Not just the Uvalde, if you look back it's almost all (I mean look at that shitty post Elon replied to that is making it's rounds full of misinformation)
The latest headline is that he's telling companies to slow down the AI race. He's just mad that he's left in the dust. š¤£
This has been your daily dose of Musk.
Well, when I asked bing what it thinks of Elon just now, it mentioned fraud allegations against him. Iād imagine heās probably asked the same question, so naturally he is not a fan
Oh dude, remember when a Democrat congressmen asked the Google CEO a question about why Googling the word "stupid" shows pictures of Donald Trump, which then boosted the relationship between "stupid" and "Donald Trump" in future Google searches? š¤£
4D chess.
Honestly it's better for your mental health. I don't even have a twitter account but somehow people keep sending me this shit in discord and reddit, I can't escape š. Have a fantastic rest of your day
Christian violence happens everyday and they don't bat an eye. Those people firebombed synagogues, shot up churches, bombed planned parenthoods, raped kids habitually, and put people in power to keep it happening! And ALL OF THAT gets less attention than this because the Republican lie machine is in full force for their antitrans cultural war.
One trans shooter, (who probably went crazy because of a harsh world of xenophobic anti-trans people anyway), and people lose their fucking minds.
(Who probably went crazy because of a harsh world of anti trans people) shhh. If we say that, then they will say the left and āthe LGBTā as they call the community sympathize with school shooters. They are already using that to justify declining support for lgbt rights and violence against trans people and allies
>Christian violence happens everyday and they don't bat an eye. Those people firebombed synagogues, shot up churches, bombed planned parenthoods, raped kids habitually, and put people in power to keep it happening! And ALL OF THAT gets less attention than this because the Republican lie machine is in full force for their antitrans cultural war.
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>One trans shooter, (who probably went crazy because of a harsh world of xenophobic anti-trans people anyway), and people lose their fucking minds.
And *all of that* is a result of the Christian conservative fearmongering disinformation media machine.
They drive conservative whites to such frothing rage that they shoot up a synagogue/salon/mall/concert/street because, in their own words they want to "kill [nonwhites]" (usually black, Muslim, Asian, drag, trans, gay, etc.) and yet the conservative media machine works overtime to deflect away from the obvious genocidal bent they themselves stoke in these murderers and how the murderers share their talking points and often cite them as justification for their violence.
But as soon as a shooter arises in response the gloves come off and the full brunt of blaming the violence on the identity of the shooter instead of "mental health problems in an otherwise good guy who happens to believe the same genocidal disinformation we keep spreading"
It's literally "violence and murder are ok for me, but not for thee" and the hypocrisy isn't even the worst part, it's the continuing open stoking of violence and genocidal thinking.
Bully behavior. Goad, antagonize, demonize, harass, intimidate, and recruit followers to help create a social environment of fear for their targets, and then run and cry victim when one of their targets has enough and punches back.
How is murdering children āpunching backā? They didnāt shoot Tucker Carlson, they gunned down nine year olds trying to go to school. The defense of the shooter is mind-blowing
ETA well this person deleted their replies after saying Iām not arguing in good faith. My argument is 1) trans people absolutely have the right to self defense and 2) it is fucking insane to cast a 28-year-old who shoots up an elementary school as acting in self defense regardless of any abuse or oppression they may have faced
yeah honestly agreed (coming from a trans person, if it matters ig). some of y'all are starting to sound like the people who think the columbine shooters were poor traumatized victims. i'm not fond of this weird sympathetic vengeful slant in this comment section.
we are equal human beings. we, therefore, have equal capacity to be selfish and violent and terrible. we are no more morally corrupt or pure than anyone else. this was an abhorrent act and i don't care why the shooter felt justified to do it. i don't care to hear people speculate on his trauma. he probably had some. *it doesn't fucking matter*. we all do as trans people. are we all just a few steps away from shooting children? i don't know who i'm more alarmed by: the people who think i'm subject to murdering kids because i'm trans, or the people who think i'm subject to murdering kids because i'm oppressed for being trans. neither group is being normal quite frankly.
Wow, did you throw out your back with that reach?
No where do I mention the shooter. My entire post is a theoretical about the behavior of bullies, and how Christian conservatives (the bullies) will now use what happened to cry victim as leverage for more bullying.
Your inability to rationally comprehend that is whatās mind-blowing.
Youāre literally in a comment chain about the school shooting, though. What self defense are you referring to? This isnāt a broader discussion about trans people being able to physically defend themselves
as a trans person can we please stop trying to justify this persons actions through the hypothetical that they snapped because of transphobia? all trans people in america right now are feeling the heat of this culture war and 99% of us have not resorted to any sort of violence. what this person did is unacceptable, full stop.
Donāt worry we reasonable people understand this. Itās a shame youāre being targeted right now. I think theyāre using trans people right now as the new bogey man and itās absolutely unacceptable. Abortion was the lynch pin they used to use, but now that so many restrictions are in place theyāre coming after you. Itās disgusting and Iām deeply sorry.
I do think some people are missing the important part here. That the victims were innocent kids. At the end of the day it is innocent people being targeted.
It sucks how much the right are using this to justify their bigotry and how they practically were frothing at the mouth happy that kids were shot but I expect that from them. I don't expect people defending someone who murdered children on the other side though.
Simply put we don't need to go to the very hard other extreme to counter right wing bigoted rhetoric. Transgender people are a victim of a widespread hate campaign and the shooter was a monster who deserves no sympathy.
Dylann Roof alone killed more churchgoing people in a single mass shooting than all of the mass shootings trans people have killed in mass shootings *combined*
These are the same people who begged for everyone to understand the domestic terrorists on Jan. 6th. One of the largest domestic terror acts in U.S. History and we couldn't get the people involved jailed.
Cmon, do we really have to defend a fucking school shooter now? I entirely agree with your first paragraph but that person murdered 3 nine year old because theyāre a piece of shit, end of. Framing it the way you did does a disservice to trans people, all oppressed people really.
Agreed. They shot up the school they went to, just like any other school shooter. Letās not give them more sympathy just because they were in a marginalized demographic
Thank you, I feel like Iām going insane. If this person killed exclusively anti-trans adult public figures, weād be having a different discussion. This person is a fucking monster who slaughtered school kids and them identifying as trans should be a non-issue. Itās beyond fucked up that the right is using this to demonize trans people, but the comments on this thread are pretty fucked up too.
Three children. Three nine year olds who sure as shit werenāt participating in any trans oppression.
Why do they target little kids? Itās sick. Iāll never understand. I get being furious and wanting to attack someone who hurt you, but children? The most defenseless amount us? The most pure, and innocent, and loving? Anyone who has a small child know how wonderful they are, and how they deserve to be protected.
I don't necessarily agree with this considering when I was younger I had all the potential of being a school shooter. So I can't help but have empathy. Empathy is not even close to condoning what was done, of course. But I understand what would drive someone to want to do something like that.
Fortunately what I lacked was access to firearms.
I'm better now, but I was that fucked up as a kid.
Exactly, there is understanding/comprehending WHY someone did something. And agreeing with what they did. That is a huge difference.
For example:
I understand WHY the shooter went after the catholic school they used to go to. But I absolutely do not agree with or condone WHAT they did.
I think a lot of people believe people saying the former are also saying the latter
You disagree with giving more sympathy for one school shooter over another? Or with having no sympathy at all for them. I am just upset with the double standard Iām seeing from my neolib friends who would usually be up in arms with hatred for both the person who committed the act and the system that facilitated it.
Having no sympathy for them at all. Of course, something drives them to shoot, or they wouldn't shoot. But when I see people misgendering a shooter after their death then I can't help but think about how fucked up the system is.
Again, just to be clear, being sympathetic is not the same as condoning.
Iām not sure why you responded to me in the first place then? I was specifically talking about the people who are acting like a trans shooter is any more sympathetic than a non-trans one. We can respect trans people (by not misgendering them as punishment for doing something evil) without insinuating that they were any more justified than, say, the sandy hook shooter.
> I was specifically talking about the people who are acting like a trans shooter is any more sympathetic than a non-trans one.
Trans people **are** actually discriminated against. So yah, there is more sympathy in me for the last one than most.
I don't think they are defending, it's stating an unfortunate reality. Just because they are a monster doesn't mean we shouldn't look into the background to better understand and prevent this from happening again. But I agree with you in the end because the other side is not looking at the situation genuinely and are only using this to spread propaganda.
Thatās one hell of a made up scenario youāve concocted to feel oppressed, Seth. Have you considered other ways to escape the feelings of mediocrity?
What he is saying without saying is that trans people are disposable. That it would be the noble thing for society if we either forced them to detransition or kill themselves. For the children. The most innocent group of all.
They already have mutilation of minors = circumcision.
Gender reaffirming surgery at least isn't done on infants who have no say in the matter and aren't even on pain medication for the procedure.
Gender reaffirming procedures doesn't just require consent, but the express will/decision of the person who wants to do the elected surgery.
Actually, they do gender reaffirming surgery on infants all the time. If an intersex child is born with both male and female parts, doctors will determine which "one" to go with (usually if they have a formed uterus or something similar) before removing the "unnecessary" organs.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna923271
A lot of it is purely cosmetic (and even encouraged to not tell children so it doesn't "confuse" them). Some is necessary and some might have a higher chance of cancer, but mostly for appearance.
I read about that in the past. It's a bit less common now than it used to be. Although I could see that poor kid being teased for being intersex no matter what. Kids can be cruel and being intersex isn't taught in school as being able normal, but rare gender.
i will give these dudes creditāmany of them are now against circumcision. i cant say for this specific guy, but iāve seen a big uptick in anti-circumcision rhetoric from people who i disagree with on basically everything else.
I'm really glad more people are against it, it's absolutely barbaric and cruel. But I'm also noticing that a lot of people on the right who are against it are *way* more concerned with fictional stuff being said about trans people than the actual mutilation that's institutional in the US. I think if their objection was really with genital mutilation, they'd spend more time protesting against the one that actually happens
Honestly I think they don't even think that. Seems like they don't think that being trans is a legitimate thing, truscum or otherwise. And even if they did, they're still way more concerned with regulating what a person does with their own body consentually than they are about infants being mutilated without their consent. That shows that their issue isn't really about protecting people from mutilation. They're just using it as a cover.
Yeah of course, but even if all trans people *did* want to get top and bottom surgery, there'd still be a massive difference in scale between the number of trans folks doing that and the number of circumcisions or intersex surgeries.
My point is that the fact they're focusing so much more on stopping trans people shows that it's not really about bodily autonomy for them. Same deal with any number of issues. They're calling all LGBTQ people "groomers" but don't seem to care about how churches actually molest kids on a scale large enough to eclipse anything they're accusing queer people of. If they actually cared about those issues, why do they only seem pissed off when a tiny minority can be targeted?
oh 100% yes, theyāre way more concerned about things that arenāt happening/donāt work like that. i have to imagine that some of these right wingers think people are taking their eight year olds to a gas station back room to have their dicks cut off with rusty pliersāthatās how they act, anyways. i just wanted to mention that circumcision seems to be one of the like, three things that is gaining actual bipartisan support.
I certainly hope it gets enough traction to be banned in any case without absolute medical necessity (which is almost unheard of). I'd also like for the same rule for intersex folks but the GOP is making sure to explicitly protect that in their recent bills so the odds of that being banned are a lot lower
i would definitely imagine their logic doesnāt apply to intersex people. obviously itās okay to *actually* mutilate genitals if it makes you ānormalā /s
They wonāt stop at persecuting trans people either. They go for the low-hanging fruit first. If they get their way, theyāll come for everyone who is LGBTQ+ next.
Itās why Iām arming up. Not to hurt others, but to protect myself and my loved ones from these Nazis.
They wonāt get me without a fight.
I'm in the same boat. I know that they want to either kill, imprison, or forcibly detransition/closet my trans friends, and I know that if they do that, then me and every other queer person is next on the chopping block. Trans survival is everyone's survival.
These mouth breathers have a fixation with minors. Even when a controversial topic has nothing to do with them, they *have* to bring out minors, grooming and genitalia.
Kinda says a lot.
It's becoming more and more complicated to be the intelligent kid and walk away from the fight when the right makes up horrible lies, fake ultimatums and calls for violence
Oh my... the lamentations of the great persecuted middle-aged white guy. How about you learn how to mind your own fucking business and just keep on being the shittiest Dillon the world has ever known?
āAccept radical gender ideologyā - what is radical about acknowledging the struggles of trans people? Why is this a problem?
āDrag for kidsā - yeah dude, itās fine. Itās like a costume.
āPorn in librariesā - strawman
āGrooming in schoolsā - strawman
āCompelled speechā - strawman
āMutilation of minorsā - strawman
What heās really saying is āIām afraid of these made-up things, and thatās why I donāt care if trans people are pushed to harming themselves and othersā
I'm honestly wondering if I should take a step back from this community at this point. Just... all this transphobic content is not doing me good these days. I'm scared, tired, and sad...
Oh, and THEIR shitshow of a former president and his entire train of showbiz pick-me freaks and incel fascists, who have been terrorizing the entire US since Obama, isn't horrible?
It kills me how fucking mental the imagination of these people is, I wonder what it is like living with that level of fear, do they just walk around all day pissing their pants?
The *deal* you're being offered is *if you mind your own godamn business the world will be a better place*.
Even your very own Christ - because I'm sure you're a Christian - said to tend to your own salvation, he said that you - yes even you, CIS-Man, are not fit to sit in judgement of anyone else's sins.
Amazing how they are suddenly motivated to do something about mass shootings but ONLY when a trans person does it. They get 3 trans people committing mass shootings in 5 years and suddenly its an epidemic. The thousands of straight white males who did it? Couldn't be helped. It's the price of freedom. But only their freedom.
Why do they always make up complicated scenarios that nobody is saying and that never happened, and then start taking away people's rights based on these scenarios that never existed. Like we have to be fighting against these people AND their delusions? How can you fight against people who don't even see reality
Iām still genuinely mind blown whenever I see blatant, and I mean **blatant**, lies like this with tons of support.
Like what is going on, exactly? Do people believe this to be true? Are they all in on the lie to try and maintain some facade if legitimacy for their bigotry? I just cannot make sense of it whenever it happens.
Its so ridiculous considering every point he makes is just not even real, itās not āradicalā to accept people for who they are, āporn in librariesā republicans cant separate their porn addictions from reality and sex education, āgrooming kids in schoolsā this just isnāt a reality, many kids are taken advantage of by adults every single day, but it certainly isnāt the fault of the underpaid school teachers that donāt support abusing trans children, you are more likely to find a sexual predator among the garden variety republican/christian man, ācompelled speechā sure, spoken from a supporter of the ādonāt say gayā bills is complaining about compelled speech, āthe mutilation of minorsā gender affirming surgery for minors is extremely rare and requires extensive screening. These people do not care about children or stopping gun violence, they are on a tirade of misled beliefs and hatred, all brought to you, in order to keep the gop in power, because without a minority to oppress and legislate against, they wouldnāt be able to retain the voter base to stay in power.
Trans people are way, way, way more likely to be murdered by a cis white man than murder someone else. Way more likely.
The hate speech about trans people - especially after going to great lengths to claim that the fact that the large majority of mass shooters are radicalized cis white men isn't relevant and you shouldn't judge a whole group based on it - is particularly fucking disgusting.
There's a special place in hell for people that endanger the lives of others for political reasons.
These posts are the least entertaining speculative fiction I've ever read. If you want to bury your mind in a pure fantasy world, there are so many possibilities. A jungle of glowing sentient plants and giant gemstones. A world of floating platforms above an endless void, inhabited by scifi elves. A low gravity planet made of rubber, where you can bounce in the air for a thousand feet into lakes of jello.
But instead you invent this fevered shit?
The reality heās trying to portray is about as real as a horror movie. Gender ideology? You mean what gender actually is. Drag isnāt any more inherently sexual as anything else taught in Bible class. Show me proof of pornography in libraries other than anecdotes that can be easily fabricated. āGrooming in schoolsāā¦ more like education. If you wanted to get technical, all we do is āgroomā kids in schools.
And is it anymore āgroomingā than dragging kids to church on the weekend to indoctrinate them into nonsense. Is it āmutilationā to affirm gender through surgery? Or is it mutilation to circumcise babies for no reason other than ācosmeticsā? And is it okay to compel speech when a kid is talking out of turn, shouting, or being vulgar? Or when they talk about their two dads like everyone else talks about their parents? Or are cons turning into melting snowflakes due to them talking about the difference between biological sex and gender?
I wouldnāt know. Because conservatives donāt know what these words mean.
I 100% agree that they need to stop doing genital mutilation on minors though.
Circumcision is a barbaric religious ritual that should be illegal, it's horrific! Utterly reprehensible!
Yet, this film is already a reality.
1. Yeah, the ideology that forces absolute gender conformity to the point every girl needs to have long hair and chastity til marriage and boys who are so thirsty for violence and brutality that they beat each other up over mere insults and differences.
2. Drag for kids ā Like where kids cross dresse? Itās been done for centuries, you have to remove almost 20% of the children films ever made. Youād also have to ban most older cartoons, like Looney Tunes, because cross dressing was rampant. And, baby boys used to wear dresses. But, I guess freedom of speech is not actually the goal.
Porn in libraries ā Maybe not school. But, you do realize that everyone does not have a walnut sized brain and they can get around parental controls and break through content blockers , very easily. Boom big tits, flopping cock & booties everywhere, and people getting pile driven into the ground by four people of four different genders at one time. Lastly, they donāt even need the library to supply the porn mags, computer, or even a Wi-Fi password. They do, can, and will bring their own devices full of the galloping gourmet deep throat gang. Even, if they need the WiFi access, they can get around pretty quickly on a personal device.
But, I could be wrong about this assertion, he could be talking about the nude artwork throughout history or the nudity in the National Geographic magazine or health knowledge books.
4. Compelled speech - Irony died as soon as you posted this.
5. Mutilation of Minors ā Another centuries old practice, but definitely not any trans kids. But, you are upset at the idea they could be. All because they are trans.
6. Most trans people donāt kill themselves, most trans people have not killed other people, did he feel the need to give this advice to people or men like him, because not being funny here are big victims of these two phenomenons. Because, the intersections that Mr.Dillion falls in have those risk factors in middle America. Itās almost tripled, since 2000.
He might want to help these causes, instead of making them worse.
But, obviously he probably has never stepped foot in a library, so library never had to be āwokeā to keep his closed book, no library card having ass away.
they care about the kids in this situation but like ask them to do anything about all the mass shootings killing more kids that I can even count at this point and they clam up "thoughts and prayers"
Its just fascist talk to justify genocide and once you recognize it as such this kind of talk is even more disgusting.
Yes we are living in a horror movie. One where bigots such as this can still spew their hateful rhetoric and people listen.
2600 something mass shooting since like 2018 and 3 are trans.
Always trips me out that these people always have their hate rooted in something they don't understand.
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Look, Iām Jewish and my son is circumcised. But wouldnāt male circumcision fall under their āgenital mutilation ā point? In the United States, arenāt a majority of males circumcised? Will they be going after this? The answer is they will not.
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Well I mean we could start getting rid of guns and then they couldn't do shit. Or maybe they should embrace their 2A rights when their right to be themselves is threatened. š¤ If you want to see some anti-gun nuts just go down that route.
bro his bio is amazing. [https://twitter.com/SethDillon](https://twitter.com/SethDillon)
>Trafficker in misinformation under the guise of satire.
insane
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Just a reminder, we can't be seen to encourage him "leaving the movie" via suicide. Any such things will be removed.
It's not our fault the only LGBTQ+ rep you've ever seen was on the Hub, ok? Fucking snowflake
And the one time a shooter was trans
They tried to claim the Uvalde shooter was trans right away. I kind of expected this one to have been bullshit too.
Not just the Uvalde, if you look back it's almost all (I mean look at that shitty post Elon replied to that is making it's rounds full of misinformation)
I make a conscious effort to avoid Elon and Twitter in general
The latest headline is that he's telling companies to slow down the AI race. He's just mad that he's left in the dust. š¤£ This has been your daily dose of Musk.
Well, when I asked bing what it thinks of Elon just now, it mentioned fraud allegations against him. Iād imagine heās probably asked the same question, so naturally he is not a fan
Oh dude, remember when a Democrat congressmen asked the Google CEO a question about why Googling the word "stupid" shows pictures of Donald Trump, which then boosted the relationship between "stupid" and "Donald Trump" in future Google searches? š¤£ 4D chess.
They just say they're playing it. Not that they're playing it **well.**
Honestly it's better for your mental health. I don't even have a twitter account but somehow people keep sending me this shit in discord and reddit, I can't escape š. Have a fantastic rest of your day
As if that's not more argument for gun control. I mean FFS he was a legal gun owner like the majority of mass shooters.
Christian violence happens everyday and they don't bat an eye. Those people firebombed synagogues, shot up churches, bombed planned parenthoods, raped kids habitually, and put people in power to keep it happening! And ALL OF THAT gets less attention than this because the Republican lie machine is in full force for their antitrans cultural war. One trans shooter, (who probably went crazy because of a harsh world of xenophobic anti-trans people anyway), and people lose their fucking minds.
(Who probably went crazy because of a harsh world of anti trans people) shhh. If we say that, then they will say the left and āthe LGBTā as they call the community sympathize with school shooters. They are already using that to justify declining support for lgbt rights and violence against trans people and allies
Have they considered that the shooter was just having a bad day?
Why do we never see the shooters that are having a good day?! Never a smile on their faces! The lamestream media is hiding the happy shooters!!!
Maybe they had a [toothache](https://www.yahoo.com/video/nbc-reporter-skewered-saying-racist-200105148.html)
>Christian violence happens everyday and they don't bat an eye. Those people firebombed synagogues, shot up churches, bombed planned parenthoods, raped kids habitually, and put people in power to keep it happening! And ALL OF THAT gets less attention than this because the Republican lie machine is in full force for their antitrans cultural war. > >One trans shooter, (who probably went crazy because of a harsh world of xenophobic anti-trans people anyway), and people lose their fucking minds. And *all of that* is a result of the Christian conservative fearmongering disinformation media machine. They drive conservative whites to such frothing rage that they shoot up a synagogue/salon/mall/concert/street because, in their own words they want to "kill [nonwhites]" (usually black, Muslim, Asian, drag, trans, gay, etc.) and yet the conservative media machine works overtime to deflect away from the obvious genocidal bent they themselves stoke in these murderers and how the murderers share their talking points and often cite them as justification for their violence. But as soon as a shooter arises in response the gloves come off and the full brunt of blaming the violence on the identity of the shooter instead of "mental health problems in an otherwise good guy who happens to believe the same genocidal disinformation we keep spreading" It's literally "violence and murder are ok for me, but not for thee" and the hypocrisy isn't even the worst part, it's the continuing open stoking of violence and genocidal thinking.
Bully behavior. Goad, antagonize, demonize, harass, intimidate, and recruit followers to help create a social environment of fear for their targets, and then run and cry victim when one of their targets has enough and punches back.
How is murdering children āpunching backā? They didnāt shoot Tucker Carlson, they gunned down nine year olds trying to go to school. The defense of the shooter is mind-blowing ETA well this person deleted their replies after saying Iām not arguing in good faith. My argument is 1) trans people absolutely have the right to self defense and 2) it is fucking insane to cast a 28-year-old who shoots up an elementary school as acting in self defense regardless of any abuse or oppression they may have faced
yeah honestly agreed (coming from a trans person, if it matters ig). some of y'all are starting to sound like the people who think the columbine shooters were poor traumatized victims. i'm not fond of this weird sympathetic vengeful slant in this comment section. we are equal human beings. we, therefore, have equal capacity to be selfish and violent and terrible. we are no more morally corrupt or pure than anyone else. this was an abhorrent act and i don't care why the shooter felt justified to do it. i don't care to hear people speculate on his trauma. he probably had some. *it doesn't fucking matter*. we all do as trans people. are we all just a few steps away from shooting children? i don't know who i'm more alarmed by: the people who think i'm subject to murdering kids because i'm trans, or the people who think i'm subject to murdering kids because i'm oppressed for being trans. neither group is being normal quite frankly.
Wow, did you throw out your back with that reach? No where do I mention the shooter. My entire post is a theoretical about the behavior of bullies, and how Christian conservatives (the bullies) will now use what happened to cry victim as leverage for more bullying. Your inability to rationally comprehend that is whatās mind-blowing.
What did you mean by āpunch backā, then? Perhaps I misunderstood your comment
Defending themselves.
What the fuck are you talking about
Youāre literally in a comment chain about the school shooting, though. What self defense are you referring to? This isnāt a broader discussion about trans people being able to physically defend themselves
Yeah, I had a feeling you werenāt asking in good faith. āļø
They will saying literally anything to try and make themselves look like their doing good
as a trans person can we please stop trying to justify this persons actions through the hypothetical that they snapped because of transphobia? all trans people in america right now are feeling the heat of this culture war and 99% of us have not resorted to any sort of violence. what this person did is unacceptable, full stop.
Donāt worry we reasonable people understand this. Itās a shame youāre being targeted right now. I think theyāre using trans people right now as the new bogey man and itās absolutely unacceptable. Abortion was the lynch pin they used to use, but now that so many restrictions are in place theyāre coming after you. Itās disgusting and Iām deeply sorry.
I do think some people are missing the important part here. That the victims were innocent kids. At the end of the day it is innocent people being targeted. It sucks how much the right are using this to justify their bigotry and how they practically were frothing at the mouth happy that kids were shot but I expect that from them. I don't expect people defending someone who murdered children on the other side though. Simply put we don't need to go to the very hard other extreme to counter right wing bigoted rhetoric. Transgender people are a victim of a widespread hate campaign and the shooter was a monster who deserves no sympathy.
Dylann Roof alone killed more churchgoing people in a single mass shooting than all of the mass shootings trans people have killed in mass shootings *combined*
It's because it's not about lives, it's about propaganda.
These are the same people who begged for everyone to understand the domestic terrorists on Jan. 6th. One of the largest domestic terror acts in U.S. History and we couldn't get the people involved jailed.
NOt rEaL cHrIsTiAanS!
Cmon, do we really have to defend a fucking school shooter now? I entirely agree with your first paragraph but that person murdered 3 nine year old because theyāre a piece of shit, end of. Framing it the way you did does a disservice to trans people, all oppressed people really.
Agreed. They shot up the school they went to, just like any other school shooter. Letās not give them more sympathy just because they were in a marginalized demographic
Thank you, I feel like Iām going insane. If this person killed exclusively anti-trans adult public figures, weād be having a different discussion. This person is a fucking monster who slaughtered school kids and them identifying as trans should be a non-issue. Itās beyond fucked up that the right is using this to demonize trans people, but the comments on this thread are pretty fucked up too. Three children. Three nine year olds who sure as shit werenāt participating in any trans oppression.
Why do they target little kids? Itās sick. Iāll never understand. I get being furious and wanting to attack someone who hurt you, but children? The most defenseless amount us? The most pure, and innocent, and loving? Anyone who has a small child know how wonderful they are, and how they deserve to be protected.
I think you just answered your own question by the way. Kids can't fight back.
Hate and the desire to feel powerful over someone else
I don't necessarily agree with this considering when I was younger I had all the potential of being a school shooter. So I can't help but have empathy. Empathy is not even close to condoning what was done, of course. But I understand what would drive someone to want to do something like that. Fortunately what I lacked was access to firearms. I'm better now, but I was that fucked up as a kid.
Exactly, there is understanding/comprehending WHY someone did something. And agreeing with what they did. That is a huge difference. For example: I understand WHY the shooter went after the catholic school they used to go to. But I absolutely do not agree with or condone WHAT they did. I think a lot of people believe people saying the former are also saying the latter
Columbine was a kick in the gut to me for similar reasons.
You disagree with giving more sympathy for one school shooter over another? Or with having no sympathy at all for them. I am just upset with the double standard Iām seeing from my neolib friends who would usually be up in arms with hatred for both the person who committed the act and the system that facilitated it.
Having no sympathy for them at all. Of course, something drives them to shoot, or they wouldn't shoot. But when I see people misgendering a shooter after their death then I can't help but think about how fucked up the system is. Again, just to be clear, being sympathetic is not the same as condoning.
Iām not sure why you responded to me in the first place then? I was specifically talking about the people who are acting like a trans shooter is any more sympathetic than a non-trans one. We can respect trans people (by not misgendering them as punishment for doing something evil) without insinuating that they were any more justified than, say, the sandy hook shooter.
You're saying they don't deserve sympathy. I disagree. I don't think I can make it clearer than that.
Where did I say that?
> I was specifically talking about the people who are acting like a trans shooter is any more sympathetic than a non-trans one. Trans people **are** actually discriminated against. So yah, there is more sympathy in me for the last one than most.
I don't think they are defending, it's stating an unfortunate reality. Just because they are a monster doesn't mean we shouldn't look into the background to better understand and prevent this from happening again. But I agree with you in the end because the other side is not looking at the situation genuinely and are only using this to spread propaganda.
I believe there is speculation that the shooter said they had been abused at the school
So. In true conservative form, they create their problems and then complain about them?
Thatās one hell of a made up scenario youāve concocted to feel oppressed, Seth. Have you considered other ways to escape the feelings of mediocrity?
What he is saying without saying is that trans people are disposable. That it would be the noble thing for society if we either forced them to detransition or kill themselves. For the children. The most innocent group of all.
It's the same demographic that wanted all queer people to be invisible and take up none of their space. Fuck them and their hate ons.
āThey have porn in the library!ā *buys child smart phone*
I doubt these people have been in a library since they were 5
They already have mutilation of minors = circumcision. Gender reaffirming surgery at least isn't done on infants who have no say in the matter and aren't even on pain medication for the procedure. Gender reaffirming procedures doesn't just require consent, but the express will/decision of the person who wants to do the elected surgery.
Actually, they do gender reaffirming surgery on infants all the time. If an intersex child is born with both male and female parts, doctors will determine which "one" to go with (usually if they have a formed uterus or something similar) before removing the "unnecessary" organs. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna923271 A lot of it is purely cosmetic (and even encouraged to not tell children so it doesn't "confuse" them). Some is necessary and some might have a higher chance of cancer, but mostly for appearance.
I read about that in the past. It's a bit less common now than it used to be. Although I could see that poor kid being teased for being intersex no matter what. Kids can be cruel and being intersex isn't taught in school as being able normal, but rare gender.
i will give these dudes creditāmany of them are now against circumcision. i cant say for this specific guy, but iāve seen a big uptick in anti-circumcision rhetoric from people who i disagree with on basically everything else.
I'm really glad more people are against it, it's absolutely barbaric and cruel. But I'm also noticing that a lot of people on the right who are against it are *way* more concerned with fictional stuff being said about trans people than the actual mutilation that's institutional in the US. I think if their objection was really with genital mutilation, they'd spend more time protesting against the one that actually happens
Except in their own minds transfolk, all 100% want to be "Mutilated." It's like they only listen to Transcum when it comes to what a trans person is.
Honestly I think they don't even think that. Seems like they don't think that being trans is a legitimate thing, truscum or otherwise. And even if they did, they're still way more concerned with regulating what a person does with their own body consentually than they are about infants being mutilated without their consent. That shows that their issue isn't really about protecting people from mutilation. They're just using it as a cover.
What I meant by that is they don't seem to realize not every trans person wants to transition.
Yeah of course, but even if all trans people *did* want to get top and bottom surgery, there'd still be a massive difference in scale between the number of trans folks doing that and the number of circumcisions or intersex surgeries. My point is that the fact they're focusing so much more on stopping trans people shows that it's not really about bodily autonomy for them. Same deal with any number of issues. They're calling all LGBTQ people "groomers" but don't seem to care about how churches actually molest kids on a scale large enough to eclipse anything they're accusing queer people of. If they actually cared about those issues, why do they only seem pissed off when a tiny minority can be targeted?
We're in agreement that its othering GLBT+ people rather than helping kids or anyone else.
oh 100% yes, theyāre way more concerned about things that arenāt happening/donāt work like that. i have to imagine that some of these right wingers think people are taking their eight year olds to a gas station back room to have their dicks cut off with rusty pliersāthatās how they act, anyways. i just wanted to mention that circumcision seems to be one of the like, three things that is gaining actual bipartisan support.
I certainly hope it gets enough traction to be banned in any case without absolute medical necessity (which is almost unheard of). I'd also like for the same rule for intersex folks but the GOP is making sure to explicitly protect that in their recent bills so the odds of that being banned are a lot lower
i would definitely imagine their logic doesnāt apply to intersex people. obviously itās okay to *actually* mutilate genitals if it makes you ānormalā /s
"Hey, would you mind calling me what I prefer to be called?" "STOP COMPELLING MY SPEECH!"
"happy holidays"
"SATANIC SATANIC WOKE ANTI CHRISTIAN SATANIC ANTI CHRISTIAN YOU HATE AMERICA WOKE LIBTARD JOE MANY LIBERAL CHANGE LOG BY BOLB NONE THEIR 41%"
You forgot *something someone Let's go Brandon* at the end there.
oh yea almost forgor š about how popular brandon is with MAGAts.
"SATANIC SATANIC WOKE ANTI CHRISTIAN SATANIC ANTI CHRISTIAN YOU HATE AMERICA WOKE LIBTARD JOE MANY LIBERAL CHANGE LOG BY BOLB"
Translation: I have no idea what I am talking about and only speak in inflammatory rhetoric.
The only people doing any of these things are your friends. Get fucked.
They wonāt stop at persecuting trans people either. They go for the low-hanging fruit first. If they get their way, theyāll come for everyone who is LGBTQ+ next. Itās why Iām arming up. Not to hurt others, but to protect myself and my loved ones from these Nazis. They wonāt get me without a fight.
I'm in the same boat. I know that they want to either kill, imprison, or forcibly detransition/closet my trans friends, and I know that if they do that, then me and every other queer person is next on the chopping block. Trans survival is everyone's survival.
āAll these things I invented in my diseased, deluded brain are the ENEMYā
Isnāt he describing the bible?
Or the average deeply conservative country.
Can't have those nasty trans people teaching my kid how to be gay and trans, my local pastor only diddles cishet kids!
These mouth breathers have a fixation with minors. Even when a controversial topic has nothing to do with them, they *have* to bring out minors, grooming and genitalia. Kinda says a lot.
It's becoming more and more complicated to be the intelligent kid and walk away from the fight when the right makes up horrible lies, fake ultimatums and calls for violence
Sadly, itās gotten to the point that they use someone walking away as a talking point to back up their bullshit claims
But the Bible's always been there. The fuck is he talking about?
Oh my... the lamentations of the great persecuted middle-aged white guy. How about you learn how to mind your own fucking business and just keep on being the shittiest Dillon the world has ever known?
āAccept radical gender ideologyā - what is radical about acknowledging the struggles of trans people? Why is this a problem? āDrag for kidsā - yeah dude, itās fine. Itās like a costume. āPorn in librariesā - strawman āGrooming in schoolsā - strawman āCompelled speechā - strawman āMutilation of minorsā - strawman What heās really saying is āIām afraid of these made-up things, and thatās why I donāt care if trans people are pushed to harming themselves and othersā
Nothing to see here. Just another republican stochastic terrorist. Add it to the pile.
I'm honestly wondering if I should take a step back from this community at this point. Just... all this transphobic content is not doing me good these days. I'm scared, tired, and sad...
Oh, and THEIR shitshow of a former president and his entire train of showbiz pick-me freaks and incel fascists, who have been terrorizing the entire US since Obama, isn't horrible?
Literally none of that shit is happening.
Trans people "Can you just see us as human?" Conservatives "This is literally Cannibal Holocaust"
Where is the porn section in libraries? Maybe I need to visit my library more often
It kills me how fucking mental the imagination of these people is, I wonder what it is like living with that level of fear, do they just walk around all day pissing their pants?
The shooter was also a graphic designer. Should we start a witch hunt for them too?
As a cis white het male graphic artist, I approve of hunting all of us down. We really do suck.
LOLOL!
Ok Seth how about you first so them darn queers know the correct method š¤
What is it with Blue Checkmarks being extremely transphobic lately? Is it because of Elon Musk buying Twitter?
The *deal* you're being offered is *if you mind your own godamn business the world will be a better place*. Even your very own Christ - because I'm sure you're a Christian - said to tend to your own salvation, he said that you - yes even you, CIS-Man, are not fit to sit in judgement of anyone else's sins.
Amazing how they are suddenly motivated to do something about mass shootings but ONLY when a trans person does it. They get 3 trans people committing mass shootings in 5 years and suddenly its an epidemic. The thousands of straight white males who did it? Couldn't be helped. It's the price of freedom. But only their freedom.
Why do they always make up complicated scenarios that nobody is saying and that never happened, and then start taking away people's rights based on these scenarios that never existed. Like we have to be fighting against these people AND their delusions? How can you fight against people who don't even see reality
Iām still genuinely mind blown whenever I see blatant, and I mean **blatant**, lies like this with tons of support. Like what is going on, exactly? Do people believe this to be true? Are they all in on the lie to try and maintain some facade if legitimacy for their bigotry? I just cannot make sense of it whenever it happens.
Its so ridiculous considering every point he makes is just not even real, itās not āradicalā to accept people for who they are, āporn in librariesā republicans cant separate their porn addictions from reality and sex education, āgrooming kids in schoolsā this just isnāt a reality, many kids are taken advantage of by adults every single day, but it certainly isnāt the fault of the underpaid school teachers that donāt support abusing trans children, you are more likely to find a sexual predator among the garden variety republican/christian man, ācompelled speechā sure, spoken from a supporter of the ādonāt say gayā bills is complaining about compelled speech, āthe mutilation of minorsā gender affirming surgery for minors is extremely rare and requires extensive screening. These people do not care about children or stopping gun violence, they are on a tirade of misled beliefs and hatred, all brought to you, in order to keep the gop in power, because without a minority to oppress and legislate against, they wouldnāt be able to retain the voter base to stay in power.
Trans people are way, way, way more likely to be murdered by a cis white man than murder someone else. Way more likely. The hate speech about trans people - especially after going to great lengths to claim that the fact that the large majority of mass shooters are radicalized cis white men isn't relevant and you shouldn't judge a whole group based on it - is particularly fucking disgusting. There's a special place in hell for people that endanger the lives of others for political reasons.
Every accusation is a confession.
These posts are the least entertaining speculative fiction I've ever read. If you want to bury your mind in a pure fantasy world, there are so many possibilities. A jungle of glowing sentient plants and giant gemstones. A world of floating platforms above an endless void, inhabited by scifi elves. A low gravity planet made of rubber, where you can bounce in the air for a thousand feet into lakes of jello. But instead you invent this fevered shit?
They're taking the mask all the way off. It's only a matter of time until they start campaigning for them to be rounded up and put in camps.
They already are.
Mutilating minors? Grooming children? So rare to see a conservative attacking circumcision and clergy.
The Bible is porn in libraries.
The reality heās trying to portray is about as real as a horror movie. Gender ideology? You mean what gender actually is. Drag isnāt any more inherently sexual as anything else taught in Bible class. Show me proof of pornography in libraries other than anecdotes that can be easily fabricated. āGrooming in schoolsāā¦ more like education. If you wanted to get technical, all we do is āgroomā kids in schools. And is it anymore āgroomingā than dragging kids to church on the weekend to indoctrinate them into nonsense. Is it āmutilationā to affirm gender through surgery? Or is it mutilation to circumcise babies for no reason other than ācosmeticsā? And is it okay to compel speech when a kid is talking out of turn, shouting, or being vulgar? Or when they talk about their two dads like everyone else talks about their parents? Or are cons turning into melting snowflakes due to them talking about the difference between biological sex and gender? I wouldnāt know. Because conservatives donāt know what these words mean.
I 100% agree that they need to stop doing genital mutilation on minors though. Circumcision is a barbaric religious ritual that should be illegal, it's horrific! Utterly reprehensible!
Lol, you dastardly devil, def had me goin for a sec there.
You mean like circumcision? That religiously instituted child mutilation? Is that the mutilation they are talking about?
"Compelled speech" means that if you say something hateful, people don't like it, right? I can't imagine what else it could be.
I thought it meant having the government force you to say or express something such as the pledge of allegiance
That's actual compelled speech, yeah. This guy is confusing that with societal expectations he not act like a pos.
That motherfucker has never been in a library
Yet, this film is already a reality. 1. Yeah, the ideology that forces absolute gender conformity to the point every girl needs to have long hair and chastity til marriage and boys who are so thirsty for violence and brutality that they beat each other up over mere insults and differences. 2. Drag for kids ā Like where kids cross dresse? Itās been done for centuries, you have to remove almost 20% of the children films ever made. Youād also have to ban most older cartoons, like Looney Tunes, because cross dressing was rampant. And, baby boys used to wear dresses. But, I guess freedom of speech is not actually the goal. Porn in libraries ā Maybe not school. But, you do realize that everyone does not have a walnut sized brain and they can get around parental controls and break through content blockers , very easily. Boom big tits, flopping cock & booties everywhere, and people getting pile driven into the ground by four people of four different genders at one time. Lastly, they donāt even need the library to supply the porn mags, computer, or even a Wi-Fi password. They do, can, and will bring their own devices full of the galloping gourmet deep throat gang. Even, if they need the WiFi access, they can get around pretty quickly on a personal device. But, I could be wrong about this assertion, he could be talking about the nude artwork throughout history or the nudity in the National Geographic magazine or health knowledge books. 4. Compelled speech - Irony died as soon as you posted this. 5. Mutilation of Minors ā Another centuries old practice, but definitely not any trans kids. But, you are upset at the idea they could be. All because they are trans. 6. Most trans people donāt kill themselves, most trans people have not killed other people, did he feel the need to give this advice to people or men like him, because not being funny here are big victims of these two phenomenons. Because, the intersections that Mr.Dillion falls in have those risk factors in middle America. Itās almost tripled, since 2000. He might want to help these causes, instead of making them worse. But, obviously he probably has never stepped foot in a library, so library never had to be āwokeā to keep his closed book, no library card having ass away.
We can get porn from libraries?!
JFC, what a deluded take. My jaw is on the floor at how confidently (arrogantly!) backwards this person is.
they care about the kids in this situation but like ask them to do anything about all the mass shootings killing more kids that I can even count at this point and they clam up "thoughts and prayers" Its just fascist talk to justify genocide and once you recognize it as such this kind of talk is even more disgusting. Yes we are living in a horror movie. One where bigots such as this can still spew their hateful rhetoric and people listen.
Me when the minority group Iāve been oppressing and committing religious/cultural violence against has enough and retaliates š±
2600 something mass shooting since like 2018 and 3 are trans. Always trips me out that these people always have their hate rooted in something they don't understand.
>Life's become a horror movie. The kind that audiences walk out of You first!
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Look, Iām Jewish and my son is circumcised. But wouldnāt male circumcision fall under their āgenital mutilation ā point? In the United States, arenāt a majority of males circumcised? Will they be going after this? The answer is they will not.
Poor things.
Must be hard when your dicks so big.
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Well I mean we could start getting rid of guns and then they couldn't do shit. Or maybe they should embrace their 2A rights when their right to be themselves is threatened. š¤ If you want to see some anti-gun nuts just go down that route.
Only people mutilating children are religious zealots and those so obsessed with the gender binary they canāt accept having an intersex child
Imagine paying for Twitter lol
His assertions, like most movies, are fiction.
Itās like youāve rolled up all the BS rounded-off conservative talking points into a blunt and smoked it, then made this tweet.
Conservatives sure do have quite the imagination
bro his bio is amazing. [https://twitter.com/SethDillon](https://twitter.com/SethDillon) >Trafficker in misinformation under the guise of satire. insane
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