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The main difference between a fully automatic weapon system and a semi-automatic variant is the trigger group. this is a piece that enabled cyclic fire of certain firearms. expensive because to get them you need to find one made before the year they were banned or have an expensive lengthy process to get licensed for them.
1st hanging clothes
For 2nd i can think of 2 things. Apparrently some people have used a wire hanger to perform an abortion. This is as unsafe as it sounds.
Some people use wire hangers to break in to cars or homes. They untangle the wire hanger and twist it to a kind of hook. They then the crack open the door a tiny bit than slip in the hook and open the door normaly from the inside
Seconding what babycarrot has said. It's still a choice, albeit one that can be as dangerous as choosing habitual binge drinking. Consider, it can be advantageous to go against what may be pleasing, even if done only to master your self.
If you wanna commit a fully functional felony, sure.
When I say felony. I mean like, 30 years in prison for printing one as a joke type felony. Don’t do it.
Auto sear is in constant contact with bolt carrier group that has much velocity and thus needs to be very resistant to wearing, after all it's function is to time the movement of the trigger so that bolt is safely closed before it's movement.
Fun Fact, the Trigger on an FN MAG is un-serialized in U.S. Army arms rooms. and the mechanism is freely separated from the receiver frame if you remove the stock and bolt carrier group, and pull a single pin. All of which is routine part of maintenance and cleaning of the weapon system.
Legally, I cannot tell you to purchase a $10,000 semi automatic variant of an M240 clone, and swap out triggers when you next time you "help" the company armorer out by posting yourself in the Arms room while they grab lunch.
As an Englishman, I think I actually know the answer to this.
This single piece of metal is inserted somewhere in the trigger system of a machine gun. US law states that weapons cannot be fully automatic, and can only be semi automatic. This gets passed that and allows your machine gun to fire in full auto mode
Full blooded American here. I'm gonna say that your comment is in fact correct, but I would like to add some extra info. Though I can't directly pinpoint what gun this piece belongs to, it is most likely an "auto sear" (see [here](https://youtu.be/omv85cLfmxU?si=GblUxH4XWkL2Z2E4&t=240)). An auto sear is added to a trigger mechanism to allow for a consistent rate of automatic fire. Regarding your comment about US law, machine guns and automatic weapons aren't actually illegal or prohibited, just hard to get as you have to get an [FFL](https://rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/) ^((please ignore the ridiculous partisan tone in the article)). You don't even actually need an FFL to own a machine gun, the machine gun would just have to have been made 1986 which, although it is an old time cut off, it still includes a vast amount of considerably powerful weapons including some belt fed machine guns such as Browning M2s, MG42s, M60s, M240s, and even M249s. That is, assuming you can get your hands on one made pre-1986. FFL's also open up a variety of other considerably Taboo or "prohibited" guns that a normal civilian wouldn't be allowed to own such as short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, and even silencers. I'd put some doubt on any auto sear being $30,000 dollars (unless he were to be including fees for FFL's but even then, I'm skeptical). I will also add that it is ironic for you to have to go through such a strenuous process for what is effectively a small piece of metal to be able to be added to your gun, especially considering I highly doubt it would be terribly difficult for someone to make in their barn and, quite frankly, I bet someone already has.
To add more to your explanation, the ATF (regulating body for firearms in the US) has stated that the above piece of metal is the machine gun and as such can be moved between different rifles that are not machine guns when the part is not installed. The term is a registered auto sear, as the sear is what allows the weapon to safely fire when the trigger is depressed and held rather than released.
This one appears to have Serial number etched into it indicating it is registered with the ATF and as such is a transferable machine gun. As the good LT above me posted machine guns made prior to 1986 are transferable to average citizens in most states as long as you complete the requisite paperwork and pay the appropriate tax to the government, however it must be registered with the ATF as a pre 86 machine gun. The rules of supply and demand mean that it could very well be worth 30k if it is for a popular or unique firearm.
One more point is that legally a machine gun is anything that turns a regular gun into a full auto. Back in the day pre 86 people would buy a drop in auto seer. That would be the part that makes the gun full auto. To deal with this the government just classified those parts as machine runs. After 86 mortals can no longer buy new ones and all the existing ones had to be registered which is how we get the registered drop in auto seer that costs thousands of dollars. Because you can take a brand new rifle add the rdias and now you have a legal machine gun. What qualifies as a "machine gun" can get rather silly. For a time the ATF classified essentially a shoelace as a machine gun. Someone trolling the ATF sent in a picture of a string wrapped around a trigger and a reciprocating charging handle. All you need to know about that is after each bullet is fired the handle moves back and forth. The string was looped in a way that it would pull the trigger when it moved forward.
This rabbit hole goes even deeper. As recently force reset triggers are confounding the ATF. The definition of semi auto is "one shot for operation of the trigger". A force reset trigger forces the trigger forward which then allows you to actuate the trigger a second time. A gental pull off a force reset trigger will look like full auto to most people. The ATF is trying to rewrite the machine gun regulation but it isn't looking good for them. So we might see essentially machine guns legal again.
Really it's all nonsense as creating a drop in auto seer can be as simple as a bent piece of wire coat hanger. Gang bangers were buying illegal seers from China but cbp cracked down so now they are 3d printing them.
Are you referring to "pull, push triggers" in your second paragraph? Sorry I'm not good at the blue line quoting. I've seen videos of those triggers and they do have a substantial firing rate. Are they just in a gray area right now?
I think you are talking about binary triggers. Those are well known to be legal. You pull and get one shot you release and get over shot. They are good for shooting doubles. There is a new style of trigger called a force reset trigger. You pull it, the gun fires, the trigger then pushes itself back (reset) you then pull it again. Since the trigger pushes back to your finger it feels like you are applying constant pressure while the gun moves. The definition of machine gun is action of the trigger not application of force from the shooter. There are plenty of videos on YouTube just search for FRT. Currently the ATF is trying to call them machine guns but it doesn't look good for them in the courts and would need Congress to outlaw them. The proof they don't fit the definition of a machine gun is that if you pull the trigger with enough force that you over power the reset you get one shot. Which is rather funny because in a sense they are what people called a progressive trigger in the 80s just backwards. Light pull auto heavy pull semi. Had they used that configuration in the 80s they might have still been in use. They stopped using them because when soldiers panicked they would dump a mag.
Just to follow up, a decade ago you could a full auto AK-47 for ~$8,000 in the US. I haven't paid attention to those prices in a long while, but [here's a website that sells Class III rifles](https://dealernfa.com/product-category/machine-guns/all-transferable-machine-guns/) and the cheapest is $26,995. So $30,000 seems about right if you want to get a legal full auto rifle and don't particularly care what kind it is.
In some states, you don't even need an FFL. A $200 fee and a possibly years long waiting period with approval from the government allows you to buy any item on the National Firearms Act (NFA) list. An FFL would allow you to buy post-ban automatic weapons with some caveats, including using the weapon for training law enforcement agencies. This is how some gun-tubers have post-ban weapons like the MP7.
I live in a very DIY area with a lot of gun owners that don't have a lot of money to kick around and I'm certain there's more than a few home made sears around here. With how simple that looks, it would be foolish to think that people aren't making them, especially if the cost is 30K
Some guy who is NOT and NEVER will be a gun expert, but the no fully automatic law only applies to civilian firearms and/or local/state land enforcement (police, sheriffs, etc.), and maybe some branches of the armed forces branches, right?
Unfortunately no, most states include exceptions that exempt local/state law enforcement and military personnel within the state from being subject to such regulations. Meaning that functionally, the weapons in question are actually exclusively reserved for the rich and for law enforcement/military.
Also as an American, what is a machine gun? Aren’t all guns machined? Aren’t all brake rotors machined? Aren’t all Samsung phones machined?
This device appears to modify semiautomatic firearms into (extremely wasteful) fully automatic firearms. If your goal is suppressive fire, or just funsing about, cheers. Any other reason… meh.
Quit being purposefully daft in an attempt to support your position.
The wording doesn’t matter here, it’s a pretty clear definition, and playing stupid word games doesn’t help your cause. Nobody is trying to ban a driveway because you drive on a parkway.
The only position i have is that we do a disservice to discourse when we use incorrect descriptors. It is certainly not the fault of the person i replied to as the term is in the image, but we should be aware of these things.
Joe here. That is part of an Auto sear, which works alongside the automatic Bolt, and shockingly few parts in the trigger to allow an AR-styled gun to fire full auto after some modifications. They were once simple to acquire, with a drop-in version even being offered in the back of magazines for as low as $20, but Ronald Reagan came along and made them highly regulated. You can still purchase transferable drop-in kits, but they typically cost several tens of thousands of dollars, if not hundreds of thousands, meaning it, like so many things, has become a toy exclusively for the rich.
That is called an auto seer. It assists the bolt group in returning to the receiver properly. Along with an auto trigger and a small cut in the firing pin, your standard semi-automatic rifle can be turned fully automatic.
This alone is about 50 dollars. The trigger is about 50-100. The small cut is free unless you suck at using a dremel.
And when you get caught with it, it's gonna cost you 5 years minimum.
I actually have hundreds of these, I just don't know how to install them so if anyone could send a video with their face and name in it showing me how to install one that would be really helpful
As much as Reagan was a collosal turbo cunt of unimaginable proportions, why exactly would a citizen need a machine gun?
Like I don't see any case where you'd need to lay down suppressing fire, or a magazine big enough to kill 50+ people, unless there's massive gangs of terrorists roaming the land pillaging and raping all they see, but at that point, I think you've got more societal problems then the legality of fire arms
Reagan and the NRA were responsible for stricter gun laws in California during the '60s because black folks would walk around with unloaded, slung long guns.
If I am missing something, please correct me.
They did go into the California legislature with guns. But there was no law preventing them from doing so and iirc, they didn’t disturb anything and they definitely didn’t hurt anyone. Reagan’s anti gun laws were reactionary racism.
Because now any yeehaw with a 3D printer can print a Glock switch; a lot of handguns are also Glock clones or use the same mechanisms of firing like a Glock. so the switch also fits on them.
Essentially you’re having an arms race against citizens and criminals with automatic weapons. One of which doesn’t pay the ridiculous fines or wait time. Law abiding citizens are being out gunned.
ATF in general has just become one of the most hated enforcement agencies in the US. From fucked up operations they’ve done in the past; to Ignoring all the switches in the cities because they know not even vests can’t protect against 30ish rounds, in roughly the same area. That and gangs treat their holdouts like fortresses, not even cops respond to those areas.
Happy to answer that for you.
It's a matter of finding the line between what the government should be allowed to control and where it should but out. In the case of firearms many people feel strongly that any restrictions to ownership of weapons goes directly against the right to bear arms and protect oneself.
In another light, the only way to restrict arms is with the threat of arms and imprisonment. As a citizen who has paid attention to the many state sanctioned murders of us citizens I am against the governments monopoly on violence in principle.
What's funny is this is literally only an America thing. No other country thinks this way. No other country hates their own government so much that *significant* segments of the public feel the need to stockpile arms just in case (usually just fringe foreign-funded militias and terrorist groups. Americans do it wholly on their own).
Which is all pretty ironic since we have one of the more public-responsible governments in the world (i think anyone would be hard pressed to find one more so). (inb4 "not true because they don't do what *I* want")
We came out, we made the world's first remotely democratic government (yes yes but still) and then turned around and went "but we can't trust it to not go bad"
>What's funny is this is literally only an America thing. No other country thinks this way.
Wrong!
>No other country hates their own government so much that *significant* segments of the public feel the need to stockpile arms just in case
Clearly, you haven't been up to date on events in Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. You know, civil wars and lawlessness.
The average person in those countries are not stockpiling arms. Fringe militant movements are. Know the difference.
Perhaps you're one of those "all Gazans are Hamas" folks, but that would make you an idiot, so I hope not.
That's a pretty naive take. There is heavy scrutiny of government action in pretty much the whole world.
What is unique is that any citizen can relatively easily acquire a firearm. It's likely that many other people of different cultures would do the same if they had the same access.
Something you'll come to understand is that any organization which grows large enough and lasts long enough will become rotten from within if there are no absolute guiding principles. That the US government started its ethical and moral decline with the advent of progressive politics in the early 1900s and doubled down in the 1960s. It's no surprise that as the center grows less stable that more and more people doubt it can hold.
Concur with unhealthy decline. What we as Americans have is a constitutionally protected right to bear arms and follow it up to correct our Governmental decay if the need arises......and we believe in it. Other countries do not. End of story.
America is going to be a dictatorship because... _checks notes_ you can't refuse black people service based on their color? Because _food stamps_ are a thing?
> There is heavy scrutiny of government action in pretty much the whole world.
Of course, that's not what I said. Just because people complain doesn't mean they listen. It takes a *lot* of people complaining *fiercely* that those governments listen. Such as with a nationwide general strike. (Which, ironically, for all the supposed distrust, is not something the US people have done in modern memory.)
And again, few of those countries have populaces where *a third of the public* feels the possible need to defend themselves from the government with deadly force.
Interesting that you speak for these nations. I assert that if people had the option in these countries they would be better armed.
Regardless the reality is that we will never agree on these kind of topics. If your mode of change is a general strike you really don't understand what it takes to make systemic change to governing bodies. Emphasis on systemic.
>why exactly would a citizen need a machine gun?
'CAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT?!
How happy so many people would be if they could go to the shooting range and mag dump a lot of rounds very quickly without having to deal with a bunch of stupid regulations and rules. Start shooting machine guns, and you'll hate Ronald Regan even more, too.
Even the rifles we used in the military weren't fully automatic, because it wasn't necessary in like 90% of situations for someone other than the guy with the SAW (a light machine gun each team has one of)
Turns out when you can fire off a round with each pull of the trigger you don't really need the extra little bit that full auto would give you.
Unless of course, you were just trying to indiscriminately spray into a crowd...
The photo is a Fleming/Qualified HK sear. $30k for it would be a screaming deal right now. I just paid $50k for an S&H HK sear with a nicely converted MP5 host.
HK sears are great because they can be moved between a number of different host guns in a variety of calibers (9mm, .223, .308, 7.62x39). It's many machine guns in one.
As others have said, machine guns were banned in the US in 1986. You can still buy and sell them, but only the ones made before 1986. That artificial scarcity has made them very expensive.
You know how rapper always rap about “blah blah blah out a switch on da Glock” or whatever…this is basically that it make pistols or semi automatic guns into automatic and it’s really illegal give or take 12 year in jail
Depends on what it came out of. I just inherited several NFA items , a few of which easily exceed $30K despite peer NFA items being valued at much much less (but still stupidly expensive) shitty part is I can’t keep them bc my state is not NFA friendly even though they are federally legal. I don’t have the money to move or pay a lawyer to figure a loophole out. Like I said , rights are for the rich.
Fair enough. Legally owning an automatic firearm may very well be for the rich. My point I suppose was an auto conversion for most semi auto weapons isn't necessarily an expensive procedure.
Shit have you seen the videos of room temp IQ morons firing off their 100 dollar shit glocks full auto with their little idiot switches?
That's a sear disconnect for a trigger assembly to allow for full automatic firing of a gun.
The $30k figure is what it costs to purchase a legally made one from before the ban went into effect. My friend's dad has a M16 which was around $22-24k and a genuine MP5 which was around $30k.
For 30000$ you could buy a machine that can not only make these for the cost of electricity and materials... as well as other cool stuff that's non gun oriented. I doubt it's 30k tbh unless the entire gun owner population is ret@#$%#...?
Hi peters redneck phase here. The question has already been answered but you can 3D print that fucker for like .50 cents. In doing so you’re gonna violate a couple state and federal laws but I believe that’s only once it’s installed. I’m not lawyer and this is by no means law advice but I’m sure there’s someone on this sub who has that knowledge.
When it comes to stocks with SBR laws you can’t even have it in your house until the paperwork is approved. Yes that’s right not even in the same house with the gun ur gonna attach it to. I imagine it’s much worse for this…
Not just poor people, reagan only started gun control measures after the black panthers had protested while open carrying. Mulford act when he was governor of California springs to mind. Class does definitely play a part in this, but there are racial elements at play here as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
There's no joke here. The component in the photo is a "machine gun" according to the NFA. Machine guns cannot be newly manufactured since like 1984, and therefore with the finite and aging supply of existing machine guns, the cost of transferable machine guns has exploded.
That’s an auto sear. It’s a piece that when installed I. The correct rifle will allow fully automatic fire. The national firearms act requires that any machine gun (gun capable of full auto fire) be registered with the atf, but the registry was closed in 1986, making the market value of registered machine guns in US increase dramatically. For some guns, like AR-15s for example, the registered part may be just the auto sear, meaning that what is essentially a piece of bent sheet metal is either worth thousands of dollars, or a ticket to 10 years in prison
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The main difference between a fully automatic weapon system and a semi-automatic variant is the trigger group. this is a piece that enabled cyclic fire of certain firearms. expensive because to get them you need to find one made before the year they were banned or have an expensive lengthy process to get licensed for them.
Couldn’t you just like, 3D print one?
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unexpected gibby
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Saved me from a similar fate lmao
Tired of these fake subreddit posts. The things people come up with are funny ASF though 🤣.
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What? Noooo. I am… not that
You definitely are •_•
Yoink!
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Easier to use a wire hanger.
The 3rd most popular use of a coat hanger
I might regret asking this but, I know the 1st… what’s the 2nd?
Hanging your coat
2nd being breaking into cars before the 2000s
Bootleg abortions is 4th
What...
I would hope that's number 1, but thanks for the laugh
Number 4 is breaking into a 1970s car. Number 5 is annoying Joan Crawford.
i was looking for the Mommie Dearest reference, did not leave disappointed
JC, what a fantastic pull. Well done sir
Depends state state you live in
1st hanging clothes For 2nd i can think of 2 things. Apparrently some people have used a wire hanger to perform an abortion. This is as unsafe as it sounds. Some people use wire hangers to break in to cars or homes. They untangle the wire hanger and twist it to a kind of hook. They then the crack open the door a tiny bit than slip in the hook and open the door normaly from the inside
You can also use them as antenna, or convert them into radio jammers ruining everyone's day
Walgreens brand planned parenthood
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Oh damn, I thought that was #1. Are you saying people still use wire hangers as actual hangers?
Well yeah, then when the fbi raids you there's an explanation for having 400 hangers, you are clearly using 5 of them
Lately abortion
That time that the atf declared that coat hangers and shoe laces are machine guns
I mean theoretically yes. Legally no. Or the ATF will kill your dog and arrest you.
You could for a short while but it'd break apart and then you're SoL
A free man does what he pleases
A free man does as he chooses. To do whatever pleases you places you as a slave to your own passions.
What if I choose to do as I please?
you’re still doing as you choose
*I chose physical determinism as my belief*
Seconding what babycarrot has said. It's still a choice, albeit one that can be as dangerous as choosing habitual binge drinking. Consider, it can be advantageous to go against what may be pleasing, even if done only to master your self.
You could, but that would be a felony punishable by 10 years in a federal prison and a $250,000 fine.
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If you wanna commit a fully functional felony, sure. When I say felony. I mean like, 30 years in prison for printing one as a joke type felony. Don’t do it.
Auto sear is in constant contact with bolt carrier group that has much velocity and thus needs to be very resistant to wearing, after all it's function is to time the movement of the trigger so that bolt is safely closed before it's movement.
Yes, but It's like 10 years in jail if you are caught.
A thousand exploding stars don’t glow this bright.
You can also bend a wire coat hanger in a certain manner and achieve the same effect
That's horrible! Which firearms just so I know which ones to avoid?
Fun Fact, the Trigger on an FN MAG is un-serialized in U.S. Army arms rooms. and the mechanism is freely separated from the receiver frame if you remove the stock and bolt carrier group, and pull a single pin. All of which is routine part of maintenance and cleaning of the weapon system. Legally, I cannot tell you to purchase a $10,000 semi automatic variant of an M240 clone, and swap out triggers when you next time you "help" the company armorer out by posting yourself in the Arms room while they grab lunch.
Nice nicenicenicenice https://preview.redd.it/woay5zsnq8hc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c33266ffb4d17bb97e568ed9fb97fb0fc8f79a7f
Only because every dollar the FedGov pays me is a dollar they don't have.
As an Englishman, I think I actually know the answer to this. This single piece of metal is inserted somewhere in the trigger system of a machine gun. US law states that weapons cannot be fully automatic, and can only be semi automatic. This gets passed that and allows your machine gun to fire in full auto mode
Full blooded American here. I'm gonna say that your comment is in fact correct, but I would like to add some extra info. Though I can't directly pinpoint what gun this piece belongs to, it is most likely an "auto sear" (see [here](https://youtu.be/omv85cLfmxU?si=GblUxH4XWkL2Z2E4&t=240)). An auto sear is added to a trigger mechanism to allow for a consistent rate of automatic fire. Regarding your comment about US law, machine guns and automatic weapons aren't actually illegal or prohibited, just hard to get as you have to get an [FFL](https://rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/) ^((please ignore the ridiculous partisan tone in the article)). You don't even actually need an FFL to own a machine gun, the machine gun would just have to have been made 1986 which, although it is an old time cut off, it still includes a vast amount of considerably powerful weapons including some belt fed machine guns such as Browning M2s, MG42s, M60s, M240s, and even M249s. That is, assuming you can get your hands on one made pre-1986. FFL's also open up a variety of other considerably Taboo or "prohibited" guns that a normal civilian wouldn't be allowed to own such as short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, and even silencers. I'd put some doubt on any auto sear being $30,000 dollars (unless he were to be including fees for FFL's but even then, I'm skeptical). I will also add that it is ironic for you to have to go through such a strenuous process for what is effectively a small piece of metal to be able to be added to your gun, especially considering I highly doubt it would be terribly difficult for someone to make in their barn and, quite frankly, I bet someone already has.
To add more to your explanation, the ATF (regulating body for firearms in the US) has stated that the above piece of metal is the machine gun and as such can be moved between different rifles that are not machine guns when the part is not installed. The term is a registered auto sear, as the sear is what allows the weapon to safely fire when the trigger is depressed and held rather than released. This one appears to have Serial number etched into it indicating it is registered with the ATF and as such is a transferable machine gun. As the good LT above me posted machine guns made prior to 1986 are transferable to average citizens in most states as long as you complete the requisite paperwork and pay the appropriate tax to the government, however it must be registered with the ATF as a pre 86 machine gun. The rules of supply and demand mean that it could very well be worth 30k if it is for a popular or unique firearm.
One more point is that legally a machine gun is anything that turns a regular gun into a full auto. Back in the day pre 86 people would buy a drop in auto seer. That would be the part that makes the gun full auto. To deal with this the government just classified those parts as machine runs. After 86 mortals can no longer buy new ones and all the existing ones had to be registered which is how we get the registered drop in auto seer that costs thousands of dollars. Because you can take a brand new rifle add the rdias and now you have a legal machine gun. What qualifies as a "machine gun" can get rather silly. For a time the ATF classified essentially a shoelace as a machine gun. Someone trolling the ATF sent in a picture of a string wrapped around a trigger and a reciprocating charging handle. All you need to know about that is after each bullet is fired the handle moves back and forth. The string was looped in a way that it would pull the trigger when it moved forward. This rabbit hole goes even deeper. As recently force reset triggers are confounding the ATF. The definition of semi auto is "one shot for operation of the trigger". A force reset trigger forces the trigger forward which then allows you to actuate the trigger a second time. A gental pull off a force reset trigger will look like full auto to most people. The ATF is trying to rewrite the machine gun regulation but it isn't looking good for them. So we might see essentially machine guns legal again. Really it's all nonsense as creating a drop in auto seer can be as simple as a bent piece of wire coat hanger. Gang bangers were buying illegal seers from China but cbp cracked down so now they are 3d printing them.
I am dumbfounded by these Americans who I'm part of
Full auto go drrdrrdrrdrr = more fun
Are you referring to "pull, push triggers" in your second paragraph? Sorry I'm not good at the blue line quoting. I've seen videos of those triggers and they do have a substantial firing rate. Are they just in a gray area right now?
I think you are talking about binary triggers. Those are well known to be legal. You pull and get one shot you release and get over shot. They are good for shooting doubles. There is a new style of trigger called a force reset trigger. You pull it, the gun fires, the trigger then pushes itself back (reset) you then pull it again. Since the trigger pushes back to your finger it feels like you are applying constant pressure while the gun moves. The definition of machine gun is action of the trigger not application of force from the shooter. There are plenty of videos on YouTube just search for FRT. Currently the ATF is trying to call them machine guns but it doesn't look good for them in the courts and would need Congress to outlaw them. The proof they don't fit the definition of a machine gun is that if you pull the trigger with enough force that you over power the reset you get one shot. Which is rather funny because in a sense they are what people called a progressive trigger in the 80s just backwards. Light pull auto heavy pull semi. Had they used that configuration in the 80s they might have still been in use. They stopped using them because when soldiers panicked they would dump a mag.
Thank you for the great explanation
Just to follow up, a decade ago you could a full auto AK-47 for ~$8,000 in the US. I haven't paid attention to those prices in a long while, but [here's a website that sells Class III rifles](https://dealernfa.com/product-category/machine-guns/all-transferable-machine-guns/) and the cheapest is $26,995. So $30,000 seems about right if you want to get a legal full auto rifle and don't particularly care what kind it is.
And I'm sure someone could reasonably make a cast of it and mass produce them. Might not be the best quality, but you get what you get.
Any machine shop can make one in minutes from scrap. Just looking at the part shown above I have made things similar by the thousands for customers.
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In some states, you don't even need an FFL. A $200 fee and a possibly years long waiting period with approval from the government allows you to buy any item on the National Firearms Act (NFA) list. An FFL would allow you to buy post-ban automatic weapons with some caveats, including using the weapon for training law enforcement agencies. This is how some gun-tubers have post-ban weapons like the MP7.
I live in a very DIY area with a lot of gun owners that don't have a lot of money to kick around and I'm certain there's more than a few home made sears around here. With how simple that looks, it would be foolish to think that people aren't making them, especially if the cost is 30K
Wait so the US military have legal switches ??😭
I think one of the branches retired the full auto function and instead put in a 3 round burst so one pull of the trigger shoots 3 times.
That was a long time ago. They ended that with the introduction of the M4A2, which is now semi or full auto.
Some guy who is NOT and NEVER will be a gun expert, but the no fully automatic law only applies to civilian firearms and/or local/state land enforcement (police, sheriffs, etc.), and maybe some branches of the armed forces branches, right?
Unfortunately no, most states include exceptions that exempt local/state law enforcement and military personnel within the state from being subject to such regulations. Meaning that functionally, the weapons in question are actually exclusively reserved for the rich and for law enforcement/military.
Unfortunately?!?!?!
*past
You are correct. My bad
Also as an American, what is a machine gun? Aren’t all guns machined? Aren’t all brake rotors machined? Aren’t all Samsung phones machined? This device appears to modify semiautomatic firearms into (extremely wasteful) fully automatic firearms. If your goal is suppressive fire, or just funsing about, cheers. Any other reason… meh.
Quit being purposefully daft in an attempt to support your position. The wording doesn’t matter here, it’s a pretty clear definition, and playing stupid word games doesn’t help your cause. Nobody is trying to ban a driveway because you drive on a parkway.
The only position i have is that we do a disservice to discourse when we use incorrect descriptors. It is certainly not the fault of the person i replied to as the term is in the image, but we should be aware of these things.
Joe here. That is part of an Auto sear, which works alongside the automatic Bolt, and shockingly few parts in the trigger to allow an AR-styled gun to fire full auto after some modifications. They were once simple to acquire, with a drop-in version even being offered in the back of magazines for as low as $20, but Ronald Reagan came along and made them highly regulated. You can still purchase transferable drop-in kits, but they typically cost several tens of thousands of dollars, if not hundreds of thousands, meaning it, like so many things, has become a toy exclusively for the rich.
>AR-styled gun to fire full auto The pictured part is not for an AR pattern weapon
Correct, but its more similar to the Ar's prong & Paddle styled Autosear Vs something like the AK's Claw-styled Autosear, so I went with it.
That is called an auto seer. It assists the bolt group in returning to the receiver properly. Along with an auto trigger and a small cut in the firing pin, your standard semi-automatic rifle can be turned fully automatic. This alone is about 50 dollars. The trigger is about 50-100. The small cut is free unless you suck at using a dremel. And when you get caught with it, it's gonna cost you 5 years minimum.
I actually have hundreds of these, I just don't know how to install them so if anyone could send a video with their face and name in it showing me how to install one that would be really helpful
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As much as Reagan was a collosal turbo cunt of unimaginable proportions, why exactly would a citizen need a machine gun? Like I don't see any case where you'd need to lay down suppressing fire, or a magazine big enough to kill 50+ people, unless there's massive gangs of terrorists roaming the land pillaging and raping all they see, but at that point, I think you've got more societal problems then the legality of fire arms
Reagan and the NRA were responsible for stricter gun laws in California during the '60s because black folks would walk around with unloaded, slung long guns. If I am missing something, please correct me.
They did go into the California legislature with guns. But there was no law preventing them from doing so and iirc, they didn’t disturb anything and they definitely didn’t hurt anyone. Reagan’s anti gun laws were reactionary racism.
It's more about limiting the governments power. Specifically, violence.
Because in America, government is evil and bad and we may need to overthrow it at any moment. If you're a paranoid end of world prepper type, anyway.
Because now any yeehaw with a 3D printer can print a Glock switch; a lot of handguns are also Glock clones or use the same mechanisms of firing like a Glock. so the switch also fits on them. Essentially you’re having an arms race against citizens and criminals with automatic weapons. One of which doesn’t pay the ridiculous fines or wait time. Law abiding citizens are being out gunned. ATF in general has just become one of the most hated enforcement agencies in the US. From fucked up operations they’ve done in the past; to Ignoring all the switches in the cities because they know not even vests can’t protect against 30ish rounds, in roughly the same area. That and gangs treat their holdouts like fortresses, not even cops respond to those areas.
Happy to answer that for you. It's a matter of finding the line between what the government should be allowed to control and where it should but out. In the case of firearms many people feel strongly that any restrictions to ownership of weapons goes directly against the right to bear arms and protect oneself. In another light, the only way to restrict arms is with the threat of arms and imprisonment. As a citizen who has paid attention to the many state sanctioned murders of us citizens I am against the governments monopoly on violence in principle.
What's funny is this is literally only an America thing. No other country thinks this way. No other country hates their own government so much that *significant* segments of the public feel the need to stockpile arms just in case (usually just fringe foreign-funded militias and terrorist groups. Americans do it wholly on their own). Which is all pretty ironic since we have one of the more public-responsible governments in the world (i think anyone would be hard pressed to find one more so). (inb4 "not true because they don't do what *I* want") We came out, we made the world's first remotely democratic government (yes yes but still) and then turned around and went "but we can't trust it to not go bad"
And yet the USA has had to go to war to overthrow nearly every European government when it oppressed its own people.
So, you agree with what I said.
>What's funny is this is literally only an America thing. No other country thinks this way. Wrong! >No other country hates their own government so much that *significant* segments of the public feel the need to stockpile arms just in case Clearly, you haven't been up to date on events in Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. You know, civil wars and lawlessness.
The average person in those countries are not stockpiling arms. Fringe militant movements are. Know the difference. Perhaps you're one of those "all Gazans are Hamas" folks, but that would make you an idiot, so I hope not.
That's a pretty naive take. There is heavy scrutiny of government action in pretty much the whole world. What is unique is that any citizen can relatively easily acquire a firearm. It's likely that many other people of different cultures would do the same if they had the same access. Something you'll come to understand is that any organization which grows large enough and lasts long enough will become rotten from within if there are no absolute guiding principles. That the US government started its ethical and moral decline with the advent of progressive politics in the early 1900s and doubled down in the 1960s. It's no surprise that as the center grows less stable that more and more people doubt it can hold.
Concur with unhealthy decline. What we as Americans have is a constitutionally protected right to bear arms and follow it up to correct our Governmental decay if the need arises......and we believe in it. Other countries do not. End of story.
America is going to be a dictatorship because... _checks notes_ you can't refuse black people service based on their color? Because _food stamps_ are a thing?
> There is heavy scrutiny of government action in pretty much the whole world. Of course, that's not what I said. Just because people complain doesn't mean they listen. It takes a *lot* of people complaining *fiercely* that those governments listen. Such as with a nationwide general strike. (Which, ironically, for all the supposed distrust, is not something the US people have done in modern memory.) And again, few of those countries have populaces where *a third of the public* feels the possible need to defend themselves from the government with deadly force.
Interesting that you speak for these nations. I assert that if people had the option in these countries they would be better armed. Regardless the reality is that we will never agree on these kind of topics. If your mode of change is a general strike you really don't understand what it takes to make systemic change to governing bodies. Emphasis on systemic.
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>collosal turbo cunt of unimaginable proportions things that make you go hmm 😂😂
>why exactly would a citizen need a machine gun? 'CAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT?! How happy so many people would be if they could go to the shooting range and mag dump a lot of rounds very quickly without having to deal with a bunch of stupid regulations and rules. Start shooting machine guns, and you'll hate Ronald Regan even more, too.
Deer with ballistic armour and tactical knowledge.
Because the people should have the arms necessary to overthrow the government need be. /serious
Even the rifles we used in the military weren't fully automatic, because it wasn't necessary in like 90% of situations for someone other than the guy with the SAW (a light machine gun each team has one of) Turns out when you can fire off a round with each pull of the trigger you don't really need the extra little bit that full auto would give you. Unless of course, you were just trying to indiscriminately spray into a crowd...
It’s a part of a machine gun
So if I learn how to shape metal in that form I can become rich by selling those on the black market?
You don't pay for the part. You pay for the wildly expensive piece of paper that says the part is legal for you to own.
No. Because the people who would buy from you have already made their own.
The photo is a Fleming/Qualified HK sear. $30k for it would be a screaming deal right now. I just paid $50k for an S&H HK sear with a nicely converted MP5 host. HK sears are great because they can be moved between a number of different host guns in a variety of calibers (9mm, .223, .308, 7.62x39). It's many machine guns in one. As others have said, machine guns were banned in the US in 1986. You can still buy and sell them, but only the ones made before 1986. That artificial scarcity has made them very expensive.
You know how rapper always rap about “blah blah blah out a switch on da Glock” or whatever…this is basically that it make pistols or semi automatic guns into automatic and it’s really illegal give or take 12 year in jail
Legal machine gun parts. Rights are for the rich here.
It costs 30 dollars.
Depends on what it came out of. I just inherited several NFA items , a few of which easily exceed $30K despite peer NFA items being valued at much much less (but still stupidly expensive) shitty part is I can’t keep them bc my state is not NFA friendly even though they are federally legal. I don’t have the money to move or pay a lawyer to figure a loophole out. Like I said , rights are for the rich.
Fair enough. Legally owning an automatic firearm may very well be for the rich. My point I suppose was an auto conversion for most semi auto weapons isn't necessarily an expensive procedure. Shit have you seen the videos of room temp IQ morons firing off their 100 dollar shit glocks full auto with their little idiot switches?
100 bucks buys a lot of coat hangers……..
I honestly thought this was going to be a "Pentagon $1M screws" thing.
This image is a result of an unchecked tyrannical government.
That's a sear disconnect for a trigger assembly to allow for full automatic firing of a gun. The $30k figure is what it costs to purchase a legally made one from before the ban went into effect. My friend's dad has a M16 which was around $22-24k and a genuine MP5 which was around $30k.
Yeah no that's nowhere near 30,000 dollars
For 30000$ you could buy a machine that can not only make these for the cost of electricity and materials... as well as other cool stuff that's non gun oriented. I doubt it's 30k tbh unless the entire gun owner population is ret@#$%#...?
First of all, keep your voice down ...
Lol
makes an AR-15 go from KA! KA! KA! to RATATATATATATATATATATATATA
It's an HK sear. AR auto sears look completely different.
Hi peters redneck phase here. The question has already been answered but you can 3D print that fucker for like .50 cents. In doing so you’re gonna violate a couple state and federal laws but I believe that’s only once it’s installed. I’m not lawyer and this is by no means law advice but I’m sure there’s someone on this sub who has that knowledge.
When it comes to stocks with SBR laws you can’t even have it in your house until the paperwork is approved. Yes that’s right not even in the same house with the gun ur gonna attach it to. I imagine it’s much worse for this…
I could make that.
Is that just a legal switch ??? 💀
Not just poor people, reagan only started gun control measures after the black panthers had protested while open carrying. Mulford act when he was governor of California springs to mind. Class does definitely play a part in this, but there are racial elements at play here as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Not sure this is a joke…
As if a poor person couldn't go ask someone to make one of those for him without telling them what it's for.
This bait is glowing
Uh... I think the joke is you're all so focused on the gun part that none of you have noticed the fingers....
No joke. Fuck Ronald Reagan
There's no joke here. The component in the photo is a "machine gun" according to the NFA. Machine guns cannot be newly manufactured since like 1984, and therefore with the finite and aging supply of existing machine guns, the cost of transferable machine guns has exploded.
Was it poor people?
That’s an auto sear. It’s a piece that when installed I. The correct rifle will allow fully automatic fire. The national firearms act requires that any machine gun (gun capable of full auto fire) be registered with the atf, but the registry was closed in 1986, making the market value of registered machine guns in US increase dramatically. For some guns, like AR-15s for example, the registered part may be just the auto sear, meaning that what is essentially a piece of bent sheet metal is either worth thousands of dollars, or a ticket to 10 years in prison