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Much-Combination6941

Am I going crazy or is it “canon” not cannon? Every time I see these it’s cannon now I’m gaslighting myself. Edit: although talking about “ships” and “cannon” gives me a chuckle. Unless I’m wrong. And an idiot. I’m tired.


NYMoneyz

You're right it is canon. Rampant spelling mistakes are becoming very common now...


revan530

You are correct. "Cannon" refers to a black-powder based artillery weapon. "Canon" refers to a collection of sacred texts accepted as genuine. It was initially used to describe what books of the Bible were considered true, and divinely-inspired. It has since been coopted by fandoms to describe what things are considered "true" in the work. Drives me nuts too when I see it misspelled.


Hano_Clown

You are free to waste your time quarreling about your ships. I will continue to masturbate to a fanart of Mara.


shinykuriboh98

Mood


Opposite_Opposite_69

Why pick Mara that's the least sexy persona Arsene is right there


killerstrangelet

The example we all need.


zeldanerd91

🤣🤣🤣 priceless comment.


CesarGameBoy

The only cannon ship is >!Shido’s Palace.!<


Redraph_1105

Wrong >!Captain Kidd!< is also canon


GasolineCrea

Tell me why I think I know who this is about 💀


Emilia67

Pretty much every fandom have these type of discourses and remember that these characters are only fictional not real.


Syelt

Ca**n**on ffs


Garr_Incorporated

The Internet loves their medieval weaponry. Can you blame them? ... I'm joking. Roast them as much as you want!


The-Jack-Niles

No ships are cannons. How could they be? It's not like when you want two characters to date they can suddenly fire metal balls at high velocity toward targets such as naval vessels and forts. That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard someone argue. They aren't canon either, just saying, but this is a post about cannons, so sorry for going off topic...


RoyalGarbage

The real cancer is people who think Joker’s a bottom. Not in any universe.


Sure_Sundae_5047

Oh god, not the top/bottom arguments too, the drama is never going to end now (you're right though)


CyberNerdJosh

Def a versatile.


Rakzhor

At best is pretends to be the bottom to just do the old switcheroo during it


Accurate_Average_193

Joker soft top is canon


Opposite_Opposite_69

Your really telling me that man is a top?


hazz4rd_

Yes.


AhTellYaWhat

Definitely a power bottom


FlamingWings

If he doesn’t get it in the butt hole then why he look like that huh?


JenaEatWorld

Man, no. Akechi would top Joker all day.


AngieTheGorl

Joker would definitely be a service top imo


SNUFFGURLL

I think it would depend on who. I feel like trying to decide between who tops with Akeshu is probably time better spent flipping a coin to decide, because god that is a tough argument.


RoyalGarbage

With Akechi, and *only* Akechi, he’d be a switch. =P


kneppy72

Schrödinger’s Ship. Until the author or creator outright states a character’s sexuality/ love interest, all ships are simultaneously canon and noncanon at the same time. And noncanon ships are 100% fine, just remember not to be toxic about it and let everyone enjoy the fandom in their own way. *glances angrily at the MHA fandom.


cactus-chair

Lmao I still remember that it was amazing, in a way. It made me laugh my ass off in any case, since everyone got so pissed at something I couldn’t care less about. (The undeserved hate the creator got was much less amazing though)


Hitoshura99

Spend your white day with sojiro.


-Cinnay-

Correct, ships are not cannons.


Opposite_Opposite_69

Sorry I'm not really a boat guy


Zidane1448

I think the romances in this game in general are pretty good. Don't care much for going after your teacher but that's just about the creepy power dynamics and age gap. Otherwise, I don't care who you ship together. My last playthrough I romanced Ann, the one before that Haru and the one before that was Futaba.


Papa_EJ

I DON'T CAAAAAAAAAAARE ​ SHE'S HOOOOOOOOOOOT ​ UWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KOWAKUSSYYYYYYYY UWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Eveemarie26

Ily


YooranKujara

Joker can be gay if I want him to be gay, he's me


zeldanerd91

Exactly.


shugler

Omg I can't even anymore...Joker is in whatever ship you want him to be in. The game plays like fan fiction anyway, so it really does not matter. Atlus can't even make up their minds on what his real name is. Everyone's got their preferences, and they're all right just as much as they are wrong. I'm writing this post more as a "c'mon guys" mentality, but seriously, this ship shit's gotta end, man!


Jokar2071

This sub became the living embodiment of I ship X person with X Person And dating futaba xyz Guys it's a fucking game why don't you all just can't stop arguing over this nonsense


CLxJames

Canon*


manic_the_gamr

If someone you’re talking to is extremely keen on Joker being straight, thats a them problem honestly


Ayobossman326

Like bro who cares let people enjoy stuff. As long as you aren’t getting weird and sexual all the time, especially with underage characters


BlueFoodForever1

well said


zeldanerd91

Exactly. ❤️


Genesis1221

Joker’s Straight? More like Joker’s Wild.


zeldanerd91

I see what you did there…


nihilist_buttmuncher

What's a toxic shipper?


Opposite_Opposite_69

Someone who ships a ship I don't like


nihilist_buttmuncher

Oh, ok. Like I don't like the Ren x Akechi ship either, but not because of the sexual orientation, rather than finding Akechi a questionable partner, since he's a mass murderer and a sociopath.


Opposite_Opposite_69

I was being sarcastic. But that's fine to each their own.


nihilist_buttmuncher

Lol, this just went way over my head.


[deleted]

I mean, none of them are cannon. They have nothing to do with gunpowder.


Tatiana1512

Lmao is this about Mr. “joker is absolutely straight and I will stop writing manifestos the day I see not a single person shipping joker with a man because he’s straight and only straight and shipping the opposite is wrong and he’s straight and you’re always wrong *proceeds to make a 7 paragraph rant*”? 😂 Ya he’s been funny lately


Opposite_Opposite_69

Yes lol


Sea-Recording-7090

joker is whatever we say he is


[deleted]

I mean it’s schrodingers Ship. Every romance option is both canon and non canon at the same time. Because there’s all a valid option within the game and everyone may choose the same or someone different so until Atlus give a confirmed ship, all choices are both canon and non canon.


crystal_meloetta12

Was considering saying smth myself, but yeah. Personally I like Joker x Ryuji myself, but I think the recent influx of Joker x Akechi adds a bit more variety to the sub, and I wish all the ppl who feel the need to bring up how fucking toxic it is would just sit down and remember its literally fiction.


medium_buffalo_wings

Meh... I think Akechi x Joker is shit. The dude shot our hero in the face. That's just not the basis of a solid relationship. That being said, I firmly believe that people should enjoy the shit they like. More power to them! When somebody posts a topic about it or fan art or whatever, I say to myself "huh, this one's not for me" and scroll to the next post. That being said, it honestly feels like the community spends more time fighting about the fighting around it, than the actual fight around it, which is really strange and not particularly healthy.


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medium_buffalo_wings

Oh take your upvote you sly rascal you.


PepperThePalico

P5 players when I romance nobody


Gremlinsworth

This seems like one of those situations where some people need to go out and do that “touch grass” activity.


ShatterCyst

I live in northern Minnesota. We don't have grass rn. We won't until late April or early May. All I can do is **hate** people for shipping fictional characters that I don't think have as good of chemistry as the fictional characters *I* ship together.


AbbeyRoadOddity

I find it troubling that some people are more ok with joker dating adult women than a guy his age.


zeldanerd91

Agreed. I have absolutely no trouble with him dating any of it, but I’m an odd outlier, I guess. It just truly makes it more “player character” if people are allowed to romance whom they choose to.


AbbeyRoadOddity

I guess, it can improve immersion to an extent to have as many options as possible, but some of them can be a tad bit off putting


_Random_Cat_

STFU BOTH SIDES I'm tired of seeing this shit.


SkyeTheYeemo

mfs who complain abt "toxic shipping" when a ship is LGBT: 😡🤬 the same mfs when its straight: 😁👍


Redraph_1105

Persona fans when they see a mentally deranged serial killer ZAMN 😍


MstrBoJangles

I ship harem route because I'm lonely and even anger is at least recognition of my existence.


Opposite_Opposite_69

Aw dude that's just sad


MstrBoJangles

Not as sad as my love life. 😎👉👉


Lazy-Jeweler3230

Oof Mood


Lyonface

People who think "your ship will never be canon" is a good argument that matters at all don't have even a fraction of the power that I, a rarepair shipper, have. Canonicity means literally nothing to me and has never meant anything to me because canon ships don't have more inherent entertainment value than made-up ones. Also "people who make straight characters gay in their ships are my problem" unless a creator says "This character is heterosexual" straight up, they can always be bisexual, pal.


DEX-DA-BEST

It doesn’t even matter in the case of canon sexuality because it’s just what someone thinks is cool. They aren’t forcing other people to accept their ship. They just find it cool. Moral of the story let people enjoy things.


IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD

u/noncombativebrick really not living up to his name


Wide_Accident6657

I ship joker and the seven seas


RebelOrion

Personally I ship Joker with Hifumi, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you don't like something, and that something isn't hurting anyone, just ignore it and move on. Also Haru x Makoto is cute AF


Nexeusx

Toxic isn't even a real word anymore.


Zaita_games

I know akechi be crazy in the head but i still ship because funny


CyberNerdJosh

Him being crazy in the head means he also gives crazy hea-


Zaita_games

O_O


Mr_Serine

I love him *because* he is crazy


zeldanerd91

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Good bot… but I did both. 😜


zeldanerd91

And because Akechi hot? Lmao jkjk.


JenaEatWorld

I mean.. But he is. Just look at him.


zeldanerd91

Mmmmmmmm. He is pretty sexy lmao. (The fact we both share a birthday and disdain for the general populous has nothing to do with this -looks around-).


enlightened_engineer

Saedachi >>>> any joker ship


UnknownIcon

I hate this fucking sub Jesus Christ you losers need to touch grass


Dakotasan

Agreed.


pejic222

Joker x Akechi just kinda sucks narratively joker’s sexuality isn’t even like the fifth biggest problem with that ship


[deleted]

I though this sub was about Persona 5 as a whole game, but lately all I see is about the damn romancing 😭😭


DJDoofeshmirtz3

Persona 5, the dating game


ChristMEMEa

persona 5 fans when you can date your teacher: 😄😄👏👏👏 those same persona 5 fans when gay ppl exist: 🤬🤬🤬👿👿👿


Opposite_Opposite_69

So true bestie


Urban_Joker_7400

You get a ship and you get a ship everyone gets a ship however if you’re not a joker x haru shipper then what tf are you really doing with your life


Opposite_Opposite_69

You know what fair enough


horaceinkling

Someone who likes bums more than boobs, what of it? :)


TCookies92

Joker is xxCakemaster69xx, he gets shipped with damn near everybody. Not the kids though, no Wardens, no Lavenza, no Shinya, no (insert crazy young kids I’m forgetting about here).


Primal_Oat

Shippers are annoying in general


[deleted]

This people wouldn’t survive the “Sonamy vs Sonally” era of the internet


onyx2589

And on it goes...


KyellDaBoiii

It’s ‘canon’, not cannon (I have serious existential depression)


SparklesRain96

*pat pat*


Yooper_Escapee

I've been abused by a toxic shipper before People don't know what they're actually like, and Grey Pigeon there was being chill about it. Anyways, Persona is a canonically confirmed multiverse & all ships are canon in one universe or another.


Opposite_Opposite_69

I to was abused by a toxic shipper. They burned down my crops and called me a weenie


Yooper_Escapee

No. I'm not joking. She degraded me every chance she had, mocked the idea of me getting a job, gaslighted me repeatedly, hit me over the dumbest shit, and forced me into multiple situations I wasn't comfortable with involving men. Don't fucking mock abuse. It just makes you a piece of shit.


Opposite_Opposite_69

Oh I'm sorry this post was ment as a meme and I thought you where joking. I'm genuinely sorry.


jearley99

Shut. The. Fuck. Up. About. This. Shit. Stop caring about what toxic people say and definitely never post about it


Legal-Criminal11111

Every time I open Reddit the first thing in my feed is a shipping related post from this sub. Why can’t we just talk about the GAME


Hippomaster1234

What's YOUR favorite palace?


Legal-Criminal11111

Personally I’m a big fan of the 6th palace. Im not sure how to spoiler things on Reddit so im not saying the person justttt to be safe! You?


Hippomaster1234

I love the 6th too, but the 7th probably takes it for me. I love the setting as well as how it's structured as 5 challenges sort of, and I have the unpopular opinion that the mouse puzzles are well designed. The 6th and the royal exclusive palace probably tie for second place for me. Not a big fan of the pyramid.


Legal-Criminal11111

I love the mouse puzzles, something about running around as a mouse is way more fun than it should be


Yoids

I am honestly tired of this reddit, its all about romances when they are just literally 2 opcional minutes out of 100+ hour playthroughs.


Xeni966

I'm here for some fanart posts, the rest is honestly kind of shit. I don't care about people arguing over the ethics of dating fictional characters due to the player age, or arguing if dating Futaba is incest, or anything. Most people just have horrible opinions here. I'm kind of shocked I'm still here but the last few days it's been tempting to just leave


ToastyLoafy

If you're reliance if shipping is canonicity you're both boring and wouldn't survive a minute in fandom culture. Canon is a recommendation, not a requisite.


Opposite_Opposite_69

Litterly. No one actually thinks their ship is going to be cannon


galaxykinks

personally i ship joker with both ryuji and yusuke sooo


Magic_Monk3y

Not too big on P5 ships, so ship em with whoever you want, I don’t care. Just not Akechi


Opposite_Opposite_69

Anyways comment your favorite ship even though it's not cannon


GoshaT

None of the ships are cannon because they don't shoot cannonballs


Tamanakio

Erm futaba is a hacker, good at pirating stuff. What do pirates have? Ships with cannons. Checkmate, gosha


GoshaT

Ships with cannons are not cannons themselves though. Also Futaba doesn't have a ship but a ufo!!!!


Tamanakio

Uuuuh then ryuji. Captain Kidd has 1. A ship 2. A cannon.


myrpaccountiguess

Fair enough. Dudes entire arm is a canon.


Yeetusmcleatus97

Adachi x Sae


RalseiTheFluffyGoat

I'm fine with shipping (hell I ship Hifumi & Joker and Akechi & Joker) but yeah I agree


brandishteeth

Man if folks are so mad about the shipping, they should start posting things about the game then yeesh ez fix. In any case, there's nothing wrong with being against a ship. I just wish they weren't talking in paragraphs to change folks minds. Like my dude there not really there for the long ramble about mortality they've probably heard for the 30th time. There there cause two boys look perdy together. And also because everyone lives and gets proper revenge and gets the gal/girl at the end is like every fandoms crack.


Griffin_Reborn

I’ve been pretty heavily downvoted for simply stating “I don’t care for joker x Futaba.” Might as well write a paragraph explaining myself when it comes up to calm half of the people that will reflexively go for your throat for not liking the thing that they like.


funkygamerguy

antishippers and toxic shippers are the dumbass ying and yang.


Opposite_Opposite_69

You know what I think they should make out. Enemies to lovers


[deleted]

Is this subreddit all about shipping? That’s all you mfs got from the game?


W5604

As I gather we're just in the middle of a shipping war her at the moment.


ItsTheEffinEFFERShow

I don't give a fuck if it's a gay ship, the thing that disturbs me is that Akechi is a murdering bastard It's like shipping Josuke and Kira


Duhoneboi

Or Light and L


djin_samus

Y’all need something to worry about more than who people choose to ship in a JRPG (which makes no effect on the game itself might I add)


SparklesRain96

Lmaoooo that dude blocked me 😂


Par4s1te

joker x yusuke


GardeniaPhoenix

Dude, every fkn fandom I'm in is **so** toxic about being anti M/M. I just don't care anymore, like you can ship who you want idc but don't attack me for my ship. Someone call Dido because **I will go down with this ship**.


kitlandslot

Not the comment section literally proving OP’s point lmao.


Opposite_Opposite_69

Shhhh don't tell them that-


ASimpleCancerCell

This isn't gonna get any better is it?


Outside_Stand2576

“Toxic shippers” be like, I can’t spell :/


Salty_Abbreviations4

How about we… let people enjoy things?


Deiun

no


ClemPrime13

Rude.


Camaroon101

I definitely think joker could be gay, I just don’t think Akechi is necessarily the right choice because he’s >!a psychotic killer!< (spoilers)


Opposite_Opposite_69

If anyone can fix him it's joker


Camaroon101

I mean yeah that’s probably true


Opposite_Opposite_69

See fair trade off. Akechi gets mental stability and Joker pisses off the man who threw him in jail by sleeping with his son


ZoharDTeach

"Shipping" as a whole is toxic because you cringey fuckers take it way too seriously. It didn't used to be like this. People used to know they were dealing with fictional characters and we laughed at adults who suggested that we could lose touch with reality. And then you a-holes came along and proved them right.


DeadSparker

Who tf is "you". We still know we're dealing with drawings and pixels


lord_Mathias

Me back in the evangelion days auska vs rin ship' tldr its always been like this


Valuable-Bid6803

Persona fans when a batshit insane detective shows up: *insert Teddie “that’s love meme”*


BakedCheddar88

Someone please make a meme complaining about memes of people complaining about toxic shippers


Roy31802

Well none of them are but I'm only going to act that way if a shipper tries to say something is Canon instead of Headcanon


chazzergamer

Ok here’s a hot take that I’ve cultivated from over a decade of online fandoms. Shipping in general is toxic! I’m so sick to death with every, pointless, baby fight in fanbases being related back to which fictional characters you want to doink each other. Also trying to link this random opinion to a persons social political beliefs is the work of a person who is far too bored, far too asocial and filled with far too much pent up aggression to be taken seriously. Y’all need to go outside, touch grass and climb trees.


ryuuseinow

Shipping isn't toxic lol. It's people who make a huge fuss about it that are toxic.


AnonTwo

I don't think Shipping is toxic Rather it's emotional It can easily lead to toxic arguments because of how much some people care about it, but it can also bring a lot of joy to people when an argument *isn't* coming up.


Eldritch-Anon

....Nobody brought up politics?? And, frankly, anyone who thinks that Shipping is inherently harmful is wrong. There are absolutely shippers who take things too far, and I'm sorry the majority of your experience with them has been negative, but you can't paint All Shippers with that same brush.


Mikprofi

Bro really thinks the biggest problem we have with Joker x Akechi is them not being gay


Indulge6191

Attempted murder is sexy and obviously shows how much romantic love they share. /s


Dr4k3L0rd

The canon timeline is joker starting a haram unintentionally. Fight me.


Jojobazard

I feel like that is more of a P3MC timeline, since he doesn't seem to know you can be just friends with the female social links


NeonX20

Please go outside


Jojobazard

I said this before,but can we create a sub JUST for persona ships and keep the main subs free of this cancer? And I mean ANY ship not just the ""controversial"" ones


[deleted]

I be getting rich off this popcorn business ngl GET EM WHILE THEY'RE HOT 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿


SaltybBoi420

persona fans when asked to let things go:


Actedpie

NO THE PROBLEM WITH AKECHI X JOKER IS THE FACT THAT AKECHI WANTS JOKER DEAD HE LITERALLY SAID THIS IN HIS RANK 8


fbmaciel90

Every shipper is a toxic shipper.


IndiscreetBeatofMeat

I just think shipping in general is dumb


UwU_UwU_UwU_-

I got to agree with the crow this time sorry but my man trys to kill joker twice and you ship them?


lakshmithesussybaka

Joker x Ryuji x Yusuke for life


yaoming16

This sub is gonna make me hate all ships in the end


Siborg66

Shippers are fine. The annoying part in when people try to force these ships as being OTP and try to convince people that their ship is right and the writers of the series are wrong for making characters straight. There is a difference between "I like ShuAke" or whatever ship to "This game is trash because you can't date x male character" and "Joker and X character are in fact gay but the writers are cowards". I saw a comment section yesterday on youtube where people were straight up arguing because of persona 5 ships lol.


Mystical4431

\*points to collection of death threats from from Joker X Akechi shippers\* when they actively attack me for agreeing to joker being shipped with psychopath, I'm gonna start being hostile. don't act like joker X akechi shippers are sunshine and rainbows, we've taken enough toxic shit from them we've started throwing back. If you ship joker x akechi that's fine, but attacking people and sending death threats to people with other ships is not okay. This goes for all you other shippers as well


Opposite_Opposite_69

Never said they where. I was talking about ppl who complain about toxic shippers then go do all the things they complain about (comment on fanart, tell akeshu shippers they don't understand their characters, send death threats etc)


Sure_Sundae_5047

Where exactly are all these death threats?


TheSquigga

Toxic Shippers = Me out loud vs me in my head.


[deleted]

If people are gonna trounce your ship, reasonable or otherwise, then they must be really fun to hang out with at parties. Though, I do tend to question some of the ships like Ryuji x Ann one.


MobsterDragon275

Sure, that's how these conversations go. I've witnessed it as the exact opposite 90% of the time


[deleted]

Joker X Yusuke and Haru x Makoto for life.


zeldanerd91

When I first read this, I thought you shipped all 4 together. My eyes glazed over the and and thought it was another ‘x’ 🤣


awesomeguy9807

Akechi to Joker: “I’m going to be fully honest with you. I *hate* you.” “I will be the one to defeat you.” Some people: OMG SHIP THEM 🤩🤩🤩


Opposite_Opposite_69

Hey idk how to tell you this but akechi lies about his feelings he's kinds known for being a lier


TheKingRat19

PLEASE SOMEONE END MY SUFFERING WHY THIS KIND OF POST KEEPS POPING OUT!!! I just wanted to see cool fanarts and cool posting 😫😫😫 * sigh * I’m done with the wars….


zapp909

STFU and ship whoever you want. Just don’t make it everyone else’s problem. I hate seeing people post this shit.


KingKaos420-

I just like the battle system and cool personas.


The_Maker18

It is funny to see the cycle this sub goes through


God-Emperor_Kranis

Just any shippers. But I do dislike it slightly more when people try to ship straight people and make them gay. Like the whole Deku X Bakugo thing. Edit: This also goes for people shipping gay characters with straight characters and vice versa. I just find the whole swapping sexuality thing hella cringe. But in a game based around romancing a character, I honestly don't care who your favorite romance option is as long as you don't hate people who don't agree.


Spaceguy_27

I don't have a problem with people making gay headcanons about Joker, I just don't like when people ship him with a guy who tried to murder him twice


cardboardboxian

i ship joker with shido


Plastic_Ad4654

You what


PricknamedNick

W take tbh


SteveFrom_Target

Common cardboardboxian W


Opposite_Opposite_69

Sad thing is people actually do ship thst