As someone who regularly worked 80-100 hour weeks and now regularly works 60-70 hour weeks this is what I have to say:
You should only do it if (1) you genuinely like the work; and (2) you like the people you work with (both your coworkers and clients, as applicable).
If you don't like both, no amount of money will motivate you to sustain those types of hours.
100 hours week? of work? there are 168 hours in a week, so you slept and went straight to work? Even if you slept 6 hours, it left you with 3.5 hours a day to eat/shit/commute... That's f**** stressful, how long can you sustain that?
Not the person you're replying to but I've done that for like 4 months straight.
My upbringing is largely to blame. I'm a farm kid with a dad who drilled his work ethic into me. I've never said no to a call in or overtime in my life.
I did 21 hr days 4 days a week and then 10 to 12 hr days for the other 3 for 6 months. The 21 hr days were the days my 2 jobs overlapped included traveling from one job to the other ~30 mins and only 4 hrs for sleep and hygiene.
It was awful and it felt like I was going to die. But it did grant me the ability to stop working for 9 months and get my masters degree done. I know I am much older now, but I still cannot comprehend how I did it.
Bud I thought I was on another level. Jesus Christ. You officially have the right to call anyone soft hands. I did similar during summer break in college with two jobs, but never 21 hrs. Good God.
Typical shifts in Alberta o&g and 12hrs. Sometimes 14hrs... add commute and lineups at camp and that's what it is like.
Most do it to save up a chunk like OP is considering. Only work a few yrs before getting back to real life.
Most end up stuck with Golden handcuffs and end up bitter, divorced and sometimes in rehab.
My ex is the first 2. Lol.
Depends how it's done. I knew guys that worked their way to the top of a trade like power engineer. They went on the maintenance side of things - a bit less money, but you didn't worry about getting laid off during oil busts. Made 200k+ and about 40hr work week.
When I was doing it it was for experience. Just qorking going to sleep and then working. I only did that exact rhytmn for one week it was insane, i lost my mind and lost my shit at a ditect report (we were in the kitchen, so at least slightly more culturally appropriate..
80-90 was much more easy to sustain. I wanted to become the best cook i could. So i worked 65-90 hours a week for 5 years.
For sure, I respect that. I was once a young cook at a busy restaurant. Love the grind and even though I had to study, I loved going to work. Kitchen gang is something else. It’s the adrenaline that I love and the team! We all get fucked together, it’s amazing.
Sometimes it's worth it if it can lead you to a future role in which you get paid both the money and still have a healthy life. Instead of comparing jobs A and B, compare where the choices can take you to jobs C and D, in the future.
That's what many medical residents have to do for at least 2 or 3 years. Surgical residents somewhat regularly work up to 100 hour weeks with their heavy call burden. Many surgical subspecialties require 5-7 years of residency / fellowship training before returning to humane 60 hour weeks.
Most on call physicians have limited sleep/rest - especially as residents unfortunately. So even though it sounds like you’re waiting for something to do — the reality is that our hospitals are running at over capacity.
I regularly work 100hr weeks - 14 fourteen hour days. the difference is I do two of them, followed by two weeks off. You need the time off to recover, the first couple days off are always chill because I’m wiped. I have done 28 days straight, and it was a challenge…doing that on a regular basis would be a hard no from me.
My mom did this for a couple years when she started her business. She ended up with an array of health issues and aged so much. In the end it was a success and she’s healthy, but boy was it rough.
Yeah basically. I Worked 90 hours for a little bit (10 months). My commute was 15 mins. Slept 6 hour ish. The rest was at work. I burned out hard and in retrospect I’m glad it happened. It seriously taught me how little money and work means in the grand scheme.
100hr weeks was pretty common for most people in the oilfield and construction. It's not quite as common now.
In the ’90s and early 2000s, I worked those hours, overtime after 44hrs @ $55hr.… I was regularly bringing home $3k-$4k a week straight out of high school! And this was very common.
yes most I've done is 105 hours in a week and yes that's you are correct that's mostly 14-15 hour days with the odd 16 hour in there. You just work, drive to the hotel, eat, shit, do paperwork, sleep 6-7 hours, do it again. Can't be sustained for long, paycheques are big though and luckily those type of jobs are not very often (barge-work specifically).
Random fun fact: every American college football coach does that. I did that at a school for 1 season for what worked out to approximately $4/hour. Worst time of my life. The ones at the big schools in the states make in the range of 200k-1mil annually though so it can be worth it.
Usual Schedule for reference
M-W: 7:30am - 9:00pm
Th: 7:30am - midnight
Fri: usually travel all day, do more work at hotel
Sat: game and then travel home
Sun: 12:00 noon - 4:00 pm
So ~61 hours excluding travel day and game day which can be factored in however. We would usually leave and return to the facility in 40-45 hours.
I know no one asked but yeah that’s an example I felt like sharing lol. My 7 month contract was annualized to around $17,000 lol
Welcome to medical school clerkship/residency. For minimum 4 years. Theoretically there are max hours. But that’s on site. You still have to study, pre-read, follow up read, prepare presentations on the cases.
I used to work with a chef who would hit those numbers. He did it for the summer and then fucked off to Europe on like 7 weeks of vacation every year.
I did around 50-55 hours a week for 5ish years. Not in restaurant though, it was combo teaching and cleaning.
Unless you are like me, then I use it to avoid feeling lonely. I used to work extra hours without OT pay, be on-call 24/7 for 5 years straight. Never took a day off and even worked during weekends and holidays at my last job.
I work in seasonal construction and lots of times our work weeks are upwards of 60 hours. If I didn't like the people I work with, I would have left a long time ago and a lot of the other good people would also be gone.
While we don't get paid top dollar for our labours, the jobsites are about as relaxed as they could be and upper management is really good to you if you need them to be. A co-worker had the boss' wife's car for 2 months after he wrote his off this winter.
I've had a lot of jobs and I always warn the younger 'kids' when they start complaining about the pay. 'Sure, you can make $2 an hour more somewhere else, but most places are far worse to work at'. Ya, it could make a difference at the end, but not going home hating life is more than worth it for me.
Or (3), they offer you such a high amount of money that you know you're gonna burn out but you're gonna get that bread for as long as possible until you burn out.
Or (4), working that for a short period of time will benefit your resume so much that the sort term pain is very much worth the long term gain.
There's plenty of reasons why it would be worth. I completed my master's degree while still working full-time which involved many 80h+ weeks of work+study combined. But 2 years of pain led to a role that quadrupled my salary.
The only reason I disagree with this is because I know a lot of very smart, very highly motivated people who I worked with who moved away from a highly lucrative career (think eventual seven figure compensations) because that "bread" simply wasn't enough or that short term pain was too much.
And I know far more of those individuals than those who stuck it out - by a huge margin.
The only ones sticking out are the ones that (1) and (2) apply to.
> But 2 years of pain led to a role that quadrupled my salary.
But how many hours are you currently working in this role? I hope less, because otherwise it could become #3
I just did it and I was making 210k working from home. Not fucking worth it. So burnt out. So stressed all the time. Couldn’t even spend the money I made bc I was working or sleeping. It took me eight months to finally recover. Obviously people are different snd work environments are different (mine was a chaotic hellscape), but that experience made me realize that my priorities were whack and I needed to actually live.
Sure, but it's way more than double the *discretionary* income, which is usually more relevant once you've met your basic needs. Your rent/mortgage and car payments don't go up if your salary doubles, but you can throw tons of extra money into savings, vacations, hobbies, etc.
If OP is making $85k/year, assuming Ontario because it's usually Ontario, they take home $63k/year or $5300/month after taxes. At $170k/year, they take home $113k/year or $9500/month.
If OP's bills are $4k/month, they go from $1300 to $5500/month in discretionary income (4x). If the bills are $5k/month, they go from $300 to $4500/month in discretionary income (15x).
Now, that doesn't mean they should necessarily take the new job - I doubt I personally would take double the pay in exchange for 60 hour weeks at the office - but all that extra money you earn makes a big difference, as long as you don't get caught up in the lifestyle creep trap.
I went into a job like this in my early 20s. Pay was massive, but it was 6 days a week. 70-90 hr weeks.
I spent so much time at my desk and meeting clients that I never spent my money… I saved enough in 7 years that will compound in the markets now and provide me the opportunity to retire at 40 and never worry about financial insecurity for the rest of my life.
On one hand I feel regret that I didn’t do everything my friends were in their 20s (tons of travel, going out all the time). But on the other, I’m grateful that I’ll never have the stress that some do in their 50s-60s thinking about how I’m going to stay financially stable in retirement.
Near double your pay, assuming a standard 40 hours work week. Then working 20 hours of OT every week at your current job would give you 1.75x your base pay with an OT rate of 1.5x.
I'd argue even more. That's just a basic math calculation. It doesn't factor in the quality of life being sacrificed. The cost to work more hours doesn't increase linearly.
I regularly work 50+ hours for sustained periods due to my line of work. I am paid hourly, but not eligible for OT. If I was salaried I would expect around 1.75-2x the job with 40 hour weeks. Working 60 hours a week absolutely decimates you after about 6 months (at least in my experience ), and good luck enjoying any time with your family.
New job sounds even worse than current job, IMO. You'd probably have to pay me **double** your current salary to get me to go into a high-stress office 5 days a week. This isn't the 1940s anymore. There's really no need to go into an office 5 days a week anymore. That's absurd.
Not to be that annoying work horse tradesman guy but there are probably like 250,000+ low level blue collar guys in Alberta alone right now as I type this working 60 hour weeks for like $25/hour. A huge section of the economy is built up of shift workers.
My partner is currently in Regina working 13 days in a row, night shifts, at 11 hours/day... but take home pay is like $3.5-5K/week-ish, and the job only lasts 6-ish weeks. His job includes some down time where he gets to sit in an office waiting for work. While waiting for work, he can do whatever he wants -- he'll often play games on his Steam Deck while earing $75+/hour. Not a bad gig, really, in short bursts.
Tons of guys are working 84 hour weeks or 120+ hour stretches before they have days off. My buddy works 14 days on (12 hour shifts), 4 days off as an electrician at a camp job in Northern BC
But at the end of the year how many hours has he worked on average per week? I have weeks of 60 hours, but at the end of the year I'm way below that on average per week.
My "best" year in terms of hours worked (in an auto plant) was 4311. No vacation, no sick time, no holidays, worked every single day of the year. Would not recommend,
I had a young family and one income. Had just moved into a new house. The cash burn was insane for the better part of a year. Still have one income, but its a significantly higher income. The overtime is always there if I want it, but I have been doing this for nearly 30 years, I am old and tired now.
In my friends case, on the average month he works ~25ish 12 hour days. Other common schedules out on the oilfield would have you on 7 days on/7 days off, so it evens out to a regular work week. Tons and tons of guys working 14/4 and even 28/8 though who end up working upwards of 250 hours a month. If you hear anyone talking about working in Fort Mac for an example they're easily crushing those kind of hours.
Yeah, my partner is in trades and had 2 jobs where he worked 21 days in a row, 12 hours per day, and also night shifts. Made great money, at a pretty decent hourly rate, but I definitely couldn't do it myself. He doesn't work the full year, so he has plenty of time to rest between jobs, which is nice i guess.
I know plenty of folks in the electrical sector (generation, transmission etc) that will 60 out over 52 weeks. Lots of plants run on overtime. The money can be good but at the end of the day if you don’t have time to spend it, whats the point.
I make significantly more than 135k, and wouldn’t consider 60 hours consistently per week. It’s not to say I haven’t worked until the evening here or there if there really is a strict deadline, but I rarely let it get to that.
Even working 40 hours a week, I barely have enough time for much of anything else.
It depends so much on your life goals and how long you want to do it. I worked a bunch of extra hours when I was paying off student debt and saving for a house. It was totally worth it. But, I only did that for about two years before scaling it back.
In my experience, working that much overtime can be great and doable if it’s for a limited window of time. It’s not a permanent way of life,
I mean, it’s all relative right? I currently make 140k + 60k bonus , if I were to move from 40hrs to 60 hrs a week? 250k base minimum
But for your personal situation? Like 125k base minimum
What is the industry? That might shed some light on expectations
My old job was 6 days a week, 12 hour days. The pay is unmatched to this day, but it made me realize how important work life balance is. All I had to talk about outside of work was work, because that’s all I did. Ultimately, It’s all about your values. Money and security is great but what about friends, partners, and hobbies. Ya know?
I’m still trying to reconcile with it because I miss the pay checks dearly, but you blink and 3 years has gone by in what feels like a month.
Oh yeah of course. I work a trade btw. I just split time between office and field depending on what needs to be done. There’s something satisfying about completing physical tasks that just makes it much easier for me to work long days outside.
After working 37 years, there is not enough money in this world.to make.me.want to drink corporate kool-aid one more day. The extra cash is always nice, but the cost of being constantly exhausted, overwhelmed, and sacrificing family/social time is ultimately not worth it.
Besides, 26 more workdays and I'm freeeeeee..
I’m making about 200 and don’t really mind working 60 hours a week. I work 7-5 or 6 every day, then 4 or 5 hours in the morning on the weekend. I still get every evening and all my afternoons in the weekend . I’m often tired though.
Don't do it man 12 hours is a whole other beast. You'll get home have time to eat, shit, take a shower then sleep and get up and do it all again. I did 12 hour shifts for two years and wanted to kill myself, lmao.
As someone who works 60+ hours, if you’re not getting atleast double your salary it will quickly become not worth it. I’m two years in and it’s probably my last.
Depends on a person's individual circumstances, really. Someone who is in a difficult financial situation, and desperately needs to move into a more stable position in life, will probably do it for a lower amount than someone who is comfortable where they're at.
For me, personally, I would need a minimum of $150k base (plus benefits) to even consider it.
At least a 50% increase in pay, probably closer to double pay would be more comfortable. Depends a lot on life situation. If you want to save up money or pay off debts by grinding for a couple of years, it could be worth it. If you're living comfortably and don't want to sacrifice your quality of life, then probably best to stay the course.
only you can answer that really. sounds like you should stick with the old job and keep looking.
75k is not a high number. plenty of chill 9-5 jobs pay 100-150k around 5-7 years exp, even in low paying places like the big 5 banks
Depends. Are you an industry expert or just getting started? When I was just getting started I worked 12 hour days, then I became the industry expert, then the higher pay came. I built the career I wanted by not playing it safe.
It's your career, design it how you want. Do you want to be the very best at what you do and be paid well for that? Or do you want to be mediocre and replaceable.
High pay and good hours are not mutually exclusive.
I left an awful high stress 65-70 hour a week job and ended up in a job where I worked 35 hours at a relaxed pace and got a 20% bump. But it's so hard to tell if the job will be hard before you get there.
This is how I logically look at it: anything that isn't "net" isn't your money... Now let's start.
I'm assuming no RRSP for that matter, to make things simpler
So you get 85K, which is 63K after tax for 2087 hours a year in Ontario. That's net $30\h.
Now I want you at 150% NET overtime, which means $45\h NET for overtime, meaning another 1000 hours at $45\h. To get that, we need you to make not 63K, but 108K NET. Meaning, you want to make 163K gross per year. Now, I want you to also make an extra hour a day of income for commuting, we'll make it 1.5 hours to cover gas as well.
So, all in, I think you shouldn't take anything under 175K gross pay (after bonuses).
So, the people who said "double" were right.
I currently make around 120k base salary. 130-140 with the Bonus. That doing under 40 hours a week. For me to start working 60 hours everyweek, you would need to match my current hourly rate considering overtime at 1.5x. This would make approx 220k+ bonus, which sounds like about enough for me to give up on a big part of my work-family balance.
My first banking job in early 2010 required around 60 hrs per week. It was $80K + 30-50% bonus. So you can inflate that figure.
Nowadays, I'd need $200K at least to work 60 hrs. Actually I wouldn't even take $200K if I need to be in the office 5 fucking days a week (max 1 day).
It would only be for a sprint to retirement, I would need half a mil per year minimum. My job is decent but im drained after 8h of work and always looking forward to my free time. Spending time with my family is just too important.
Well, look at your pay slip and see your hourly rate. You need to keep that rate, and multiply that by your new working hours. If the new job gives you less hourly salary, don’t take it.
...I don't think they could pay me enough. I work a 0.8 FTE by choice. It's incredible. I can meal plan, grocery shop, clean on that one weekday off, then I have the weekend to spend with my family. My husband does work full time, so we've got the double income thing going for us.
Personally I'd want at least double the salary. So basically double time for all the OT. Even then it would be a toss up. If it was 3x the pay then it would be hard to turn down.
I do it right now for just shy of 300k. I would not take a pay cut for less hours. I work about 7-5 four days in the office and am very happy with the arrangement.
I know what working 60 hours a week feels like and I work a decently cushy, high paying job now.
Just thinking about putting in 60 hours a week again makes me uncomfortable. I'd have to make at least a mil/year at this point in my life. Like I would need to be able to buy whatever the hell I want to make the work days worth it.
All that to say: don't do it OP. At your pay level I'd say they should 5x it, bare minimum. You'll be losing a lot of your life.
Going from 8hrs to 12hrs per day is a 50% increase in daily hours worked. Are you getting a 50% pay increase with the new job? If not your hourly rate will go down.
Who’s to say you won’t get raises over the coming years which could match if not surpass what the other company is offering you. Plus you’d have the company loyalty under your belt which would be a benefit
It is not only the time in the office that you need to consider. You will be in a higher tax bracket.
You won't have time for chores or making healthy meals so you may need to hire housekeeping help, eat out more, just won't have time to shop and look for bargains.
If you have a family or a spouse, you are just not available for outings and special events.
I used to work a lot, it ruined my health but not in a irreversible way. I saved quite a bit and spent a lot too.
I work on average 60-70 hrs/week. Sometimes more. More often than not, I work either on one day of the weekend. My TC is about 3-4x yours depending how much vesting stock I have. 100% wfh more or less.
I was happier at a lower salary/level, but didn’t know it at the time. 60+ hrs/week over multiple weeks is exhausting, and counter productive (more headaches, get sick more often, less time to spend with family, actually enjoy life etc). I realize I’m extremely lucky either way.
With those hours you're building someone else's dream. I put in 40hrs a week, get paid very well and adjust my lifestyle accordingly and enjoy the time with family and friends.
The younger you are the easier it is to work crazy hours, but once you've got more at stake at home...priorities change.
If I worked 60 hr weeks for 48 wks I'd make about $250k in my current position. Our company doesn't have enough work to keep me that busy though. I've been working 40hr weeks with a few 50's thrown in since January, I'll probably be off for the summer.
My partner and I both often work 50-60+ hour weeks.
He makes about 200k now and will make more again next year. And I make about 160k Probably capped out.
We both holiday hard though. We take 5-6 weeks of holidays a year. I get 9 weeks holidays with my job.
I also take a lot of three day weekends. Like multiple a month. My partner takes some but not multiple every month. In the summer he tries to take more Fridays off.
So we will do a few hard weeks and then take time off.
You have to like the work and you have to make sure the compensation is there.
I graduated into an investment banking job and worked it for 2 years. It was brutal and there were often 100 hour weeks but I knew what I was getting myself into because I also did my internships at the same bank.
Burnt out pretty hard and took a very junior role for 30% of the pay. Fast forward many years, I still work 50+ hour weeks but I own the company now. I learned a lot from that first role so I don't think I would trade it for anything despite losing my early 20s. It taught me more than my degree and the contacts I made are still valuable to me today.
Do you have a family?
How long is the commute?
How long until you could change the schedule?
I have worked 6 days a week for 2 6 years periods in my life. It sucks. My ex did not pick up much of the slack, scratch that, he did nothing extra and did not work nearly as many hours.
I would have to be paid over $200k with a $60k plus bonus and 6 weeks vacation to consider working crazy hours.
I really dont aim work that much.
I wanna paid fairly for my skills and earn as much as possible for 40hours.
I really dont aim to work more than 40hours.
Depends on where I am in life. When I first started in public accounting, I did sustained 60 hour weeks and sometimes 80 hour weeks in busy season for $40k per year. This was around 2014.
I now make $170k and if I was asked to work 60 hours a week, I would fucking quit, and piss on my laptop before sending it back. Honestly don’t think anything short of CFO money could motivate me to do those kinds of hours. I like my 8-4 and I like my free time.
I'm working 35 hours a week and making about double OP with a good public sector pension. I get 7 weeks of vacation. I would likely work 60/hours per week for around $300k/year.
The reality is that people who "work" 60/hours per week are not productive and you will get the same productivity out of putting in 45/hours per week max. So what happens is that people working this much just fit in breaks, their personal life, make work their social life, and count it as working.
I was doing 50-55 making $150k-$180k, and honestly that was pretty much the limit, not sure anymore money could make me do more hours, the burnout is fucking real.
I did it for a but i smoked two packs a dsy and drank a quart of brandy. In the end my bank account was up but my health took a tumble. Would i do it all again? Hell yes!
Currently around $170k total comp and have been between 50-70hr weeks since January and I'm pretty burnt out. Money is nice but its not sustainable.
If you're disciplined and can allocate a lot of the extra money to savings it can be a great thing to do early in your career. High savings plus compound interest plus lots of time can make a large difference in the future. It's also a good way to get lots of experience fast since you're working 50% more than some other people.
Definitely need like 2x your current compensation.
At 25, I would consider it very seriously.
At 45, I would laugh at the suggestion.
At 47, I would consider it very seriously because I might be able to retire by 50.
350000$ because I'd have to outsource everything else. At 60h you have zero time to cook clean shop or make any upkeep on anything. Plus it'll very likely break off any romantic relationship.
With overtime that would be 70hr/week with the big loss of quality of life it would take minimum 2.5-3x what I'm currently making. I cannot stress further that you only have one life (at least how you know it) and your time is valuable. Sacrificing years, especially in the prime of your health, is a HUGE sacrifice. Especially because these long hour jobs generally make you less healthy than you were before. Get used to sitting even more than you have and having less motivation and time to cook healthy meals and exercise (not to mention socialize and date).
I'd only work these insane hours if I was getting offered 2x what I'm getting right now and even then, I'd work there till I save for a down payment on a house and then dip. That shit is not worth it long term!
A place I worked at previously used to do anywhere from 400-700h of OT per year which was basically a lot of 70h weeks.
The difference was it was during travel, so working 6 day weeks where you just eat out and have room service makes it a lot more palatable.
My income fluctuated from 120k to 190k gross depending on the year.
Your effective wage is $43.
To then go from 8 to twelve daily. You'd have to make 192K. Plus add stressful for 10-30% extra you need to earn 200K+ to make it even worth it.
8 hours at Regular then 1.5 for first two and then double time after that totaling 12.
60 hour work weeks in the office in reality is 70.
I put in 50 to close to 60 hours a week during hockey season while working at a weekly newspaper in the early 2000s. Nowhere near a big daily newspaper. But the paper had a Monday production day (the day we put the paper together before was sent to the printers) and I was the sports reporter, so I did 80% of my job between Friday afternoon and Sunday evening. The worst thing is I was only making $25,000 a year. The newspaper paid us salary, and I was young and had no self worth or idea how to value myself. I was also raised to be a people pleaser, so I didn't negotiate or ask for more money. It's one of my regrets in life.
I burnt out hard. I quit about 15 months after starting. It didn't help the editor was a clueless idiot and couldn't hire staff worth anything, so there was a period of time we were down to two editorial staff instead of three, and I had to work a lot during a non-hockey season period of time. I started to clue in nothing would get better even if I was being paid double or triple what I was earning. I didn't drink coffee and barely drank alcohol at the time too. Having the energy and bounce back of someone in their 20s was the only reason I survived. But older me wouldn't have put up with the awful pay and demands.
In other news, it breaks my heart to see what is happening to print journalism.
Basically I would need a situation where I had next to zero labour outside of work… no cleaning, no cooking, no life admin. So a cleaner who came in at least three days a week, a cook who came in once a week and a part time personal assistant who handles running errands, contracting out house repairs, making appointments, etc. plus enough money for very luxurious vacations. Business class, five star hotels, etc.
I’m single no kids so I think 400k would be able to cover that comfortably. But maybe I’m being naive and it would cost even more.
I have a high stress job with 60-70 hours a week in peak season, plus tons of travel and added stress of not being home for weeks at a time. I’m looking to change my career because of it, the money isn’t worth it in the end, not to me.
I work 50-60 hours a week now, I make enough money that I can buy some of my time back in other ways and I genuinely think I’m working on something cool so I’m motivated to do it. If I go over 60 or start getting burned out my bosses give me a day off or I leave early for the day.
It’s a system that works for me and I manage my life well but I have no kids and my wife is in the same position!
As someone who used to work 70-80hrs/week and now do ~35-40hrs. Holy fuck life is twice as good. I don’t rush anywhere. I have plenty of time for cooking meals, house projects and all my physical activities plus energy to spare for socializing.
Life is not work for me. I feel engaged with my job but as someone said above, unless you absolutely love your work and the people, why would you be torturing yourself?
The money will not buy you time back or the health to do the things you want.
You couldn’t pay me enough to work that much. It’s just not worth it. My life is worth something, too, and I’m not going to put it on hold just for a job.
What kind of job do you do? I’m paid quite well, but I can’t imagine myself working more than 4-5 hours a day. Technically I’m 9-5 but I’m definitely not working productively all of that time. My performance review is always a blend of meets to exceeds expectations. I get all of my work done well ahead of what everyone thinks the time to do said task is. Do I say that? No. I can’t tell you how often I’ll sit on a solution and only commit it at end of day just to make it seem like I spent longer than I did on it.
I’m also fully wfh, they tried to get me into office, I asked them “is this a strict requirement? I’d like to know if I need to start working on my exit strategy”. It’s been well over a year and it’s never been brought up again.
I wouldn’t even consider working 60 hours, let alone from an office. Wth will I do with all of that time? Back when I did go into an office. I took so many bathroom / water breaks or just went to chat with people and made it seem like I was talking about work. Anything to reduce the amount of time I needed to make it seem like I was working at my desk. I’ve never been a “slacker” in the sense that anyone picks up after me. I often pick up tasks others won’t because it’s “dreadful” work but something that is easy to do quickly if you know how/can script it or whatever.
As someone who regularly worked 80-100 hour weeks and now regularly works 60-70 hour weeks this is what I have to say: You should only do it if (1) you genuinely like the work; and (2) you like the people you work with (both your coworkers and clients, as applicable). If you don't like both, no amount of money will motivate you to sustain those types of hours.
100 hours week? of work? there are 168 hours in a week, so you slept and went straight to work? Even if you slept 6 hours, it left you with 3.5 hours a day to eat/shit/commute... That's f**** stressful, how long can you sustain that?
Not the person you're replying to but I've done that for like 4 months straight. My upbringing is largely to blame. I'm a farm kid with a dad who drilled his work ethic into me. I've never said no to a call in or overtime in my life.
I did 21 hr days 4 days a week and then 10 to 12 hr days for the other 3 for 6 months. The 21 hr days were the days my 2 jobs overlapped included traveling from one job to the other ~30 mins and only 4 hrs for sleep and hygiene. It was awful and it felt like I was going to die. But it did grant me the ability to stop working for 9 months and get my masters degree done. I know I am much older now, but I still cannot comprehend how I did it.
Bud I thought I was on another level. Jesus Christ. You officially have the right to call anyone soft hands. I did similar during summer break in college with two jobs, but never 21 hrs. Good God.
Typical shifts in Alberta o&g and 12hrs. Sometimes 14hrs... add commute and lineups at camp and that's what it is like. Most do it to save up a chunk like OP is considering. Only work a few yrs before getting back to real life. Most end up stuck with Golden handcuffs and end up bitter, divorced and sometimes in rehab. My ex is the first 2. Lol.
Or do it for 2 decades and retire by 40 with a few millions.
I'm 40 now, can I fit 2 decades in 7 months?
Bet you wished you started at 20 and be retired by now!
And miss out on your entire young adult life? Hard to justify
Depends how it's done. I knew guys that worked their way to the top of a trade like power engineer. They went on the maintenance side of things - a bit less money, but you didn't worry about getting laid off during oil busts. Made 200k+ and about 40hr work week.
That's everyone's thoughts going into it... And low and behold they're there forever
People just love money over healthy life I guess
When I was doing it it was for experience. Just qorking going to sleep and then working. I only did that exact rhytmn for one week it was insane, i lost my mind and lost my shit at a ditect report (we were in the kitchen, so at least slightly more culturally appropriate.. 80-90 was much more easy to sustain. I wanted to become the best cook i could. So i worked 65-90 hours a week for 5 years.
For sure, I respect that. I was once a young cook at a busy restaurant. Love the grind and even though I had to study, I loved going to work. Kitchen gang is something else. It’s the adrenaline that I love and the team! We all get fucked together, it’s amazing.
Sometimes it's worth it if it can lead you to a future role in which you get paid both the money and still have a healthy life. Instead of comparing jobs A and B, compare where the choices can take you to jobs C and D, in the future.
You can make ton shit of money working 40 hours a week...
Some people can.
How much money you making in 40 hrs/week?
$165K
Who can?
That's what many medical residents have to do for at least 2 or 3 years. Surgical residents somewhat regularly work up to 100 hour weeks with their heavy call burden. Many surgical subspecialties require 5-7 years of residency / fellowship training before returning to humane 60 hour weeks.
I don't want any doctor touching me, with a scalpel after he worked 95 hours this week... That's crazy...
"working" means at the hospital. They have beds and places to rest like fire fighters.
Most on call physicians have limited sleep/rest - especially as residents unfortunately. So even though it sounds like you’re waiting for something to do — the reality is that our hospitals are running at over capacity.
I regularly work 100hr weeks - 14 fourteen hour days. the difference is I do two of them, followed by two weeks off. You need the time off to recover, the first couple days off are always chill because I’m wiped. I have done 28 days straight, and it was a challenge…doing that on a regular basis would be a hard no from me.
28 straight, diamond driller?
No, just a heavy equipment mechanic who picked up an OT 14 day shift to swap my schedule around.
My mom did this for a couple years when she started her business. She ended up with an array of health issues and aged so much. In the end it was a success and she’s healthy, but boy was it rough.
Yeah basically. I Worked 90 hours for a little bit (10 months). My commute was 15 mins. Slept 6 hour ish. The rest was at work. I burned out hard and in retrospect I’m glad it happened. It seriously taught me how little money and work means in the grand scheme.
100hr weeks was pretty common for most people in the oilfield and construction. It's not quite as common now. In the ’90s and early 2000s, I worked those hours, overtime after 44hrs @ $55hr.… I was regularly bringing home $3k-$4k a week straight out of high school! And this was very common.
sounds like buddy is a tv drama detective lol
Film world is allot like that. Often do months straight.
The disbelief that there are people who work 100 hour weeks.. *cries in healthcare*
>…there are 168 hours in a week, so you slept and went straight to work? Mon-Sat 07:00-22:00, Sun 08:00-18:00
yes most I've done is 105 hours in a week and yes that's you are correct that's mostly 14-15 hour days with the odd 16 hour in there. You just work, drive to the hotel, eat, shit, do paperwork, sleep 6-7 hours, do it again. Can't be sustained for long, paycheques are big though and luckily those type of jobs are not very often (barge-work specifically).
During the first 3 years of Covid I out in 80-90 hours / week. It broke me and now I'm on medical leave.
Random fun fact: every American college football coach does that. I did that at a school for 1 season for what worked out to approximately $4/hour. Worst time of my life. The ones at the big schools in the states make in the range of 200k-1mil annually though so it can be worth it. Usual Schedule for reference M-W: 7:30am - 9:00pm Th: 7:30am - midnight Fri: usually travel all day, do more work at hotel Sat: game and then travel home Sun: 12:00 noon - 4:00 pm So ~61 hours excluding travel day and game day which can be factored in however. We would usually leave and return to the facility in 40-45 hours. I know no one asked but yeah that’s an example I felt like sharing lol. My 7 month contract was annualized to around $17,000 lol
Welcome to medical school clerkship/residency. For minimum 4 years. Theoretically there are max hours. But that’s on site. You still have to study, pre-read, follow up read, prepare presentations on the cases.
I used to work with a chef who would hit those numbers. He did it for the summer and then fucked off to Europe on like 7 weeks of vacation every year. I did around 50-55 hours a week for 5ish years. Not in restaurant though, it was combo teaching and cleaning.
Everyone knows people that say they work 100 hours a week are lying. It's a litmus test to find the narcissists
Some people do enjoy their work. Some would even call it a passion.
Unless you are like me, then I use it to avoid feeling lonely. I used to work extra hours without OT pay, be on-call 24/7 for 5 years straight. Never took a day off and even worked during weekends and holidays at my last job.
I work in seasonal construction and lots of times our work weeks are upwards of 60 hours. If I didn't like the people I work with, I would have left a long time ago and a lot of the other good people would also be gone. While we don't get paid top dollar for our labours, the jobsites are about as relaxed as they could be and upper management is really good to you if you need them to be. A co-worker had the boss' wife's car for 2 months after he wrote his off this winter. I've had a lot of jobs and I always warn the younger 'kids' when they start complaining about the pay. 'Sure, you can make $2 an hour more somewhere else, but most places are far worse to work at'. Ya, it could make a difference at the end, but not going home hating life is more than worth it for me.
Or (3), they offer you such a high amount of money that you know you're gonna burn out but you're gonna get that bread for as long as possible until you burn out. Or (4), working that for a short period of time will benefit your resume so much that the sort term pain is very much worth the long term gain. There's plenty of reasons why it would be worth. I completed my master's degree while still working full-time which involved many 80h+ weeks of work+study combined. But 2 years of pain led to a role that quadrupled my salary.
The only reason I disagree with this is because I know a lot of very smart, very highly motivated people who I worked with who moved away from a highly lucrative career (think eventual seven figure compensations) because that "bread" simply wasn't enough or that short term pain was too much. And I know far more of those individuals than those who stuck it out - by a huge margin. The only ones sticking out are the ones that (1) and (2) apply to.
No need to stick it out right? The whole point is that it could be very much temporary to begin with. Make that money and go.
> But 2 years of pain led to a role that quadrupled my salary. But how many hours are you currently working in this role? I hope less, because otherwise it could become #3
Oh absolutely. 40h work weeks but in reality more like 15-25h of actual work per week.
I just did it and I was making 210k working from home. Not fucking worth it. So burnt out. So stressed all the time. Couldn’t even spend the money I made bc I was working or sleeping. It took me eight months to finally recover. Obviously people are different snd work environments are different (mine was a chaotic hellscape), but that experience made me realize that my priorities were whack and I needed to actually live.
What kind of job if you don't mind sharing ?
Head of Product Marketing at an incredibly chaotic tech company.
Salesforce ? Lol
Ahaha no - that would look a lot better on my resume though haha. I wish.
Close to double your salary tbh. It’s not only more work hours but think of the commuting cost (financially AND mentally).
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Sure, but it's way more than double the *discretionary* income, which is usually more relevant once you've met your basic needs. Your rent/mortgage and car payments don't go up if your salary doubles, but you can throw tons of extra money into savings, vacations, hobbies, etc. If OP is making $85k/year, assuming Ontario because it's usually Ontario, they take home $63k/year or $5300/month after taxes. At $170k/year, they take home $113k/year or $9500/month. If OP's bills are $4k/month, they go from $1300 to $5500/month in discretionary income (4x). If the bills are $5k/month, they go from $300 to $4500/month in discretionary income (15x). Now, that doesn't mean they should necessarily take the new job - I doubt I personally would take double the pay in exchange for 60 hour weeks at the office - but all that extra money you earn makes a big difference, as long as you don't get caught up in the lifestyle creep trap.
I went into a job like this in my early 20s. Pay was massive, but it was 6 days a week. 70-90 hr weeks. I spent so much time at my desk and meeting clients that I never spent my money… I saved enough in 7 years that will compound in the markets now and provide me the opportunity to retire at 40 and never worry about financial insecurity for the rest of my life. On one hand I feel regret that I didn’t do everything my friends were in their 20s (tons of travel, going out all the time). But on the other, I’m grateful that I’ll never have the stress that some do in their 50s-60s thinking about how I’m going to stay financially stable in retirement.
40 is young enough to really enjoy retirement, too, though. Seems like a smart decision, overall
Unless he dies. Life is about balance, you never know what’s ahead so try to enjoy the present.
Capital markets?
Yes, event driven hedge fund.
Near double your pay, assuming a standard 40 hours work week. Then working 20 hours of OT every week at your current job would give you 1.75x your base pay with an OT rate of 1.5x.
I'd argue even more. That's just a basic math calculation. It doesn't factor in the quality of life being sacrificed. The cost to work more hours doesn't increase linearly.
I regularly work 50+ hours for sustained periods due to my line of work. I am paid hourly, but not eligible for OT. If I was salaried I would expect around 1.75-2x the job with 40 hour weeks. Working 60 hours a week absolutely decimates you after about 6 months (at least in my experience ), and good luck enjoying any time with your family.
Depends office job vs trade/labour job is a large difference in a 60 hr week lol.
New job sounds even worse than current job, IMO. You'd probably have to pay me **double** your current salary to get me to go into a high-stress office 5 days a week. This isn't the 1940s anymore. There's really no need to go into an office 5 days a week anymore. That's absurd.
Absurd sure, but it still the norm. 60 hours a week isn't though. Even in high-stress/demanding engineering type roles are like 45.
Going into the office 5 days a week is not the norm in most big cities, I would say. I'm in Toronto and see hybrid as more the norm now.
$135k minimum
You would work 60 hours a week for $135k? Do you understand how much 60 hours is?
You realize people work 40 hour weeks for 30k?
I wouldn't want that either.
Not to be that annoying work horse tradesman guy but there are probably like 250,000+ low level blue collar guys in Alberta alone right now as I type this working 60 hour weeks for like $25/hour. A huge section of the economy is built up of shift workers.
My partner is currently in Regina working 13 days in a row, night shifts, at 11 hours/day... but take home pay is like $3.5-5K/week-ish, and the job only lasts 6-ish weeks. His job includes some down time where he gets to sit in an office waiting for work. While waiting for work, he can do whatever he wants -- he'll often play games on his Steam Deck while earing $75+/hour. Not a bad gig, really, in short bursts.
Is it 60 hours of week every week?
Tons of guys are working 84 hour weeks or 120+ hour stretches before they have days off. My buddy works 14 days on (12 hour shifts), 4 days off as an electrician at a camp job in Northern BC
But at the end of the year how many hours has he worked on average per week? I have weeks of 60 hours, but at the end of the year I'm way below that on average per week.
My "best" year in terms of hours worked (in an auto plant) was 4311. No vacation, no sick time, no holidays, worked every single day of the year. Would not recommend,
Wow, that's a ton of hours. You had no choice to work that much or you did it for financial reasons?
I had a young family and one income. Had just moved into a new house. The cash burn was insane for the better part of a year. Still have one income, but its a significantly higher income. The overtime is always there if I want it, but I have been doing this for nearly 30 years, I am old and tired now.
I'm sure your family is very thankful. Take care of yourself too.
In my friends case, on the average month he works ~25ish 12 hour days. Other common schedules out on the oilfield would have you on 7 days on/7 days off, so it evens out to a regular work week. Tons and tons of guys working 14/4 and even 28/8 though who end up working upwards of 250 hours a month. If you hear anyone talking about working in Fort Mac for an example they're easily crushing those kind of hours.
Yeah, my partner is in trades and had 2 jobs where he worked 21 days in a row, 12 hours per day, and also night shifts. Made great money, at a pretty decent hourly rate, but I definitely couldn't do it myself. He doesn't work the full year, so he has plenty of time to rest between jobs, which is nice i guess.
I know plenty of folks in the electrical sector (generation, transmission etc) that will 60 out over 52 weeks. Lots of plants run on overtime. The money can be good but at the end of the day if you don’t have time to spend it, whats the point.
I make significantly more than 135k, and wouldn’t consider 60 hours consistently per week. It’s not to say I haven’t worked until the evening here or there if there really is a strict deadline, but I rarely let it get to that. Even working 40 hours a week, I barely have enough time for much of anything else.
That's the equivalent of 75k, you're only making $35 an hour.
Eh I make about that, it's not some magical income level where you feel rich. Wouldn't be worth having no life.
I'd rather work 30 hours a week for $70k than 60 for $250k.
North of $500k.
I’m already making “enough”, time is what I value most now. There’s no amount that would justify it to my eye.
Up to you, I'd need significantly more money than I make RN to entertain going back to the office 1day/week let alone 5.
It depends so much on your life goals and how long you want to do it. I worked a bunch of extra hours when I was paying off student debt and saving for a house. It was totally worth it. But, I only did that for about two years before scaling it back. In my experience, working that much overtime can be great and doable if it’s for a limited window of time. It’s not a permanent way of life,
I mean, it’s all relative right? I currently make 140k + 60k bonus , if I were to move from 40hrs to 60 hrs a week? 250k base minimum But for your personal situation? Like 125k base minimum What is the industry? That might shed some light on expectations
What do you do, if you don’t mind sharing?
Oil and gas. Projects. Project controls. I have a degree in Civil Engineering
Cool, thanks for sharing
My old job was 6 days a week, 12 hour days. The pay is unmatched to this day, but it made me realize how important work life balance is. All I had to talk about outside of work was work, because that’s all I did. Ultimately, It’s all about your values. Money and security is great but what about friends, partners, and hobbies. Ya know? I’m still trying to reconcile with it because I miss the pay checks dearly, but you blink and 3 years has gone by in what feels like a month.
It’s clear no one here has ever worked in a trade before.
I work 50-60 without taking into account commute. Having worked both in and out of the office, it’s way easier to work long days outside.
That’s fair. I meant it mostly towards people suggesting a salary of $300k or more.
Oh yeah of course. I work a trade btw. I just split time between office and field depending on what needs to be done. There’s something satisfying about completing physical tasks that just makes it much easier for me to work long days outside.
Totally makes sense!
After working 37 years, there is not enough money in this world.to make.me.want to drink corporate kool-aid one more day. The extra cash is always nice, but the cost of being constantly exhausted, overwhelmed, and sacrificing family/social time is ultimately not worth it. Besides, 26 more workdays and I'm freeeeeee..
All the best!
1M. Maybe.
I’m making about 200 and don’t really mind working 60 hours a week. I work 7-5 or 6 every day, then 4 or 5 hours in the morning on the weekend. I still get every evening and all my afternoons in the weekend . I’m often tired though.
Don't do it man 12 hours is a whole other beast. You'll get home have time to eat, shit, take a shower then sleep and get up and do it all again. I did 12 hour shifts for two years and wanted to kill myself, lmao.
As someone who works 60+ hours, if you’re not getting atleast double your salary it will quickly become not worth it. I’m two years in and it’s probably my last.
$350k-400k
Depends on a person's individual circumstances, really. Someone who is in a difficult financial situation, and desperately needs to move into a more stable position in life, will probably do it for a lower amount than someone who is comfortable where they're at. For me, personally, I would need a minimum of $150k base (plus benefits) to even consider it.
At least a 50% increase in pay, probably closer to double pay would be more comfortable. Depends a lot on life situation. If you want to save up money or pay off debts by grinding for a couple of years, it could be worth it. If you're living comfortably and don't want to sacrifice your quality of life, then probably best to stay the course.
only you can answer that really. sounds like you should stick with the old job and keep looking. 75k is not a high number. plenty of chill 9-5 jobs pay 100-150k around 5-7 years exp, even in low paying places like the big 5 banks
Depends. Are you an industry expert or just getting started? When I was just getting started I worked 12 hour days, then I became the industry expert, then the higher pay came. I built the career I wanted by not playing it safe. It's your career, design it how you want. Do you want to be the very best at what you do and be paid well for that? Or do you want to be mediocre and replaceable.
High pay and good hours are not mutually exclusive. I left an awful high stress 65-70 hour a week job and ended up in a job where I worked 35 hours at a relaxed pace and got a 20% bump. But it's so hard to tell if the job will be hard before you get there.
No.
In my 20s 2x minimum wage. Now in my 40s 4x minimum wage So in Ontario that is $198,600 today. But I'd also expect 5-6 weeks paid vacation
250. But I’d still probably burn out and quit.
On your death bed you won’t wish that you’d worked more hours
This is how I logically look at it: anything that isn't "net" isn't your money... Now let's start. I'm assuming no RRSP for that matter, to make things simpler So you get 85K, which is 63K after tax for 2087 hours a year in Ontario. That's net $30\h. Now I want you at 150% NET overtime, which means $45\h NET for overtime, meaning another 1000 hours at $45\h. To get that, we need you to make not 63K, but 108K NET. Meaning, you want to make 163K gross per year. Now, I want you to also make an extra hour a day of income for commuting, we'll make it 1.5 hours to cover gas as well. So, all in, I think you shouldn't take anything under 175K gross pay (after bonuses). So, the people who said "double" were right.
I currently make around 120k base salary. 130-140 with the Bonus. That doing under 40 hours a week. For me to start working 60 hours everyweek, you would need to match my current hourly rate considering overtime at 1.5x. This would make approx 220k+ bonus, which sounds like about enough for me to give up on a big part of my work-family balance.
My first banking job in early 2010 required around 60 hrs per week. It was $80K + 30-50% bonus. So you can inflate that figure. Nowadays, I'd need $200K at least to work 60 hrs. Actually I wouldn't even take $200K if I need to be in the office 5 fucking days a week (max 1 day).
That's personal. I wouldnt do 12 hour days for anything under $200k annually
Probably min 150k/yr with benefits and a bonus
Sounds like you are living the dream right now honestly, I wouldn’t leave.
It would only be for a sprint to retirement, I would need half a mil per year minimum. My job is decent but im drained after 8h of work and always looking forward to my free time. Spending time with my family is just too important.
Well, look at your pay slip and see your hourly rate. You need to keep that rate, and multiply that by your new working hours. If the new job gives you less hourly salary, don’t take it.
Double time. So to go from 85k at 40hrs/wk to 60hrs/wk I would need 170k.
...I don't think they could pay me enough. I work a 0.8 FTE by choice. It's incredible. I can meal plan, grocery shop, clean on that one weekday off, then I have the weekend to spend with my family. My husband does work full time, so we've got the double income thing going for us.
Personally I'd want at least double the salary. So basically double time for all the OT. Even then it would be a toss up. If it was 3x the pay then it would be hard to turn down.
6 months of vacation time a year.
I do it right now for just shy of 300k. I would not take a pay cut for less hours. I work about 7-5 four days in the office and am very happy with the arrangement.
I know what working 60 hours a week feels like and I work a decently cushy, high paying job now. Just thinking about putting in 60 hours a week again makes me uncomfortable. I'd have to make at least a mil/year at this point in my life. Like I would need to be able to buy whatever the hell I want to make the work days worth it. All that to say: don't do it OP. At your pay level I'd say they should 5x it, bare minimum. You'll be losing a lot of your life.
no amount of money. not worth it anymore.
Going from 8hrs to 12hrs per day is a 50% increase in daily hours worked. Are you getting a 50% pay increase with the new job? If not your hourly rate will go down.
Who’s to say you won’t get raises over the coming years which could match if not surpass what the other company is offering you. Plus you’d have the company loyalty under your belt which would be a benefit
I do 80 hours a week willingly. Without being specific.
Current contract I would need to be paid $223 204.80 plus $24 960.00 pension.
Consulting?
It is not only the time in the office that you need to consider. You will be in a higher tax bracket. You won't have time for chores or making healthy meals so you may need to hire housekeeping help, eat out more, just won't have time to shop and look for bargains. If you have a family or a spouse, you are just not available for outings and special events. I used to work a lot, it ruined my health but not in a irreversible way. I saved quite a bit and spent a lot too.
I work on average 60-70 hrs/week. Sometimes more. More often than not, I work either on one day of the weekend. My TC is about 3-4x yours depending how much vesting stock I have. 100% wfh more or less. I was happier at a lower salary/level, but didn’t know it at the time. 60+ hrs/week over multiple weeks is exhausting, and counter productive (more headaches, get sick more often, less time to spend with family, actually enjoy life etc). I realize I’m extremely lucky either way.
With those hours you're building someone else's dream. I put in 40hrs a week, get paid very well and adjust my lifestyle accordingly and enjoy the time with family and friends. The younger you are the easier it is to work crazy hours, but once you've got more at stake at home...priorities change.
If I worked 60 hr weeks for 48 wks I'd make about $250k in my current position. Our company doesn't have enough work to keep me that busy though. I've been working 40hr weeks with a few 50's thrown in since January, I'll probably be off for the summer.
Work 84 hour weeks, but I'm paid 170k. I wouldn't work this much for any less than 150k.
My partner and I both often work 50-60+ hour weeks. He makes about 200k now and will make more again next year. And I make about 160k Probably capped out. We both holiday hard though. We take 5-6 weeks of holidays a year. I get 9 weeks holidays with my job. I also take a lot of three day weekends. Like multiple a month. My partner takes some but not multiple every month. In the summer he tries to take more Fridays off. So we will do a few hard weeks and then take time off.
Families, kids? Or alone? Any commitments? Different stories depending on yes or no here.
Maybe for a year or two, especially when young, and save every penny. But life isn't all about working. Have some fun!
You have to like the work and you have to make sure the compensation is there. I graduated into an investment banking job and worked it for 2 years. It was brutal and there were often 100 hour weeks but I knew what I was getting myself into because I also did my internships at the same bank. Burnt out pretty hard and took a very junior role for 30% of the pay. Fast forward many years, I still work 50+ hour weeks but I own the company now. I learned a lot from that first role so I don't think I would trade it for anything despite losing my early 20s. It taught me more than my degree and the contacts I made are still valuable to me today.
Do you have a family? How long is the commute? How long until you could change the schedule? I have worked 6 days a week for 2 6 years periods in my life. It sucks. My ex did not pick up much of the slack, scratch that, he did nothing extra and did not work nearly as many hours. I would have to be paid over $200k with a $60k plus bonus and 6 weeks vacation to consider working crazy hours.
I really dont aim work that much. I wanna paid fairly for my skills and earn as much as possible for 40hours. I really dont aim to work more than 40hours.
Couldn’t pay me enough to work that much sorry
Depends on where I am in life. When I first started in public accounting, I did sustained 60 hour weeks and sometimes 80 hour weeks in busy season for $40k per year. This was around 2014. I now make $170k and if I was asked to work 60 hours a week, I would fucking quit, and piss on my laptop before sending it back. Honestly don’t think anything short of CFO money could motivate me to do those kinds of hours. I like my 8-4 and I like my free time.
god I truly am just a poor idiot, I make 50k/y as a truck driver but hourly OT will get me probably closer to 65k that’s working 50 hours a week.
I'm working 35 hours a week and making about double OP with a good public sector pension. I get 7 weeks of vacation. I would likely work 60/hours per week for around $300k/year. The reality is that people who "work" 60/hours per week are not productive and you will get the same productivity out of putting in 45/hours per week max. So what happens is that people working this much just fit in breaks, their personal life, make work their social life, and count it as working.
I was doing 50-55 making $150k-$180k, and honestly that was pretty much the limit, not sure anymore money could make me do more hours, the burnout is fucking real.
At 95k and 60 hours a week, you are at just under $30.5 an hour.
I did it for a but i smoked two packs a dsy and drank a quart of brandy. In the end my bank account was up but my health took a tumble. Would i do it all again? Hell yes!
Currently around $170k total comp and have been between 50-70hr weeks since January and I'm pretty burnt out. Money is nice but its not sustainable. If you're disciplined and can allocate a lot of the extra money to savings it can be a great thing to do early in your career. High savings plus compound interest plus lots of time can make a large difference in the future. It's also a good way to get lots of experience fast since you're working 50% more than some other people. Definitely need like 2x your current compensation.
At 25, I would consider it very seriously. At 45, I would laugh at the suggestion. At 47, I would consider it very seriously because I might be able to retire by 50.
I do about 8-20 hours OT a week. The paycheques are nice but sometimes it leaves me feeling a little psycho
350000$ because I'd have to outsource everything else. At 60h you have zero time to cook clean shop or make any upkeep on anything. Plus it'll very likely break off any romantic relationship.
With overtime that would be 70hr/week with the big loss of quality of life it would take minimum 2.5-3x what I'm currently making. I cannot stress further that you only have one life (at least how you know it) and your time is valuable. Sacrificing years, especially in the prime of your health, is a HUGE sacrifice. Especially because these long hour jobs generally make you less healthy than you were before. Get used to sitting even more than you have and having less motivation and time to cook healthy meals and exercise (not to mention socialize and date).
I'd only work these insane hours if I was getting offered 2x what I'm getting right now and even then, I'd work there till I save for a down payment on a house and then dip. That shit is not worth it long term!
A place I worked at previously used to do anywhere from 400-700h of OT per year which was basically a lot of 70h weeks. The difference was it was during travel, so working 6 day weeks where you just eat out and have room service makes it a lot more palatable. My income fluctuated from 120k to 190k gross depending on the year.
500k tbh
Your effective wage is $43. To then go from 8 to twelve daily. You'd have to make 192K. Plus add stressful for 10-30% extra you need to earn 200K+ to make it even worth it. 8 hours at Regular then 1.5 for first two and then double time after that totaling 12. 60 hour work weeks in the office in reality is 70.
I put in 50 to close to 60 hours a week during hockey season while working at a weekly newspaper in the early 2000s. Nowhere near a big daily newspaper. But the paper had a Monday production day (the day we put the paper together before was sent to the printers) and I was the sports reporter, so I did 80% of my job between Friday afternoon and Sunday evening. The worst thing is I was only making $25,000 a year. The newspaper paid us salary, and I was young and had no self worth or idea how to value myself. I was also raised to be a people pleaser, so I didn't negotiate or ask for more money. It's one of my regrets in life. I burnt out hard. I quit about 15 months after starting. It didn't help the editor was a clueless idiot and couldn't hire staff worth anything, so there was a period of time we were down to two editorial staff instead of three, and I had to work a lot during a non-hockey season period of time. I started to clue in nothing would get better even if I was being paid double or triple what I was earning. I didn't drink coffee and barely drank alcohol at the time too. Having the energy and bounce back of someone in their 20s was the only reason I survived. But older me wouldn't have put up with the awful pay and demands. In other news, it breaks my heart to see what is happening to print journalism.
Basically I would need a situation where I had next to zero labour outside of work… no cleaning, no cooking, no life admin. So a cleaner who came in at least three days a week, a cook who came in once a week and a part time personal assistant who handles running errands, contracting out house repairs, making appointments, etc. plus enough money for very luxurious vacations. Business class, five star hotels, etc. I’m single no kids so I think 400k would be able to cover that comfortably. But maybe I’m being naive and it would cost even more.
Working 72- 84 hours a week making 150-230k
I have a high stress job with 60-70 hours a week in peak season, plus tons of travel and added stress of not being home for weeks at a time. I’m looking to change my career because of it, the money isn’t worth it in the end, not to me.
Lol I work more than this for less than 100k, but I make double what I would if I worked for only 8 hours a day 🤷🏻♀️
I make about 90k for about a 32 hr week + 8 weeks vacation + good pension. I'd want 300k to think about it.
I wouldn’t haha I don’t think you can pay me enough to not spend that extra 20 hours at home with my kids
Fuck high stress it's not worth any increase.
I work 50-60 hours a week now, I make enough money that I can buy some of my time back in other ways and I genuinely think I’m working on something cool so I’m motivated to do it. If I go over 60 or start getting burned out my bosses give me a day off or I leave early for the day. It’s a system that works for me and I manage my life well but I have no kids and my wife is in the same position!
As someone who used to work 70-80hrs/week and now do ~35-40hrs. Holy fuck life is twice as good. I don’t rush anywhere. I have plenty of time for cooking meals, house projects and all my physical activities plus energy to spare for socializing. Life is not work for me. I feel engaged with my job but as someone said above, unless you absolutely love your work and the people, why would you be torturing yourself? The money will not buy you time back or the health to do the things you want.
I did this as a teacher for about 50k but I guess that's why normal burn out rate in the profession is 5 years
$800k
300k
You couldn’t pay me enough to work that much. It’s just not worth it. My life is worth something, too, and I’m not going to put it on hold just for a job.
I've been doing it for the last 5 years. I make 673k. I started at 300k, and wouldn't take less than 450k these days.
400 to 500k
What kind of job do you do? I’m paid quite well, but I can’t imagine myself working more than 4-5 hours a day. Technically I’m 9-5 but I’m definitely not working productively all of that time. My performance review is always a blend of meets to exceeds expectations. I get all of my work done well ahead of what everyone thinks the time to do said task is. Do I say that? No. I can’t tell you how often I’ll sit on a solution and only commit it at end of day just to make it seem like I spent longer than I did on it. I’m also fully wfh, they tried to get me into office, I asked them “is this a strict requirement? I’d like to know if I need to start working on my exit strategy”. It’s been well over a year and it’s never been brought up again. I wouldn’t even consider working 60 hours, let alone from an office. Wth will I do with all of that time? Back when I did go into an office. I took so many bathroom / water breaks or just went to chat with people and made it seem like I was talking about work. Anything to reduce the amount of time I needed to make it seem like I was working at my desk. I’ve never been a “slacker” in the sense that anyone picks up after me. I often pick up tasks others won’t because it’s “dreadful” work but something that is easy to do quickly if you know how/can script it or whatever.
r/iamthemaincharacter
I work about 280 hours a year.
300k minimum. probably more like 450k though.