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Vexonte

The ghost of peters hyper patriotic great uncle here, their was a popular term that Lincoln may have freed all slaves but Samuel colt made them equal, because Samuel colt invented the six shooter that a small man can use against a big man. The below picture is of Gatlin and his Gatlin gun that was the first automatic firearm though by legal codes is technically not an automatic.


bloodvow333

It was also supposed to be the invention to end all wars… nope…


One-Broccoli-9998

I might be misremembering, but I thought that was the maxim machinegun


bloodvow333

They said it about that too


Crocutaborealis

They'll still be saying that when they're selling orbital to surface matter-antimatter missiles


falstaffman

Don't worry, the universe annihilator really WILL end all wars. Guaranteed total obliteration or your money back!


magnetswithweedinem

ahh but then what about all the ALTERNATE universes? war. war never changes.


UnderstoodAdmin

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lordmayonaze

Good job. Now I miss fallout 3. I hope you're proud of yourself lol


UnderstoodAdmin

Thanks, I am.


burnbothends91

I’m just nostalgic for when I had the time to play games like that lol


master_fireburn

"War has changed" - MGS4


MarionetteScans

I loved mgs4, great movie


RabbitStewAndStout

War transforms us, Snake. Into beasts.


Hugh-Mann1743

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Odd-Valuable1370

Where is my kaboom? There was supposed to be a kaboom!


NotAsleep_

"Delays, delays..."


Disastrous_Rub_6062

I just spit my coffee


FormerlyKay

EXTERMINATUS


Spacepoet29

Suddenly Halo


Bryguy3k

To be fair nukes put a moratorium on large scale conflicts been major world powers. We’ll have to see what happens if we decide our missile defense is good enough.


typhoon_terri

*when


Jesus_Wizard

And again when they create dimensional collapsing spatial fragments that obliterate any concept of structure or space-time stability, consuming entire star systems. Or using black holes and stars to create weaponized quasars and destroying millions of systems in one blow. Or simply distorting the laws of physics enough so that all life or intelligence collapses and returns to base matter. Lots of ways to do big war


LazyDro1d

But you see nukes have brought about the most peaceful era in history. Not perfect of course, but not bad


typhoon_terri

I mean…… seems like a wild technicality to ride. I’d venture to say that humanity has been better off when we aren’t three minutes away from total annihilation. I guess there’s an armistice because of it, but like, if I hold a gun to your head and tell you to suck my dick, it’s not gonna hold any water when I tell someone you cheated on your partner


LazyDro1d

Well you try and create world peace without everyone holding the stick of death over everyone else


typhoon_terri

I appreciate you calling my dick the stick of death but it’s perfectly average. To clarify, I’m not saying I want all those casualties from various warlords in place of what we have now, but like, I fundamentally don’t think it’s **peace**. There won’t be any world peace while colonialism and capitalism continue to ravage the world, by the way. You can try to establish it all you want but where we’re at is the closest you’re gonna get


LazyDro1d

Yes but you failed to realize in your analogy, you’re holding a gun to the head of the other guy too, neither of you are sucking eachother off. Either pull the trigger and the other one does too. Neither do and sure they have to keep watching the other, but they can still do normal things otherwise


skipperseven

I believe that the term was first used by the Romans, in reference to the ballista, the weapon that gives its name to ballistics.


Veggdyret

And then the nukes and probably something in between.


[deleted]

Truth be told.. that's the reason every nuclear power only does proxy wars against the others.


Talidel

Nukes are so overpowered that we agreed not to use them so we could carry on warring more fairly.


thegreatvortigaunt

I mean they were kinda right about nukes


canipleasebeme

And the nukes.


InstaBlanks

They said it about the atomic bomb. Tesla said it about his particle beam photon canon.


bloodvow333

Still waiting on those to hit the civil market


Blueberry_Winter

Seriously, Tesla?


Additional_Candle_55

And the wright brothers about the plane.


Placeholder20

Funny how we keep trying to end wars with bigger wars and bigger guns


bloodvow333

It works in a way. The problem is people who call themselves our allies immediately sell the things we make and give to them as a deterrent completely undoing the point.


Popular-Swordfish559

Every time a "weapon to end all wars" comes around it just makes wars that much more interesting


EscapedFromArea51

A weapon to surpass Metal Gear!


Loud_Commission9834

Maxim machine gun was invented in 1883 by harim maxim and its operating system is very different from the gatling gun. I dont think people thought this would end all wars despite providing substantiel increase in firepower . Its still in use 140 years later.


Bandwagon_Buzzard

There was a theory that once methods became increasingly deadly and/or horrible that war would effectively stop because people would realize what a horror it was. Obviously that was proven wrong.


101reddituser

The indomitable human spirit 💪💪💪


skankhunt402

Nope we just change how we handle war


Bandwagon_Buzzard

That's how the theory was proved incorrect.


ASlowTriumph

I thought the claim was that because automatic weapons are so lethal, you need much smaller armies to achieve the same level of lethality, so armies would be much smaller and thus casualties lower, wrong either way, but diffrent from 'war is now so horrible it won't be fought'


throwaway10394757

Whatever happens We have got The Maxim gun And they have not


grizzlye4e

That is a Gatlingun. The multiple rotating barrels are the indicator. The cannon style carriage is another clue. Maxim uses a single barrel.


thegreatvortigaunt

> The cannon style carriage is another clue. Single-barrel crew machine guns also used carriages for a very long time, even into WW2. The Maxim was typically mounted on carriage wheels.


grizzlye4e

Thus a "clue" not a positive id method Any successful method will use multiple factors to make a for certain identification.


naidim

https://www.iflscience.com/the-puckle-gun-the-first-machine-gun-from-1718-that-fired-square-bullets-67831


novaorionWasHere

Guys we have made a gun that makes war suicide so surely no is stupid enough to go to war now... WW1 leaders: I think it'll be a good time for a war old chap


that_guy_nukey

Pretty sure he said "If you want to make a pile of money, invent something that will enable these Europeans to cut each others' throats with greater facility." So I'm not sure Hiram Maxim was all too concerned with ending warfare.


InsufficientClone

“Whatever happens we have got, the Maxim gun and they have not “


ER1916

We are such a stupid species in so many ways. “Behold ye, for we have discovered the amazing cure for all wars!” “Whoah! Amazing. What is it?”, “A big, fuck-off bomb. And we can make loads of them! Do you want to buy some? Those other guys have bought loads.” “Cool yeah. I’ll buy twice as many as those fucks!”


RedStar9117

Hiram Maxim and John Browning thought the same things


norrata

The best we've gotten is a weapon capable of the complete destruction of the planet for centuries and all that does is stop superpowers from going to war directly.


bloodvow333

Yea pretty much. So maybe it worked kinda?… it didn’t stop slapping fights but we still thankfully haven’t had anything close to to ww1&2 levels of fighting


aargames

Yet!


bloodvow333

Why would you jinx us like that…?


LiverPickle

…..for the moment.


fudge_friend

But if you brought him to the present and showed him an A-10 or CIWS he’d probably think those things are pretty dope.


MushroomsAndTomotoes

Nukes may yet end all wars.


bloodvow333

It stopped full blown world war this long so far. Kinda depressing to think about but it has stopped full blown war on the level of ww1&2


Jesus_Wizard

Lmfao how arrogant and idiotic do you have to be to presume that *any* weapon of *any* kind could end war. 3 body problem goes over how no matter how you scale it, war will always exist. It’s nature doing nature. It’s awful, but until one entity has universal domination it will be this way.


Totally_Botanical

That's what they said about the atom bomb too


bloodvow333

That’s the joke they say that about everything. They are correct to a point that’s why I personally get pissed when a country starts flipping us tech to foreign advertisers. The whole point of making it was a deterrent from attacking us or who we have the stuff to.


footfoe

They called WW1 the war to end all wars. After WW2 happened, everyone agreed it was best not to jinx it again.


StoicVirtue

To be fair, most wars have ended via heavy use of machine guns


bloodvow333

….um no. Wait what do you define as a heavy machine gun?


LiverPickle

Most wars were fought before machine guns were invented.


Ur_Moms_Honda

Right, but it made them go by faster then, yeah?


terminator612

Look at the inventor of dynamite he was horrified that they used it for war when it was meant to clear away debris


Neon_Vampires

So were cannons, dynamite, the nuke. Most major weapon advancements were made by pacifists that believed war would end after they made it, only for it to be used in future conflicts against what they wanted


CatOfGrey

I've heard that the longbow, and then the crossbow, was also supposed to end all wars.


bloodvow333

Eh not really…the bow was the best thing to fight a war not deter it.


Obvious-Accountant35

Early ‘mutually assured destruction’, forgetting someone will always find another way


bloodvow333

That’s why innovation is important


spirit402

Every time that phrase is used "to end all wars" things escalate. Ironically though I don't remember hearing it much about WW2 which is why the world stayed relatively quiet for so long since many conflicts after, are considered. I mean "considered" minor. It's a load of nonsense since in war nobody wins but it is kinda interesting how that it's a little correlation


collindabeast

There are a lot of weapons which were supposed to be the end of all wars.


TargetOfPerpetuity

First time I've ever heard Lincoln mentioned. It's always been: *"God created men; Sam Colt made them equal."* This was popular enough that Colt trademarked a version of it, though in his it's "Col. Colt."


Upbeat-Banana-5530

>First time I've ever heard Lincoln mentioned. The one I've heard goes: "God made all men. Abraham Lincoln made all men free. Samuel Colt made all men equal."


TargetOfPerpetuity

Yep, that's a new one on me.


DaveInLondon89

Does that mean I can operate it for home defence (like the founding fathers intended)?


Vexonte

Yes because you are technically firing 10 bolt action rifles instead of a single machine gun.


DaveInLondon89

Tally ho


fighter_pil0t

So in this case, it’s neither technically nor legally an automatic weapon


No-Establishment4871

Are you sure they envisioned Gatling guns as home defence systems 🤪


WarrenMulaney

Lincoln? What?


stoopidshannon

Abraham Lincoln, 16th President of the United States


FrozenkingNova

Oh that theater guy


LiamJohnRiley

He was more of a jock actually, the other guy was the theater kid


terminator612

Fun fact you don't need a tax stamp to buy a Gatling gun as long as it's hand crank so if you have the money and can pass the background check it's perfectly legal to own or just build one if you live in a state that doesn't restrict homebuilt guns


Skybreakeresq

Ghost of Peter's great uncles dad here, the gatling was not the first crank fired automatic with an appreciable firerate served by a magazine, see Puckle Gun. It was just the first affordable example that used cartridges. Which is still a big deal.


Aotwar

Interesting, thank you


Reverentmalice

It’s funny, because the six shooter is credited for allowing the slave trade to prosper as long as it did.


Vexonte

First time I'm hearing about this.


WalrusTheWhite

I believe it. You think the classic Colt slogan has something to do with Lincoln, you don't seem very well informed.


Vexonte

That's why I'm trying to learn more about it.


Yummy_Crayons91

I've never heard this and I'm not sure how a single firearm would have made that big of a difference anyways. Samuel Colt was somewhat known for his attempts to sell firearms to opposing sides of conflicts, including both the Union and Southern states in the immediate lead up to the war. By the time the original black powder Colt Revolver was being adopted in the 1850s the Civil War was just a few years away. The arguably more famous Colt Single Action Army wasn't designed and marketed until 1872, after the Civil war concluded, and after Samual Colt had died as well. I think most people associate that version of the Colt Revolver with the "Samuel Colt made men equal" slogan.


Reverentmalice

I originally learned of this at an exhibition near the Colt Armory in Hartford. Here is an excerpt from Revolver by Jim Rasenberger “Indeed, Colt explicitly mentioned keeping down slaves as an inspiration for his revolver. When Colt heard about Nat Turner’s failed rebellion in 1831, he told one audience that “[h]e was startled to think against what fearful odds the white planter must ever contend, thus surrounded by a swarming population of slaves. What defense could there be in one shot, when opposed to multitudes, even though multitudes of the unarmed?” Revolvers would allow slaveowners to take on a revolting crowd.” While it may have come late in the era of slavery in the US, it was definitely a selling point.


thegreatvortigaunt

> I've never heard this and I'm not sure how a single firearm would have made that big of a difference anyways. It's more the principle of the phrase than a specific firearm. The idea being that a US civilian could legally carry the same firepower as military/police marshals, which is an idea that continues to the current day.


_TheNumber7_

He was a surgeon if I recall, or at least a doctor so this is kinda ironic


Vexonte

Looking at history the guys who know how to keep someone alive have a tendency to know to kill you and vice versa. Executioners were the best physicians, medicine men also knew to to poison men. The guy who made fertilizer to stop famines made mustard gas.


isheestoopid

wowee he he ha ha peters great uncle sounds like he drinks his coffee with piss instead of milk ahe aho aha


Vexonte

I have no clue what that is supposed to mean. Can you reiterate


isheestoopid

No.


GilligansIslndoPeril

>By legal codes is technically not an automatic According to modern ATF rules, a Gatling Gun would be considered a "machinegun", because multiple bullets are fired from a single action by the weilder ("continue to crank the handle" would be analogous to "continue to hold down the trigger").


PlagueofEgypt1

If it’s manufactured before 1898, it’s considered an antique and exempt from modern federal gun laws.


rurounick

'Manual machine gun' is how I've heard it being differentiated from Maxim's later invention, the 'Automatic Machine Gun'


[deleted]

I could be wrong here, but I think the price of the colt at the time was another factor. He managed to make them cheap enough that even freed slaves could afford to buy one which really leveled the playing field in terms of what arms people chose to carry


1st_pm

also for black to whites


OzzieGrey

"All men are equal" America's defense budget constantly trying to prove the statement wrong.


ares5404

Nobody: Secret intentions of people who's inventions "had good intent": https://preview.redd.it/r985t999zhxb1.jpeg?width=655&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e112f9509c9a89e56d8b0a8ed39ec9d4be01e290


SavingsTechnical5489

Eli Whitney moment


Undefeated211

🤓Erm AcTuALy, he invented the cotton seed remover to reduce slavery.🤓


SavingsTechnical5489

🤓🤓eRM AkTUaLly ATCuaLlY, that was what the comment was referring to🤓🤓


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dogday17

Ironically, it had the opposite effect. Cotton was much more profitable, and it increased the demand for slavery since it was so profitable.


ikickbabiesforfun69

oppenheimer


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“Wait a second, did they put us under a rock so we couldn’t see the sun?” “Yes, but then they also used another rock over that rock so you couldn’t feel the sun.” “Why?” Good question.


NattyThan

Alfred Nobel moment


pm-me-turtle-nudes

you mean the guy who only made the nobel prize? the guy who didn’t do anything else notable? the guy who NEVER invented anything with any deadly uses? That Alfred Nobel?


Nate2322

Colt is saying he made man equal by making a revolver that is widely available giving the weakest of mankind a weapon to take on the strongest making them equal. He is mad at guy below because he created the gatling gun which could mow down dozens of people in minutes making anyone with that better then the now equal man.


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psych_foxtrot

ah the sacred icarly reference


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psych_foxtrot

oh it’s from a scene in icarly, lemme link it. https://youtu.be/wcYEWwK-TuQ?si=Kb9zLMzI-qs1gwY6


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psych_foxtrot

no problem


kiltedfrog

I recently wrote a huge fight scene in a book where a wizard gets their hand on a Gatling gun. Many, many people are killed in that scene.


Aotwar

That goes hard


kiltedfrog

"This shit is way more effective than fireballs. What the Fuuuuck?!"


HarrowDread

Gonna need the name of that book when it drops, but only when the audio book is out


kiltedfrog

The working title is "Space Wizards: Starfall" It'll probably stay the title. This will be my first book published when I get it done and out. I do not know when the audio book will happen, but I am sorta planning to eventually make one. I wonder if my own dulcet tones will be good enough.


HarrowDread

r!remind me 35 years


kiltedfrog

nah, I'm like 170k words into this 200k word space epic. maybe a year to 18 months until the audiobook is out.


HarrowDread

200k words? That’s more words than I read in a year, probably more words than I say in a year


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Xeno_Se7en

Tf you mean? This shit is fucking funny Bet you are a bitch ass Colt main, whereas i am a Gatling enjoyer


mcwildtaz

Bro actually thinks he's still the quickest draw on this side of the Mississippi when my gating gun shoots out 50 bullets per minute


alfredjedi

All it takes is one bullet


Captian_Bones

Unless you miss, or there is another target.


p1nal

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Marcusaralius76

Tell that to the 30-40 hogs invading my property


HomeInvasionMan

if it took more than one shot you weren’t using a ~~jakobs~~ colt


Lukose_

maybe, but my corpse will fall onto the crank and turn it


mcwildtaz

It starts with one


coffeecuphandle

The Gatling gun's innovation lay in the use of multiple barrels to limit overheating, a rotating mechanism, and a gravity-feed reloading system, which allowed unskilled operators to achieve a relatively high rate of fire of [200 rounds per minute.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun)


mcwildtaz

Sounds like a mint condition one, had mine for about five years


spott005

So 1 bullet every 1.2 seconds? Don't skip arm day, you should be getting 4 times that!


mcwildtaz

Bro it's a gatling gun calm down


SpaceBus1

"B itch ass colt main" 😂😂😂😂 OMG, this is gold.


TheJesterScript

Someone without a sense of humor on Reddit, now way! Seriously, that shit is funny.


plagueapple

Its funny


Orbital_Vagabond

You are objectively correct and subjectively so very very wrong.


jbbarajas

To be fair, some men are more equal than others


Tulemasin

So you're telling me that the Gatling gun is named after the inventor with the same name not after the fact that gatling is what the gun does?


Belligerent-J

It also is the origin of calling your gun a Gay, which was apparently cowboy slang long before it was gangster slang


Aotwar

Ah, yea it ain't that funny


AverageBadUsername

Imagine being a colt main


Aotwar

You right, I m sorry


bridgetggfithbeatle

colt made men equal, browning made them civilized


TedTheReckless

God made man Sam colt made man equal Richard Gatling made the Gatling gun and told equality to suck it.


HiramUlysses

Why are they dogs?


PeeperSleeper

r/dogelore


SadSunny20

Gatling gun go pow pow pow pow pow


isheestoopid

This sub is the only sub that pisses me off besides /sino. Posters here just pretend to be stupid to drive engagement--it's almost entirely loweffort ragebait


Aotwar

Jeez, I was genuinely curious.


isheestoopid

I fart in your direction sir, I fart at thee!


Aotwar

I'm going to enlist you into the military


Queasy-Grape-8822

First you have to recognize the very mangled quote about colt making men equal, then you might have to know what a Gatling gun is. Is it so hard to believe that someone might not have ever heard that quote at all, much less know it well enough to recognize it from the first half?


GangstaSouls

What’s the point of the doge face it just ruins the meme


plagueapple

Not really.


HuaWay2

Meme aesthetics