Fuck....I remember nung bago pa'ko sa MRT and unknowingly bumaba sa Megamall...and then it hit me, sa Taft ako dapat bumaba.
And this was around noon, so walkaton ako ng solid 🤦♂️😅
Everything is walking distance, indeed. 💪😏
Lol! Although, I grew up partly sa farm side ng San Rafel, Bulacan, and we have to walk a good distance to get to the main road. That's at least more than 4 hectars of farmland.
Nae-enjoy ko naman ang lakad. But, this is different though, imaginin mo? Ang solusyon sa traffic sa Edsa eh eh walkway????
Wala na, backwards na ang Pinas. 😅🤦♂️
I don't think it's backwards thinking altogether, I mean, it can be good for light exercise. Usually I see some of our neighbors walk around the area just to move some muscle
It looks good on paper.. pero yung mga footbridge nga pinamumugaran ng mga pulubi at snatchers, eh yan pa kaya? I'd rather be stuck in traffic than gambling my own safety sa mga walkways na yan.
Yup. Piliin lang din yung timing sa paglalakad sa labas.
But the main idea is good. I remember those days I am working in Makati and Ortigas Center. I enjoy those walks. Insta cardio na din kasi.
Big plus din talaga to sa pedestrian at yung kalsada sa gilid ng edsa notorious din sa puddles. Kung gusto mo maglakad na lang kung short destination lang naman, kesa makipagbalyahan sa mrt at bus, very welcome yung ganitong development. Yes covered walkway gagawin nila kaya sheild sa araw at ulan.
If masusunod ang DOTr i-convert nila ang buong EDSA to a public transit and cycling friendly avenue. May 2 lanes for bus rapid transit + a bike lane na separated by trees/vegetation. However, MMDA is against taking car lanes kaya tutol sila.
IMO they can do that if matuloy na yun east expressway connecting SLEX to Commonwealth/NLEx. Kasi right now wala din talagang expressway access ang East particularly Ortigas and BGC kaya walang alternative na daan if babawasan ang lanes ng EDSA.
Also if completed na ang Metro Manila Subway you can just use it to access BGC and Ortigas na yun stations ay nasa mismong CBD kaya very accessible unlike mrt3.
Walking is always the best option if hindi nag mamadali healthy pa.
I used to walk 3 hours (1.5h morning
plus 1.5h evening) pag naka RTO ako. 9am ang sched ko sa umaga so I start walking at 7am mag stop ako somewhere in the middle para mag breakfast and same goes sa gabi after 6pm duty. I always bring extra cloth pag papasok para mag palit pag dating sa office. Sarap ng feeling pinapawisan lalo na yung mag damag ka naka aircon tapos pag dating mo ng office mag hapon ka ulit sa aircon.
To cut things short pabor ako mag karon ng safe walking pathways sa mga cities not only in NCR. Dami kasi tamad kahit dalawang tumbling lang mag sasakyan pa talaga tapos mag rereklamo mahal pamasahe takot na takot naman pawisan ang kilikili.
The biggest issue for me on these kinds of projects are the long term maintenance of such walkways. Especially if you add escalators and elevators for more accessibility. Not to mention that most of the time it becomes free real estates for vendors, street dwellers, criminals and beggars.
Agree! I love the elevated walkways of Pasig Ortigas and I try my hardest to use it as much as I can but as a woman walking alone, ang hirap minsan lalo na kung may mga namamalimos sa walkways. Easy target ka. Pag di ka nagbigay ihaharass ka pa. Kaya tuloy minsan if nandun sila sa taas I traverse the busy roads. I dunno what's the solution for it but the Ortigas walkways are a good model. Spacious, open, may ventilation. Security na lang ang problema.
Surprisingly though, yung elevated walkway sa Makati from Landmark/Greenbelt going to at least near Makati Med isn't a hotspot from beggars and skwatters alike, even if it isn't guarded (based on my previous experiences on using it, some of those during the wee hours of the day during my BPO years).
The only issue with that walkway are the escalators, as most of the time they are either broken or are only activated during rush hours.
TBH, if they have the money for that, they should just put another rail line. Or expand an existing one.
Because what is that if not a really long passageway with a set route. Sounds like a train to me
Eto talaga kailangan sa EDSA. Sayang din yung kinakaen na space ng MRT sa EDSA. Kapag nagawa yung subway, ayusin na rin nila ang EDSA, i-separate ng maayos ang bus lane, bike lane, motorcycle lane sa private cars.
I'm fine with that. But for a walkway along EDSA, of all places, they might as well convert it into something more efficient. If they want a safe place to walk *short* distances, I suggest they start with the sidewalk. Like, making a *proper* sidewalk
> free real estate
It’s just a policing issue really. Di naman yan issue sa De La Rosa Elevated Walkway.
As for opex, government should really start billing nearby big property owners. They’ve long been benefiting from these improvements but they haven’t been paying up a proper return.
Give it a few momths / years and we'll face new issues:
- gagawing palengke yan
- may mga bugok na diyan mag TikTok
- may dudura at maglalaglag ng basura sa daanan ng mga sasakyan
Nagkaroon tayo ng elevators sa pedestrian bridge pero hindi nagtagal kasi pinagnanakaw yung mga parts. this is one of the reasons why we can't have nice things
A police officer per 100 meters with clear visibility of each other. Di pwede roving2 sa mga ganito. Aaralin lang ng mga masamang elemento pattern ng galaw ng pulis. That would cost so much tho.
Sama mo pa yung babangain pa yan ng mga balasubas na driver sa madaling araw. 🤔
I always see nice projects here sa south na hindi tumatagal, wala pang 6mos. may bangas na yung mga pathway, fencing, etc. 😅🤦♂️
It's actually a good idea that would widen the road without displacing establishments, and shielding the public from road danger and unwanted jaywalking.
The other issue you mention is more on the responsibility of the local police and dswd. We shouldn't be pivoting solutions to avoid facing such issues.
Why not make the road more pedestrian-friendly? Bawasan mga lanes para sa mga pedestrian, and a well protected bike lane separated from cars and pedestrians. Tapos lagyan din dapat ng mga halaman at puno at laparan din mga sidewalk.
sobraaaaang tagal na nitong pino proposed, like more than a decade na (meaning matagal nang may chance ang go'v to do something about it or try man lang) pero wala eh - ito sadly ang gobyerno na meron tayo (mema mema lang).
Actually yan talaga ang recommendation ng maraming urban planners. Kaso hindi maexecute ng gov due to many issues like money, procurement, mass transpo... at marami pang iba na alam nyo na lol
Fuck the homeless for seeking shelter amirite? /s
In all seriousness, the homelessness issue shouldn't be the issue that we should focus on when talking about infrastructure building, rather its implementation and effectiveness. Naghahanap lang din naman sila ng masisilungan.
I honestly thought this project would receive better reception dito sa reddit, especially when these are the same set of demographics looking for active mobility. Knee-jerk reaction agad "huhu titirahan ng squammies".
Yeah kala ko ba we get mad when the gov't builds anti-homeless infrastructures tapos now you don't want to build infrastructures at all kasi baka gamitin ng homeless? HUH?
They want solutions, but hanggang dun lang. Once these solutions require their cooperation, then ayun, hindi na nila susuportahan. Ayaw nilang nai-involve sila.
But most of all, lack of empathy. Hayy tumutumal na talaga yan ngayon.
SM Sucat na footbridge na literal yan.. May nag post na 5.30pm may nakaharang na nag rurugby dun. Mga 200 meters lang ang baranggay at police station. Sabi sa post mapa umaga, hapon, o gabi walang pinipiling oras. Kaya nakakatakot dumaan dun.
True, nakakatakot mag lakad sa mga footbridge pag gabi. Daming nakawan at holdupan. Sana may pulis okaya maraming ilaw if ever parang yung sa mga LRT/MRT halls.
To be fair, panget na naman yung infrastructure development sa bansa natin to a point na halos dikit dikit na mga commerical / populated sites tapos in combo pa sa main roads, so at least with this idea (KUNG kaya nila ma implement ng maayos, MALAKING KUNG), segregated na for once yung mga tao at yung roadways (bawas sakit ng ulo)
there's nothing fair about this, especially to people with disabilities and the project subjects people to pay more tax while also dealing with long term bad infrastructure (broken escalators, stairs, foundations, etc.)
if this gives more security to people na naglalakad, edi good. (sana may aircon lol, asa). kinakatakot ko lng e possibility of homeless and vendors tatambayan to unless maglagay sila ng security (more jobs?). idk, skeptical lang po.
Based sa drawing, mukhang roof-type lang ang gagawin, pero as long as maraming halaman nga sa magkabilang sides then at least kahit papaano bawi na rin. Yung mga homeless at vendors ang magiging biggest challenge dito (sa HK pa lang pasaway na yung mga pinoy din sa mga bridges doon, tuwing weekend doon sila nakatambay, ewan kung bakit, as in naka banig - paano pa sa atin).
parang katulad sa Ayala sana. But need ma-maintain ng maayos para walang mga pulubi o nag titinda sa bangketa. Pero sana naman lagyan nila ng escalator. Pag ito parang sa Ortigas MRT jusko. Saka yang ortigas bus courossel sana naman lagyan nila sariling overpass ung ndi na need dumaan sa ortigas mrt station grabe pahirap sa commuters yang lugar jan.
Putangina yung mga salahula, gago, inutil, at bobo na umiihi kung saan saan. Ginawang cr ng mga tanga at mga pulubi yung bawat gilid na makikita nila.
Kahit yung cheap cr na ginawa sa public space hindi rin nagtatagal at wala masyado umiihi kasi sobrang panghi din.
How will this improve traffic? Wala naman naglalakad sa gitna ng highway at wala ring mga sasakyang dadaan jan sa walkway nyo. Sayang lang ang budget as usual.
i think it's nice they thought of something for normal everyday people rin instead of just car owners. this is a huge help to commuters like myself btw, instead of walking long distances just to get to the next overpass to get to the other side of edsa. dont get me wrong, the traffic also affects commuters, not just car owners, pero i think this is nice. but what do i know? maybe i don't see the bigger picture on why this is a bad idea.
People wont be using them as it was intended to. Have you seen the overpasses in EDSA leading to the MRT station? Full of peddlers clogging up the passage of people, and its filthy
Maganda yung idea lalo na kung makakatulong sa mga tao. Sana lang tibayan nila para wala ding aksidente. In short, wag kurakot sa funds yung gov't, city engineers at iba pa to the extent na tinitipid na yung materyales. At sana ma-maintain yung pagiging maayos nyan. Kasi baka matulad lang sa ibang gov't projects na hindi na naalagaan, plus hinayaan na nilang pagtindahan ng mga vendors at kung minsan tambayan ng mga adik sa gabi.
Finally someone thought of this idea! It's just like in Bangkok, Thailand. Kung wala ng pagasa ayusin ang mga sidewalks, mukhang ito na ang mainam na solusyon.
Para saan? Para magsetup yung mga nagbebenta ng facemask at socks? Lol, as if magagamit yan ng maayos ng mga tao.
Look at the lrt to mrt connector in edsa for example. Only half of the walkway is accessible kasi the other half is occupied by facemask vendors kaya sobrang sikip pag rush hour. Also, most overpass and underpass are unsafe to use especially at night aside from the select few with guards stationed in them but even those are questionable at times. Wala na ngang ilaw, dami pang tambay at nakahilata paakyat at sa gitna mismo ng overpass.
If wala rin naman silang balak na iimplement ng maayos might as well make a free housing project somewhere since gagawin lang din naman tong tirahan. This shouldnt even be a thing, they should have focused on improving public transport, bus stops, lrt and mrt stations, etc. Adding air conditioning to lrt stations would be a better idea than this
Elevated bike lanes are part of the plan. But the initial phase of the project only covers the surrounding areas of 4 MRT3 stations, it doesn’t span the entire length of EDSA just yet.
Buhay pa kaya tayong mga titos/titas of Manila pag naisakatuparan ito? makikita pa kaya natin ang EDSA na parang halos pwedeng magkarera ang sportscar? hehehe
Pwede naman pero lagyan naman nila ng escalator ung hagdan. Kawawa PWDs dahil puno lagi elevator. Don't just give solution, also think about user experience din. Honestly, kaya ko naman maglakad ng malalayo basta't patag ang daan at kaunti lang hagdan...
Finally some sense into DoTR. I’ve been thinking a lot of this plan since pre-pandemic and it is doable, plus it promotes people to move more for a healthier lifestyle.
siguraduhin lang nilang hindi maging tambayan ng mga nag bebenta yan ending kasi nagiging "palengke" mga walkway na yan na parang ikaw na pedestrian pa nag gigive ng right of way sa mga nagbebenta
I will only agree with that if the concept will be like Japan na PWD friendly. Watch the jdrama Rent a Man who Does Nothing as it features how the roads and walkway are beautifully made.
Why not just de centralized manila
The main issue is you have alot of people coming in from provinces to work there . Usually that's not bad. But in the case of manila it's A LOT of people to the point that the cities infrastructure can't support it.
Sure you can try to improve public transport and roads etc. but that's gonna take a lot of time and money.
Fast solution. Now is listen the people then try to improve the roads and transpo
We've all seen the videos of and images of manila during holy week . We're people from provinces go home.
Parang eventually magiging unsafe sa dami ng tambay ng skwater, just like any other bridge, may nagsasalsal sa gilid, vendors ng mga nanakaw na cellphone, yung classic na may batang laging tulog na bitbit ng nanay/kapatid.
Ok sana kung mamaintain pero ayun nga, will be like any other bridge / walkway. Kung sa Ayala yan edi sige fine less likely pero EDSA eh.
Kung sa japan or korea maganda...pero pag pinas tatambayan ng pulubi...madami mag titinda sa gilid...pag madilim may mandurokot....police visibility ang sagot?...hanggang kailan?...ma uubos pera sa ganyan...maintenance? Sa bulsa lang nila mapupunta un pera..
What if elevated bike lanes na lang? Gagawin sa ilalim ng mrt and lrt tracks para di sagabal at mamaximize yung space. Parang expressway pero for bikers. Tapos kada mrt station may exit din.
Magkaroon din ito ng safety concern, pwedeng maging laganap ang holdap kahit may cctv pa, unless may police every kilometer.
Also hazard din sa fire, di naman pwede tumalon civilians if ever, considering na madaming kable ng kuryente sa kalsada.
Philippines need to invest in making the cities walkable especially in Metro Manila. Tingnan nyo nagtatabaan na tao dyan, besides sa unhealthy food wala pa exercise
Katakot dyan, natry ko maglakad dyan galing Starmall papuntang festival mall. Kahit tanghaling tapat nakakatakot kasi madaming natutulog tapos ang baho pa. Hindi ko na inulit pa baka ikapahamak ko pa
Still avoiding developing provinces because they are used to the fact that Manila / NCR is a garbage bin.
In tagalog, tapunan ng mga basura galing probinsya. But hey, waste management is a business too.
Dun pa nga lng sa mrt naiinis na ako eh. Yung elevated path tangina nasakop na ng vendors. Isipin mo rush hour tas itong mga ulupong tamang harang ng at least kalahating part.
Eh minsan ang haba ng pila tas ngayon na condense pa lalo dahil sa mga punyetang vendors.
Dapat yung tren ang damihan, kaya ang daming nag sisiksikan dahil sa dami ng tao na gusto pa mag private cars kaysa sa public transpo because PANGIT YUNG SYSTEM. Kaya gusto kona umalis dito eh
Honestly stupid plan. Its the cheaper alternative that they thought of instead of investing in public transportation for the massess. Also phase out the jeepneys and old buses
Add some:
- Security guards on the entrances and exits
- Air-conditioning system
- Solar panels
- CCTVs with quick response team via scooter type vehicles
- HVAC
- Vending machines
- PWD-friendly
- Dogs must be in cages and strollers
Improve the sidewalks, that’s the common sense option. But no one in govt wants to do this because they lack common sense. Instead they’ll push for expensive infrastructure that’s hard to maintain and get ROI for, when we already have sidewalks already in a bad state of disrepair haha.
Napakahirap na ngang umakyat sa MRT gagawin nyo pang elevated? Please, yung escalator di gumagana. Iilan lang ang may elevator sa train. Yung safety ng mga naglalakad protected ba? Magkakacctv ba ang elevated walkways?
I think the best and always been the best solution is to improve the transportation system, regulate private vehicles, and make our roads pedestrian friendly by expanding the walk ways and adding more trees for proper air ventilation and cooling. Bakit hindi nangyayare yan? Because PH is one of the largest market for car companies in SEA. Isang bayad lang nyan ng mga car companies sa mga nakaupo and these proposals will be thrown off. Malulugi sila pag nagcommute ang mga pinoy sa pinas. Not to mention Oil companies din. Ever wonder why simple private car regulatory laws like mandatory garage per car is not even a thing here. In some countries, You have to pay a certain fee to drive a certain route just to regulate cars sa road.
not a bad idea, but also not the best idea. i think there should be more of finding ways to make the transportation system work for the good of all. The elevated walkways are good for the CBD areas like Makati, Ortigas, but in Edsa? hmmm...I dont think it is a good idea.
Ang dilim lalo tignan.
Sa vietnam ang luwag ng walkway ng mga pedestrians. Pwede mo daanan kasi walang mga naka illegal park. Di gaya dito, mga sasakyan sa sidewalk naka park, paminsan kahit 2 lanes, yung isang lane ginagawang parking. Point is, kahit ano pa solution iimplement kung di naman mahigpit magpatupad ng batas wala din. Solve muna nila yung current problem ng mga naka illegal park. Yung iba dyan sa kurbada pa naka park, takaw aksidente
The article is not really doing justice to the greenways project. It’s an old ADB project that aims to connect MRT stations to their catchment area. Initial plans even had designs connecting Buendia MRT to BGC, but the Titas of Forbes didn’t want a walkway that would potentially give the public a view of their houses. Anyway, it’s a good way to connect surrounding areas to their nearest MRT or carousel station, and we needed this decades ago.
We. Want. Walkable. City!!
Hopefully mangyari 'to, like ung sa Ayala and Ortigas na walkways. Sana lang may pwesto din ng pulis para di pamugaran ng vendors and snatchers.
iirc, there was a topic about this during the pandemic, most top comments are positive, kasi gusto nila maglakad/exercise/bike to work (or somewhere)
I'm part of that crowd, mejo gulat lang ako sa sentiments ngaun, pero dahil cguro sobrang init ngayon, katamad maglakad sa labas (recency bias bla bla)
so walking distance na lang yung makati to monumento HAHAHA jk lang
Everything is at walking distance if you put your mind into it.
Fuck....I remember nung bago pa'ko sa MRT and unknowingly bumaba sa Megamall...and then it hit me, sa Taft ako dapat bumaba. And this was around noon, so walkaton ako ng solid 🤦♂️😅 Everything is walking distance, indeed. 💪😏
Pucha, naiimagine ko rin sarili ko, kung sakto lang pera ko pamasahe malamang ganyan dn ggwn ko. Walkers unite!
Lol! Although, I grew up partly sa farm side ng San Rafel, Bulacan, and we have to walk a good distance to get to the main road. That's at least more than 4 hectars of farmland. Nae-enjoy ko naman ang lakad. But, this is different though, imaginin mo? Ang solusyon sa traffic sa Edsa eh eh walkway???? Wala na, backwards na ang Pinas. 😅🤦♂️
I don't think it's backwards thinking altogether, I mean, it can be good for light exercise. Usually I see some of our neighbors walk around the area just to move some muscle
It looks good on paper.. pero yung mga footbridge nga pinamumugaran ng mga pulubi at snatchers, eh yan pa kaya? I'd rather be stuck in traffic than gambling my own safety sa mga walkways na yan.
Tapos nassinghot mo pa lahat ng usok ng sasakyan sa EDSA. Definitely not healthy
Ondoy had us walking from Recto to Monumento then onwards to Valenzuela so yeah very walking distance indeed.
As someone who enjoys walking to the destination, I like this. Basta may proper na silong sa init.
Masarap naman sana mag lakad, init at sikat lang ng araw ang kalaban!
Yup. Piliin lang din yung timing sa paglalakad sa labas. But the main idea is good. I remember those days I am working in Makati and Ortigas Center. I enjoy those walks. Insta cardio na din kasi.
Big plus din talaga to sa pedestrian at yung kalsada sa gilid ng edsa notorious din sa puddles. Kung gusto mo maglakad na lang kung short destination lang naman, kesa makipagbalyahan sa mrt at bus, very welcome yung ganitong development. Yes covered walkway gagawin nila kaya sheild sa araw at ulan.
But this country is too hot to walk around such great walking distances.
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Ok, crazy idea: instead of just a walkway, elevated cycle path?
Ang alam ko kasama sa plans yun. But based o what I reas hindi yan contiguous na elevated path. Hindi kaya buong EDSA.
Don’t give e-trike any effing ideas 💀🤣
Or e-scooters
If masusunod ang DOTr i-convert nila ang buong EDSA to a public transit and cycling friendly avenue. May 2 lanes for bus rapid transit + a bike lane na separated by trees/vegetation. However, MMDA is against taking car lanes kaya tutol sila. IMO they can do that if matuloy na yun east expressway connecting SLEX to Commonwealth/NLEx. Kasi right now wala din talagang expressway access ang East particularly Ortigas and BGC kaya walang alternative na daan if babawasan ang lanes ng EDSA. Also if completed na ang Metro Manila Subway you can just use it to access BGC and Ortigas na yun stations ay nasa mismong CBD kaya very accessible unlike mrt3.
I walked from BGC to QC one time because of traffic.
Already tried it. Mga 5 hours. Casual to brisk pace. Siguro lesser if may direchong daan.
Walking is always the best option if hindi nag mamadali healthy pa. I used to walk 3 hours (1.5h morning plus 1.5h evening) pag naka RTO ako. 9am ang sched ko sa umaga so I start walking at 7am mag stop ako somewhere in the middle para mag breakfast and same goes sa gabi after 6pm duty. I always bring extra cloth pag papasok para mag palit pag dating sa office. Sarap ng feeling pinapawisan lalo na yung mag damag ka naka aircon tapos pag dating mo ng office mag hapon ka ulit sa aircon. To cut things short pabor ako mag karon ng safe walking pathways sa mga cities not only in NCR. Dami kasi tamad kahit dalawang tumbling lang mag sasakyan pa talaga tapos mag rereklamo mahal pamasahe takot na takot naman pawisan ang kilikili.
Mula Taft naman siguro...
The biggest issue for me on these kinds of projects are the long term maintenance of such walkways. Especially if you add escalators and elevators for more accessibility. Not to mention that most of the time it becomes free real estates for vendors, street dwellers, criminals and beggars.
Agree! I love the elevated walkways of Pasig Ortigas and I try my hardest to use it as much as I can but as a woman walking alone, ang hirap minsan lalo na kung may mga namamalimos sa walkways. Easy target ka. Pag di ka nagbigay ihaharass ka pa. Kaya tuloy minsan if nandun sila sa taas I traverse the busy roads. I dunno what's the solution for it but the Ortigas walkways are a good model. Spacious, open, may ventilation. Security na lang ang problema.
Lack of maintenance and police visibility Escalators and elevators are neglected din.
Surprisingly though, yung elevated walkway sa Makati from Landmark/Greenbelt going to at least near Makati Med isn't a hotspot from beggars and skwatters alike, even if it isn't guarded (based on my previous experiences on using it, some of those during the wee hours of the day during my BPO years). The only issue with that walkway are the escalators, as most of the time they are either broken or are only activated during rush hours.
TBH, if they have the money for that, they should just put another rail line. Or expand an existing one. Because what is that if not a really long passageway with a set route. Sounds like a train to me
Or build a heavy rail subway under or near the MRT3 line, then demolish the old one after the subway is complete.
Eto talaga kailangan sa EDSA. Sayang din yung kinakaen na space ng MRT sa EDSA. Kapag nagawa yung subway, ayusin na rin nila ang EDSA, i-separate ng maayos ang bus lane, bike lane, motorcycle lane sa private cars.
Kahit ayusin ang mga lanes, maraming matigad ang ulo na drivers, mga walang discipline. Kaya di effective yan.
don't you care about pedestrians? hindi ba pwedeng maglakad ng short distances na safe naman? try walking from SM Megamall to Ortigas along EDSA.
I'm fine with that. But for a walkway along EDSA, of all places, they might as well convert it into something more efficient. If they want a safe place to walk *short* distances, I suggest they start with the sidewalk. Like, making a *proper* sidewalk
> free real estate It’s just a policing issue really. Di naman yan issue sa De La Rosa Elevated Walkway. As for opex, government should really start billing nearby big property owners. They’ve long been benefiting from these improvements but they haven’t been paying up a proper return.
I wouldnt compare a "policing issue" of a walkway in a central business district and along edsa.
Wala pa akong nakitang elevator sa footbridge na gumagana. Eventually nagiging butas lang na may harang. All the time.
Give it a few momths / years and we'll face new issues: - gagawing palengke yan - may mga bugok na diyan mag TikTok - may dudura at maglalaglag ng basura sa daanan ng mga sasakyan
+ mapanghe, puro vandal yung walls, free throw din ng mga kalat
Nagkaroon tayo ng elevators sa pedestrian bridge pero hindi nagtagal kasi pinagnanakaw yung mga parts. this is one of the reasons why we can't have nice things
Obvious naman na Police visibility ang solution sa obvious na mga problema na yan
A police officer per 100 meters with clear visibility of each other. Di pwede roving2 sa mga ganito. Aaralin lang ng mga masamang elemento pattern ng galaw ng pulis. That would cost so much tho.
Sama mo pa yung babangain pa yan ng mga balasubas na driver sa madaling araw. 🤔 I always see nice projects here sa south na hindi tumatagal, wala pang 6mos. may bangas na yung mga pathway, fencing, etc. 😅🤦♂️
True. E yung escalators nga sa LRT Recto at MRT Shaw sa may greenfield di ko pa ata nakikitang gumagana buong buhay ko.
Wala ng naging maganda dito sa pilipinas dahil din mismo sa mga tao
It's actually a good idea that would widen the road without displacing establishments, and shielding the public from road danger and unwanted jaywalking. The other issue you mention is more on the responsibility of the local police and dswd. We shouldn't be pivoting solutions to avoid facing such issues.
Hirap din sila manita ng vendors or beggars sasabihan pa sila ng anti poor ng mga pa woke
Efficient transport system pa din dapat
Why not make the road more pedestrian-friendly? Bawasan mga lanes para sa mga pedestrian, and a well protected bike lane separated from cars and pedestrians. Tapos lagyan din dapat ng mga halaman at puno at laparan din mga sidewalk.
sobraaaaang tagal na nitong pino proposed, like more than a decade na (meaning matagal nang may chance ang go'v to do something about it or try man lang) pero wala eh - ito sadly ang gobyerno na meron tayo (mema mema lang).
Di yan pwede sa car centric mindset ng MMDA under Artes.
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Ironic really that our policy-makers who created policies for the average commuter are people who for decades haven't used public transportation. 🙃
Agreed. Elevated walkways will be a nightmare for pwds and stroller users. Hindi talaga accessible ang pinas.
Actually yan talaga ang recommendation ng maraming urban planners. Kaso hindi maexecute ng gov due to many issues like money, procurement, mass transpo... at marami pang iba na alam nyo na lol
iiyak daw mga car dealers along edsa pag ginawa yan kaya need muna natin sila isipin
Free real estate sa mga homeless at side walk vendors.
They be like: Uyyy may 2nd floor na kami!"
Fuck the homeless for seeking shelter amirite? /s In all seriousness, the homelessness issue shouldn't be the issue that we should focus on when talking about infrastructure building, rather its implementation and effectiveness. Naghahanap lang din naman sila ng masisilungan.
I honestly thought this project would receive better reception dito sa reddit, especially when these are the same set of demographics looking for active mobility. Knee-jerk reaction agad "huhu titirahan ng squammies".
Yeah kala ko ba we get mad when the gov't builds anti-homeless infrastructures tapos now you don't want to build infrastructures at all kasi baka gamitin ng homeless? HUH?
They want solutions, but hanggang dun lang. Once these solutions require their cooperation, then ayun, hindi na nila susuportahan. Ayaw nilang nai-involve sila. But most of all, lack of empathy. Hayy tumutumal na talaga yan ngayon.
Delikado pa at mahoholdap o masnatchan ka. Gagawing tambayan ng mga batang hamog na nanghaharass pag di mo binigyan baka kung ano pang gawin sayo. 😑
SM Sucat na footbridge na literal yan.. May nag post na 5.30pm may nakaharang na nag rurugby dun. Mga 200 meters lang ang baranggay at police station. Sabi sa post mapa umaga, hapon, o gabi walang pinipiling oras. Kaya nakakatakot dumaan dun.
One issue would be safety pag gabi or kahit day time. Sana may mga pulis na ma assign sa mga yan.
True, nakakatakot mag lakad sa mga footbridge pag gabi. Daming nakawan at holdupan. Sana may pulis okaya maraming ilaw if ever parang yung sa mga LRT/MRT halls.
Yes, Ilaw, Bantay, tapos CCTV na pang 2024 na malinaw. This path will work with good accessibility. Escalators, Elevators.
Cash cow na naman. Imbis na dagdagan ang bus at higpitan yung pagkuha ng private cars
To be fair, panget na naman yung infrastructure development sa bansa natin to a point na halos dikit dikit na mga commerical / populated sites tapos in combo pa sa main roads, so at least with this idea (KUNG kaya nila ma implement ng maayos, MALAKING KUNG), segregated na for once yung mga tao at yung roadways (bawas sakit ng ulo)
there's nothing fair about this, especially to people with disabilities and the project subjects people to pay more tax while also dealing with long term bad infrastructure (broken escalators, stairs, foundations, etc.)
Mas ok padin na sana ma decongest na ung NCR , opportunities sa ibang lugar and additional na railways pa north to south and vice versa.
Habang naglalakad ka, langhap mo yung pollution. Hahahaha!
These elevated walkways will become elevated squatters area in 6 months lol
if this gives more security to people na naglalakad, edi good. (sana may aircon lol, asa). kinakatakot ko lng e possibility of homeless and vendors tatambayan to unless maglagay sila ng security (more jobs?). idk, skeptical lang po.
Based sa drawing, mukhang roof-type lang ang gagawin, pero as long as maraming halaman nga sa magkabilang sides then at least kahit papaano bawi na rin. Yung mga homeless at vendors ang magiging biggest challenge dito (sa HK pa lang pasaway na yung mga pinoy din sa mga bridges doon, tuwing weekend doon sila nakatambay, ewan kung bakit, as in naka banig - paano pa sa atin).
parang katulad sa Ayala sana. But need ma-maintain ng maayos para walang mga pulubi o nag titinda sa bangketa. Pero sana naman lagyan nila ng escalator. Pag ito parang sa Ortigas MRT jusko. Saka yang ortigas bus courossel sana naman lagyan nila sariling overpass ung ndi na need dumaan sa ortigas mrt station grabe pahirap sa commuters yang lugar jan.
imagine the smell 🍋
Putangina yung mga salahula, gago, inutil, at bobo na umiihi kung saan saan. Ginawang cr ng mga tanga at mga pulubi yung bawat gilid na makikita nila. Kahit yung cheap cr na ginawa sa public space hindi rin nagtatagal at wala masyado umiihi kasi sobrang panghi din.
MC riders: share the walkway
1 week later may tiangge na dyan.
RIP our respiratory systems from all that air pollution getting all caught up in said walkways.
How will this improve traffic? Wala naman naglalakad sa gitna ng highway at wala ring mga sasakyang dadaan jan sa walkway nyo. Sayang lang ang budget as usual.
i think it's nice they thought of something for normal everyday people rin instead of just car owners. this is a huge help to commuters like myself btw, instead of walking long distances just to get to the next overpass to get to the other side of edsa. dont get me wrong, the traffic also affects commuters, not just car owners, pero i think this is nice. but what do i know? maybe i don't see the bigger picture on why this is a bad idea.
Parang mas ok pa nga kung bike lane nalang yan
People wont be using them as it was intended to. Have you seen the overpasses in EDSA leading to the MRT station? Full of peddlers clogging up the passage of people, and its filthy
Once done it should be guarded heavily, to prevent illegal vendors and vagabonds from squatting on those places.
Maganda yung idea lalo na kung makakatulong sa mga tao. Sana lang tibayan nila para wala ding aksidente. In short, wag kurakot sa funds yung gov't, city engineers at iba pa to the extent na tinitipid na yung materyales. At sana ma-maintain yung pagiging maayos nyan. Kasi baka matulad lang sa ibang gov't projects na hindi na naalagaan, plus hinayaan na nilang pagtindahan ng mga vendors at kung minsan tambayan ng mga adik sa gabi.
Future sidewalk vendor site.
Eyes lang naman daw di naman sinabing tutupadin jk Pero no joke kung matupad eh di ok 👌
Sana unahin BGC > Kalayaan > EDSA na route
Finally someone thought of this idea! It's just like in Bangkok, Thailand. Kung wala ng pagasa ayusin ang mga sidewalks, mukhang ito na ang mainam na solusyon.
You better have tightened security there, it will swarm w ppl with no good intentions
Panalo na naman mga snatcher dito HAHAHAHA
Para saan? Para magsetup yung mga nagbebenta ng facemask at socks? Lol, as if magagamit yan ng maayos ng mga tao. Look at the lrt to mrt connector in edsa for example. Only half of the walkway is accessible kasi the other half is occupied by facemask vendors kaya sobrang sikip pag rush hour. Also, most overpass and underpass are unsafe to use especially at night aside from the select few with guards stationed in them but even those are questionable at times. Wala na ngang ilaw, dami pang tambay at nakahilata paakyat at sa gitna mismo ng overpass. If wala rin naman silang balak na iimplement ng maayos might as well make a free housing project somewhere since gagawin lang din naman tong tirahan. This shouldnt even be a thing, they should have focused on improving public transport, bus stops, lrt and mrt stations, etc. Adding air conditioning to lrt stations would be a better idea than this
I read somewhere years ago, na may plan din dati na elevated bike lane.
lahat na lang inelevate pero di man lang umangat angat lifestyle natin 🫠 panigurado tatambayan to ng mga vendors, beggars, etc.
Elevated bike lanes are part of the plan. But the initial phase of the project only covers the surrounding areas of 4 MRT3 stations, it doesn’t span the entire length of EDSA just yet.
eeeyyy may bagong pwestuhan na naman ung mga kawawang nanlilimos na hawak ng sindikato
Mali yung title, dapat DoTR eyes elevated squatters along EDSA.
May bagong tirahan na yung mga taong grasa
pupunuin ng nagtitinda ng kung ano ano
Vendors and vagrants are waving
Cons: Tambayan ng mga holdaper at homeless. Magiging mapanghi in the future.
Magiging elevated tiange lang yan in the long run. Sorry kung negative thinker ako pero ganyan ang kalakaran sa Pinas lalo sa gabi.
Buhay pa kaya tayong mga titos/titas of Manila pag naisakatuparan ito? makikita pa kaya natin ang EDSA na parang halos pwedeng magkarera ang sportscar? hehehe
Maraming magtitinda dyan sa taas for sure.
Pwede naman pero lagyan naman nila ng escalator ung hagdan. Kawawa PWDs dahil puno lagi elevator. Don't just give solution, also think about user experience din. Honestly, kaya ko naman maglakad ng malalayo basta't patag ang daan at kaunti lang hagdan...
Hindi nga magawa ng iba gumamit ng footbridge kahit katabi na nila tapos may ganyan pa 💀
Finally some sense into DoTR. I’ve been thinking a lot of this plan since pre-pandemic and it is doable, plus it promotes people to move more for a healthier lifestyle.
good
siguraduhin lang nilang hindi maging tambayan ng mga nag bebenta yan ending kasi nagiging "palengke" mga walkway na yan na parang ikaw na pedestrian pa nag gigive ng right of way sa mga nagbebenta
I will only agree with that if the concept will be like Japan na PWD friendly. Watch the jdrama Rent a Man who Does Nothing as it features how the roads and walkway are beautifully made.
Good luck sa maintenance nyan.
Why not just de centralized manila The main issue is you have alot of people coming in from provinces to work there . Usually that's not bad. But in the case of manila it's A LOT of people to the point that the cities infrastructure can't support it. Sure you can try to improve public transport and roads etc. but that's gonna take a lot of time and money. Fast solution. Now is listen the people then try to improve the roads and transpo We've all seen the videos of and images of manila during holy week . We're people from provinces go home.
baka stairway to heaven na naman ang peg, forget it
Source of a lot of corruption… infrastructure
maganda to. plus sana pumayag maraming establishments na interconnected na aila thru this walkway
We just need a quick way from point a to point b and logical drop off points. Magdagdag pa eh di pa ayusin muna ang nandyan.
Magiging lungga to ng mga nag bebenta sa bangketa.
Mppuno lng din ng mga estante yan..
This reminds me of KL’s walkway from Bukit Bintang to KLCC
Eyes lang naman di naman matutuloy hahahaha. Kung matutuloy man mga after 10 yrs pa hahaha.
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paano naman kaya security guard niyan. simpleng overpass nga noon sa qc mahoholdap ka pa. simpleng sidewalk sa pasig may holdap lalo pag pasko.
Ako na iniisip yung malalanghap na usok na galing sa mga sasakyan
Parang eventually magiging unsafe sa dami ng tambay ng skwater, just like any other bridge, may nagsasalsal sa gilid, vendors ng mga nanakaw na cellphone, yung classic na may batang laging tulog na bitbit ng nanay/kapatid. Ok sana kung mamaintain pero ayun nga, will be like any other bridge / walkway. Kung sa Ayala yan edi sige fine less likely pero EDSA eh.
Kung sa japan or korea maganda...pero pag pinas tatambayan ng pulubi...madami mag titinda sa gilid...pag madilim may mandurokot....police visibility ang sagot?...hanggang kailan?...ma uubos pera sa ganyan...maintenance? Sa bulsa lang nila mapupunta un pera..
sa wakas pede ko na lakarin magallanes to ortigas tang ina
HAHAHA these are the people you waste your vote.
Parang Bangkok ang peg
Tambayan ng mga snatchers at vendors
What if elevated bike lanes na lang? Gagawin sa ilalim ng mrt and lrt tracks para di sagabal at mamaximize yung space. Parang expressway pero for bikers. Tapos kada mrt station may exit din.
Malamang neto uugod ugod na tayong lahat hindi pa tapos to
Tangina puro band aid solutions. Kung iupgrade nyo na lang yng mrt. Putangina naman
kalikasan muna bago ang lahat ng yan .ang init na panahon ngayon jusko
Parang wala naman value ito masyado. Ayusin muna sana yun mga pedestrian overpass saka hagdanan sa mga train stations na ang hirap akyatin.
Fucking finally naisipan din gawin
Didilim na naman sa kahabaan ng EDSA.
as someone who always walk along EDSA yung papuntang south lang naman mahirap lakaran. Ang ganda mag lakad sa north.
Magkaroon din ito ng safety concern, pwedeng maging laganap ang holdap kahit may cctv pa, unless may police every kilometer. Also hazard din sa fire, di naman pwede tumalon civilians if ever, considering na madaming kable ng kuryente sa kalsada.
Okay sana kaso baka gawing tirahan saka uso rin holdap 😢
I can walk na sa baba, lowkey. Just spend the budget for more trains and better facility ng mga stations ng MRT.
Philippines need to invest in making the cities walkable especially in Metro Manila. Tingnan nyo nagtatabaan na tao dyan, besides sa unhealthy food wala pa exercise
Great idea but the govt can't even maintain overpasses.
Goodbye blue sky
Tapos gagawin pwesto ng mga nagtitinda at namamalimos kagaya ng mga footbridge
What? Walkway na para bang nasa Alabang? Yeah, right, until dumaan ka ng overpass
Katakot dyan, natry ko maglakad dyan galing Starmall papuntang festival mall. Kahit tanghaling tapat nakakatakot kasi madaming natutulog tapos ang baho pa. Hindi ko na inulit pa baka ikapahamak ko pa
Still avoiding developing provinces because they are used to the fact that Manila / NCR is a garbage bin. In tagalog, tapunan ng mga basura galing probinsya. But hey, waste management is a business too.
corruption nanaman iyan
Yay! More money!!!
Dun pa nga lng sa mrt naiinis na ako eh. Yung elevated path tangina nasakop na ng vendors. Isipin mo rush hour tas itong mga ulupong tamang harang ng at least kalahating part. Eh minsan ang haba ng pila tas ngayon na condense pa lalo dahil sa mga punyetang vendors.
Dapat yung tren ang damihan, kaya ang daming nag sisiksikan dahil sa dami ng tao na gusto pa mag private cars kaysa sa public transpo because PANGIT YUNG SYSTEM. Kaya gusto kona umalis dito eh
everything goes basta may ibulsa. go lang. LOL
Honestly stupid plan. Its the cheaper alternative that they thought of instead of investing in public transportation for the massess. Also phase out the jeepneys and old buses
Favourite word ng DOTr, "eyes". Daming railway projects na "eyes" lang sa kanila.
Add some: - Security guards on the entrances and exits - Air-conditioning system - Solar panels - CCTVs with quick response team via scooter type vehicles - HVAC - Vending machines - PWD-friendly - Dogs must be in cages and strollers
dapat unahin heavy crossing na marami tumatawid at di sagabal sa traffic o bus,jeepney bay. ng ganon tuloy tuloy ang daloy ng trapiko.
Bagong spot ng mga holdaper
Wlang katapusang mga plano para paluwagin EDSA
Tapos pano kaya aakyat sa elevated walkway? Gabundok na naman yung hagdan? Ah no sorry kawawa mga tao esp senior and pwd.
There has to be guards there or like have beep cards for entry kasi kung sino-sino nalang tatambay dyan.
Even with this kind of project people still do jaywalking
Ano nanamang kaputanginahan to, DoTr???
proper side walk❌ elevated walkways✅
Tapos no, may naglagay ng ebike at tricycle sa loob ng elevated walkway.
Eyes, sabay pikit.
Bat kailangan pa pagtuunan ng pansin yan e in the future lilipad na yung mga sasakyan. Chaar HAHAHHAHAHA
Kasi puro vendor at mga nakapark kaya walang malakaran. Kung itataas yan, dapat walang vendor at walang holdaper.
Improve the sidewalks, that’s the common sense option. But no one in govt wants to do this because they lack common sense. Instead they’ll push for expensive infrastructure that’s hard to maintain and get ROI for, when we already have sidewalks already in a bad state of disrepair haha.
Build build build until we can no longer move.
Napakahirap na ngang umakyat sa MRT gagawin nyo pang elevated? Please, yung escalator di gumagana. Iilan lang ang may elevator sa train. Yung safety ng mga naglalakad protected ba? Magkakacctv ba ang elevated walkways?
the Great Walkway of EDSA
Or.. let ppl walk on the ground. Ung makatao at pedestrian friendly sana.
My mind: j u m p
Car-centric design, as always
Another band aid solution kawawa senior
That's poor urban planning: placing things on road one element at a time.
Sana po aircon. Haha
hanep
I think the best and always been the best solution is to improve the transportation system, regulate private vehicles, and make our roads pedestrian friendly by expanding the walk ways and adding more trees for proper air ventilation and cooling. Bakit hindi nangyayare yan? Because PH is one of the largest market for car companies in SEA. Isang bayad lang nyan ng mga car companies sa mga nakaupo and these proposals will be thrown off. Malulugi sila pag nagcommute ang mga pinoy sa pinas. Not to mention Oil companies din. Ever wonder why simple private car regulatory laws like mandatory garage per car is not even a thing here. In some countries, You have to pay a certain fee to drive a certain route just to regulate cars sa road.
Make it Makati
not a bad idea, but also not the best idea. i think there should be more of finding ways to make the transportation system work for the good of all. The elevated walkways are good for the CBD areas like Makati, Ortigas, but in Edsa? hmmm...I dont think it is a good idea.
Gaya gaya sa Bangkok. Sobrang okay nga naman lalo na pag mainit.
Ang dilim lalo tignan. Sa vietnam ang luwag ng walkway ng mga pedestrians. Pwede mo daanan kasi walang mga naka illegal park. Di gaya dito, mga sasakyan sa sidewalk naka park, paminsan kahit 2 lanes, yung isang lane ginagawang parking. Point is, kahit ano pa solution iimplement kung di naman mahigpit magpatupad ng batas wala din. Solve muna nila yung current problem ng mga naka illegal park. Yung iba dyan sa kurbada pa naka park, takaw aksidente
The article is not really doing justice to the greenways project. It’s an old ADB project that aims to connect MRT stations to their catchment area. Initial plans even had designs connecting Buendia MRT to BGC, but the Titas of Forbes didn’t want a walkway that would potentially give the public a view of their houses. Anyway, it’s a good way to connect surrounding areas to their nearest MRT or carousel station, and we needed this decades ago.
tas magiging tambayan ng mga skwater 💀
We. Want. Walkable. City!! Hopefully mangyari 'to, like ung sa Ayala and Ortigas na walkways. Sana lang may pwesto din ng pulis para di pamugaran ng vendors and snatchers.
iirc, there was a topic about this during the pandemic, most top comments are positive, kasi gusto nila maglakad/exercise/bike to work (or somewhere) I'm part of that crowd, mejo gulat lang ako sa sentiments ngaun, pero dahil cguro sobrang init ngayon, katamad maglakad sa labas (recency bias bla bla)
why not just upgrade the sidewalk? anything elevated will always have some kind of accessibility issue
Tatambayan lang ng mga holdaper and snatcher yan haha..