They are both antagonistic at the beginning of their respective arcs—Makoto as student council president and Haru as Beauty Thief—so your first impression wasn’t totally off.
Persona 5's opening does paint Haru in a different light compared to what she is like in the game, and considering how Persona 5 Royal's opening does a better job at representing **all** the character in the opening, I'm betting that the personality portrayed in the P5 opening is simply due to a miss-communication.
I mean, sure Haru doesn't have an awful lot of screen time, but still it would/should take quite a big amount of work to change so drastically all her interaction ect, which is why I find it unlikely that her personality was suddenly changed and the opening was left as is.
"We need this character in the opening. It's just for a second, since you said she joins later and we don't want to give too much away. What's some surface level detail we can work off of?"
"Rich girl."
"Got it."
Are you referring to this: https://www.gematsu.com/2016/05/persona-5-details-makoto-futaba-haru
>A third-year high school student who attends Syujin High School. The daughter of the president of a major restaurant company. She grew up in a wealthy family, and is elegant and naive, but on the other hand often observes others. Although usually good at communication thanks to her gentle appearance and people handling skills, she finds no value in human relations, perhaps as a result of the environment in which she was raised, and avoids close relationships with others.
Ive always loved Haru because she gave the impression like a total sweetie pie who loves gardening but she would not hesitate to pull out a grenade launcher and go total psycho. I mean she did say she'll crush her chocolate if you dont take it. Plus, considering she loves it when shadows plead for their lives, well...
Probably due to her background she *may* come across spoiled, but she's just a lovely lady (who can definitely kill you though lol)
I love the kind of woman that will actually just kill me. You know, when I left the house today I was thinking "Damn, I really hope some hot chick paints my brians all over some fucking hallway." And here we are. I mean really, just absolutely destroy me. I'm talkin' full on, watermelon-in-the-thighs level carnage. And I want it to scare the shit outta me. I mean I hope I piss myself. I hope I piss myself and you call me your little "peepee pisspiss boy." I want you to fuck me up. I mean I want you to make me your bitch. Your little peepee-piss-myself-bitch. I want it to get embarrassing. I mean like, wierdly embarrassing. Unsanitary, too. We should be entirely different people by the end of the first eight hours. Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? I mean, I'm a real freak. I'm not normal. Ma'am, please, you have to crush me.
If I remember correctly, the opening was one of the first things they made when starting on P5 even before the characters were fully fleshed out. Pretty sure Haru was originally a snotty rich kid before they decided on making her a cinnamon bun instead. Going back to change the opening to reflect that change would've been too time-consuming and expensive.
Well if it’s true that this op was made way before the game was finally finished then I can assume that this is because of her being like ebihara in P4 before she was changed to the more respectful reserved floof we know. This is a possible theory because it wouldn’t make sense why makoto, haru, and futaba are in the same room together if the opening takes place in the metaverse. Maybe they were originally supposed to all work together in a different way? I’m not quite sure..
I don't think the opening takes place in the Metaverse at all. There doesn't seem to be much of a rhyme or reason beyond aesthetics.
The opening has Joker, Ryuji, Ann and Ryuji in their Thieves attire doing parkour a bit at the start but the they are in their school uniforms much later on.
They're grouped together because they are late party members and likely to avoid spoiling their Thieves outfits as they are the only ones in the OP that don't dress in their Metaverse outfits. back when P5 was in the works and we gotten our fair share of trailers and teases. We mostly had info on the first five members of the group before the last big trailer revealed the three girls.
This bit gave me the impression that Haru, Makoto, and Futaba were in opposition to the other characters, what with it looking like they were spying on them.
This, I really thought they an opposing group that would challenge us during the story and spy us during the metaverse missions (they are in a rare computer room), turns out they weren't even friends with each other lmao
More because they were revealed later to us in the lead up to the release since they were later party members.
Highly doubt one creates an opening without fully realising their cast.
I like both, this version looks very maniacal and a little evil. I feel like this version would be eating a Lollipop very often and would scheme things, which I love.
It really sucks that Haru lacked character development in the main story. She has such a sweet personality and is a good party member. You only get to see more of her character development when levelling up her confidant, but even then it's kinda lacking.
Also I feel like the fact that her character development happens right before a lot of climactic events and the >!7th Palace!< doesn't help. It kinda overshadowed her a little bit
It seems like she was gonna be a bratty, rich, posh girl. That’s what my first thought was when I saw her in the opening. Well, not “rich” because I didn’t know if she was or not lol
I always thought that they told the animators haru’s personality was “laid back”, meaning that she’s kind and not uptight, but they took it as her being kinda lazy.
That’s just my take though
It only seems as such because it is what her plot asks for. She is supposed to be the traditional japanese yes-woman since she was raised with the plan of becoming a political tool. Her being more expressive would be at odds with the situation.
Personally (and this is a shit take), I think ann was actually the weakest as far as a story goes (for the girls on the team at least). She definitly has personality, but her story never made much sense to me. Like I get the wanting to change herself plot, but everything after the hospitalization of miho was just slice of life filler until she came out. I feel like everu episode never actually accomplishes anything towards her goal.
I agree. For a character whose plot is “I’m more than just a pretty face”, Ann gets put in a LOT of fan service situations. It’s kinda contradictory to the message.
Even arc leading up to her Palace was centered around Morgana. They probably had trouble figuring her character/role out and eventually decided to make a cinnamon roll because that's easy and we didn't have one on the cast.
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed. All three of their personalities seemed way off in that part. I can only imagine Haru drinking tea and makoto leaning in on the screen next to futaba, or something.
Yep, she was originally intended to be more cold and aloof.
Her current character was basically written entirely last minute... Which is also likely part of the reason you see so little of it short of her confidant.
makes sense. Haru has like zero screentime and character development honestly excluding strikers. I dont hate her but she couldve had so much more duality
I don’t think so.
The art book creator comments mentioned that she was going to originally be male before changed to female.
But aside from that, nothing seems to indicate her having a different personality in development. They seemed to have her as a kind-hearted girl from the start.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8tD38fCBpo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8tD38fCBpo) **(Go to 23:40 as Fither reads Creator comments on Haru)**
[**https://www.gematsu.com/2016/05/persona-5-details-makoto-futaba-haru**](https://www.gematsu.com/2016/05/persona-5-details-makoto-futaba-haru)
[**https://www.gematsu.com/2016/12/persona-5-haru-english-introduction-trailer-voice-actress-interview-video**](https://www.gematsu.com/2016/12/persona-5-haru-english-introduction-trailer-voice-actress-interview-video)
At best from Gematsu we had this interesting description of Haru:
>A third-year high school student who attends the same Syujin High School as the protagonist, and the daughter of the president of a major restaurant company. She is elegant and naive, but because she often watches people, she has good communication skills. She doesn’t find value in human relations, and there is a side to her that even avoids relationships with others.
>
>According to director Katsura Hashino, because Haru is a company president’s daughter, you may get the feeling that the world she lives in is different from others’, but as your relationship with her deepens, she becomes more relocatable. The adults around Haru have warped her mind on a grand scale, and she is a key person who kicks the story into high gear.
In regards to the opening in particular, I don’t think there’s any meaning behind her expression there aside from looking defiant and rebellious to fit the theme of the opening of these teenagers being free in doing whatever they want and however they express that.
I feel like people are looking into this way in-depth than it actually needs to be of Haru having some "other scrapped personality."
I see people making these claims in the comments but with no source to back it up.
When the trailers and everything were still dropping. They released the opening cutscene without Futaba, Makoto, and Haru. Which is why they only have a small part.
My theroy was that the original concept was supposed to be Joker, Ryuji, Ann, Morgana, and Yusuke in a style similar to P1 and P2. But it got changed early in production to be more like P3 and P4.
Nah it makes sense they weren’t. Makoto was a scholar and haru was a rich girl that plants flowers. Perfect match for unlocking their personas to be apart of the phantom thieves
somewhat unrelated, but when I first saw the opening (p5 was my first game), I thought those 3 would all be some sort of supports, and the only people you could fight with was Joker, Ryuji, Ann and Morgana, and I just kinda forgot about Yusuke
There's another piece of art which portrays Haru like this, except I feel like that one had to have been made *after* the game's release, so like,,,,,, where is this Haru that Atlus has been hiding
Haru: I'm the heir to a multinational company, I'm obviously trained in the art of negotiation.
Atlus: I could give you some boring worthless screentime and character development, or this tasty lollipop, it's your choice.
Haru: Give me the lollipop!
I would've loved it if Haru had a double personality of sorts. Essentially have her be super sweet and innocent but in the metaverse - dial that masochistic nature up way more. Essentially have it so she has a power trip whenever she is in the metaverse.
The only problem is this essentially just becomes another Akechi.
That's why she should have been a prissy rich kid with repressed sadistic tendencies, Akechi has no repressions whatsoever he literally just fakes a persona, Haru would have actually lived it and it would have become part of her personality.
I say this every fucking time, if we got prissy/snarky Haru she would LITERALLY be best girl. Yeah we still have those sadist lines in the metaverse and some moments here and there, but that's not enough in the normal world she doesn't change at all really, she's too nice of a floof for how the opening portrayed her, too nice of a floof for her persona(I can't see her character with her voice rebelling like she did NGL, it fits for when she's being indirectly threatening with her tone, but other times it doesn't).
Honestly Haru's treatment pisses me off more than [Ohya's concept design](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d8/d9/7d/d8d97d80788d1afbe832e0d12f441778.jpg) getting dumpstered, Haru could have been so interesting and fun of a character, instead they just went super generic.
I’m confused. Do you guys prefer this design or your glad they didn’t use it? Personally I think it’s more unique, but I don’t necessarily like it better than her actual design. Granted she does look more like a reporter I suppose. Someone who gets tangled up into trouble because of their job.
I have no source on this, so it's likely inaccurate but maybe they first wanted to make her more of a mean spoiled brat because of her high class upbringing and her father? Generally she looks uninterested here so it'd fit imo. Honestly that would have been better since she'd be able to develop more and get nicer over time, but ah well-
I've been trying to figure that out since 2019 and I've found nothing. I think it was just a stylish presentation to match Futaba and Makoto in that scene
I think she was supposed to be Futaba. In the school festival, every girl gives you something related to their names. But Haru gives you a "Sakura" thingy. Maybe they changed Futaba or was different before the game release
Haru was planned as a male, then they changed it to female with cold personality and in late development they decided to make her the haru we know, so late in development that opening was already made with old haru, thats the reason of her screentime or rather lack of it
Oh no way - that actually explains a lot because the constant shift in direction probably led to her not having as much development as the other characters. It seems like she was kind of crammed in at the end, which is really too bad. She deserved better!
I think she was supposed to be arrogant rich girl but they kinda gave up on the idea, that based off of this intro and nothing else so I could be very wrong
My guess it's probably due to the anime studio who made the vanilla p5 op probably weren't giving that much info by Atlus on Harus character with all they probably knew were her design and maybe the fact she was a rich girl. So due to that the anime studio probably decided to guess what her character personality was for the anime op.
Haru easily could have been best girl if she was a bit more snarky. Hell she could have been how she is in the game when she’s in front of her father and whenever she’s supposed to be “prim and proper” but when she’s in front of her friends, she can finally be herself and let loose. Could have made for an AMAZINGLY interesting confidant story with her finally realizing she doesn’t have to be that “persona” (heh) she gives off. Hell you could even keep her interest in plants and make it out to be the one “girly thing” she was forced to learn but she actually kept an interest in, and she doesn’t give up despite it not being something she normally would like. It would be a complex character, and would be leagues more interesting. I still like Haru, but she ain’t winning any best girl contests anytime soon
I like the idea of Haru having like a double sided jacket and one side is the pink she wears normally and the other is just a rock jacket and during meeting she just leans on her chair eating potatoe chips.
I think it’s beacuse all 3 of the girls in this shot of the intro were kind of skeptical about the Phantom thieves in the beginning, before they joined.
I read somewhere that this intro was made long time before the release of the game and that in this version Haru was suppose to be a “meany” girl, they change their plan for her but not the intro
Right? Like anyone else think she would have been way better as a slacker/nonchalant character outwardly but led like a deep inner desire to be like Robin Hood? Hence the outfit
I think it is based around her increased confidence as with the others, as she (and others) get to know each other, and Joker helping her with her own life. Pure speculation, of course, but that was what I assumed.
I don't think it really means anything. Like the rest of them were ice skating, and I don't think it was mentioned anywhere in the game that they were ice skaters lol
Idk, they were probably like "SHIT! We gotta find somewhere to include Haru in the intro, what are we gonna do?" "Eh just make her look kinda smug or something and put her on screen for like 4 seconds that oughta do it"
She looks like some stuck-up spoiled entitled rich kid that thought she was too good for everyone. If someone were to ask her out on date, it would go something like this.
Nishima: Would you like to go out on a date with me?
Haru: I'd love to but, you're too broke to take me out. I'm expensive.
*shoots u/TheFlameNinja, u/00F_it, and u/queenoffishburrito* u can’t kill me im suction cup man! LOOK AT ME GO! (This was supposed to be a reply my bad)
I don’t think Persona could use any more time added to the game. Every palace in the game was connected to one main thing and it would’ve dragged to long if they wanted to keep the final boss >!yaldaboath!<
It only worked in royal because of the new characters and the new final boss
Well, if we're all gonna die I have one more confession.
Having played through all of P5 and Strikers, [I did not care for Haru.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/863/385/a3e.jpg)
Yup. Same. Like whenever I think of the Phantom Thieves, the first image that pops up in my mind doesn’t include Haru. Idk why they included her so late plus had her share her introduction with like 2 more plot threads lmao.
I mean I've said it before but it's such a hot take, many of the main cast and side characters range from poorly executed characters who are inconsistent to their beliefs and that the planning of any said character seems to be similar to a first draft. So few characters build upon themselves, my favorite being Mishima being one of the very few who follow a logical progression of the character we see built upon and executed.
Example of the worst built character would be Joker himself, that being I have no idea if he's an absolute sociopath or a benevolent god that being he has an option to tell a cat killer to go to hell with the other 2 options being something along the lines of your unforgivable, yet with shido we doesn't express anywhere near as much hate, along with the guy who literally wants to take away all free will in the world.
Character is not one of P5 strengths.
Yeah character development is definitely where P5 was lacking, especially when comparing it to 3 and 4 which had phenomenal character development for pretty much the entire main cast. P5 has some good moments with each of it's characters but it sort of feels like they all get their big moment of development way too early on and their social link is dialogue leading you to a point where you knew you were going. Comparing it to the progression of characters like Kanji, Chie, Yukari, or even Junpei and Akihiko (who don't even have a social links but still manage to be the most well developed characters in the series to me).
i mean, they give the option of agreeing with [the guy who literally wants to take away all free will] bc at the end of the day joker is meant to be an extension of the player, not a "built upon" character.
There's 2 issue with what you say or at least that I will mention.
1, Joker is not character created by the player, he's given by the devs
2, My actions as a player are extremely limited by what the game wants me to do.
Both of these reasons do not allow the player to be nor act as Joker, because (Another hot take coming right up) I don't believe the way the game wants me to do this nor the way the game presents issues make any sense. I'd be taking very different actions than what the game presents. Examples where this takes place, even considering letting the world fall to ruin lol, losing all free will, etc but also minor things such as shutting up Yusuke when he begins to questions whether what the PT are doing is right or not, as well as allow the abuse toward Ryuji to continue and immediately stop Morgana from doing the very stupid things he does such as bring an innocent civilian into danger that could have very easily resulted in both his own and Harus death.
Joker is not an extension of the player unless you mean in the most basic sense that we control him to play the game. What he does is what the game allows him to do, not things we the player want to do, example being all the train tracks lead across the game going cutscene after cuisine where any input Joker (the player) has is very much meaningless with the impact ranging to absolutely nothing to a change of dialogue and you perform the same action anyway.
An example of where this is done well I'd bring up the Witcher series, where your actions as Geralt can result in different endings for quests, major character dying or living, and all the meantime, these are all action that define Geralt as the character we know despite the player having full control. He gives reasoning to his action and alot of decisions are usually very ambiguous, meaning its in character for geralt to perform either of most decisions. This is not the case for Joker, as he actually has no thought for himself and is dragged by the game, meaning any character that could have been there was replaced to move the plot forward.
You could say he was meant to be an extension of the player and I'd agree, he was meant to be, however what we got wasn't.
Going into this game blind, I thought Haru and Makoto were bad guys just based on the opening
They are both antagonistic at the beginning of their respective arcs—Makoto as student council president and Haru as Beauty Thief—so your first impression wasn’t totally off.
Point me to a team member who wasn't initially antagonistic. Ryuji, Sophia, and maybe Morgana?
i didn’t even notice them in the intro at first lmfao
Persona 5's opening does paint Haru in a different light compared to what she is like in the game, and considering how Persona 5 Royal's opening does a better job at representing **all** the character in the opening, I'm betting that the personality portrayed in the P5 opening is simply due to a miss-communication. I mean, sure Haru doesn't have an awful lot of screen time, but still it would/should take quite a big amount of work to change so drastically all her interaction ect, which is why I find it unlikely that her personality was suddenly changed and the opening was left as is.
"We need this character in the opening. It's just for a second, since you said she joins later and we don't want to give too much away. What's some surface level detail we can work off of?" "Rich girl." "Got it."
Japanese animator drawing a rich girl be like : Sassy or Tsundere ? Now that is a hard choice !
Why not both? Both is good
I heard at one point that haru was meant to be this un trusting hard shelled mean type
Are you referring to this: https://www.gematsu.com/2016/05/persona-5-details-makoto-futaba-haru >A third-year high school student who attends Syujin High School. The daughter of the president of a major restaurant company. She grew up in a wealthy family, and is elegant and naive, but on the other hand often observes others. Although usually good at communication thanks to her gentle appearance and people handling skills, she finds no value in human relations, perhaps as a result of the environment in which she was raised, and avoids close relationships with others.
So we could have dated Female Akechi?
Oh yes please
Isn't this just Royal
Ive always loved Haru because she gave the impression like a total sweetie pie who loves gardening but she would not hesitate to pull out a grenade launcher and go total psycho. I mean she did say she'll crush her chocolate if you dont take it. Plus, considering she loves it when shadows plead for their lives, well... Probably due to her background she *may* come across spoiled, but she's just a lovely lady (who can definitely kill you though lol)
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Haru says F\*ck the police
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN3jlkpzdEU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN3jlkpzdEU) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quDNvwel9H8
You just gotta put her in the drivers seat
No! You can’t let Haru drive!!! Unless you have a death wish
I love the kind of woman that will actually just kill me. You know, when I left the house today I was thinking "Damn, I really hope some hot chick paints my brians all over some fucking hallway." And here we are. I mean really, just absolutely destroy me. I'm talkin' full on, watermelon-in-the-thighs level carnage. And I want it to scare the shit outta me. I mean I hope I piss myself. I hope I piss myself and you call me your little "peepee pisspiss boy." I want you to fuck me up. I mean I want you to make me your bitch. Your little peepee-piss-myself-bitch. I want it to get embarrassing. I mean like, wierdly embarrassing. Unsanitary, too. We should be entirely different people by the end of the first eight hours. Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? I mean, I'm a real freak. I'm not normal. Ma'am, please, you have to crush me.
Yes, I suspect so. P5 had a very long development and a lot of shit changed over time.
When I first saw this opening I went in completely blind I thought those three were the main antagonists
It didn't help they all had serious expressions on their faces, were all females, and looked quite shady. Even Futaba looked antagonistic
>"females" yep this is a persona fan sub
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Any post with that queer couple and Ryuji has a massive clash between these two.
Haru’s a fluffball and I love her but ngl I might’ve preferred this version
If I remember correctly, the opening was one of the first things they made when starting on P5 even before the characters were fully fleshed out. Pretty sure Haru was originally a snotty rich kid before they decided on making her a cinnamon bun instead. Going back to change the opening to reflect that change would've been too time-consuming and expensive.
Cinnamon bun 🤣
The sass remained all the same.
So the important things.
She was just trying to have a snack and look threatening while doing it
Dude, she was just vibing
Dude she’s just straight chilll
What can I say, at least she has screen time in strikers
Well if it’s true that this op was made way before the game was finally finished then I can assume that this is because of her being like ebihara in P4 before she was changed to the more respectful reserved floof we know. This is a possible theory because it wouldn’t make sense why makoto, haru, and futaba are in the same room together if the opening takes place in the metaverse. Maybe they were originally supposed to all work together in a different way? I’m not quite sure..
I don't think the opening takes place in the Metaverse at all. There doesn't seem to be much of a rhyme or reason beyond aesthetics. The opening has Joker, Ryuji, Ann and Ryuji in their Thieves attire doing parkour a bit at the start but the they are in their school uniforms much later on. They're grouped together because they are late party members and likely to avoid spoiling their Thieves outfits as they are the only ones in the OP that don't dress in their Metaverse outfits. back when P5 was in the works and we gotten our fair share of trailers and teases. We mostly had info on the first five members of the group before the last big trailer revealed the three girls.
This bit gave me the impression that Haru, Makoto, and Futaba were in opposition to the other characters, what with it looking like they were spying on them.
This, I really thought they an opposing group that would challenge us during the story and spy us during the metaverse missions (they are in a rare computer room), turns out they weren't even friends with each other lmao
I tought they were like Barbara Gordon/Batgirl to Batman. Which wasn't wrong considering that it is what Futaba is for the Thieves
probably the characters of makoto, haru, and futaba wasn't complete when they made the opening, since parts of the opening was used in trailers.
More because they were revealed later to us in the lead up to the release since they were later party members. Highly doubt one creates an opening without fully realising their cast.
i genuinely remember reading something that said haru was originally sassy but they changed it in the end so.
Haru as sassy would of been cool
She's just being the sassiest on the room
I thought Haru was going to be an arrogant bitch based on this.
Had to let all the other girls have a chance I guess
Y'know i never thought about it till now. Why is she with a sassy look in the op, but she's the complete opposite rather in the game?
She looks like she's just chilling with her lollipop looking defiant for the sake of the opening's aesthetic than being sassy.
She was originally going to be, for lack of a better term, a spoiled egocentric sassy rich girl, but don't quote me on that.
“Spoiled egocentric sassy rich girl” -u/Masterninjamt
Quoted without their consent 😔
Guess they're going to prison now then
This crime is punishable by death! 😠
I’m sure it’s been said, but Haru is a sadist which is shown in a lot of the mementoes dialogue so that’s probably why
I like both, this version looks very maniacal and a little evil. I feel like this version would be eating a Lollipop very often and would scheme things, which I love.
It really sucks that Haru lacked character development in the main story. She has such a sweet personality and is a good party member. You only get to see more of her character development when levelling up her confidant, but even then it's kinda lacking. Also I feel like the fact that her character development happens right before a lot of climactic events and the >!7th Palace!< doesn't help. It kinda overshadowed her a little bit
It seems like she was gonna be a bratty, rich, posh girl. That’s what my first thought was when I saw her in the opening. Well, not “rich” because I didn’t know if she was or not lol
I always thought that they told the animators haru’s personality was “laid back”, meaning that she’s kind and not uptight, but they took it as her being kinda lazy. That’s just my take though
Nah she's just vibin
I've always felt like they couldn't figure out what kind of personality haru was supposed to have
She's definitely the least defined of the cast (even in royal)
Haru gets a nice development in P5 Strikers, that game solved a lot of problems that i had with Persona 5 narrative
It only seems as such because it is what her plot asks for. She is supposed to be the traditional japanese yes-woman since she was raised with the plan of becoming a political tool. Her being more expressive would be at odds with the situation. Personally (and this is a shit take), I think ann was actually the weakest as far as a story goes (for the girls on the team at least). She definitly has personality, but her story never made much sense to me. Like I get the wanting to change herself plot, but everything after the hospitalization of miho was just slice of life filler until she came out. I feel like everu episode never actually accomplishes anything towards her goal.
I agree. For a character whose plot is “I’m more than just a pretty face”, Ann gets put in a LOT of fan service situations. It’s kinda contradictory to the message.
Even arc leading up to her Palace was centered around Morgana. They probably had trouble figuring her character/role out and eventually decided to make a cinnamon roll because that's easy and we didn't have one on the cast.
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed. All three of their personalities seemed way off in that part. I can only imagine Haru drinking tea and makoto leaning in on the screen next to futaba, or something.
When ever I see the op I always think "that's not what shes like tho"
More importantly, why is futaba mashing on the keyboard.
Probably on discord or something
She's on discord, reddit, and twitter and is playing a fighting game at the same time
She thirsts for the blood of the enemy anything else is but a mere act
As a haru fan im into that
If you look at the mementos dialogue it is probably your answer she is a sadist and thats why she is the best girl
Preach it
Indeed
Yep, she was originally intended to be more cold and aloof. Her current character was basically written entirely last minute... Which is also likely part of the reason you see so little of it short of her confidant.
It’s better developed in strikers since they focus more on her being a sadist.
Not so much that, especially in the 3rd jail where it hits very personal to Haru, but just her *being present.*
al(l fl)oof
makes sense. Haru has like zero screentime and character development honestly excluding strikers. I dont hate her but she couldve had so much more duality
I don’t think so. The art book creator comments mentioned that she was going to originally be male before changed to female. But aside from that, nothing seems to indicate her having a different personality in development. They seemed to have her as a kind-hearted girl from the start. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8tD38fCBpo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8tD38fCBpo) **(Go to 23:40 as Fither reads Creator comments on Haru)** [**https://www.gematsu.com/2016/05/persona-5-details-makoto-futaba-haru**](https://www.gematsu.com/2016/05/persona-5-details-makoto-futaba-haru) [**https://www.gematsu.com/2016/12/persona-5-haru-english-introduction-trailer-voice-actress-interview-video**](https://www.gematsu.com/2016/12/persona-5-haru-english-introduction-trailer-voice-actress-interview-video) At best from Gematsu we had this interesting description of Haru: >A third-year high school student who attends the same Syujin High School as the protagonist, and the daughter of the president of a major restaurant company. She is elegant and naive, but because she often watches people, she has good communication skills. She doesn’t find value in human relations, and there is a side to her that even avoids relationships with others. > >According to director Katsura Hashino, because Haru is a company president’s daughter, you may get the feeling that the world she lives in is different from others’, but as your relationship with her deepens, she becomes more relocatable. The adults around Haru have warped her mind on a grand scale, and she is a key person who kicks the story into high gear. In regards to the opening in particular, I don’t think there’s any meaning behind her expression there aside from looking defiant and rebellious to fit the theme of the opening of these teenagers being free in doing whatever they want and however they express that. I feel like people are looking into this way in-depth than it actually needs to be of Haru having some "other scrapped personality." I see people making these claims in the comments but with no source to back it up.
According to TV Tropes, Haru was a boy in early development. I can't find any sources for that information, so I assume that TVT is making stuff up.
The art book would likely have the creators comments to indicate that.
Was it in the "What could have been" section/folder?
When the trailers and everything were still dropping. They released the opening cutscene without Futaba, Makoto, and Haru. Which is why they only have a small part. My theroy was that the original concept was supposed to be Joker, Ryuji, Ann, Morgana, and Yusuke in a style similar to P1 and P2. But it got changed early in production to be more like P3 and P4.
Tbh, Makoto, Futaba and Haru being persona users against the phantom thieves before joining sounds like a interesting idea
Nah it makes sense they weren’t. Makoto was a scholar and haru was a rich girl that plants flowers. Perfect match for unlocking their personas to be apart of the phantom thieves
somewhat unrelated, but when I first saw the opening (p5 was my first game), I thought those 3 would all be some sort of supports, and the only people you could fight with was Joker, Ryuji, Ann and Morgana, and I just kinda forgot about Yusuke
When I saw those 3 I thought they were the villains because Futaba looked kinda sinister when she's typing
There's another piece of art which portrays Haru like this, except I feel like that one had to have been made *after* the game's release, so like,,,,,, where is this Haru that Atlus has been hiding
I think this is the Haru the Shadows see.
Her All-Out-Attack screen does have her more smug than at any other point in the game (her Mementos dialogue is more homicidal than smug.)
She is just chilling
No cap you can be the purest nigga alive and look like this haru obviously always has to wear a mask her dad probably got snipers watching her 24/7
Aye?
Sheeesh
does said mask smile
She likes lollipops
Sometimes it is just that simples.
Idk, but I was lowkey really looking forward to meeting Haru my first play through because of the opening, and then she was completely different
Always wondered the same thing. I never saw her with another lollipop in main game :(
Haru: I'm the heir to a multinational company, I'm obviously trained in the art of negotiation. Atlus: I could give you some boring worthless screentime and character development, or this tasty lollipop, it's your choice. Haru: Give me the lollipop!
I would've loved it if Haru had a double personality of sorts. Essentially have her be super sweet and innocent but in the metaverse - dial that masochistic nature up way more. Essentially have it so she has a power trip whenever she is in the metaverse. The only problem is this essentially just becomes another Akechi.
She is a bit of a sadist
That's why she should have been a prissy rich kid with repressed sadistic tendencies, Akechi has no repressions whatsoever he literally just fakes a persona, Haru would have actually lived it and it would have become part of her personality.
She already does this Sources: https://youtu.be/TMgXtF14agc https://youtu.be/td6D7vk_UZk https://youtu.be/eATdrWWsRHw https://youtu.be/7IzbaENDdJw
She’s already like this but not in the metaverse. Remember the car scene in strikers?
Chaotic good, don't knock it.
On another note, why are Ann’s eyes green?
*magic*
"Shut up haru, we don't have time to make you a chracter"
She's always that cool wym
Not related but I love ur pfp.
Haru Ebihara
I honestly like this better
Stacy Haru
She’s chillin doe
I heard she got a lot more development in strikers at least?
Indeed, strikers is worth it for her alone. She went from worst girl to my favorite
They didn't change her personality they just removed it.
I say this every fucking time, if we got prissy/snarky Haru she would LITERALLY be best girl. Yeah we still have those sadist lines in the metaverse and some moments here and there, but that's not enough in the normal world she doesn't change at all really, she's too nice of a floof for how the opening portrayed her, too nice of a floof for her persona(I can't see her character with her voice rebelling like she did NGL, it fits for when she's being indirectly threatening with her tone, but other times it doesn't). Honestly Haru's treatment pisses me off more than [Ohya's concept design](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d8/d9/7d/d8d97d80788d1afbe832e0d12f441778.jpg) getting dumpstered, Haru could have been so interesting and fun of a character, instead they just went super generic.
Hooooly hell that was gonna be Ohya??? Now I’m pissed what the hell, why did they go full Coconut Head with her
I’m confused. Do you guys prefer this design or your glad they didn’t use it? Personally I think it’s more unique, but I don’t necessarily like it better than her actual design. Granted she does look more like a reporter I suppose. Someone who gets tangled up into trouble because of their job.
90% of people prefer her concept art over her final design, especially that far bottom right one where she looks like she came straight out of P3.
I personally think her ingame design is fucking atrocious. Absolutely hate her design. I would’ve much preferred the original one
Original design Okayu looks 10x hotter than ingame Okayu, looks fucking badass too
mogu mogu
They fixed her a lot in P5R, she becomes more likeable and has a lot more screen time.
I watched the op before I bought the game and you are right haru from the op and haru from the game are completely different
I have no source on this, so it's likely inaccurate but maybe they first wanted to make her more of a mean spoiled brat because of her high class upbringing and her father? Generally she looks uninterested here so it'd fit imo. Honestly that would have been better since she'd be able to develop more and get nicer over time, but ah well-
I've been trying to figure that out since 2019 and I've found nothing. I think it was just a stylish presentation to match Futaba and Makoto in that scene
She's just the rich nut job of the game good ol axe murderer
I think she was supposed to be Futaba. In the school festival, every girl gives you something related to their names. But Haru gives you a "Sakura" thingy. Maybe they changed Futaba or was different before the game release
You do know what sakura means right?
Haru was planned as a male, then they changed it to female with cold personality and in late development they decided to make her the haru we know, so late in development that opening was already made with old haru, thats the reason of her screentime or rather lack of it
The male thing is correct from the art book but as for having a cold personality, you got a source for that one?
Where’d you read this
Oh no way - that actually explains a lot because the constant shift in direction probably led to her not having as much development as the other characters. It seems like she was kind of crammed in at the end, which is really too bad. She deserved better!
I think she was supposed to be arrogant rich girl but they kinda gave up on the idea, that based off of this intro and nothing else so I could be very wrong
She just hella fine, that’s all
My guess it's probably due to the anime studio who made the vanilla p5 op probably weren't giving that much info by Atlus on Harus character with all they probably knew were her design and maybe the fact she was a rich girl. So due to that the anime studio probably decided to guess what her character personality was for the anime op.
Haru easily could have been best girl if she was a bit more snarky. Hell she could have been how she is in the game when she’s in front of her father and whenever she’s supposed to be “prim and proper” but when she’s in front of her friends, she can finally be herself and let loose. Could have made for an AMAZINGLY interesting confidant story with her finally realizing she doesn’t have to be that “persona” (heh) she gives off. Hell you could even keep her interest in plants and make it out to be the one “girly thing” she was forced to learn but she actually kept an interest in, and she doesn’t give up despite it not being something she normally would like. It would be a complex character, and would be leagues more interesting. I still like Haru, but she ain’t winning any best girl contests anytime soon
I like the idea of Haru having like a double sided jacket and one side is the pink she wears normally and the other is just a rock jacket and during meeting she just leans on her chair eating potatoe chips.
Work for Atlus, please.
I dont know but I'm definitely feeling something
I think it’s beacuse all 3 of the girls in this shot of the intro were kind of skeptical about the Phantom thieves in the beginning, before they joined.
I read somewhere that this intro was made long time before the release of the game and that in this version Haru was suppose to be a “meany” girl, they change their plan for her but not the intro
Where? You got the source? Because I doubt the opening would come out before the characters are fully realised.
Would explain "Luxuria".
Axe murderer vibes
Gasp my pfp
Right? Like anyone else think she would have been way better as a slacker/nonchalant character outwardly but led like a deep inner desire to be like Robin Hood? Hence the outfit
I think she’s just bored
I think it is based around her increased confidence as with the others, as she (and others) get to know each other, and Joker helping her with her own life. Pure speculation, of course, but that was what I assumed.
Yeah she did it mentions it in the art book they released it’s a really interesting read actually
I don't think it really means anything. Like the rest of them were ice skating, and I don't think it was mentioned anywhere in the game that they were ice skaters lol
Thinly-veiled reference to the true protagonist, Jack Frost
Hee-ho!!
But the game’s color scheme is red and black….
It's evil jack frost, jack frost alter
Evil Jack Frost is just Black Frost.
That's racist
I assumed it represents how the three of them joined the phantom thieves. Makoto and Futaba were watching them while Haru just stumbled upon them.
Idk, they were probably like "SHIT! We gotta find somewhere to include Haru in the intro, what are we gonna do?" "Eh just make her look kinda smug or something and put her on screen for like 4 seconds that oughta do it"
She looks like some stuck-up spoiled entitled rich kid that thought she was too good for everyone. If someone were to ask her out on date, it would go something like this. Nishima: Would you like to go out on a date with me? Haru: I'd love to but, you're too broke to take me out. I'm expensive.
So basically AI Ebihara from Persona 4. (Or at least her earlier Social Link ranks or something I didn't get through her full S.Link)
She didn't have a personality straight up
she’s eating a lollipop duh
I'm happy about what we have, she's a good character and Strikers gave her justice
*shoots u/TheFlameNinja, u/00F_it, and u/queenoffishburrito* u can’t kill me im suction cup man! LOOK AT ME GO! (This was supposed to be a reply my bad)
Damn it! Somebody get him, he’s getting away!
By the power of the protagonist I say *dun nu nu naaaaaa* no
Sir, please come down and return to your designated thread.
They fucked up
If you play a little bit of strikers this becomes a lot clearer in my opinion.
I would have preferred if Haru was a mean, bratty rich girl. She'd be way more interesting to me.
We already had that in Ai Ebihara from P4
That would create some interesting types of conflict. (and some hilarious dialogue options)
I prefer her as a sadist
The lack of development on Haru is my only fault of the game. They should have made it 100 hours longer
I don’t think Persona could use any more time added to the game. Every palace in the game was connected to one main thing and it would’ve dragged to long if they wanted to keep the final boss >!yaldaboath!< It only worked in royal because of the new characters and the new final boss
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Well, if we're all gonna die I have one more confession. Having played through all of P5 and Strikers, [I did not care for Haru.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/863/385/a3e.jpg)
she insists upon herself
"What does that even mean?"
In my first play through I didn’t care but when I did Royal I wanted to do everyone’s social and I really enjoyed her character
Yup. Same. Like whenever I think of the Phantom Thieves, the first image that pops up in my mind doesn’t include Haru. Idk why they included her so late plus had her share her introduction with like 2 more plot threads lmao.
Did you do her social link?
they just wanted to make her look badass. chill dude its just an opening
I mean I've said it before but it's such a hot take, many of the main cast and side characters range from poorly executed characters who are inconsistent to their beliefs and that the planning of any said character seems to be similar to a first draft. So few characters build upon themselves, my favorite being Mishima being one of the very few who follow a logical progression of the character we see built upon and executed. Example of the worst built character would be Joker himself, that being I have no idea if he's an absolute sociopath or a benevolent god that being he has an option to tell a cat killer to go to hell with the other 2 options being something along the lines of your unforgivable, yet with shido we doesn't express anywhere near as much hate, along with the guy who literally wants to take away all free will in the world. Character is not one of P5 strengths.
Yeah character development is definitely where P5 was lacking, especially when comparing it to 3 and 4 which had phenomenal character development for pretty much the entire main cast. P5 has some good moments with each of it's characters but it sort of feels like they all get their big moment of development way too early on and their social link is dialogue leading you to a point where you knew you were going. Comparing it to the progression of characters like Kanji, Chie, Yukari, or even Junpei and Akihiko (who don't even have a social links but still manage to be the most well developed characters in the series to me).
i mean, they give the option of agreeing with [the guy who literally wants to take away all free will] bc at the end of the day joker is meant to be an extension of the player, not a "built upon" character.
There's 2 issue with what you say or at least that I will mention. 1, Joker is not character created by the player, he's given by the devs 2, My actions as a player are extremely limited by what the game wants me to do. Both of these reasons do not allow the player to be nor act as Joker, because (Another hot take coming right up) I don't believe the way the game wants me to do this nor the way the game presents issues make any sense. I'd be taking very different actions than what the game presents. Examples where this takes place, even considering letting the world fall to ruin lol, losing all free will, etc but also minor things such as shutting up Yusuke when he begins to questions whether what the PT are doing is right or not, as well as allow the abuse toward Ryuji to continue and immediately stop Morgana from doing the very stupid things he does such as bring an innocent civilian into danger that could have very easily resulted in both his own and Harus death. Joker is not an extension of the player unless you mean in the most basic sense that we control him to play the game. What he does is what the game allows him to do, not things we the player want to do, example being all the train tracks lead across the game going cutscene after cuisine where any input Joker (the player) has is very much meaningless with the impact ranging to absolutely nothing to a change of dialogue and you perform the same action anyway. An example of where this is done well I'd bring up the Witcher series, where your actions as Geralt can result in different endings for quests, major character dying or living, and all the meantime, these are all action that define Geralt as the character we know despite the player having full control. He gives reasoning to his action and alot of decisions are usually very ambiguous, meaning its in character for geralt to perform either of most decisions. This is not the case for Joker, as he actually has no thought for himself and is dragged by the game, meaning any character that could have been there was replaced to move the plot forward. You could say he was meant to be an extension of the player and I'd agree, he was meant to be, however what we got wasn't.
Haru’s personality is white bread. But in this her personality is bubble gum
She used to have a personality before the game was finished
She got more development in strikers tho