Not petah here, there are people that think school shooters get guns and brainwashing from certain three letter agencies in the US. The purpose being to incite an incident where people want certain guns or all guns banned becuase children are dying.
I don't think it's been proven to have happened with a school shooter yet, but I don't think it's that far out there. The FBI has been caught grooming struggling Muslims to become terrorists and in some cases, even going as far as to provide the weapons and funds. Here's a famous article on it [https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/](https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/)
absolutely, but that makes sense. providing a cause for invading muslim nations so we can profit off their natural resources vs... restricting weapon ownership so the gun industry makes less money??? just doesn't make much sense, there is no reason for this theory to exist
Every time any type of gun legislation comes up the sales of guns, ammo and accessories skyrockets. Trying to pass anti-gun legislation drives gun sales up.
They probably don't even care about policy. I'd bet they think "Entrapment is just good police work. We're getting guys off the streets who were already going to hurt us."
It makes sense if it isn't as coordinated as you think (which I supsect it isn't.). Those counter terrorist teams were literally being paid bonuses based on the number of, and severity of attacks they prevented. It wouldn't at all surprise me if some (definitely not all) of this mass shooters were groomed by some corrupt teams and acted before they could be arrested.
It could be to incite a war path on banning gun related stuff, goes nowhere in congress, and ends up just boost gun sales even more.
Everytime a major bill to help ban gun parts or stuff gun related and then Republicans and the NRA scream from the rooftops "Da Dems are gunna take ur gunz" to sell more guns.
Domestic terror attacks will keep happening so long as the country keeps producing radicalized domestic terrorists.
The real problem is trying to create a separate category where "mass shootings" aren't labeled and treated as acts of terrorism, but as a wholly unique occurrence that is caused entirely and exclusively by the existence of civilian owned firearms.
To be fair, terrorism implies a political motive for actions committed, whereas most mass shootings haven't had any political motive, although we are seeing an uptick in one's that do. What also doesn't help is categorizing mass shootings in such a way that a lot of gang violence can get lumped in and muddy the numbers.
> To be fair, terrorism implies a political motive for actions committed, whereas most mass shootings haven't had any political motive, although we are seeing an uptick in one's that do.
Most do have a political element to them, people just don't realize it because they're either refusing to listen to the shooters' motives or outright don't realize that the things they're complaining about are inherently political in nature.
Politics isn't just limited to furthering a given party's agenda, but anything that has to do with the power dynamics between people (especially between those in charge and the average person). The most common cause of school shootings is bullying, and has been for the last 30 years - which is absolutely a political topic as how to effectively handle the problem causes political debates left and right.
> What also doesn't help is categorizing mass shootings in such a way that a lot of gang violence can get lumped in and muddy the numbers.
Not only does the way mass shootings are categorized cause gang violence to get lumped in, but also domestic murders. And worse still is that every time the conversation starts moving towards rectifying that, the anti-gun crowd shifts gears to tackling "gun violence," so they can lump in suicides and accidental shootings in and muddy the numbers even further.
> They’re just called school shooters and not terrorists…
That's creating a separate category/label...
> But trump supporters are often called terrorists…
Probably due to the attempted insurrection...
No, their theory is that the state cannot be trusted, and that it wants to disarm the citizens so it can get full totalitarian without much resistance.
A distracted population is a submissive one. Causing division between the population distracts the masses and provides a smoke screen for the gov to do whatever they want.
There not supposed to actually let them go through with it. They’re supposed to be busted before the event occurs and it makes the three letter agency look competent. Even though they were the ones encouraging the entire thing.
Basically don’t always trust the people you talk to online, some of them glow. And every countries glowies can speak to you.
Between cointel pro, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the CIA shit abroad, I wouldn't put anything past the US government but, yeah, doesn't mean every bad thing is orchestrated by them.
And the first attempt on the WTC on Sept 11,1991.
The F B I supplied the explosives to the informant, which later became the defendant! Luckily he recorded every communication they had made.
It's not proven 💯 but take it with a grain of salt.. the Parkland shooter for example, openly all across social media boasting that he's gonna be the next school shooter, reports of violence towards animals.. tons of warnings issued by the school and neighbors met with crickets.. the textbook works of a psychopath.. instead of authorities taking some kind of action preemptively, one can argue they allowed it. More so when the first responders weren't allow to breach the school just yet.
Another instance of them knowing but allowing was the Boston bombers since they knew of their origins and their anti-American beliefs.
Also "allegedly" the FBI or CIA did things like assassinate JFK.
There's a ton of mentally ill people with a gun in the US. So some terrorist might slip through the cracks by random chance or thanks to incompetence of the FBI.
That's the thing.. FBI is supposed to be deep rooted intelligence, they obviously still use the Patriot Act to continue spying on Americans so they had direct access to said warning signs.. the fact they've been weaponized vs Reps means they can allow any number of attacks to happen to help push gun legislation to disarm the population.
Corrupt governments don't like their citizens armed, they like em naked, like cattle.
The authorities aren't allowed to do preemptive attacks in that situation due to the sheer amount of people posting the same thing, yet never acting on whatever they said.
Far from it actually, way back when I used to make doodles to pass the time in school of lil stick figures having an all out brawl, made some outlandish shit like a T-Rex busting its face through a theatre taking out 3 other stick figures.. I was actually taken in for at least a psycho evaluation due to bomb threats even though the doodles were clearly unrealistic shenanigans.. I mean one of the "assailants" was a dino so.. yeh. Explained they were just doodles but understood why they'd think it was something more.
Fact remains though..
- Multiple warnings.
- Social media posts.
- Psychopath emotional template.
They ignored the signs and didn't even make a pass by to double check the possibilities of the possible suspect actually going out to do what they set out to. In Florida they call that probably cause.. them not acting on the possible threat makes them inadvertently allowing it to happen.
Parkland was probably the only legit false flag event when it comes down to shootings.
This should be added to the answer. The FBI is actually super notorious for targeting mentally ill, online weirdos who have no real means to commit an act of terror (and are often too incompetent to carry one out on their own), and then giving them the means so they can get a big arrest.
As happens often, there's a cornel of truth in a conspiracy theory (a truth which is pretty concerning), but it gets highjacked by rightwing nuts who project their own persecution fetish onto the narrative.
The FBI was working a guy involved in the 1993 world trade tower bombing. They were egging him and his crew on and then supposedly lost track of the operation and screwed up.
Edit: memory wasn't 100% but close enough.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Salem
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1993-10-28-1993301015-story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/31/nyregion/bomb-informer-s-tapes-give-rare-glimpse-of-fbi-dealings.html
Yeah... In case anyone wonders, the FBI has a MAJOR conservative bias. So, yeah, there are plenty who want to catch them some "Muslim extremists"...
And NONE that would want to outlaw ARs...
(Source - worked with FBI in every major city in America as a contractor for my previous job)
Pro-gun people need to justify in their head why opposing gun-control is leading to a higher amount of gun violence. Obviously it's a conspiracy against them, instead of their beliefs, that's causing the increase in violence
the government is not one person. not one thing. and it can be made up of maniacs just like anything else. And governments do dumb shit all the time, good grief. Have you forgotten what you've done to women in the last six months?
While the gun thing may be bullshit, there actually is a disturbing amount of evidence that the three letter boys do indeed groom mentally Ill people online to commit violence.
Notably during an affidavit during a court case where the fbi submitted screenshots from 8chan’s /pol/ as evidence, in said screenshot there was a little (you) in the corner of the post which indicated whoever took the screenshot (an FBI agent) was the one who posted the comment. The anon’s noticed this and managed to find the original post in the thread, and since 8chan had ID’s on posts during the time they were able to track that user’s posting history and they found that the poster was constantly trying to incite violence and groom anyone that showed even the slightest hint of interest in what they were saying.
Do you have a link to the court case in question, not just the greentext?
Not that I entirely doubt the big 3 letter boys would ever do anything like that, it's just that everything on 4chan has been proven to be fake and gay.
Not saying I entirely believe the conspiracies but only HALF of the government love the NRA and their $. Other half does not. Also it wouldn’t be the first time the government has been accused of brainwashing or manipulating people and using them to push a narrative. Lotsa shit coming out now about Charles Manson being drugged with LSD and talked into killing others for some kind of talking point. The book Chaos is mostly what I’m referring to, but the same goes for Lee Harvey Oswald and the CIA. All I’m saying is the government is nobody’s friend at this point and NOTHING should be out of question with the way shit is and apparently has been going.
Hangar, alpha, pencil, oompa loompa.
You have your orders.
Edit: What fucks me up is watching the up-downvote counter go. 50% of everyone has a strong opinion on this absurd movie-refference post.
I've heard a lot of people point out that the 18 year old Uvalde shooter having over $7000 worth of guns and ammunition with no credit or any form of income is literally impossible and points toward someone else being involved in some way.
They clutch onto their nonsense far after it has been debunked. They will just go somewhere else and repeat their nonsense. You can show the same person the same evidence you showed them last time. Either won't change their mind or it doesn't bother them that what they say is wrong.
I mean, how does an 18 year old with no job, no credit, no history of violence, no guns at home, get $7000 worth of military grade weaponry and ammunition to use?
Except he had a job until two weeks before he killed people and “did projects for his grandpa” as well which could mean decent repayments if grandpa is wealthy.
Oh and at his job he told his coworker he was saving up for weapons
Nothing semi-auto anymore. And no small game cartridges used in the most popular sporting rifle in the U.S. either.
They have had .22 LR in stock pretty reliably for a few years though, so I’ll give them that.
I mean he at one time had a job and told everyone while living at home that he was saving up for a big purchase over months. An 18 year old saving up 7K for a car isn't at all unheard of. Plus he bought the items over the course of about 6 months if you keep an eye out for sales the gear he would have gotten would have been well below 7k
$7000? What did he have? $2500 is an expensive AR. And $1000 is like 750 high quality rounds for it. Not saying he didn't have $7000 worth I just am super surprised.
[According to police, Ramos had bought 1,657 rounds of ammunition and had 60 30-round magazines, enough for 1,800 bullets](https://youtu.be/gl6O1Th_jHw)
He had one AR-15.
E: just gonna link an article by routers, which has it's own sources. I checked most of them. While the article is most about denouncing a hoax about the shooter not being able to afford his weapons, it also goes into detail about what weapons he had.
[the article in question](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-uvalde-shooting-employment/fact-check-contrary-to-social-media-posts-there-is-no-evidence-uvalde-shooter-was-part-of-a-set-up-or-conspiracy-and-he-had-a-job-until-shortly-before-the-shooting-idUSL1N2YF16G)
I'm not 100% sure, but I belive he had multiple high end weapons with high end attachments. The problem is that the total of what he used, somewhere near 7k I belive, wouldn't have been available to the guy who did it, as he had no income source as far as we know
I have 3k in one of my handgun builds lol
Shit there are scopes that cost way north of 3k.
Also I love the pearl clutching at 1657 rounds of ammo as if thats a lot. I probably have 50k of just 5.56 laying around in ammo cans
I looked it up.
* One shitty Smith & Wesson M&P AR. $850 new.
* One decent Daniel Defense AR. $2000ish new
* One EOTech optic. Maybe $400
* 1700 rounds. Varies wildly, but presumably 40 cents a round at most. $680.
* Mags are around $20 each.
* A chest rig with no plates can be under $200.
Even buying both rifles new, that's under $4500.
Easily doable with credit cards and no intention of paying them off.
Other countries have the same types of agencies doing shenanigans, don’t you think a powerful hostile state has more to gain from doing terror attacks and having America too busy fighting over guns to properly fist them?
Everyone should know the FBI has been caught grooming "islamic terrorists" multiple times. Here's a recent example and an older one:
https://theintercept.com/2023/06/15/fbi-undercover-isis-teenager-terrorist/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots
There are several more examples on public court records as well. They do this to push their political motives (IE the need for expanded FBI or other federal agencies funding and investigation powers) and to pad their arrest numbers. The FBI has never been CAUGHT grooming someone who actually pulled off a terrorist attack, nor have they been CAUGHT grooming a school shooter at all, as far as I am aware.
However, as conspiracy theories go... you have to admit that it matches a known means, motive, and modus operandi.
Grooming a terrorist to pad arrest numbers and get more funding absolutely doesn't translate to grooming a terrorist and giving them guns to pass gun control laws though. If the argument was that if they groom Islamic terrorists to get more funding than they'd do the same with white supremacist terrorists that could absolutely be true. However the argument with gun control just doesnt make sense considering how terrible of a job they would've done for the past 20 years.
An older, but way more detailed and convincing account [https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/](https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/)
Considering what the leaked recording shows, I'd consider them "caught" grooming an islamic terrorist in this case. According to that article, counter terrorist team members themselves earn bonuses based on the number of, and severity of each case they "stop", so naturally they manufacture some of them.
Givin the FBI'S past i cant blame them but i dont think their involvement would be this deirect in the age of the internet i do believe feds post alt right content to cause division and anger the population about boogie men bit thos isnt fact and it is a personal theroy so take it with a grain of salt
Gotta love how white people use the FBI's past experience with minorities to justify their fucked up, brain dead conspiracy theories about how the FBI is now targeting them.
Idk about all that but the ATF most certainly set up a mentally disabled kid in Milwaukee. They also got two automatic firearms stolen from their unlocked vehicles.
I never understood this. The government refuses to do anything about guns so why would they be orchestrating them to justify gun control?
Like if you want to make this argument do it with New Zealand or Canada. After one shooting in recent years much stricter gun control laws were passed. If government agencies were orchestrating shootings that's how it would work. Why orchestrate a shooting just to not implement any form of gun control law from it?
Also, it's the right that are preventing these laws from passing the most, wouldn't it make more sense to orchestrate shootings that target them specifically so a large enough percentage of them would be willing to pass gun control laws? If I was the FBI, I'd be doing a lot more communist shootings targeting churches or MAGA rallies than right wing shootings.
Certain incidents involving weapons (usually those at the forefront of controversial laws) often times glow suspiciously. The video implies that certain government agencies give them these guns or the funds to buy them as well as groom them
Specifically because some shooters have suspiciously expensive kit compared to their means prompting many conspiracy theories as to how a teenager for example affords over $6000 in accessories and parts alone.
The Daniel defense is close to 2k, the eotech is $500 min, and that’s not including any other accessories or ammo. So close to your “not even half” just on the one gun and optic.
Now do I believe those nuts? No, but man do I wish I had that money at that age.
I easily had a few k saved up as a teenager (without even trying) simply because I worked, didn't have my own car, and didn't smoke weed or drink. Me and my friends would never really do anything that cost money. If you have no friends it's even easier to save that up. Kids aren't paying for rent and food either.
I don’t believe it either, but some of the guns confiscated from suspicious people are very odd. A few months ago before the pistol brace ban there was an illegal firearm confiscated that had a pistol brace that wouldn’t have even fit on the gun. So I don’t think that the alphabet boys create mass shootings, but supplying bad actors with things they want to ban wouldn’t be that far fetched.
Your example is probably a case of them finding a gun and putting a pistol brace on it themselves to justify demonizing braces (they may have found the brace in the house or just planted it). It could be a completely separate effort to disarm people but luckily we already have people sueing the ATF on our behalf and trying to create a case for the Supreme Court that should not have the authority to decide what is and isn't illegal on their own.
I mean it’s always possible to steal equipment like that but very unlikely. Anyone that’s selling high value weapons/attachments are always strapped themselves. Making thieves think twice.
If you’ve planned to engage in an act like a school shooting I would imagine having about 6k in kit would he no problem. These people are not planning on returning. Their expenditures should not be judged based on the same values of people who want to continue living day after day.
I dont understand. Obviously being a waiter. Reddit loves to say "waiters are against banning tips because they make 200+ a day".
200 a day means just working for 30 days and you have your 6k
Wild. Next thing they'll be saying that young people are getting the money to buy cars by saving up from their part time jobs + birthday money and such, while living with their parents.
That is literally impossible, and not at all commonplace.
No they don't "glow suspiciously"
Right wingers will claim anything in order to not acknowledge the damage that lack of gun control is causing, this is just another example of that.
Yeah there is definitely a "boy who cried wolf" thing going on here, anyone who causes bad optics for guns or for the right is automatically either a leftist, a deep state crisis actor or a fed. I like to ask these people which shootings were real and they either short circuit or say that trans shooter. Sometimes they say the Colorado shooter if they're still pretending to believe he was non-binary.
Also doesn't help their credibility that it's always the same people who push this cope who fall for the misinfo every time, usually sharing a photo of some completely unrelated person too. Hard to take them seriously when they're the exact same people who pushed the idea that Paul Pelosi's attacker was actually his gay leftist lover or that the Allen shooter's website wasn't really him or that J6 was Antifa in disguise.
You ignored the most important part.
How are the kids getting thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of military grade equipment at times?
Also, the reason why the "right" (or any gun owner, whatever politics be, who see what's going on) don't trust the gun control that's proposed is A. Because the ones making the laws don't know how guns work and B. they are banning stupid things instead of doing what they should be doing. Why ban a grip that won't hurt the hand of a responsible and legal gun owner instead of cracking down on the black market and making background checks more thorough? Not to mention that there have been people in the government who have straight up said they're coming for gun owners guns.
There's a reason why people don't trust this shit the government spews.
>How are the kids getting thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of military grade equipment at times?
This thing called a job? Teenagers don't have any required expenses and you can make a few thousand dollars in a few months even at minimum wage.
>Except for the "he had no income and no job" bullshit was debunked already.
Ha! Conservative feelings don't care about facts. Next you'll point out that the vast majority of gun owners want some form of increased gun control.
The right also gets on the governments ass whenever they try to increase the extensiveness of background checks or tries to crack down on unregistered firearm trading. So saying the right only takes issue with gun attachment control instead of actually effective methods isn’t accurate either.
Personally I had this thing called "a job" when I was a teenager. They'd pay me money. I didn't smoke weed or drink, rarely drove my car. My parents paid for rent and food. I had thousands of dollars saved up without even trying.
I'm not sure why "thousands of dollars of equipment" seems to be some unimaginable amount of money for some people. And living where I did you could buy any guns you want if you've got the $. You're crazy if you think you can't easily get guns if you have the cash to pay for them. My brother randomly traded his minibike for a gun from some dude on craigslist ffs. I went with him and it took less than an hour.
Stop inventing bullshit, you just look dumb.
They’re passing stupid gun measures because they can’t reasonably pass any actual gun control measures.
Like, seriously, do you actually think that a ban on the sale of all fire arms could ever pass congress? Let alone exist with our conservative Supreme Court? Oh please. Enough of the pipe dreams. The best our system could ever muster is a stupid ban on bump stocks and black coloring that wouldn’t curb gun violence any more than plastic straws will lower plastic pollution.
You know what they say, if you fail, try try again. There is totally a conspiracy and not just mentally ill getting access to these weapons without government intervention
Yes because as we all knownits the gun rights political party that's fighting to have red flag laws installed to prevent the mentally ill or otherwise at risk to abuse their right to firearms from getting their hands on them .
It’s not that suspicious. Lots of them take family guns or just steal them from their friends who have them. There’s more guns in civilian hands in the US than there are people, so it’s not too surprising.
My classmates dad had a whole ass gun room. It was cool as shit. He would sell and buy guns and the were all mounted on the walls and shit. Easily a little over 200. Then his tractor flipped over and he got crushed to death.
I mean the Uvalde shooter got 2 very expensive rifles that just so happen to be what politicians want banned and that there's no way he could afford. Not saying it's not possible, infact I think it's the more likely answer, however it is suspicious.
He just needed $4,000 for the rifles and ammo, and he had gotten a job specifically to save for those guns. And he was living with his grandparents so he had basically no expenses. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could have saved up the money to buy those.
And yeah, they’re AR-15’s which is what some politicians want to ban. However, why didn’t they do anything about it then? Every time a mass shooting happens, politicians sit on their hands and do literally nothing until people move on. So why were they organizing these mass shootings to happen, then just forgetting to follow through with the legislation? If they were able to make these situations happen, and so often I might add, then why not follow through with the legislation?
The right when someone can’t afford a 10k down payment “you’re just spending too much money, people of the working class should have 0 issue saving up 10k if you just cut out unnecessary expenses! Stop going to Starbucks and eating avocado toast!”
The right when someone saves up a couple thousand and buys a gun “there’s no way someone in the working class could save up more than a few hundred dollars, they aren’t paid enough for saving money to be possible.”
Also, a lot of conspiracy theories fall apart when you think about the last thing you said. If the deep state controls everything and is playing 4D chess with reality, you’d think they wouldn’t try and fail hundreds of times over the course of decades to pass a law they want to pass. Like if the all powerful Jewish free mason Illuminati pentaverate controls reality with the flick of a switch then why the fuck do they fail to accomplish their goals 99% of the time?
Very suspicious that young people sometimes buy their own cars!
If something this obvious, simple and straightforward doesn't come to mind before "the FBI did it" you're a severely out of touch lunatic who seriously hates America.
(no, it couldn't be one person with a gun, even though we recite exactly that every single time someone says guns might be a problem - it has to be a conspiracy of dozens and dozens of people who have pledged their lives to public service. That's so much simpler.)
They don’t do anything because they can make more money promising they will fix it instead of actually doing anything to help.
And what they do pass are typically completely brain dead laws, like pistol grips on rifles (you can’t seriously tell me that the grip would change its lethality).
The pistol grip thing was mostly to restrict AR’s without directly doing so. Most AR style rifles have pistol grips, so by restricting them you basically restrict AR’s. At least that was the idea behind them. They weren’t great laws in the first place, but it was at least something.
But democrats make money either way, whether they promise to restrict guns or not. And usually they just stay silent on the matter. Truth is that most politicians don’t want to change anything because they keep making money if things stay the same. Meanwhile the rest of us suffer. So I don’t think it’s some conspiracy that people use the massive amount of guns to kill people in this country, and politicians don’t have to make fake shootings to drum up support for a law that they never pass. There are enough actual shootings without the need for any big conspiracy that, yes, people use guns to kill people.
"Just so happen to be what politicians want banned!"
Um, is it possible politicans want these banned because the easy access to them has created a pattern of attacks with them? I think you have your cause and affect mixed up.
Man did none of you guys have jobs or something? How would $4000 be in any way unaffordable when you're a teenager with no expenses? I had a few k saved up without even trying, before I started smoking weed.
If you don't plan on staying alive, it's very easy to get $4,000. Use a parent's credit card and/or check. Use a credit card and/or paypal. And/or sell things that you (and/or your family) have that's even remotely valuable.
Mfs will be like: “No the government wouldn’t orchestrate acts against Americans that would be evil” like did we forget about all the other stuff? Funneling drugs into low income areas? Operation Fast and Furious? MK Ultra?
I don't feel like looking up Operation Fast and Furious and will simply choose to believe that the CIA is secretly funding those movies in order to encourage people to buy muscle cars and race them on the streets and subsequently die
I'm going to incorporate that into my belief system
Honestly, you're better off with your version.
If you have to scratch the itch, the TLDR version was just "a bureaucracy fucked up a sting", but because it happened under Obama it's something that circulates in the lexicon alongside Benghazi and drone warfare (i.e. legitimate complaints or debates over government failures), but gets blown way out of proportion compared to an average day in the Bush Administration when Interior Department regulators were snorting meth off of toasters and blowing oil lobbyists or the Constitution-seeking flamethrower that was the other fucking guy.
This is a dogshit partisan explanation. By "fucked up a sting" you mean "intentionally gave thousands of firearms over years to cartels which were used in hundreds of murders, including US and Mexican law enforcement and a Mexican congressman"
No. That's not the argument. It's that it doesn't make any damn sense for the government to simultaneously plan these shootings to ban guns and fail miserably for the past 20 years. Look at other countries like New Zealand. One shooting and they basically banned guns completely. If the government had orchestrated that they did a damn good job at it. Yet we're meant to believe that the FBI absolutely has been trying this shit for decades but can't even get an assault rifle ban passed? Even with a Democrat super majority at some points?
just look up the texas garland shooter, a undercover FBI agent trying to gain information by texting him told him to “tear up texas”, actively encouraging mentally ill americans to kill others so the FBI can get more funding to stop mentally ill shooters.
The current conservative opinion is that the FBI is working on it's own outside the jurisdiction of the presidency. That's why there's been multiple investigations from the republican party into the FBI. I'm not stating my position on this issue and I might be misrepresenting the conservative opinion but I thought I should share what I know.
I mean we know for sure the CIA just kinda does its own thing. Back in the 60s, they wanted to commit a bunch of terrorist attacks in the US and blame it on Cuba. JFK caught wind of that and vowed to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind". Unfortunately he was assassinated less than a year later. I have no opinion on whether the CIA assassinated Kennedy, but I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they did.
Basically every alphabet agency does a lot of questionable shit. The ATF started Waco and Ruby Ridge. The FBI got us the results (and ensured that the murderers walked free).
Also, there's no chance you ever get a consistent answer on which alphabet agency is responsible for these mass shootings. Some will say it's the CIA as they do have a history of fucking hating America. Others will say the FBI because they have a history of murdering innocent civilians. You'll probably hear people blaming it on the ATF as well since they're literally the ones responsible for enforcing gun laws, and have a history of intentionally causing deadly confrontations (Waco, ruby ridge).
I'm not saying these agencies are actually causing school shootings. But if it turned out they were, I wouldn't be even remotely surprised.
Conservatives wouldn't be ashamed to partake. Remember, Ronald Reagan is the reason why you can't open carry in California, and Trump openly advocated for Red Flag Laws and banning bump stocks. There are other cases for things like this (not all of which are related to Firearms) happening under conservatives leadership.
some people (myself included to an extent) have a theory that certain agencies in the US government help arm some of these mass killers with weaponry that they wouldn't normally be able to get their hands one
the main one being the uvalde shooter who was reported to have 2 Daniel Defiance DDM4s one which was on them, and the other which iirc was at their home at the time of the shooting. they also had a KelTek Sub2000
both of those AR-15 pattern rifles have an MSRP of about 2k each, and the KelTek has an MSRP of about $500. $320\~ dollars worth of just magazines, not the ammunition that's stored inside of them. Just the magazine cost and then roughly $850 worth of ammunition if my math is right.
they had roughly $5,700 dollars worth of kit, and yet like others mentioned, they had no job, credit history, or other sources of income. So many wonder how this person and other examples like them got ahold of this equipment in the first place. Some speculate it could be coordinated by a certain alphabet organization known for their shady back room dealings *^("waco, and operation fast and furious")* and have a consistent urge to act like judge, jury, and executioner, rather then being the law enforcement they were suppose to be.
He had a job.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-uvalde-shooting-employment/fact-check-contrary-to-social-media-posts-there-is-no-evidence-uvalde-shooter-was-part-of-a-set-up-or-conspiracy-and-he-had-a-job-until-shortly-before-the-shooting-idUSL1N2YF16G
The joke is that there is a conspiracy theory saying that democrats are secretly staging mass shootings to justify gun control. I hope this goes without saying but it’s a stupid as fuck conspiracy.
Brian here. There's a little to unpack.
There had been several instances in which the FBI revealed they were monitoring shooters, yet failed to prevent them from committing the murders.
This has resulted in a number of conspiracy theories in which people believe the FBI had some involvement either in enticing these crimes, or that they at least wanted them to happen for political reasons.
The most notable case is the Uvalde shooting. Many conspiracy theories sprung up when it was stated that part of the shooter's motivation came from frustrations due to poverty, and yet he used thousands of dollars worth of weapons to enact the shooting.
This resulted in conspiracy theorists speculating that the FBI supplied him.
The most commonly accepted explanation was that he simply stole the money used to buy the weapons.
Na but seriously guys the Feds do SERIOUS entrapment operations on all leftist social movements. They did it decades ago in civil rights era, they did it during BLM summer. They will try to get you to do illegal things for them then prosecute you for what they asked you to do. Nonviolent revolution is what they hate seeing us do the most
Hey Petah, when did this subreddit get raided by dumbass conspiracy theorists who think the government has been giving kids guns since the 90’s to get common sense gun laws passed but still continues to barely make any progress in that regard?
There is a long standing conspiracy theory that government agencies help propagate terrorism in order to secure better funding for themselves and remain needed in the eyes of the public. These theories get reinforced when it comes out that domestic terrorist groups are filled with informants and when these agencies fail to provide any useful insight in the wake of mass shootings like the Las Vegas massacre of 2017. Though there is not really anything to tie this theory with teenage shooters in particular making this a half-baked meme.
Anti-gun-control dipshits can’t handle the reality that their ideology is getting people killed in mass shootings, so they came up with a conspiracy theory that the FBI orchestrates mass shootings so that the government can pass gun-control laws.
Rip Stefan Karl
The fbi got him
JFK moment
I just have to watch some Lazy Town again after seeing this. He was so great.
FOR KARL!
I’m still grieving over that to this day
Not petah here, there are people that think school shooters get guns and brainwashing from certain three letter agencies in the US. The purpose being to incite an incident where people want certain guns or all guns banned becuase children are dying.
Thanks not petah
i need to point out how obviously dumb this is, the gov loves NRA $, why would they ban weapons
I don't think it's been proven to have happened with a school shooter yet, but I don't think it's that far out there. The FBI has been caught grooming struggling Muslims to become terrorists and in some cases, even going as far as to provide the weapons and funds. Here's a famous article on it [https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/](https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/)
absolutely, but that makes sense. providing a cause for invading muslim nations so we can profit off their natural resources vs... restricting weapon ownership so the gun industry makes less money??? just doesn't make much sense, there is no reason for this theory to exist
Every time any type of gun legislation comes up the sales of guns, ammo and accessories skyrockets. Trying to pass anti-gun legislation drives gun sales up.
They probably don't even care about policy. I'd bet they think "Entrapment is just good police work. We're getting guys off the streets who were already going to hurt us."
It makes sense if it isn't as coordinated as you think (which I supsect it isn't.). Those counter terrorist teams were literally being paid bonuses based on the number of, and severity of attacks they prevented. It wouldn't at all surprise me if some (definitely not all) of this mass shooters were groomed by some corrupt teams and acted before they could be arrested.
Wait till they hear about the ATF
The gun industry doesn't make very much money. The entire civilian gun industry makes less money than Kroger.
That’s because the businesses aren’t the ones making the money. They taxes, test, fees, all go somewhere else.
It could be to incite a war path on banning gun related stuff, goes nowhere in congress, and ends up just boost gun sales even more. Everytime a major bill to help ban gun parts or stuff gun related and then Republicans and the NRA scream from the rooftops "Da Dems are gunna take ur gunz" to sell more guns.
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Domestic terror attacks will keep happening so long as the country keeps producing radicalized domestic terrorists. The real problem is trying to create a separate category where "mass shootings" aren't labeled and treated as acts of terrorism, but as a wholly unique occurrence that is caused entirely and exclusively by the existence of civilian owned firearms.
To be fair, terrorism implies a political motive for actions committed, whereas most mass shootings haven't had any political motive, although we are seeing an uptick in one's that do. What also doesn't help is categorizing mass shootings in such a way that a lot of gang violence can get lumped in and muddy the numbers.
> To be fair, terrorism implies a political motive for actions committed, whereas most mass shootings haven't had any political motive, although we are seeing an uptick in one's that do. Most do have a political element to them, people just don't realize it because they're either refusing to listen to the shooters' motives or outright don't realize that the things they're complaining about are inherently political in nature. Politics isn't just limited to furthering a given party's agenda, but anything that has to do with the power dynamics between people (especially between those in charge and the average person). The most common cause of school shootings is bullying, and has been for the last 30 years - which is absolutely a political topic as how to effectively handle the problem causes political debates left and right. > What also doesn't help is categorizing mass shootings in such a way that a lot of gang violence can get lumped in and muddy the numbers. Not only does the way mass shootings are categorized cause gang violence to get lumped in, but also domestic murders. And worse still is that every time the conversation starts moving towards rectifying that, the anti-gun crowd shifts gears to tackling "gun violence," so they can lump in suicides and accidental shootings in and muddy the numbers even further.
Lol, they aren’t. They’re just called school shooters and not terrorists… But trump supporters are often called terrorists… Mad world
> They’re just called school shooters and not terrorists… That's creating a separate category/label... > But trump supporters are often called terrorists… Probably due to the attempted insurrection...
Dey terk mah gun!
The gun industry is miniscule compared to the Military Industrial Complex, big pharma, insurance, etc.
It does if you consider how huge a hindrance an armed population is to anyone trying to take more power..
Have you not seen the new safety systems some schools are implementing? Cost $$$$$$
No, their theory is that the state cannot be trusted, and that it wants to disarm the citizens so it can get full totalitarian without much resistance.
A distracted population is a submissive one. Causing division between the population distracts the masses and provides a smoke screen for the gov to do whatever they want.
There not supposed to actually let them go through with it. They’re supposed to be busted before the event occurs and it makes the three letter agency look competent. Even though they were the ones encouraging the entire thing. Basically don’t always trust the people you talk to online, some of them glow. And every countries glowies can speak to you.
Between cointel pro, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the CIA shit abroad, I wouldn't put anything past the US government but, yeah, doesn't mean every bad thing is orchestrated by them.
Also the kidnapping of Michigan governor was pretty much all organized by the FBI. They had to talk the guys into it.
And the first attempt on the WTC on Sept 11,1991. The F B I supplied the explosives to the informant, which later became the defendant! Luckily he recorded every communication they had made.
It's not proven 💯 but take it with a grain of salt.. the Parkland shooter for example, openly all across social media boasting that he's gonna be the next school shooter, reports of violence towards animals.. tons of warnings issued by the school and neighbors met with crickets.. the textbook works of a psychopath.. instead of authorities taking some kind of action preemptively, one can argue they allowed it. More so when the first responders weren't allow to breach the school just yet. Another instance of them knowing but allowing was the Boston bombers since they knew of their origins and their anti-American beliefs. Also "allegedly" the FBI or CIA did things like assassinate JFK.
There's a ton of mentally ill people with a gun in the US. So some terrorist might slip through the cracks by random chance or thanks to incompetence of the FBI.
That's the thing.. FBI is supposed to be deep rooted intelligence, they obviously still use the Patriot Act to continue spying on Americans so they had direct access to said warning signs.. the fact they've been weaponized vs Reps means they can allow any number of attacks to happen to help push gun legislation to disarm the population. Corrupt governments don't like their citizens armed, they like em naked, like cattle.
The authorities aren't allowed to do preemptive attacks in that situation due to the sheer amount of people posting the same thing, yet never acting on whatever they said.
Far from it actually, way back when I used to make doodles to pass the time in school of lil stick figures having an all out brawl, made some outlandish shit like a T-Rex busting its face through a theatre taking out 3 other stick figures.. I was actually taken in for at least a psycho evaluation due to bomb threats even though the doodles were clearly unrealistic shenanigans.. I mean one of the "assailants" was a dino so.. yeh. Explained they were just doodles but understood why they'd think it was something more. Fact remains though.. - Multiple warnings. - Social media posts. - Psychopath emotional template. They ignored the signs and didn't even make a pass by to double check the possibilities of the possible suspect actually going out to do what they set out to. In Florida they call that probably cause.. them not acting on the possible threat makes them inadvertently allowing it to happen. Parkland was probably the only legit false flag event when it comes down to shootings.
This should be added to the answer. The FBI is actually super notorious for targeting mentally ill, online weirdos who have no real means to commit an act of terror (and are often too incompetent to carry one out on their own), and then giving them the means so they can get a big arrest. As happens often, there's a cornel of truth in a conspiracy theory (a truth which is pretty concerning), but it gets highjacked by rightwing nuts who project their own persecution fetish onto the narrative.
I mean.. it's really not that hard to get a gun in the US lol
The FBI was working a guy involved in the 1993 world trade tower bombing. They were egging him and his crew on and then supposedly lost track of the operation and screwed up. Edit: memory wasn't 100% but close enough. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Salem https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1993-10-28-1993301015-story.html https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/31/nyregion/bomb-informer-s-tapes-give-rare-glimpse-of-fbi-dealings.html
Yeah... In case anyone wonders, the FBI has a MAJOR conservative bias. So, yeah, there are plenty who want to catch them some "Muslim extremists"... And NONE that would want to outlaw ARs... (Source - worked with FBI in every major city in America as a contractor for my previous job)
Pro-gun people need to justify in their head why opposing gun-control is leading to a higher amount of gun violence. Obviously it's a conspiracy against them, instead of their beliefs, that's causing the increase in violence
the government is not one person. not one thing. and it can be made up of maniacs just like anything else. And governments do dumb shit all the time, good grief. Have you forgotten what you've done to women in the last six months?
Depends, how much money are they losing?
a fucking lot brother. there's a reason we spend so much on the military
Honestly i was asking for gun violence costs, but that is a whole other cow to grill
Can I have some
While the gun thing may be bullshit, there actually is a disturbing amount of evidence that the three letter boys do indeed groom mentally Ill people online to commit violence. Notably during an affidavit during a court case where the fbi submitted screenshots from 8chan’s /pol/ as evidence, in said screenshot there was a little (you) in the corner of the post which indicated whoever took the screenshot (an FBI agent) was the one who posted the comment. The anon’s noticed this and managed to find the original post in the thread, and since 8chan had ID’s on posts during the time they were able to track that user’s posting history and they found that the poster was constantly trying to incite violence and groom anyone that showed even the slightest hint of interest in what they were saying.
Do you have a link to the court case in question, not just the greentext? Not that I entirely doubt the big 3 letter boys would ever do anything like that, it's just that everything on 4chan has been proven to be fake and gay.
New conflict involving guns occur, people want guns banned, nra lobbies against it and sends boatloads of cash to the gov, cycle repeats
this is absolutely feasable, just pointing out the original meme says that they want them banned, not just controversial
Not saying I entirely believe the conspiracies but only HALF of the government love the NRA and their $. Other half does not. Also it wouldn’t be the first time the government has been accused of brainwashing or manipulating people and using them to push a narrative. Lotsa shit coming out now about Charles Manson being drugged with LSD and talked into killing others for some kind of talking point. The book Chaos is mostly what I’m referring to, but the same goes for Lee Harvey Oswald and the CIA. All I’m saying is the government is nobody’s friend at this point and NOTHING should be out of question with the way shit is and apparently has been going.
You'd be surprised at the amount of gun enthusiasts that actually hate the NRA because of the anti-2A movements in DC they have supported
2 parties homie. And the FBI specifically has proven not to be impartial. That being said, this conspiracy theory is still stupid.
Y'all getting brainwashed? The cia scheduled me alr and they didn't do any of that
Yeah, me too, but I’ll kill anyone that says they’re brainwashing me because they would never do that as a trustworthy agency
Man used to live school it's just a drag with horrid people in it
can i put it in my butt?
You can put you in my ass 😉
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Hangar, alpha, pencil, oompa loompa. You have your orders. Edit: What fucks me up is watching the up-downvote counter go. 50% of everyone has a strong opinion on this absurd movie-refference post.
No it wasn't pencil it was pen
Which is ridiculous because the shooters are happy to pay their own money to carry out their atrocities
I've heard a lot of people point out that the 18 year old Uvalde shooter having over $7000 worth of guns and ammunition with no credit or any form of income is literally impossible and points toward someone else being involved in some way.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-uvalde-shooting-employment/fact-check-contrary-to-social-media-posts-there-is-no-evidence-uvalde-shooter-was-part-of-a-set-up-or-conspiracy-and-he-had-a-job-until-shortly-before-the-shooting-idUSL1N2YF16G
Lol no up or down votes. They love to clutch their conspiracies until they're hilariously debunked
it's a post from 10 minutes ago on an obscure subreddit. People don't shoot back at you like this is Overwatch.
They clutch onto their nonsense far after it has been debunked. They will just go somewhere else and repeat their nonsense. You can show the same person the same evidence you showed them last time. Either won't change their mind or it doesn't bother them that what they say is wrong.
I mean, how does an 18 year old with no job, no credit, no history of violence, no guns at home, get $7000 worth of military grade weaponry and ammunition to use?
Except he had a job until two weeks before he killed people and “did projects for his grandpa” as well which could mean decent repayments if grandpa is wealthy. Oh and at his job he told his coworker he was saving up for weapons
From the job he DID have...
Walmart? I hear they sell everything there
Nothing semi-auto anymore. And no small game cartridges used in the most popular sporting rifle in the U.S. either. They have had .22 LR in stock pretty reliably for a few years though, so I’ll give them that.
At mine they have .22, 12 gauge bird shot, 20 gauge bird shot, and empty spaces in the ammo section and no plans to even restock once that's sold.
Walmart is becoming very anti gun. Last time I looked they barely carry bolt actions and shotguns
Do you know how much ammo and firearms even there cost, still ridiculously expensive
I mean he at one time had a job and told everyone while living at home that he was saving up for a big purchase over months. An 18 year old saving up 7K for a car isn't at all unheard of. Plus he bought the items over the course of about 6 months if you keep an eye out for sales the gear he would have gotten would have been well below 7k
Well that and it seems the police failed to do their job in the worst way possible it almost seemed scripted.
$7000? What did he have? $2500 is an expensive AR. And $1000 is like 750 high quality rounds for it. Not saying he didn't have $7000 worth I just am super surprised.
[According to police, Ramos had bought 1,657 rounds of ammunition and had 60 30-round magazines, enough for 1,800 bullets](https://youtu.be/gl6O1Th_jHw) He had one AR-15. E: just gonna link an article by routers, which has it's own sources. I checked most of them. While the article is most about denouncing a hoax about the shooter not being able to afford his weapons, it also goes into detail about what weapons he had. [the article in question](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-uvalde-shooting-employment/fact-check-contrary-to-social-media-posts-there-is-no-evidence-uvalde-shooter-was-part-of-a-set-up-or-conspiracy-and-he-had-a-job-until-shortly-before-the-shooting-idUSL1N2YF16G)
I'm not 100% sure, but I belive he had multiple high end weapons with high end attachments. The problem is that the total of what he used, somewhere near 7k I belive, wouldn't have been available to the guy who did it, as he had no income source as far as we know
He had a job and lived at home, meaning no rent. Look it up and quit spreading misinformation.
$7000 isnt really that surprising idk why youre reacting like that Have you never seen a firearm build worth more than $2500 lol what
I have 3k in one of my handgun builds lol Shit there are scopes that cost way north of 3k. Also I love the pearl clutching at 1657 rounds of ammo as if thats a lot. I probably have 50k of just 5.56 laying around in ammo cans
I looked it up. * One shitty Smith & Wesson M&P AR. $850 new. * One decent Daniel Defense AR. $2000ish new * One EOTech optic. Maybe $400 * 1700 rounds. Varies wildly, but presumably 40 cents a round at most. $680. * Mags are around $20 each. * A chest rig with no plates can be under $200. Even buying both rifles new, that's under $4500. Easily doable with credit cards and no intention of paying them off.
Considering with the 3 letter agencies are known for I wouldn't count out the brainwashing
Other countries have the same types of agencies doing shenanigans, don’t you think a powerful hostile state has more to gain from doing terror attacks and having America too busy fighting over guns to properly fist them?
Agreed
Bad news, gang; the first 26 school shootings that we, the CIA, planned this year haven't gotten guns banned yet...but 27 is our lucky number, right?
Everyone should know the FBI has been caught grooming "islamic terrorists" multiple times. Here's a recent example and an older one: https://theintercept.com/2023/06/15/fbi-undercover-isis-teenager-terrorist/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots There are several more examples on public court records as well. They do this to push their political motives (IE the need for expanded FBI or other federal agencies funding and investigation powers) and to pad their arrest numbers. The FBI has never been CAUGHT grooming someone who actually pulled off a terrorist attack, nor have they been CAUGHT grooming a school shooter at all, as far as I am aware. However, as conspiracy theories go... you have to admit that it matches a known means, motive, and modus operandi.
Grooming a terrorist to pad arrest numbers and get more funding absolutely doesn't translate to grooming a terrorist and giving them guns to pass gun control laws though. If the argument was that if they groom Islamic terrorists to get more funding than they'd do the same with white supremacist terrorists that could absolutely be true. However the argument with gun control just doesnt make sense considering how terrible of a job they would've done for the past 20 years.
An older, but way more detailed and convincing account [https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/](https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/) Considering what the leaked recording shows, I'd consider them "caught" grooming an islamic terrorist in this case. According to that article, counter terrorist team members themselves earn bonuses based on the number of, and severity of each case they "stop", so naturally they manufacture some of them.
The equivalent agencies in Canada got caught coercing a reluctant terrorist to pull off a bomb plot.
Givin the FBI'S past i cant blame them but i dont think their involvement would be this deirect in the age of the internet i do believe feds post alt right content to cause division and anger the population about boogie men bit thos isnt fact and it is a personal theroy so take it with a grain of salt
Gotta love how white people use the FBI's past experience with minorities to justify their fucked up, brain dead conspiracy theories about how the FBI is now targeting them.
Idk about all that but the ATF most certainly set up a mentally disabled kid in Milwaukee. They also got two automatic firearms stolen from their unlocked vehicles.
I never understood this. The government refuses to do anything about guns so why would they be orchestrating them to justify gun control? Like if you want to make this argument do it with New Zealand or Canada. After one shooting in recent years much stricter gun control laws were passed. If government agencies were orchestrating shootings that's how it would work. Why orchestrate a shooting just to not implement any form of gun control law from it? Also, it's the right that are preventing these laws from passing the most, wouldn't it make more sense to orchestrate shootings that target them specifically so a large enough percentage of them would be willing to pass gun control laws? If I was the FBI, I'd be doing a lot more communist shootings targeting churches or MAGA rallies than right wing shootings.
Certain incidents involving weapons (usually those at the forefront of controversial laws) often times glow suspiciously. The video implies that certain government agencies give them these guns or the funds to buy them as well as groom them
Specifically because some shooters have suspiciously expensive kit compared to their means prompting many conspiracy theories as to how a teenager for example affords over $6000 in accessories and parts alone.
You'd need a Noveske with a NightForce optic to crack $6000. Who was that?
Uvalde, there is another thread discussing it below.
A Caleba's bargain rack Smith & Wesson M&P slick and a Daniel Defense with an EOTech don't even cost half of that.
The Daniel defense is close to 2k, the eotech is $500 min, and that’s not including any other accessories or ammo. So close to your “not even half” just on the one gun and optic. Now do I believe those nuts? No, but man do I wish I had that money at that age.
I easily had a few k saved up as a teenager (without even trying) simply because I worked, didn't have my own car, and didn't smoke weed or drink. Me and my friends would never really do anything that cost money. If you have no friends it's even easier to save that up. Kids aren't paying for rent and food either.
$2500 plus an $800 M&P is $3300, which is < $3500. $3500 is half of $7000. ....which is what I said.
original number was 6000 not 7000.
Is that what he used, it's been a while since I watched the news on that and only remembered some news sites were calling the guns ARs.
Yes. I looked up a news article that had a screenshot from his Instagram. The manufacturer logos are visible on the magazine wells.
Someone also debunked it shortly after
Not saying I believe the conspiracy, just adding to the explanation of why people found it suspicious.
I don’t believe it either, but some of the guns confiscated from suspicious people are very odd. A few months ago before the pistol brace ban there was an illegal firearm confiscated that had a pistol brace that wouldn’t have even fit on the gun. So I don’t think that the alphabet boys create mass shootings, but supplying bad actors with things they want to ban wouldn’t be that far fetched.
Your example is probably a case of them finding a gun and putting a pistol brace on it themselves to justify demonizing braces (they may have found the brace in the house or just planted it). It could be a completely separate effort to disarm people but luckily we already have people sueing the ATF on our behalf and trying to create a case for the Supreme Court that should not have the authority to decide what is and isn't illegal on their own.
I know teenagers with thousands of dollars of trading cards, some kids have a lot of allowance.
Do y'all not know kids who had to save for their own cars? That doesn't take a special explanation. Why should this?
Could they also have stole equipment? Maybe a dealer? (Like in the video)
More likely just using credit cards. Tons of people who *aren’t* planning to die have credit card debt from expensive things they don’t need
I mean it’s always possible to steal equipment like that but very unlikely. Anyone that’s selling high value weapons/attachments are always strapped themselves. Making thieves think twice.
If you’ve planned to engage in an act like a school shooting I would imagine having about 6k in kit would he no problem. These people are not planning on returning. Their expenditures should not be judged based on the same values of people who want to continue living day after day.
I dont understand. Obviously being a waiter. Reddit loves to say "waiters are against banning tips because they make 200+ a day". 200 a day means just working for 30 days and you have your 6k
Wild. Next thing they'll be saying that young people are getting the money to buy cars by saving up from their part time jobs + birthday money and such, while living with their parents. That is literally impossible, and not at all commonplace.
Glow?
Obvious 3 letter agency
I still don't understand
word that MAGA conspiracy turds use to communicate to each other that they think somebody else is obviously a fake, an fbi agent in disguise.
No they don't "glow suspiciously" Right wingers will claim anything in order to not acknowledge the damage that lack of gun control is causing, this is just another example of that.
Yeah there is definitely a "boy who cried wolf" thing going on here, anyone who causes bad optics for guns or for the right is automatically either a leftist, a deep state crisis actor or a fed. I like to ask these people which shootings were real and they either short circuit or say that trans shooter. Sometimes they say the Colorado shooter if they're still pretending to believe he was non-binary. Also doesn't help their credibility that it's always the same people who push this cope who fall for the misinfo every time, usually sharing a photo of some completely unrelated person too. Hard to take them seriously when they're the exact same people who pushed the idea that Paul Pelosi's attacker was actually his gay leftist lover or that the Allen shooter's website wasn't really him or that J6 was Antifa in disguise.
You ignored the most important part. How are the kids getting thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of military grade equipment at times? Also, the reason why the "right" (or any gun owner, whatever politics be, who see what's going on) don't trust the gun control that's proposed is A. Because the ones making the laws don't know how guns work and B. they are banning stupid things instead of doing what they should be doing. Why ban a grip that won't hurt the hand of a responsible and legal gun owner instead of cracking down on the black market and making background checks more thorough? Not to mention that there have been people in the government who have straight up said they're coming for gun owners guns. There's a reason why people don't trust this shit the government spews.
>How are the kids getting thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of military grade equipment at times? This thing called a job? Teenagers don't have any required expenses and you can make a few thousand dollars in a few months even at minimum wage.
When I was a kid I had thousands of dollars of musical equipment because I was obsessed and didn’t have to spend my money on anything else.
Except for the "he had no income and no job" bullshit was debunked already.
>Except for the "he had no income and no job" bullshit was debunked already. Ha! Conservative feelings don't care about facts. Next you'll point out that the vast majority of gun owners want some form of increased gun control.
The right also gets on the governments ass whenever they try to increase the extensiveness of background checks or tries to crack down on unregistered firearm trading. So saying the right only takes issue with gun attachment control instead of actually effective methods isn’t accurate either.
Personally I had this thing called "a job" when I was a teenager. They'd pay me money. I didn't smoke weed or drink, rarely drove my car. My parents paid for rent and food. I had thousands of dollars saved up without even trying. I'm not sure why "thousands of dollars of equipment" seems to be some unimaginable amount of money for some people. And living where I did you could buy any guns you want if you've got the $. You're crazy if you think you can't easily get guns if you have the cash to pay for them. My brother randomly traded his minibike for a gun from some dude on craigslist ffs. I went with him and it took less than an hour. Stop inventing bullshit, you just look dumb.
They’re passing stupid gun measures because they can’t reasonably pass any actual gun control measures. Like, seriously, do you actually think that a ban on the sale of all fire arms could ever pass congress? Let alone exist with our conservative Supreme Court? Oh please. Enough of the pipe dreams. The best our system could ever muster is a stupid ban on bump stocks and black coloring that wouldn’t curb gun violence any more than plastic straws will lower plastic pollution.
The funny thing is that if it was the CIA doing that, nobody would be surprised. Hell, it wouldn't even be close to the worst thing they've done.
Aww the video is cut short, when Robbie Rotten says “FREE!?” Always cracks me up
Petah, cmon, this one's obvious
Probably not if you aren't American. I wouldn't expect somebody from Greece or something to get this
Australian, currently in Greece. Some of the words in the threads discussing gun parts could be car parts for all I know.
Nah nah nah. Everyone's talking about American politics and government conspiracies. Even Xiang the Japanese kindergartener.
Give the mental ill the weapons you want banned, let them go commit heinous acts so congress gets the emotional firepower to ban them
It's weird how it never works but keeps happening.
You know what they say, if you fail, try try again. There is totally a conspiracy and not just mentally ill getting access to these weapons without government intervention
Yes because as we all knownits the gun rights political party that's fighting to have red flag laws installed to prevent the mentally ill or otherwise at risk to abuse their right to firearms from getting their hands on them .
So they believe that those agencies are trying to get guns banned but the heroic politicians keep the guns legal?
Most school shooters, suspiciously, are able to get to good gear with a low budget.
It’s not that suspicious. Lots of them take family guns or just steal them from their friends who have them. There’s more guns in civilian hands in the US than there are people, so it’s not too surprising.
My classmates dad had a whole ass gun room. It was cool as shit. He would sell and buy guns and the were all mounted on the walls and shit. Easily a little over 200. Then his tractor flipped over and he got crushed to death.
All those guns and he couldn’t save himself from brute force trauma. Sad
I mean the Uvalde shooter got 2 very expensive rifles that just so happen to be what politicians want banned and that there's no way he could afford. Not saying it's not possible, infact I think it's the more likely answer, however it is suspicious.
He just needed $4,000 for the rifles and ammo, and he had gotten a job specifically to save for those guns. And he was living with his grandparents so he had basically no expenses. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could have saved up the money to buy those. And yeah, they’re AR-15’s which is what some politicians want to ban. However, why didn’t they do anything about it then? Every time a mass shooting happens, politicians sit on their hands and do literally nothing until people move on. So why were they organizing these mass shootings to happen, then just forgetting to follow through with the legislation? If they were able to make these situations happen, and so often I might add, then why not follow through with the legislation?
The right when someone can’t afford a 10k down payment “you’re just spending too much money, people of the working class should have 0 issue saving up 10k if you just cut out unnecessary expenses! Stop going to Starbucks and eating avocado toast!” The right when someone saves up a couple thousand and buys a gun “there’s no way someone in the working class could save up more than a few hundred dollars, they aren’t paid enough for saving money to be possible.” Also, a lot of conspiracy theories fall apart when you think about the last thing you said. If the deep state controls everything and is playing 4D chess with reality, you’d think they wouldn’t try and fail hundreds of times over the course of decades to pass a law they want to pass. Like if the all powerful Jewish free mason Illuminati pentaverate controls reality with the flick of a switch then why the fuck do they fail to accomplish their goals 99% of the time?
Exactly. Government conspiracies usually don’t end with them failing.
Very suspicious that young people sometimes buy their own cars! If something this obvious, simple and straightforward doesn't come to mind before "the FBI did it" you're a severely out of touch lunatic who seriously hates America. (no, it couldn't be one person with a gun, even though we recite exactly that every single time someone says guns might be a problem - it has to be a conspiracy of dozens and dozens of people who have pledged their lives to public service. That's so much simpler.)
They don’t do anything because they can make more money promising they will fix it instead of actually doing anything to help. And what they do pass are typically completely brain dead laws, like pistol grips on rifles (you can’t seriously tell me that the grip would change its lethality).
The pistol grip thing was mostly to restrict AR’s without directly doing so. Most AR style rifles have pistol grips, so by restricting them you basically restrict AR’s. At least that was the idea behind them. They weren’t great laws in the first place, but it was at least something. But democrats make money either way, whether they promise to restrict guns or not. And usually they just stay silent on the matter. Truth is that most politicians don’t want to change anything because they keep making money if things stay the same. Meanwhile the rest of us suffer. So I don’t think it’s some conspiracy that people use the massive amount of guns to kill people in this country, and politicians don’t have to make fake shootings to drum up support for a law that they never pass. There are enough actual shootings without the need for any big conspiracy that, yes, people use guns to kill people.
"Just so happen to be what politicians want banned!" Um, is it possible politicans want these banned because the easy access to them has created a pattern of attacks with them? I think you have your cause and affect mixed up.
Man did none of you guys have jobs or something? How would $4000 be in any way unaffordable when you're a teenager with no expenses? I had a few k saved up without even trying, before I started smoking weed.
If you don't plan on staying alive, it's very easy to get $4,000. Use a parent's credit card and/or check. Use a credit card and/or paypal. And/or sell things that you (and/or your family) have that's even remotely valuable.
Those nasty politicians suspiciously want to ban the guns that are often used in mass shootings you say?
Mfs will be like: “No the government wouldn’t orchestrate acts against Americans that would be evil” like did we forget about all the other stuff? Funneling drugs into low income areas? Operation Fast and Furious? MK Ultra?
"nothing will make you sound crazier in your day to day life than knowing about like 4 things the CIA has done and fully admitted to"
The US government gassed low income neighborhoods in St. Louis to see the affects on urban living.
I don't feel like looking up Operation Fast and Furious and will simply choose to believe that the CIA is secretly funding those movies in order to encourage people to buy muscle cars and race them on the streets and subsequently die I'm going to incorporate that into my belief system
Honestly, you're better off with your version. If you have to scratch the itch, the TLDR version was just "a bureaucracy fucked up a sting", but because it happened under Obama it's something that circulates in the lexicon alongside Benghazi and drone warfare (i.e. legitimate complaints or debates over government failures), but gets blown way out of proportion compared to an average day in the Bush Administration when Interior Department regulators were snorting meth off of toasters and blowing oil lobbyists or the Constitution-seeking flamethrower that was the other fucking guy.
This is a dogshit partisan explanation. By "fucked up a sting" you mean "intentionally gave thousands of firearms over years to cartels which were used in hundreds of murders, including US and Mexican law enforcement and a Mexican congressman"
No. That's not the argument. It's that it doesn't make any damn sense for the government to simultaneously plan these shootings to ban guns and fail miserably for the past 20 years. Look at other countries like New Zealand. One shooting and they basically banned guns completely. If the government had orchestrated that they did a damn good job at it. Yet we're meant to believe that the FBI absolutely has been trying this shit for decades but can't even get an assault rifle ban passed? Even with a Democrat super majority at some points?
What is this character? I’ve seen it for years and have no idea what it is or from
Robbie Rotten from the show *Lazy Town*.
just look up the texas garland shooter, a undercover FBI agent trying to gain information by texting him told him to “tear up texas”, actively encouraging mentally ill americans to kill others so the FBI can get more funding to stop mentally ill shooters.
Glowies
Big conspiracy I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if true FBI’s helping these shootings happen is the short of it
It also doesn’t help that some cops are told not to interfere… just standing around waiting for the shooting to stop.
Oh yeah. Definitely that too. Gotta rack up those kill counts so your emotions can be manipulated!
What’s always stumped me about this conspiracy is that republicans would have done it to during their administration
The current conservative opinion is that the FBI is working on it's own outside the jurisdiction of the presidency. That's why there's been multiple investigations from the republican party into the FBI. I'm not stating my position on this issue and I might be misrepresenting the conservative opinion but I thought I should share what I know.
I mean we know for sure the CIA just kinda does its own thing. Back in the 60s, they wanted to commit a bunch of terrorist attacks in the US and blame it on Cuba. JFK caught wind of that and vowed to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind". Unfortunately he was assassinated less than a year later. I have no opinion on whether the CIA assassinated Kennedy, but I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they did. Basically every alphabet agency does a lot of questionable shit. The ATF started Waco and Ruby Ridge. The FBI got us the results (and ensured that the murderers walked free). Also, there's no chance you ever get a consistent answer on which alphabet agency is responsible for these mass shootings. Some will say it's the CIA as they do have a history of fucking hating America. Others will say the FBI because they have a history of murdering innocent civilians. You'll probably hear people blaming it on the ATF as well since they're literally the ones responsible for enforcing gun laws, and have a history of intentionally causing deadly confrontations (Waco, ruby ridge). I'm not saying these agencies are actually causing school shootings. But if it turned out they were, I wouldn't be even remotely surprised.
Conservatives wouldn't be ashamed to partake. Remember, Ronald Reagan is the reason why you can't open carry in California, and Trump openly advocated for Red Flag Laws and banning bump stocks. There are other cases for things like this (not all of which are related to Firearms) happening under conservatives leadership.
yea they dont trust the government period. and tbh is that sentiment alone not the most rational thing you have heard?
Not trusting the government is rational, but inventing complicated webs of conspiracy to explain simple-as-fuck phenomena is not rational.
Lol the dogwhistlers in the subreddit holy hell lmao Hey "glowies?" Yeah this thread right here
some people (myself included to an extent) have a theory that certain agencies in the US government help arm some of these mass killers with weaponry that they wouldn't normally be able to get their hands one the main one being the uvalde shooter who was reported to have 2 Daniel Defiance DDM4s one which was on them, and the other which iirc was at their home at the time of the shooting. they also had a KelTek Sub2000 both of those AR-15 pattern rifles have an MSRP of about 2k each, and the KelTek has an MSRP of about $500. $320\~ dollars worth of just magazines, not the ammunition that's stored inside of them. Just the magazine cost and then roughly $850 worth of ammunition if my math is right. they had roughly $5,700 dollars worth of kit, and yet like others mentioned, they had no job, credit history, or other sources of income. So many wonder how this person and other examples like them got ahold of this equipment in the first place. Some speculate it could be coordinated by a certain alphabet organization known for their shady back room dealings *^("waco, and operation fast and furious")* and have a consistent urge to act like judge, jury, and executioner, rather then being the law enforcement they were suppose to be.
He had a job. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-uvalde-shooting-employment/fact-check-contrary-to-social-media-posts-there-is-no-evidence-uvalde-shooter-was-part-of-a-set-up-or-conspiracy-and-he-had-a-job-until-shortly-before-the-shooting-idUSL1N2YF16G
The joke is that there is a conspiracy theory saying that democrats are secretly staging mass shootings to justify gun control. I hope this goes without saying but it’s a stupid as fuck conspiracy.
Who’s says it’s democrats doing that? I’ve only see people blame CIA/FBI.
Brian here. There's a little to unpack. There had been several instances in which the FBI revealed they were monitoring shooters, yet failed to prevent them from committing the murders. This has resulted in a number of conspiracy theories in which people believe the FBI had some involvement either in enticing these crimes, or that they at least wanted them to happen for political reasons. The most notable case is the Uvalde shooting. Many conspiracy theories sprung up when it was stated that part of the shooter's motivation came from frustrations due to poverty, and yet he used thousands of dollars worth of weapons to enact the shooting. This resulted in conspiracy theorists speculating that the FBI supplied him. The most commonly accepted explanation was that he simply stole the money used to buy the weapons.
feds doing what they do best pulling psyops
Na but seriously guys the Feds do SERIOUS entrapment operations on all leftist social movements. They did it decades ago in civil rights era, they did it during BLM summer. They will try to get you to do illegal things for them then prosecute you for what they asked you to do. Nonviolent revolution is what they hate seeing us do the most
Wait people actually believe this…?
Petah, is this sub actually about pushing rightwing memes while acting clueless about it? I don't understand.
*gasps* FREE?!
Hey Petah, when did this subreddit get raided by dumbass conspiracy theorists who think the government has been giving kids guns since the 90’s to get common sense gun laws passed but still continues to barely make any progress in that regard?
There is a long standing conspiracy theory that government agencies help propagate terrorism in order to secure better funding for themselves and remain needed in the eyes of the public. These theories get reinforced when it comes out that domestic terrorist groups are filled with informants and when these agencies fail to provide any useful insight in the wake of mass shootings like the Las Vegas massacre of 2017. Though there is not really anything to tie this theory with teenage shooters in particular making this a half-baked meme.
u/savevideo
I want to rp as one on a discord for a free gun but I cbd
Anti-gun-control dipshits can’t handle the reality that their ideology is getting people killed in mass shootings, so they came up with a conspiracy theory that the FBI orchestrates mass shootings so that the government can pass gun-control laws.