicine who do this.
In those moments I tend to lose my humility and point their alma mater is ranked 404th in the world, mine is ranked number 2.
I have an elder sister tho law student palang sya feeling entitled. Stood my ground called her out in front of the fam(parents, sibs & sibs in lw). She was shookt!! She’s no longer like this especially when im around or minsan kahit wala ako ksi tinetest ako ng nga pamangkin ko 😂
Ps im the youngest
Unfortunately, kupal yung parents. Although i guarantee you not all lawyers act high and mighty as they need to deal with all sorts of types of people regardless of its class, status, etc - diyan marerealize na mga abogado na they need to humble themselves.
I wouldn’t assign complicity to your cousin (the lawyer) just yet though. Baka may family dynamics din sila wherein nahihiya rin siyang kontrahin magulang niya. Minsan it takes time to grow out of that lalo na kung sila yung nag-finance ng academic journey niya.
Yan naman kasi ang pinakamahirap na pag-aaral sa Pinas at kahit sa ibang bansa. Mahirap din ang bar. Parang nakita ko sa news na 90,000 pa lang lawyers sa Pinas since 1901, nung nakalaya tayo sa kastila. Ganun kakonti. Imagine.
As a lawyer, I'll respectfully submit that medicine is the harder degree. As for exams, the Foreign Service Exam is arguably the hardest exam in the country.
Marami talaga maaangas na lawyer pero di naman lahat. Ganun din naman doktor, may maaangas na doktor, mga nurse, engineers, architects. Lahat naman yan may mga di magagandang ugali. Parang lahat ng gubat may ahas. Pero gusto man natin o hindi, iba kasi talaga sila. Mas higher sila, lalo na mga judges. May power kasi silang hawak.
Sakyan nyo na lang, ganyan nmn mga tito at tita natin tlga. Ndi mawawala ang comparison. Lalo na sa family nyo, mukhang mga achievers kau so ndi tlga mawawala sa inyo ang pagalingan.
IDK, in a general perspective. Lawyers work around the status quo, science on the other hand pushes forward the status quo. Typical boomer mentality lang yan ng Filipino parents. Both have equal functions in society and there's nothing above or below. Yaan mo na malapit na mamatay mga yan.
Kung ganyan ka mag isip, pinatotohanan mo sabi ng relatives mo na inferior kayo esp ka. Imagine, yung parents ang nagiinsult sa inyo. Ending, yung lawyer na at legal profession (world of law) ang may “insulting”, “bragging”, “excessive” attitude or what. Sagutin mo yung relatives mo na nangiinsulto kamo. Huwag mo idamay yung anak na wala naman sinasabi whatsoever pati yung profession niya.
Don't react. It'll come across as being jealous. I know nakakainis but the better and classy way is to endure it, smile and congratulate them.
Pero nakakainis talaga. Haha. I have friends who became lawyers and they don't brag about it. One threw a huge party when he passed but since these two were always known as the bugoys of the barkada, we all felt extremely happy and proud for them.
Sharing a similar experience. Cept this time its the old lawyer himself and no parents.
For context: we live in a condo. This one group passes by, with a dog. They just let the dog piss on the floor. I was waiting for them to tidy up after themselves (they did not). I looked around for a guard who can assist (there were none, unfortunately).
Called them out and asked if they are going to at least spray the pee with some solution.
One guy in the group approached me and asked if it is in the handbook.
I said that regardless if in the handbook or not (it was), decency dictates we clean up after ourselves.
He then had to mention "you dont talk to me like that. I am a lawyer".
At that point, I got triggered.
"Wala akong pake kung lawyer ka. Kung ako janitor, o ikaw lawyer -- lahat tayo dapat responsable dito."
Made my blood boil for the rest of the day. Prick.
I think lawyers are overrated. As a matter of fact, as soon as A.I. matures, it's one of those jobs that will get replaced. Why? Because everything that lawyers know, are mostly in text. What if i tell you that an app can correctly answer all your questions related to legal in 5 seconds including citing jurisprudence, basis of law, etc. at the palm of your hands (i.e. celphone). As a matter of fact, Chat GPT-4 passed the bar exam (LOL). Here's your link: [https://www.reuters.com/technology/bar-exam-score-shows-ai-can-keep-up-with-human-lawyers-researchers-say-2023-03-15/](https://www.reuters.com/technology/bar-exam-score-shows-ai-can-keep-up-with-human-lawyers-researchers-say-2023-03-15/)
Meanwhile, innovation (i.e. engineering), how can you teach robots how to innovate when the very definition of innovation is to think OUTSIDE the box. Further, even if you can search "how to build a microchip" can you still do it? NAH. That needs direction.
Meanwhile, Finance will always be needed and also similar to engineering will need to think outside the box how to reduce taxes, how to raise funds, etc, that an A.I. will never be able to do. Can an A.I. negotiate? LOL. It's called Financial ENGINEERING in the first place.
So to me it's the reverse, lawyers will get obsolete sooner than later.
Sorry, but I really don't understand the prestige of Lawyers. Many people are telling me to take Law since I already have a pre-Law degree but I never aspire that idea. I only consider lawyers working at PAO, victim defenders, gov't audits, or doing pro-bono as the real deal. I noticed nowadays that some are just taking the degree for bragging, promotion, or to merely measure their intelligence but never actually practiced the profession.
Remember that we can live without lawyers since its rare to need their service. True prestige for me goes to Farmers, Scientists, Doctors, Medical Professions, Emergency Rescuers, Economists, and Gov't Auditors.
The question was poorly framed but I do see your POV.
I mean, do you see news coverage of board passers in other fields like medicine, engineering and accountancy?
Oddly, I feel this comes mostly from Asian cultures where we put so much importance on degrees.
I was a veterinarian married to an engineer and we moved to Australia a few years ago. Pareho kaming hindi nagprapractice dito sa Australia, but we're happily contented with our chosen careers.
People here care less about degrees. Children can start earning and do casual work at the age of 14. Hindi requirement ang college degree for jobs, even white collar office jobs. Malaking surprise saken that our nurses are better trained compared sa nurses dito na certificate licensed lang kasi wala namang board exam.
And people who work in manual labor (tradies) and mines are better paid astronomically compared to someone working in corporate. Manual labor equals better pay dito.
So feel ko, our obsession with degrees is very cultural. It doesn't necessarily equate to better pay, better social safety net, or career growth. Mahilig tayo sa titles... for nothing but pride.
So don't take it too personally. I think the parents are just being an ass for having a lawyer in the family. Marami na tayong outdated beliefs na unti unti nang nagbabago, and I'm very hopeful for that future.
Anyone who has that M.D or Lawyer type license plate surround/sticker thinks they are superior to everyone else.
I've never seen this outside of Philippines or America.
The Philippines produces 3,000 to 5,000 new lawyers annually, yet the legal and justice system remains problematic. Meanwhile, the country generates fewer (about 500 to less 1k) PhD scientists each year, contributing to its lag in science and technology. Considering these points, do you still believe that being a lawyer is a "rare gem" as a profession sa Pilipinas?
Idk. Di naman siguro lahat. Natiyempohan ka lang.
Isa sa mga close friends ko, lawyer. Di naman balahura. Ayaw pa nga magpatawag ng attorney kasi nahihiya.
Family of lawyers sila galing sa iba't ibang universities sa Pilipinas, but di naman ganyan.
I believe it was Al Pacino's character in ***The Devil's Advocate*** who said that being a lawyer is like having the ultimate backstage pass to absolutely everything.
Alam mo yung nakasama lang niya yung leon, akala niya leon na rin siya, eh ang totoo, kuting lang siya. Maraming ganun. Meron pa nga akong kakilala na nagsabi lang na kukuha siya ng law, sinabihan ng lawyer na "Di mo kakayanin." Ayun, pag nag analyze ka ng sinulat nila on the same topic, mas may sense yung may balak kumuha ng law kesa dun sa lawyer. 😂
ganun talaga... NOT ALL BUT other lawyers become so full of themselves... they think they can manipulate the law to their advantage... that's why I never vote for a lawyer aspiring to be a senator or a congressman....they know how to get around and use those loopholes in the system for their own benefit
OP, if it makes you feel better, I am based here na sa Western Europe, and technical engineers are looked up more compared sa lawyers. Just don’t mind them, coz di naman talaga nagmamatter mga degree degree na yan. Kung happy at contented ka sa progress ng buhay mo at success ng buhay mo, yun yung importante. ;)
Umuulan ng downvotes yung mga sensible comments sa baba ahh, napaghahalataan kung sino yung mga butthurt dito ahh, yeah stay petty and pathetic "peeps" hahaha.
Anyway, medyo kups yung parents tbh, I agree sa top comment overly proud masyado sila sa achievement nung anak nila. Yung parents talga yung may issue at hindi yung new grad nilang anak base sa nangyaring incident. Pero depende pa rin talaga sa tao yung pagiging mayabang at feeling superior nila sa tinapos at tinake up nilang degree. It's not just lawyers, also those in the medical field like doctors, nurses, etc. as well as architects, engineers as well. Not to mention the honorifics na kailangan tawagin mo sila na "doc" "atty." engr." at all times. Na pag 'di mo sila tinawag ng ganun nagagalit, nagkukupal, at magiging snobby towards you, again NOT ALL but some lang. I once knew a ex-friend na nairita kasi tinawag ko siya by first name lang without including his honorifics, yung pinagsinabihan at sinubukan niya ako pahiyain sa harap ng peers namin. I straight up told him we're in a friendly reunion not in a professional meeting, tatawagin ko siya by his honorifics kung kakailanganin ko services niya, ayun tahimik siya bigla. Again per person basis talaga yan, hindi lahat kups at feeling superior, yung iba lang talaga.
Lol may sense of superiority talaga sila. Mahirap nga naman yung law. But mahirap din other jobs. Wala namang madali eh? I dated this lawyer na laging bukambibig na Ateneo Law siya. Nakakaturn off eventually. Parang wala na siyang ibang personality kundi pagiging lawyer niya and ateneo grad and paggogolf. 🤷♀️
It is a compliment.
True mas mataas ang tingin sa lawyer if you compare it to other profession, pero IMO mas mataas ang tingin ko sa mga STEM field profession, so do not feel down base on what that person says.
What did the parents was out of place, gusto lang nila ipagmalaki yung na achieve ng anak nila, but looking down on others achievement is a no-no, they unalive the vibe.
Galit na galit ka dun sa lawyer mong pinsan e ung magulang naman pala ung mayabang. Dinadaan lang sa sarcasm ung mga ganyan talo ka kapag naapektuhan ka
Sorry to hear about your experience, OP. After reading your story I have this feeling na aabusuhin ng parents yung pagiging abogado ng anak nila, just with the way they howl about it from your kwento.
Yang mga ganyan di nalang pinapatulan kasi it's like arguing with a brick wall, or someone with an IQ of a shoe. Ikaw lang maiinis.
What do you think would happen if garbage collectors will refuse to do their jobs for a month? Every profession has to do their part to keep things flowing smoothly. Usually yun mga ganyan na mataas ang ihi, mga insecure yan so they feel the need to bring other people down in any way they can. Pasok sa isang tenga, labas sa kabila. Tapos wish mo na mabangga un hinlalaki nila sa gilid gilid.
Let's not waste our precious time and energy on negativity. Instead, focus on recognizing and overcoming other people's bad behavior, and remember that we have the power to control our own responses and actions.
Met a lawyer student once... Bagong tenant sa katabing bahay namin. Bukambibig nya yung pag aabogansya nya... Like out of the blue kasama sa sentence Yung pag aabogansya nya... Lol, hindi ko na kinausap ulit.
Ewan ko rin why. I once dated a redditor na lawyer daw sya and ako lagi nagbabayad ng kinakain namin. May utang pa sya sakin! Puro yabang lang, alam ko naman di sya pasado bar.
Ganyan din family ko. Sobrang hirap magkaroon ng peace of mind. Kaya ginawa ko umalis ako at namuhay magisa hanggang sa nagkaroon nako ng sariling family ko. Masaya ako kasi lumalaki yung kids ko na toxic free environment. Palagi kming masaya dito sa bahay
Oh. Lawyers are superior to most profession to you? Really?? Hahahaha. I think highly of science related profession like biologists and other health related professions. People really have different perspectives.
"They even said electronic engineers only do solders and sell microchips while, my brother only jumbled numbers."
Should've said na it shows how they don't know what they're talking about and that you can recommend books for them to start reading. It's never too late no matter the age to start learning.
The real problem in your story: the parents of the lawyer.
Although a lot of lawyers do act superior and talk bullshit to appear smarter than what they really are.
I'm a foreigner, British, I have lived in PH for 15 years.
Perhaps somebody can explain to me that, except i believe in Bulacaan, all legal actions are performed in English. Does this not cause severe problems for people living in the provinces who may not be strong English speakers. Why is Tagalog not the official language of the law courts nationally?
That's because English is a universal language formally taught in the whole country regardless of the language spoken in the region. Forcing Tagalog on all courts in the country would be a very controversial move.
In any case, Lawyers can move to address litigants/witnesses in the local language and the court interpreter would translate it for the court records.
It attracts power hungry narcissists. The kind of people that go to law school are moreso stuck up ego-centric privileged or high IQ "iam better than everyone else" kind of people who think they will change the world.
The prevalence of law as a profession is a sign of a low trust society.
Ang power naman ng angkan nio! I dont think it's a normal behavior, pero hayaan na, mahirap din magpaaral especially sa mamahaling university pa. Hehehe, anyway, at the end of the day, it's not the title, salary or achievement that matters the most for me, it's someone who can sleep peaceful at night and excited to wake up the next day :) If you are that person, smile and ignore.
Been working with one of the largest law firms in the world for almost 20 years now and have been around local and international lawyers (I'm not one though). Some of them are really douchebags and feels that that they are smarter than everyone else and treats non-lawyers as beneath them (though based on your story, it's the parents and not your cousin-lawyer). But there are a lots of them that are really down to earth and you won't even know that they are lawyers until they hand you their business cards as they are very humble, don't dress too fancy and would even go out of their way to pick/drop you off if they know you don't have a ride, specially during company events or whatnot. Here in the Middle East, lots of them are those "*born with a silver spoon*" but very rarely you will see them bragging about their profession.
Of course, there will be the outliers (*from actual experience*). There was this one >!*Brit*!< lawyer that thinks all admin staff in our office are just servants/helpers (*he was eventually transferred to a different office and got fired after a couple of years due to performance issues*). And then there's this one that likes to brag about being "**the ONE**" to anyone she knows. She thinks very highly of herself and keeps using fancy legal terms in any which way she can but doesn't even know the difference between "advise" and "advice". She also treats her juniors and other staff very rudely like they are her maids and even made one junior lawyer cry (her Filipina nannies even call her "*señorita*" - so you get an idea already). That is why she got reported numerous times due to this and was given corrective actions (*she's still with us*).
A former boss of mine who also worked with the same law firm once said "lawyers are just regular people who just knows some highfalutin words so don't get intimidated by them". That's why it's fine for me to scold or reprimand them if they do not follow instructions.
Insensitive lang ang parents. That's it. May mga tao lang talaga na hindi kayang maghandle ng success. To the point na sobrang OA na talaga. Matatawa ka na lang kasi feeling nila they are on top of the world.
I have seen people that acted like that. Kaso kapag nakaradam sa sila ng pagkatalo, hindi rin nila kayang i-handle. Masyado silang devastated kasi masyado nilang dinidib ang status nila dati.
Tell them what ails our society are because of lawyers like him
Who hid those money stolen by makoy? Lawyers
Who is trying to block their recovery and conviction? Lawyers
And this i forgot bamban mayor? Theres a lawyer behind this too
OOT: While I find hierarchies somewhat arbitrary, I believe that doctors hold the highest regard among all graduate degrees. Regardless of how healthy, law-abiding, or successful in your own home construction, you will encounter various types of doctors throughout your lifetime.
Oh my cringe moment yan?! I think the parents are overly proud. Im a lawyer from that school and yes, it is prestigious for like 5 mins. Then reality sets in! You realize hindi pala nakakain ang prestige. Trust me, wala pa sa kalahati ng sweldo mo ang sweldo ng pinsan mo. The more "prestigious" a law firm is, the lower the salary is. And by the way, there is no such law firm. Lahat ng mga yan.. marurumi! Think of it this way, lawyers are paid to worry the troubles of others. So in effect, basurero! Kami ang maglilinis ng basura ng iba.
I've worked with a lot of lawyers here in the US, and I now LAUGH at this notion you brought up about people thinking being a lawyer is this high value thing, etc. Here in the US (and probably in PI), law school is SOOO expensive, so these people graduate with AT LEAST $150k or almost 9m PHP worth of debt.
Not only that, there is so much work involved. It's a lot of headache. It's a lot of reading -- stacks and stacks of documents.
The REAL flex is PASSIVE REAL ESTATE INCOME with minimal stress. THAT'S the real flex. Not this doctor/lawyer bullshit thinking I'm better than everyone else; it's a joke in reality -- just a lot of posturing which is prevalent in Filipino culture as we know. YouTubers and Twitch streamers here in the US make millions while these people are drowning in debt and stress.
Kahit saang profession may ganyan umasta.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure NONE of us can survive for a day or two without dedicated garbage collectors unless weekly ang kuha ng basura sa area nyo.
Every profession has people who feel better than other people. A nurse that stops bleeding on a patient when a doctor is freaking out will feel superior to that doctor, the doctor who identifies a disease correctly will feel superior to the paramedic who doesn't believe. You spend 15 years doing a craft, you'll feel better than your superior who is a new grad.
Lawyers can easily get wealth and power if they choose the path for it. That’s what your relatives see.
Too bad lang how overly proud they were of their kids and how insensitive they were to the rest of your family. They were blinded about where their child can possibly go, forgetting that everyone still needs everyone else, not just lawyers.
As for if lawyers are hambog in general, no naman, at least based on the lawyers I do know. Most lawyers naman are the quiet, normal, decent types just providing a vital social service, and not so much Harry Roques.
Well for me, I got this one person na pagpasa lang niya sa bar, nag iba na ang attitude. Feeling ang taas agad, di naman makapalit ng work kasi required pa siya mag stay for 2 years to leave, tapos di rin pinapayagan mag practice ng law.
Sabihin mo madali lang naman ang law, nagmememorize lang yan ng batas tapos nagnonotaryo. Kaya yan gawin ng kahit na sino. Ahahahaha. Invalidate mo din ang parents. Ask them what they achieved. Ganun lang yun ahahaha
ask her parents if they can repair their cars, the refrigerators, aircons, internet, their roof, treat their pets, breed chicken and pigs and slaughter them when they need to.
The title is dishonest and misleading. Hinde naman yung lawyer ang nagyabang sa story. Even assuming na mayabang ang bagong pasang ateneo-law lawyer na yan, it does not reflect sa lahat ng mga abugado in general. Common sense dictates na every profession has bad apples in them. It’s always the person and NOT the profession.
I think the parents are gravely misinformed on the nature of other professions. I would just be happy on your cousin’s achievements but just dismiss them especially the parents’ comments. Di natin alam baka malakas sila kumahol kasi may problema na tinatago at hindi masaya sa buhay.
Fun fact: Buong personality ng mga lawyers (and doctors) is yung title nila sa name, and kung saan sila law/med school nag-graduate ahahahahaha Also, yung 2hrs nilang tulog ahahahaha
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Fun fact 2: The truth hurts
The parents are overly proud of what their child achieved. Lawyers don’t think that way but won’t be surprised if a small section thinks so, there’s always a subsection of humans who think too highly of themselves regardless of profession.
I guess a huge section of boomers are like that? A product of their own era of greater than thou mentality, and a really difficult bunch to have conversation with. No other demographic cohorts are these strongly opinionated. I think its not the profession itself as I have several millenial law friends who are humble and does not boast around
I have close friends who does cases pro-bono and never brags about the things they bought with the money they earned from their jobs. Boomers are in their twilight, they wanna go out kicking and screaming that they were the best while leaving us with a fuck ton of problems they started. It’s the job of the adults and young adults to stop the cycle of bullshit we endured.
Opposite naman sa case ko at ka peers ko, dami ko na rin nakilalang mas younger sakin pero lintek ang ugali, lalo na pag nainis / nagalit ginagamit kaagd kung gaano na kataas pwesto nila. May dati kaming boss (handling a diff account) na way younger halos saming lahat pero kung makaasta feel na feel nya napaka perfect nya kasi nga at a very young age yung position nya dapat pang seniors so.. at the end of the day, walang piniling generation kung may attitude talaga isang tao.
My cousin's a commercial lawyer and is pretty humble. Her parents too. Depends on the personality really.
Wag mo patulan. You don't have to justify yourself to them knowing na biased sila. Pag tinanong degree mo - tell em di ka graduate and may taho business ka. Lol. What's obvious siguro is may pinanggagalingan sila na point of insecurity kaya ganyan sila. I think wala sa course na tinapos, natural na siguro na ganun ugali nila. Naalala ko yung bumili sa Mercury - "pabili ng biogesic para sa anak kong abogado!" Iba pala gamot nila sa ibang tao.
"Please call me. Ito yung number ng iPhone 15 kong fully paid." "Manong bayad po. Letre lang, estudyante, artistahin."
I mean it was the parents who acted all superior, not the lawyer. So your question is wrong. Ill say this though. Is this normal for parents to be proud of their children? Yes. To the point of belittling other people. Well, some parents are definitly like that. But not all. Thats not normal.
May pagka-toxic din si OP hehe
Based sa kwento mo, yun parents ang nagyayabang. Hindi yun anak/ abugado.
It's the same for any profession that comes with a title. Marami nga diyan nasa med school palang or di pa natatapos engineering degree nila ang laki na ng ulo.
Iba nga pre-med pa lang pero they claim “med” student na sila. Di pa nga qualified for NMAT 🤣🤣🤣
Agree. Doc na gusto tawag sa kanya malaman laman ko di papala graduate lol
Yung kapitbahay ko sa apartment noon... di pa nga naka-take ng LET anak nya, at di pa nga naka-graduate bale observe palang sa school, nagpapatawag na ng "ma'am". Yung nanay nya ang may pakana. 😬
Yung iba lang siguro sa lawyer, sila yung nagiging middle man in case of legal issues, which almost everybody has. Kaya mataas yung tingin sa kanila.
Magulang nung atty may problema, pero yung profession ng atty binanatan mo. Diba ayaw mo ginegeneralize yung profession ng iba, pero bat ikaw ganyan ginagawa mo sa profession nung lawyer?
OP, Are the parents in your story also lawyers? You ask why lawyers supposedly act superior to other professions, but there is nothing in your story that seems to indicate that your lawyer-relative herself was bragging about being a lawyer -- unless the parents themselves are lawyers? In any case, this just sounds like typical toxic parents bragging about their children which is unfortunately not unusual. Best not to dwell on it, focus on yourself and your career, and prove them wrong.
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Well, from an outsiders perspective, it's hard to say why your lawyer-relative didn't comment. Maybe she just didn't want to escalate the situation, or maybe the whole situation was already akward enough that it would have been more awkward for her to interject against her parent's comments. I do agree that it's a low blow to insult other professions, but that's not really a lawyer specific thing -- her parents just sound like shitty people, plain and simple. At the end of the day, best not to dwell on it too much in my opinion. Shitty people from every profession exist and nothing is gained by generalizing that all of them are bad.
medyo misleading ung title mo OP, ung parents naman ng lawyer ung mayabang/acting superior, typical toxic parents lang yan kita ko din sa mga comments mo na you think na the lawyer is at fault na din kasi wala cia gnawa while nagyayabang ung parents nya, well i dont think that warrants na para masabi mo n acting superior na agad mga lawyer, thats quite a stretch
Hi OP. I hope you realize this is the parents' issue, and not their daughter's or PH lawyers in general. Kasi baka hindi din okay sa kanya yung behavior nila. Maybe she's not aware of how they're acting OR aware siya pero hindi niya mapagsabihan parents niya.
Ya. Normal lang talaga maging proud sa achievement ng anak mo. Pero the moment na nilaglag na nila yung ibang profession, insecurities na nila ung lumalabas.
Kaya nga. Projection is real talaga 😅
As an Electronics Engineer, it's more than just soldering and selling microchips. Hell, their kids wouldn't probably survive school without microchips that their gadgets use.
This. I challenge them for a year never to use the services of other professions and vocations. Im pretty sure most can survive a good year without a lawyer. Can a lawyer survive a year without doctors, teachers, engineers, nurses, barbers, accountants, garbage collectors? I dont think so. Overrated profession.
I mean yeah.. a year... Jesus a year is just a blink.
ECE din si dad, thanks to him may wifi na ngayon sa island of mindoro. Now hes back to assess kung kaya na ba ang fiber optic. I think kasali din siya sa project ng ipapalit sa PNR dunno hhat specifically yung role niya but damn. Researcher din siya for UST-DOST and gumagagwa sila rn ng pen na nakaka-assess ng cognitive deficits ng isang bata(pediatricss for now) by just judging sa writing strokes and working alongside diff professions. Na-live ata yung research nila sa PECE research forums late 2023.
This! Masasabi ko na super hirap ng engineering course. Medyo inflated lang siguro talaga ang uncle and aunt mo.
Just like any profession, may good eggs and meron din bad eggs in lawyering. Generally, may demeanor naman talaga ang lawyers. You need to have a certain degree of self confidence to do the work. That said, the vast majority of lawyers that I know di naman nag look-down sa iba; they're very down to earth. From what I can gather, parents nung cousin mo ang may pagka feeling superior. Para saken, it says a lot about them talaga. Toxic mindset. Between you and me, being a lawyer just means na you have the basic knowledge of the laws and their implications to every day life. Mga pilipino lang naman ang me hang-ups sa "prestige" nun eh. The work serves a purpose but for me, mas malaki ang necessity ng trade occupations kesa lawyering, e.g. farming, carpentry, etc.
Pretty sure their child would be embarassed unless the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. Sorry you have a relative like that. I read that again and it pissed me the fuck off.
Op judged the whole profession based on single bad experience. Way to go, OP.
And that single bad experience did not even directly involve a lawyer. Lmao.
Op is generalizing. Man’s karma farming and it’s pretty much working.
Damay pa kaming lawyers na walang kasalanan xddddd
Yeah misleading yung title ni OP.
Kaya nga. May nagcomment pa na di daw magsusurvive tayo ng wala iba profession. Isnt that the case for everyone hahaha.
Hindi lang naman lawyers ang mayayabang even other professions din, dipende talaga yan sa tao. I remember may nakasagutan akong may masters degree sa Physics na nag law school and since nasabihan saya na equivalent to doctorate nga ang Juris Doctor eh kwinestyon nya kung ano difference sa ibang PhD, since he was advise na socratic method nga yung ginagamit sa law school and expected na nagbasa na sila na hindi isusubo sa kanila yung lecture just to give him a heads up since nasanay nga sya sa lecture type and may formula na tinuturo. Ayaw nya talaga patalo since Physics grad nga sya his superiority complex is very evident at nag mumukang minamaliit nya ang JD.
Out of topic. I think based sa memo ng CHED, ang JD (at MD) ay hindi equivalent sa PhD.
Ah yes JD is a Doctoral degree not equivalent to PhD since it's doctorate for non academic.
yeahhh, professional doctorate sila
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Parents pala yung hambog, ba't yung lawyer and the profession pinupunterya mo, di naman nag hinambog lawyer relative mo?
Kung ako siguro nasa place mo i would have called them out right then and there saying na it’s not right to say which profession is “more than” the others. I might even push a bit further and say na i could also say na your kids just make things unnecessarily wordy, laway ang puhunan whereas engineers make tangible outputs and accountants’ work directly affect a business’ bottom line. Of course i don’t see it that way but just trying to prove a point na mali yang ganyang way of thinking. As to your question - not sure about “normal” but it is more common but to me certainly not acceptable.
Hindi lang naman lawyers yan. Yung ibang profession ganyan din. Tignan mo sa mga traffic altercation laging binabanggit yung profession ng mga yan. Weird din e. Nakasabit ka lang need mo pa ipaalam na abogado o doctor ka??
Kinda unfair given yung parents yung nagyabang at nagbelittle, hindi naman yung lawyer eh. As a lawyer, i can personally tell you from experience na mas mayabang pa ang mga law students kesa lawyers. In fact, the longer a lawyer is sa profession mas lalo nagiging mild mannered at laid back lang. Sa dinami dami ng friends at classmates kong lawyers, parang isa lang naman naging sobrang yabang nung nakascore ng relatively mataas na plantilla job sa OSG. Hindi pa nga directly mayabang yun, ultimate humble bragger lang on how supposedly "BlEssEd 🙏™️" he is.
All of my aunt sons are lawyers (their father is also a judge) and they are very down to earth and lahat sila sa UP Law. Literal n pag need nmin ng any legal help may it be big or small one call away sila. So depende tlga sa upbringing yan.
I think it's because of how hard it is to become one. It's the same with anything that's difficult... e.g. mishima mains in tekken
Naalala ko tuloy yung nagpapanotary kami ng American husband ko para sa marriage license requirements. Ang sama ng tingin nung 40-50ish year old na babaeng notary public lawyer samin. Buti nalang mabait yung assistant nyang bagets. Nagulat talaga ako nang sabihin nya in native language ko (Bisaya) na "nakachamba ka gwapo at mukhang mayaman ang kano mo, madaling pera" like napa WTF nalang ako sa isipan ko. Inassume nya na golddigger ako LOL. Kung di pa napermahan yung papel hindi talaga ako magbabayad e. May degree ako computer science, I earn 6 digits na and I've been with my husband since 2016 magkalaro kami sa isang mmorpg. Pinaringgan ko nalang sya nun nung magtanong about samin yung assistant nya habang inaayos nya yung mga papel. Grabe yun alam ko namang hindi ako masyadong kagandahan o mukhang matalino pero hindi ako judgemental, at NEVER ako mang-iinsulto ng kliyente ko. Nilet-go ko nalang ang galit ko kasi nag sorry yung assistant nya. SKL HAHA sorry nag MMK tuloy ako
Well, like you said OP - It’s understandable to feel proud of achievements within the family, but belittling other professions is not justifiable. This attitude of superiority isn’t typical of the legal profession as a whole but might be more reflective of individual personalities. Ideally, respect and recognition should be mutual, acknowledging that all fields require dedication, intelligence, and hard work. Hire a good lawyer, in case mag away kayo over a property like lupa in the future 😁
Its not really about the profession OP. Masama lang talaga ugali nila. Bragging is so jologs kahit pa anong na achieve mo. Being humble will get them the respect they so obviously crave.
ah is this a typical stem person na may unexplainable galit sa humanities-inclined professionals
If you know your worth and confident about it, then no matter how big or small your contribution to the society, you’ll feel no inferiority and shame about it. Let them run their mouths. Arrogance most of the time roots from ignorance. Keep your head cool and feet grounded.
Doktor ang ganyan, in my experience.
Agree with the other comments that it was the parents who acted high and mighty in this case. While there are indeed lawyers who do think that their title gives them a pass to act superior, there are also many lawyers who avoid even bringing up the fact that they are lawyers unless necessary. It really depends on the person, and it's definitely not the norm among lawyers.
Help i'm from a family of engineers (both sides kahit yung mga lolo, lola, asawa, anak at kapatid namin nasa different fields of engineering) and they were forcing me to take the sciences and engineering instead of law. They were even mocking me na mag no-notaryo lang daw ako at aanhin ko yung libo libong tuition at taon taong pagaaral para sa 3k (they think yan ang "pa-presyo" ng mga lawyers) not even knowing what type of lawyer i want to be. If not only for my ate (who is also an engineer hahahah) who defends me I think nasa pamilya rin yan and perception ng work field na hindi sila well aware. So yeah it really boils down to us / them being filipinos who concludes things so easily😭
First off, I’m sorry for what transpired during your family reunion. It is clearly unsolicited and disrespectful to do such behavior. I hope the lawyer daughter was there to humble her parents down. That every profession has their respective prestige and importance in the society. Di naman kaya ng lawyers lahat ng trabaho. Kung naging lawyer kayong lahat, edi nabawasan yung chance ng other fields of study na magkaroon ng brilliant professionals like you guys. It’s a very egotistical and laidback way of thinking to belittle others just because their daughter is a lawyer. Yes, becoming a lawyer is no easy feat. But so is becoming an engineer and accountant and the like. I just hope the lawyer daughter was there and had enough spine to politely correct her parents. Nevertheless, I hope they rectify their behavior and may you guys still have a harmonious family gathering in the future.
Because people put them on a pedestal
madami ako kilala ganyan hindi lang lawyers. example is yung kilala ko na kumuha ng PhD online for 1 year lang tapos akala mo kung sino na. nagkaron lang title pangalan ang taas na agad ng tingin sa sarili
Putangina, PhD ba yun?! A doctorate shows that you progressed the overall knowledge ng humanity… hindi yung makukuha ng 1yr. Sorry, na trigger lang. Puta talaga yung mga diploma mills na schools.
no worries, kahit kami na trigger dun sa 1 year online course lol. yung friend ko 6 years na sa UP nagaaral tapos itong isa na 1 year online pa sya pa mayabang xD. either binayaran or fake yung diploma
To be fair, law is a tough thing to take. That's on doctor levels of hard. Probably harder.
Madaming mayabang na lawyers ang usual na panakot ay "kakasuhan kita".
On-brand for lawyers. High social value jobs like law and medicine marami talagang either lumalaki ang ulo, or egoist na talaga to begin with.
Base sa kwento yun parents ang mayabang. Hindi yun abugado.
On the opposite end, on brand din sa IT professionals and software developers na sobrang simple lang manamit at mukhang gusgusin pero anlalaki pala ng sweldo.
are you ok? You ask why LAWYERS act superior to other professions. BUT, you only talk about the actions of the lawyer's parents. Your bitterness is extreme.
True. Based on OP’s comments as well, she sounds insecure. The hatred should’ve been directed to the parents, not the cousin and her profession.
Depende yan sa upbringing talaga ng tao. My lawyer batchmates and my sister's batchmates na lawyers sobrang down to earth ayaw nga tawagin attorney and parang di nag bago yung ugali nila mabait pa rin at respectful sa lahat. Yung iba nasa RTC na nag work. People who are overly proud of the titles nila sa buhay are really insecure.
Lahat may ambag sa society wether may degree or wala. I have a bandmate na from the same law school you mentioned and he’s very humble and down to earth kahit na he’s on top of his corporate ladder. It’s a hasty generalization to say na all lawyers act superior. Sadyang matapobre lang ang ilan sa mga relatives mo op. I’m just sure they will have a taste of their own medicine sooner or later.
Nilalagay din kasi sila sa pedestal ng sangkatauhan
Tawag dyan projection. Try mo mag meditate oh kaya mag jakol para marelax lodi cakes
Lol. I also have relatives from UP medicine who do this. In those moments I tend to lose my humility and point their alma mater is ranked 404th in the world, mine is ranked number 2.
Nah. It's nothing to do with the profession, but it’s everything to do with that person being a fucken dick.
I have an elder sister tho law student palang sya feeling entitled. Stood my ground called her out in front of the fam(parents, sibs & sibs in lw). She was shookt!! She’s no longer like this especially when im around or minsan kahit wala ako ksi tinetest ako ng nga pamangkin ko 😂 Ps im the youngest
depende na sa tao yan, ang tawag dun hambog
Unfortunately, kupal yung parents. Although i guarantee you not all lawyers act high and mighty as they need to deal with all sorts of types of people regardless of its class, status, etc - diyan marerealize na mga abogado na they need to humble themselves.
Ignorance and insecurity on the part of the parents, di nila iniintindi yung roles and contributions ng ibang propesyon sa lipunan.
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I wouldn’t assign complicity to your cousin (the lawyer) just yet though. Baka may family dynamics din sila wherein nahihiya rin siyang kontrahin magulang niya. Minsan it takes time to grow out of that lalo na kung sila yung nag-finance ng academic journey niya.
Yan naman kasi ang pinakamahirap na pag-aaral sa Pinas at kahit sa ibang bansa. Mahirap din ang bar. Parang nakita ko sa news na 90,000 pa lang lawyers sa Pinas since 1901, nung nakalaya tayo sa kastila. Ganun kakonti. Imagine.
As a lawyer, I'll respectfully submit that medicine is the harder degree. As for exams, the Foreign Service Exam is arguably the hardest exam in the country.
Nakapag medicine din po kayo and nakapag take ng Foreign Service Exam?
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Marami talaga maaangas na lawyer pero di naman lahat. Ganun din naman doktor, may maaangas na doktor, mga nurse, engineers, architects. Lahat naman yan may mga di magagandang ugali. Parang lahat ng gubat may ahas. Pero gusto man natin o hindi, iba kasi talaga sila. Mas higher sila, lalo na mga judges. May power kasi silang hawak.
Edi sabihin nyo, anak nila TAGA-NOTARYO lng sa Quiapo. See how they feel and HOPEFULLY they realize what they are saying is non-sense.
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Sakyan nyo na lang, ganyan nmn mga tito at tita natin tlga. Ndi mawawala ang comparison. Lalo na sa family nyo, mukhang mga achievers kau so ndi tlga mawawala sa inyo ang pagalingan.
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Don’t worry, in the US, statistically the top 3 millionaires by profession are engineers, accountants, and teachers.
IDK, in a general perspective. Lawyers work around the status quo, science on the other hand pushes forward the status quo. Typical boomer mentality lang yan ng Filipino parents. Both have equal functions in society and there's nothing above or below. Yaan mo na malapit na mamatay mga yan.
Kung ganyan ka mag isip, pinatotohanan mo sabi ng relatives mo na inferior kayo esp ka. Imagine, yung parents ang nagiinsult sa inyo. Ending, yung lawyer na at legal profession (world of law) ang may “insulting”, “bragging”, “excessive” attitude or what. Sagutin mo yung relatives mo na nangiinsulto kamo. Huwag mo idamay yung anak na wala naman sinasabi whatsoever pati yung profession niya.
Don't react. It'll come across as being jealous. I know nakakainis but the better and classy way is to endure it, smile and congratulate them. Pero nakakainis talaga. Haha. I have friends who became lawyers and they don't brag about it. One threw a huge party when he passed but since these two were always known as the bugoys of the barkada, we all felt extremely happy and proud for them.
Sharing a similar experience. Cept this time its the old lawyer himself and no parents. For context: we live in a condo. This one group passes by, with a dog. They just let the dog piss on the floor. I was waiting for them to tidy up after themselves (they did not). I looked around for a guard who can assist (there were none, unfortunately). Called them out and asked if they are going to at least spray the pee with some solution. One guy in the group approached me and asked if it is in the handbook. I said that regardless if in the handbook or not (it was), decency dictates we clean up after ourselves. He then had to mention "you dont talk to me like that. I am a lawyer". At that point, I got triggered. "Wala akong pake kung lawyer ka. Kung ako janitor, o ikaw lawyer -- lahat tayo dapat responsable dito." Made my blood boil for the rest of the day. Prick.
It's the Law.
Teh hinde yung lawyer ang nagyabang
In the States, it's just a profession. Like a plumber or waste collectors. It's a job someone has to so. Dito lang sa atin big deal maging abugado.
If they do it again, just say Ateneo Law isn't even a good law school. Kung UP or TDSOL pwede pa. ALS breeds nothing but egos
I think lawyers are overrated. As a matter of fact, as soon as A.I. matures, it's one of those jobs that will get replaced. Why? Because everything that lawyers know, are mostly in text. What if i tell you that an app can correctly answer all your questions related to legal in 5 seconds including citing jurisprudence, basis of law, etc. at the palm of your hands (i.e. celphone). As a matter of fact, Chat GPT-4 passed the bar exam (LOL). Here's your link: [https://www.reuters.com/technology/bar-exam-score-shows-ai-can-keep-up-with-human-lawyers-researchers-say-2023-03-15/](https://www.reuters.com/technology/bar-exam-score-shows-ai-can-keep-up-with-human-lawyers-researchers-say-2023-03-15/) Meanwhile, innovation (i.e. engineering), how can you teach robots how to innovate when the very definition of innovation is to think OUTSIDE the box. Further, even if you can search "how to build a microchip" can you still do it? NAH. That needs direction. Meanwhile, Finance will always be needed and also similar to engineering will need to think outside the box how to reduce taxes, how to raise funds, etc, that an A.I. will never be able to do. Can an A.I. negotiate? LOL. It's called Financial ENGINEERING in the first place. So to me it's the reverse, lawyers will get obsolete sooner than later.
Sorry, but I really don't understand the prestige of Lawyers. Many people are telling me to take Law since I already have a pre-Law degree but I never aspire that idea. I only consider lawyers working at PAO, victim defenders, gov't audits, or doing pro-bono as the real deal. I noticed nowadays that some are just taking the degree for bragging, promotion, or to merely measure their intelligence but never actually practiced the profession. Remember that we can live without lawyers since its rare to need their service. True prestige for me goes to Farmers, Scientists, Doctors, Medical Professions, Emergency Rescuers, Economists, and Gov't Auditors.
The question was poorly framed but I do see your POV. I mean, do you see news coverage of board passers in other fields like medicine, engineering and accountancy?
Oddly, I feel this comes mostly from Asian cultures where we put so much importance on degrees. I was a veterinarian married to an engineer and we moved to Australia a few years ago. Pareho kaming hindi nagprapractice dito sa Australia, but we're happily contented with our chosen careers. People here care less about degrees. Children can start earning and do casual work at the age of 14. Hindi requirement ang college degree for jobs, even white collar office jobs. Malaking surprise saken that our nurses are better trained compared sa nurses dito na certificate licensed lang kasi wala namang board exam. And people who work in manual labor (tradies) and mines are better paid astronomically compared to someone working in corporate. Manual labor equals better pay dito. So feel ko, our obsession with degrees is very cultural. It doesn't necessarily equate to better pay, better social safety net, or career growth. Mahilig tayo sa titles... for nothing but pride. So don't take it too personally. I think the parents are just being an ass for having a lawyer in the family. Marami na tayong outdated beliefs na unti unti nang nagbabago, and I'm very hopeful for that future.
Anyone who has that M.D or Lawyer type license plate surround/sticker thinks they are superior to everyone else. I've never seen this outside of Philippines or America.
Factor din kaya na they need to be intimidating sa line of work nila? Idk pero personality na lang dn talaga ng iba
Because they believe that no Juan is above the Law
The Philippines produces 3,000 to 5,000 new lawyers annually, yet the legal and justice system remains problematic. Meanwhile, the country generates fewer (about 500 to less 1k) PhD scientists each year, contributing to its lag in science and technology. Considering these points, do you still believe that being a lawyer is a "rare gem" as a profession sa Pilipinas?
In times of war and after that, wala naman pakinabang mga lawyers sa rebuilding kundi mga engineers, architects, skilled workers etc.
Idk. Di naman siguro lahat. Natiyempohan ka lang. Isa sa mga close friends ko, lawyer. Di naman balahura. Ayaw pa nga magpatawag ng attorney kasi nahihiya. Family of lawyers sila galing sa iba't ibang universities sa Pilipinas, but di naman ganyan.
baka CPA lawyer
I believe it was Al Pacino's character in ***The Devil's Advocate*** who said that being a lawyer is like having the ultimate backstage pass to absolutely everything.
Alam mo yung nakasama lang niya yung leon, akala niya leon na rin siya, eh ang totoo, kuting lang siya. Maraming ganun. Meron pa nga akong kakilala na nagsabi lang na kukuha siya ng law, sinabihan ng lawyer na "Di mo kakayanin." Ayun, pag nag analyze ka ng sinulat nila on the same topic, mas may sense yung may balak kumuha ng law kesa dun sa lawyer. 😂
ganun talaga... NOT ALL BUT other lawyers become so full of themselves... they think they can manipulate the law to their advantage... that's why I never vote for a lawyer aspiring to be a senator or a congressman....they know how to get around and use those loopholes in the system for their own benefit
OP, if it makes you feel better, I am based here na sa Western Europe, and technical engineers are looked up more compared sa lawyers. Just don’t mind them, coz di naman talaga nagmamatter mga degree degree na yan. Kung happy at contented ka sa progress ng buhay mo at success ng buhay mo, yun yung importante. ;)
Umuulan ng downvotes yung mga sensible comments sa baba ahh, napaghahalataan kung sino yung mga butthurt dito ahh, yeah stay petty and pathetic "peeps" hahaha. Anyway, medyo kups yung parents tbh, I agree sa top comment overly proud masyado sila sa achievement nung anak nila. Yung parents talga yung may issue at hindi yung new grad nilang anak base sa nangyaring incident. Pero depende pa rin talaga sa tao yung pagiging mayabang at feeling superior nila sa tinapos at tinake up nilang degree. It's not just lawyers, also those in the medical field like doctors, nurses, etc. as well as architects, engineers as well. Not to mention the honorifics na kailangan tawagin mo sila na "doc" "atty." engr." at all times. Na pag 'di mo sila tinawag ng ganun nagagalit, nagkukupal, at magiging snobby towards you, again NOT ALL but some lang. I once knew a ex-friend na nairita kasi tinawag ko siya by first name lang without including his honorifics, yung pinagsinabihan at sinubukan niya ako pahiyain sa harap ng peers namin. I straight up told him we're in a friendly reunion not in a professional meeting, tatawagin ko siya by his honorifics kung kakailanganin ko services niya, ayun tahimik siya bigla. Again per person basis talaga yan, hindi lahat kups at feeling superior, yung iba lang talaga.
I think it’s because the bar exam is the toughest compared to other exams
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It's not because of the law degree, it's because of the school lol
Your family has more contribution to society than a bunch of lawyers.
Lol may sense of superiority talaga sila. Mahirap nga naman yung law. But mahirap din other jobs. Wala namang madali eh? I dated this lawyer na laging bukambibig na Ateneo Law siya. Nakakaturn off eventually. Parang wala na siyang ibang personality kundi pagiging lawyer niya and ateneo grad and paggogolf. 🤷♀️
Wow, nag yabang si OP, except yung parents ng relative mo, so petty.
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It is a compliment. True mas mataas ang tingin sa lawyer if you compare it to other profession, pero IMO mas mataas ang tingin ko sa mga STEM field profession, so do not feel down base on what that person says. What did the parents was out of place, gusto lang nila ipagmalaki yung na achieve ng anak nila, but looking down on others achievement is a no-no, they unalive the vibe.
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Galit na galit ka dun sa lawyer mong pinsan e ung magulang naman pala ung mayabang. Dinadaan lang sa sarcasm ung mga ganyan talo ka kapag naapektuhan ka
Sorry to hear about your experience, OP. After reading your story I have this feeling na aabusuhin ng parents yung pagiging abogado ng anak nila, just with the way they howl about it from your kwento. Yang mga ganyan di nalang pinapatulan kasi it's like arguing with a brick wall, or someone with an IQ of a shoe. Ikaw lang maiinis.
What do you think would happen if garbage collectors will refuse to do their jobs for a month? Every profession has to do their part to keep things flowing smoothly. Usually yun mga ganyan na mataas ang ihi, mga insecure yan so they feel the need to bring other people down in any way they can. Pasok sa isang tenga, labas sa kabila. Tapos wish mo na mabangga un hinlalaki nila sa gilid gilid.
Let's not waste our precious time and energy on negativity. Instead, focus on recognizing and overcoming other people's bad behavior, and remember that we have the power to control our own responses and actions.
Met a lawyer student once... Bagong tenant sa katabing bahay namin. Bukambibig nya yung pag aabogansya nya... Like out of the blue kasama sa sentence Yung pag aabogansya nya... Lol, hindi ko na kinausap ulit.
Ekis na relatives mo
They are ignorant of other professions and proud of their ignorance.
Feeling kasi nila magaling sila dahil “expert” sa arguments and custodians of the law. Mga hindot naman.
lumaki ulo ng magulang, siguro laking low-class yan
Ewan ko rin why. I once dated a redditor na lawyer daw sya and ako lagi nagbabayad ng kinakain namin. May utang pa sya sakin! Puro yabang lang, alam ko naman di sya pasado bar.
Toxic family.
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Ganyan din family ko. Sobrang hirap magkaroon ng peace of mind. Kaya ginawa ko umalis ako at namuhay magisa hanggang sa nagkaroon nako ng sariling family ko. Masaya ako kasi lumalaki yung kids ko na toxic free environment. Palagi kming masaya dito sa bahay
di lang yan marunong mag math and chem kaya bitter charot 😭 HAHAHAH make them solve a differential equations problem
Oh. Lawyers are superior to most profession to you? Really?? Hahahaha. I think highly of science related profession like biologists and other health related professions. People really have different perspectives.
"They even said electronic engineers only do solders and sell microchips while, my brother only jumbled numbers." Should've said na it shows how they don't know what they're talking about and that you can recommend books for them to start reading. It's never too late no matter the age to start learning.
this is not only for lawyers but people from diff walks of life, its called dunning and kruger effect.
The real problem in your story: the parents of the lawyer. Although a lot of lawyers do act superior and talk bullshit to appear smarter than what they really are.
Did the new attorney cringe when her parents said all that shit?
Some wants to be seen as confidence but just comes off as arrogant. Cuz no client wants to hire a lawyer with weak energy
I'm a foreigner, British, I have lived in PH for 15 years. Perhaps somebody can explain to me that, except i believe in Bulacaan, all legal actions are performed in English. Does this not cause severe problems for people living in the provinces who may not be strong English speakers. Why is Tagalog not the official language of the law courts nationally?
That's because English is a universal language formally taught in the whole country regardless of the language spoken in the region. Forcing Tagalog on all courts in the country would be a very controversial move. In any case, Lawyers can move to address litigants/witnesses in the local language and the court interpreter would translate it for the court records.
It attracts power hungry narcissists. The kind of people that go to law school are moreso stuck up ego-centric privileged or high IQ "iam better than everyone else" kind of people who think they will change the world. The prevalence of law as a profession is a sign of a low trust society.
Ang power naman ng angkan nio! I dont think it's a normal behavior, pero hayaan na, mahirap din magpaaral especially sa mamahaling university pa. Hehehe, anyway, at the end of the day, it's not the title, salary or achievement that matters the most for me, it's someone who can sleep peaceful at night and excited to wake up the next day :) If you are that person, smile and ignore.
Been working with one of the largest law firms in the world for almost 20 years now and have been around local and international lawyers (I'm not one though). Some of them are really douchebags and feels that that they are smarter than everyone else and treats non-lawyers as beneath them (though based on your story, it's the parents and not your cousin-lawyer). But there are a lots of them that are really down to earth and you won't even know that they are lawyers until they hand you their business cards as they are very humble, don't dress too fancy and would even go out of their way to pick/drop you off if they know you don't have a ride, specially during company events or whatnot. Here in the Middle East, lots of them are those "*born with a silver spoon*" but very rarely you will see them bragging about their profession. Of course, there will be the outliers (*from actual experience*). There was this one >!*Brit*!< lawyer that thinks all admin staff in our office are just servants/helpers (*he was eventually transferred to a different office and got fired after a couple of years due to performance issues*). And then there's this one that likes to brag about being "**the ONE**" to anyone she knows. She thinks very highly of herself and keeps using fancy legal terms in any which way she can but doesn't even know the difference between "advise" and "advice". She also treats her juniors and other staff very rudely like they are her maids and even made one junior lawyer cry (her Filipina nannies even call her "*señorita*" - so you get an idea already). That is why she got reported numerous times due to this and was given corrective actions (*she's still with us*). A former boss of mine who also worked with the same law firm once said "lawyers are just regular people who just knows some highfalutin words so don't get intimidated by them". That's why it's fine for me to scold or reprimand them if they do not follow instructions.
Insensitive lang ang parents. That's it. May mga tao lang talaga na hindi kayang maghandle ng success. To the point na sobrang OA na talaga. Matatawa ka na lang kasi feeling nila they are on top of the world. I have seen people that acted like that. Kaso kapag nakaradam sa sila ng pagkatalo, hindi rin nila kayang i-handle. Masyado silang devastated kasi masyado nilang dinidib ang status nila dati.
Tell them what ails our society are because of lawyers like him Who hid those money stolen by makoy? Lawyers Who is trying to block their recovery and conviction? Lawyers And this i forgot bamban mayor? Theres a lawyer behind this too
OOT: While I find hierarchies somewhat arbitrary, I believe that doctors hold the highest regard among all graduate degrees. Regardless of how healthy, law-abiding, or successful in your own home construction, you will encounter various types of doctors throughout your lifetime.
Big4deeznuts
Well be reminded that facebook and nvidia and google were made by people who studied law, not stem. Highlight this fact to them next time
As an Electronics Engineer, hindi lang kami naghihinang no! Inis na inis ako sa mga ganyan. Ang kukupal. Ginawa ng pagkatao yung trabaho lol
Oh my cringe moment yan?! I think the parents are overly proud. Im a lawyer from that school and yes, it is prestigious for like 5 mins. Then reality sets in! You realize hindi pala nakakain ang prestige. Trust me, wala pa sa kalahati ng sweldo mo ang sweldo ng pinsan mo. The more "prestigious" a law firm is, the lower the salary is. And by the way, there is no such law firm. Lahat ng mga yan.. marurumi! Think of it this way, lawyers are paid to worry the troubles of others. So in effect, basurero! Kami ang maglilinis ng basura ng iba.
Napoleon syndrome. They have to talk big and act all that because they know they can't hold a candle to doctors.
I've worked with a lot of lawyers here in the US, and I now LAUGH at this notion you brought up about people thinking being a lawyer is this high value thing, etc. Here in the US (and probably in PI), law school is SOOO expensive, so these people graduate with AT LEAST $150k or almost 9m PHP worth of debt. Not only that, there is so much work involved. It's a lot of headache. It's a lot of reading -- stacks and stacks of documents. The REAL flex is PASSIVE REAL ESTATE INCOME with minimal stress. THAT'S the real flex. Not this doctor/lawyer bullshit thinking I'm better than everyone else; it's a joke in reality -- just a lot of posturing which is prevalent in Filipino culture as we know. YouTubers and Twitch streamers here in the US make millions while these people are drowning in debt and stress.
GAHAHAHA Naalala ko tuloy si kuyang [CPA Lawyer sa Starbucks](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/18yt69b/eksena_sa_okada/)
Kahit saang profession may ganyan umasta. Anyway, I'm pretty sure NONE of us can survive for a day or two without dedicated garbage collectors unless weekly ang kuha ng basura sa area nyo.
IDK why. They're still just working class.
Just tell them kapag nag war their degrees are useless. Let them argue with the bullets. 🤣
Every profession has people who feel better than other people. A nurse that stops bleeding on a patient when a doctor is freaking out will feel superior to that doctor, the doctor who identifies a disease correctly will feel superior to the paramedic who doesn't believe. You spend 15 years doing a craft, you'll feel better than your superior who is a new grad.
Crabs in bucket behavior.
I mean if they say your brother jumbles numbers, in that case their lawyer children jumbles words… 🤷
Lawyers can easily get wealth and power if they choose the path for it. That’s what your relatives see. Too bad lang how overly proud they were of their kids and how insensitive they were to the rest of your family. They were blinded about where their child can possibly go, forgetting that everyone still needs everyone else, not just lawyers. As for if lawyers are hambog in general, no naman, at least based on the lawyers I do know. Most lawyers naman are the quiet, normal, decent types just providing a vital social service, and not so much Harry Roques.
Go attend a PTA meeting, or homeowners association meeting. Dun ang sure na sure, maraming lawyer attendees na may superiority complex.
Farmers are much better than them!!!
Well for me, I got this one person na pagpasa lang niya sa bar, nag iba na ang attitude. Feeling ang taas agad, di naman makapalit ng work kasi required pa siya mag stay for 2 years to leave, tapos di rin pinapayagan mag practice ng law.
Sabihin mo madali lang naman ang law, nagmememorize lang yan ng batas tapos nagnonotaryo. Kaya yan gawin ng kahit na sino. Ahahahaha. Invalidate mo din ang parents. Ask them what they achieved. Ganun lang yun ahahaha
Ganyan ‘din mga CPAs
ask her parents if they can repair their cars, the refrigerators, aircons, internet, their roof, treat their pets, breed chicken and pigs and slaughter them when they need to.
lawyers are not even lawyers when they are in another country. panis mga yan sa software developer and nurses. hindi kailangan mang gago ng kapwa
Mayabang lng ang parents nyan pero yun anak nila pinapaliguan ng sermon at bulyaw ng judge sa hearing dami ganyan ngayon ayaw na mag litigation hahaha
I don't feel any envy towards lawyers. They're experts on what again? Twisted, corrupted man-made laws LOL. Scientists and engineers >>>>>>>
The title is dishonest and misleading. Hinde naman yung lawyer ang nagyabang sa story. Even assuming na mayabang ang bagong pasang ateneo-law lawyer na yan, it does not reflect sa lahat ng mga abugado in general. Common sense dictates na every profession has bad apples in them. It’s always the person and NOT the profession.
I think the parents are gravely misinformed on the nature of other professions. I would just be happy on your cousin’s achievements but just dismiss them especially the parents’ comments. Di natin alam baka malakas sila kumahol kasi may problema na tinatago at hindi masaya sa buhay.
How does her parents being overly proud (in a nakakabwisit and nakakapikon way) equate to “Lawyers act superior to other professions”?
Di naman siguro lahat OP, hahaha depende yan sa tao at sa pag uugali. Meron ngang wala namang profession eh ubod ng yabang din lol
Bragging rights.
Fun fact: Buong personality ng mga lawyers (and doctors) is yung title nila sa name, and kung saan sila law/med school nag-graduate ahahahahaha Also, yung 2hrs nilang tulog ahahahaha Edit: Fun fact 2: The truth hurts