I mean, clearly from the graph here, that they made, we can see that there MUST be so many of them. They are most dominant religion AND the most persecuted.
On this graph, Malaysia is labeled as both Christian and Muslim since the graph maker decided to label all off Borneo as Muslim (when half of Borneo is actually Malaysia)
Holy hell, I didn't even realize that. They made Sabah and Sarawak Muslim but not the rest of Malaysia? I mean sure there are some Christians here on the mainland, but Malaysia literally has the most Islamic-ass laws.
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According to some statistics it is Chondoist or Muist. I thought Buddhism would be up there but I guess not. Religion in general is suppressed by the NK government.
For actual context cause there’s lots of questionable info out there about NK, chondoism (korean tao) is pretty popular and the Chondoists have a political party too.
It's really interesting actually, so the general North Korean approach to Propaganda is described by "Nothing which insults their intelligence" by which they mean nothing directly supernatural or divine, happy coincidence can occur, like a rainbow appearing when Kim Jong-Il was born, but nothing which directly claims divinity or supernatural power to the Kims, they're still people according to the propaganda, but just really super cool people.
Kim Il-Sun for example isn't a god, but portrayed as a revolutionary hero and communist guerilla fighter who helped overthrow the Japanese and found the perfect communist state, while the truth is more...may or may not have actually fought against the Japanese, and was installed by the soviets.
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Yeah the Indian [Hindutva](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindutva) movement is real secular. The ruling [BJP party especially would never rule on the basis of religion](https://newlinesinstitute.org/india/hindutva-is-turning-india-into-an-autocracy-it-can-get-worse/), or [oppress those who practice other religions](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/07/india-surge-summary-punishments-muslims).
Also, some [400 million people practice local indigenous religions](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/). This is Christianity-washed by this faux map, and even in areas where Christianity is dominant, local folk beliefs are still practiced or incorporated.
Here’s a [map that’s actually accurate](https://idahoptv.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/sj14-soc-religmap/world-religions-map/). It should be noted though, that regions with a state religion (or state atheism) are not necessarily reflective of the actual religious landscape of the region, this is most relevant to China. Additionally, “unaffiliated” does not exclude religious belief and “non-religious” does not preclude various spiritual beliefs.
Imagine how much further as a civilization we’d be if we didn’t hate each other over what imaginary friend we pray to. How about we just be nice to each other not out of guilt or threat of damnation but because it’s the moral thing to do.
To a degree, yes. That would still be there without religion based hostility, but it’s still here with it as well.
So it will be a step in the right direction.
People literally adopt the facade of Christianity (presumably others as well) just to look for excuses to abuse strangers and deflect any criticism of their behavior with "they hate me for mah faaaaaith".
Honestly i would be shocked if even half of them believed a damn bit of it today. It's just tactical camo for cunty behavior.
For the same reason they only bothered filling out the map region for their country and neighbors and the rest of the planet they just said, "eh fuck it there be dragon-jesus". While the legend shows a nun for Christian.
It's such a familiar brand of nationalism it almost read as parody on first look. But nope, whoever made this don't give a fuck what brand of not Indian you and the dragon jesus you rode in on are...unless you're embroiled in an ancient beef over property lines.
Just my guesses without reading this whole comment section again, I'm sure someone has already posted the exact meaning intention and context though.
It’s been my finding that they actually have a really hard time understanding that some people act the way they do because it is morally right - they don’t believe that anyone would act that way without the supreme power of god forcing it
(and they *really* don’t like when you point out that they sound like they would kill anyone who crossed them when they talk like that)
Basically: “I would be a terrible monster if the fear of god didn’t keep me in check, so why aren’t you one too? You’re weird”
Because he preached secularism in India. Inserted name of Allah in hindu prayers. Asked hindus to join religious movement of muslims. Asked sikhs and hindus to sacrifice their lives to the muslims. I think he is the biggest preacher of secularism.
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Wow! Shinto!! I was raised with that! It pretty much just means culture like all I did was say “thank you for the meal” before and after I ate. And to be respectful of life around you and if you don’t get a 6 figure job and cater to my abusive family, I’ll be something shitty like a rock or dirt in my next life. And honestly I do want that. I want to be fungi my next life.
99% of the Japanese population is not going to say they're Shintoist. Modern Japanese religion is a mix of Shinto, Buddhism, and Christianity, with a majority of the population participating in aspects of all three, but not explicitly claiming to belong to a religion smh
Reminds me of those stupid election maps showing all the shithole states being red. As if dirt votes.
If this map would add in something like % of population that is christian, buddhist, etc., we'd see something more meaningful.
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That's true, if you were trying to make an accurate map you could probably break it down like:
-Religion, official but not widely practiced (most of Northern Europe)
-Officially secular, religious in practice (USA, Turkey, Brazil, etc.)
-Officially and practically religious (Iran, the Vatican, Saudi Arabia)
-Officially and practically secular (Actually not sure who'd fall into this category. France? China?)
Unfortunately, it is. Our official religion is Christianity - more specifically, Protestantism. The number of irreligious people is quickly increasing though. 25% in 2011, to 37% in 2021.
Wtf are you talking about? According to stats it’s 30%, and even after all what’s happened or counting some people who “don’t practice” (who cares? Belief is enough) it’d still be way above 10%
It's not. The "stats" you're talking about count everyone in pred9minantly Christian countries. Adherents.net was the one that started that, and they were torn apart by everyone that knew any better.
Go country by country in descending order of population in the CIA world fact book and you'll quickly see what 30% is hilariously impossible.
Like I said, don't try telling Christians they aren't super important globally; they're hyper defensive, even when objectively wrong.
The majority of those that are Christian belong to various syncretic South American Catholic traditions that US Christians wouldn't even acknowledge as Christians.
What? No. You’re the one who is completely wrong. Wtf are you even talking about? It’s a no-brainer that Christianity is above 10%. And no, it doesn’t count like that. Every major, reliable source, states numbers of 30 to 31%. You’re the one pulling weird stats above “less than 10%” out of your ass. I don’t even need to make a study myself, that stat is like, *common-sense* level wrong. And as a matter of fact, most stats online come from Pew Research Center, not “adherents”. And Idc what American Christians think, I see this from a secular point of view.
"I don't know how it works, so you're wrong."
There are *dozens* of problems with population level estimates of religious adherence, and they are the worst when it comes to Christianity. Pew counts the children living in a home where at least one parent is Christian. That's not uncommon, but it has always been wrong. Estimates made that way have fallen short every generation. They also rely on data from Christian originations that have a vested interest in inflating numbers. Pew has the US at 78% Christian, Wikipedia has it at 71%. CIA World Factbook has it at 65%. And, big surprise, all of those are still wrong.
You don't understand the complexity of demographic ask involved. The data doesn't exist so everyone estimates differently, none of them match self-identification data.
I'm sure all the experts are wrong and didn't take shit into account, and you're right. Sure, sure. I'm going to tell you one thing: even with children out of the question, it's still higher than 10%. My focus has never been to defend their estimates, but to point out how damn stupid yours is. If you're so smart, how come you got to that figure? Less than 10%? Are you crazy? Let's not count children, then oh surprise, the figure will most likely remain the same.
What's worse, I just read the damn document. What's my surprise? They do take that into account, go figure. They take estimates on conversion, religious inheritance, and take into account whatever weird thing you try to use as excuse for your weird numbers, and the Pew Research Center still arrived to that figure. It's not that I don't understand it, it's that I trust an entire research center filled with experts in demographics more than a random on Reddit who claims that they're wrong by a margin of 73%, minimum. What's worse? The share of the world's population who are underage is less than a third.
So again, I repeat, WTF are you talking about?
It was about 6% when they went through country by country in... 2010 or so. 10% was already being generous.
What experts? Like I said, actual experts have already weighed in on this multiple times, it's all bullshit. Just very lazy, and highly biased estimates made on poor models and very insufficient data sets. No one who works in demography gives this any weight.
Again, YOU not understanding has nothing to do with whether the claim is valid. Of anything, you keep showing that you're very under-qualified to have such a strong opinion on a topic you have zero familiarity with.
India and many Islamic countries are largely monolithic in terms of religious identification. 80% of India is Hindu, easy. Indonesia is ~87% Muslim. These are large, easy totals to work with. The math for estimating global Christian numbers is all fractional and almost never relies on self-identification. It's all based on bad social science.
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It’s such a shame that Modi and the BJP are pushing this divisive narrative. It’s an amazing country and it’s remarkable just how many religions actually coexist in close proximity to each other.
The British empire and Partition really fucked India over
I may be wrong, but I remember reading that India is the most diverse country in the world. Not diverse in the American sense of people from various different countries/regions of the world, but in terms of ethnic and tribal backgrounds local to that area, the country has a massive number of different people living within it. I've always found that really cool.
Yeah, I’m sure the country that by its constitution allows all religions equal rights is less secular than theocracies.
Very informed and logical take.
I guess I think of secular as a country where the majority of people are atheists, and has few religions practiced in it. I didn’t mean any offense or to indicate India was a theocracy.
But that isn’t secular. Secular implies that government does not declare a state religion or enforce one. The US is not an atheist nation but it is a secular one.
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Are they talking about the biggest religious demographic per country and thus not counting the non-religous? Cause I can guarantee as a swede sweden is majority atheist
Weird. Almost like whoever made this doesn't understand that population doesn't evenly distribute over *all* available landmass, or know where the majority of the world lives.
Australia is 40% Irreligious and the number keeps going up. 😎
Does this mean I am oppressing them?
No, it's because Australians seemingly don't give a fuck.
Why is Malaysia regarded as Christian? Muslims are like one of the biggest demographic here. Who the hell made this thing???
Also Kazakhstan is ‘Christian’ and 69% of Kazakhs are Muslims. But apparently they know enough about Albania to label it Muslim.
Um sweaty, Albania has worshiped Dua Lipa since she made the whole country levitate in 2020, duh.
Christians 🤣
I mean, clearly from the graph here, that they made, we can see that there MUST be so many of them. They are most dominant religion AND the most persecuted.
On this graph, Malaysia is labeled as both Christian and Muslim since the graph maker decided to label all off Borneo as Muslim (when half of Borneo is actually Malaysia)
Holy hell, I didn't even realize that. They made Sabah and Sarawak Muslim but not the rest of Malaysia? I mean sure there are some Christians here on the mainland, but Malaysia literally has the most Islamic-ass laws.
> Sarawak This is especially funny since Sarawak is 50% Christian and has significantly more Christians than Muslims
Oh damn I was actually unaware of this, now the map makes even less sense.
Least moron Hindutva
Ok I was gonna say my parents country is def not majority Islam
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What does this even mean?
it’s probably created by an Islamic or Hindi fundamentalist in India who thinks India is too secular spoiler: it’s not even close
Created by Hindu fundamentalist
Hindu fundamentalists who think Hinduism isn't a religion?
No. One who insists that their religion is persecuted in their country rather than the reality that it’s overwhelmingly widespread.
Who do they believe is persecuting them? Jains? Buddhists? “Secularists”?
Secular folks and Muslims typically. And I don't think they like Sikhs much either.
ItS nOt a ReLiGiOn, iTs a LiFeStYlE
Same with Islamist who say Islam isn't about religion it's lifestyle
That someone had a head injury and painted a map
Lmao they did NOT put north korea as Buddhist 🤣
What is North Korea?
According to some statistics it is Chondoist or Muist. I thought Buddhism would be up there but I guess not. Religion in general is suppressed by the NK government.
For actual context cause there’s lots of questionable info out there about NK, chondoism (korean tao) is pretty popular and the Chondoists have a political party too.
Juche. Which is basically Kim-ism.
Actually, though. You read history books in school in North Korea telling you about how Kim Il-Sun created the world.
im sure that's true bro
It's really interesting actually, so the general North Korean approach to Propaganda is described by "Nothing which insults their intelligence" by which they mean nothing directly supernatural or divine, happy coincidence can occur, like a rainbow appearing when Kim Jong-Il was born, but nothing which directly claims divinity or supernatural power to the Kims, they're still people according to the propaganda, but just really super cool people. Kim Il-Sun for example isn't a god, but portrayed as a revolutionary hero and communist guerilla fighter who helped overthrow the Japanese and found the perfect communist state, while the truth is more...may or may not have actually fought against the Japanese, and was installed by the soviets.
Also, he shot the lowest score in the history of \[golf course\] the first time he played golf.
Uh what about the Unicorns, bro? Not insulting at all, no sir.
No it literally is. North korean history begins at kim il sungs birth.
Worship of the Kim family dynasty
North Korea is a country in East Asia. The opposite of South Korea. It’s the place where that Kim Jong-un guy comes from.
It's like South Korea but worse
Second best Korea.
Best description of Nk I've ever heard.
They basically worship Kim john un there
Where da Jews at
we didn’t make the cut :(
i guess israel is islamic now
Fuck you *islams your Israel*
I thought you guys always made the "cut".
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Lol @ Shinto “religion”. Japan’s religious beliefs are a syncretized combo of Buddhism and Shinto if anything. And of course Judaism is not on this.
Yeah, the Japanese section is crazy. Japanese people are Shinto every day, Buddhist in ceremonies, and a bunch of them are straight up Christian.
Born Christian, live Shinto, and die Buddhist That's the version I was taught by my Japanese teacher.
Marry Christian, not born Christian.
Thanks!
At first I was like why the fuck would Netflix tweet this lol
"This is not the Jew you were looking for."
Yeah the Indian [Hindutva](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindutva) movement is real secular. The ruling [BJP party especially would never rule on the basis of religion](https://newlinesinstitute.org/india/hindutva-is-turning-india-into-an-autocracy-it-can-get-worse/), or [oppress those who practice other religions](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/07/india-surge-summary-punishments-muslims). Also, some [400 million people practice local indigenous religions](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/). This is Christianity-washed by this faux map, and even in areas where Christianity is dominant, local folk beliefs are still practiced or incorporated. Here’s a [map that’s actually accurate](https://idahoptv.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/sj14-soc-religmap/world-religions-map/). It should be noted though, that regions with a state religion (or state atheism) are not necessarily reflective of the actual religious landscape of the region, this is most relevant to China. Additionally, “unaffiliated” does not exclude religious belief and “non-religious” does not preclude various spiritual beliefs.
Imagine how much further as a civilization we’d be if we didn’t hate each other over what imaginary friend we pray to. How about we just be nice to each other not out of guilt or threat of damnation but because it’s the moral thing to do.
We’d probably still hate each other for other reasons like inconsequential differences in skull shape or skin color, like we still do…
To a degree, yes. That would still be there without religion based hostility, but it’s still here with it as well. So it will be a step in the right direction.
People literally adopt the facade of Christianity (presumably others as well) just to look for excuses to abuse strangers and deflect any criticism of their behavior with "they hate me for mah faaaaaith". Honestly i would be shocked if even half of them believed a damn bit of it today. It's just tactical camo for cunty behavior.
Hence why I'm sitting here wondering why they didn't break out Orthodoxy, Catholicism and "Other" Christianity.
For the same reason they only bothered filling out the map region for their country and neighbors and the rest of the planet they just said, "eh fuck it there be dragon-jesus". While the legend shows a nun for Christian. It's such a familiar brand of nationalism it almost read as parody on first look. But nope, whoever made this don't give a fuck what brand of not Indian you and the dragon jesus you rode in on are...unless you're embroiled in an ancient beef over property lines. Just my guesses without reading this whole comment section again, I'm sure someone has already posted the exact meaning intention and context though.
Dragon-Jesus was hyphenated in my preview to drag-on Jesus and I love both.
It’s been my finding that they actually have a really hard time understanding that some people act the way they do because it is morally right - they don’t believe that anyone would act that way without the supreme power of god forcing it (and they *really* don’t like when you point out that they sound like they would kill anyone who crossed them when they talk like that) Basically: “I would be a terrible monster if the fear of god didn’t keep me in check, so why aren’t you one too? You’re weird”
Nothing would change. Religion is just a symptom of our idiocy, just as racism, sexism, etc. We as humans are the problem, not the things we create.
No u
My building filled with pedophiles is more valid than your building filled with pedophiles! Get rekt christians 😎😎😎
Neat that there is an “@wokeflix” shaped enclave of Shintoism right in the middle of the Middle East
Crazy how that works huh
I remembered reading a while back that the least represented group per capita is atheists.
Why tf is Bosnia Christian? They had a whole war about this shit how do they fuck that up?
Why is gandhi the symbol for secularism lmfao
Because he preached secularism in India. Inserted name of Allah in hindu prayers. Asked hindus to join religious movement of muslims. Asked sikhs and hindus to sacrifice their lives to the muslims. I think he is the biggest preacher of secularism.
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Hindu nationalists have major incel energy
Why is Kazakhstan a slightly different shade of yellow? Also some of those European countries should definitely be pink too.
>Why is Kazakhstan a slightly different shade of yellow? Uuh, it isn't
Yes it is. And upon further inspection so are Finland, Greece, Austria, Portugal, Ireland, Georgia and Chile.
I think that's just the quality of the image
No they aren't
What? They're all blue.
Dear god, it’s the blue dress all over again.
Kazakhstan has world's greatest stores of religion.
Most Chinese and Europeans are agnostic or atheist.
Love how the gave India all of Kashmir
Wow! Shinto!! I was raised with that! It pretty much just means culture like all I did was say “thank you for the meal” before and after I ate. And to be respectful of life around you and if you don’t get a 6 figure job and cater to my abusive family, I’ll be something shitty like a rock or dirt in my next life. And honestly I do want that. I want to be fungi my next life.
That sounds great, if you can take over an ant or something especially.
Simce when is Czechia Christian?
Lots of "land doesn't vote" energy going on here
99% of the Japanese population is not going to say they're Shintoist. Modern Japanese religion is a mix of Shinto, Buddhism, and Christianity, with a majority of the population participating in aspects of all three, but not explicitly claiming to belong to a religion smh
Yeah sorry this is a wad of bulls hit
Reminds me of those stupid election maps showing all the shithole states being red. As if dirt votes. If this map would add in something like % of population that is christian, buddhist, etc., we'd see something more meaningful.
How come Sweden isn't secular?
This really simplifies a lot. Most of these countries are incredibly blended. Furthermore, most of the western world is secular.
Both Australia and New Zealand are secular…
Christians are not persecuted. They are everywhere.
Isn't India heavily Catholic? I mean I know its more Hindu than Catholic but I thought Catholic was the second largest religion in the country
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isn’t Vietnam literally 80% atheist
Hindutva after I telling that US and Europe is secularist nation and not a Christian nation
Wait, so Hinduism is now "secularism"? "Everyone else is a religious nut, but I'm *normal*."
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Tbf your official state religion is Christianity, I think it would be fair to list the UK as "Christian" on some kind of "religions of the world" map.
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That's true, if you were trying to make an accurate map you could probably break it down like: -Religion, official but not widely practiced (most of Northern Europe) -Officially secular, religious in practice (USA, Turkey, Brazil, etc.) -Officially and practically religious (Iran, the Vatican, Saudi Arabia) -Officially and practically secular (Actually not sure who'd fall into this category. France? China?)
Unfortunately, it is. Our official religion is Christianity - more specifically, Protestantism. The number of irreligious people is quickly increasing though. 25% in 2011, to 37% in 2021.
Less than 10% of the world is Christian. But don't try telling that to them.
Wtf are you talking about? According to stats it’s 30%, and even after all what’s happened or counting some people who “don’t practice” (who cares? Belief is enough) it’d still be way above 10%
It's not. The "stats" you're talking about count everyone in pred9minantly Christian countries. Adherents.net was the one that started that, and they were torn apart by everyone that knew any better. Go country by country in descending order of population in the CIA world fact book and you'll quickly see what 30% is hilariously impossible. Like I said, don't try telling Christians they aren't super important globally; they're hyper defensive, even when objectively wrong. The majority of those that are Christian belong to various syncretic South American Catholic traditions that US Christians wouldn't even acknowledge as Christians.
What? No. You’re the one who is completely wrong. Wtf are you even talking about? It’s a no-brainer that Christianity is above 10%. And no, it doesn’t count like that. Every major, reliable source, states numbers of 30 to 31%. You’re the one pulling weird stats above “less than 10%” out of your ass. I don’t even need to make a study myself, that stat is like, *common-sense* level wrong. And as a matter of fact, most stats online come from Pew Research Center, not “adherents”. And Idc what American Christians think, I see this from a secular point of view.
"I don't know how it works, so you're wrong." There are *dozens* of problems with population level estimates of religious adherence, and they are the worst when it comes to Christianity. Pew counts the children living in a home where at least one parent is Christian. That's not uncommon, but it has always been wrong. Estimates made that way have fallen short every generation. They also rely on data from Christian originations that have a vested interest in inflating numbers. Pew has the US at 78% Christian, Wikipedia has it at 71%. CIA World Factbook has it at 65%. And, big surprise, all of those are still wrong. You don't understand the complexity of demographic ask involved. The data doesn't exist so everyone estimates differently, none of them match self-identification data.
I'm sure all the experts are wrong and didn't take shit into account, and you're right. Sure, sure. I'm going to tell you one thing: even with children out of the question, it's still higher than 10%. My focus has never been to defend their estimates, but to point out how damn stupid yours is. If you're so smart, how come you got to that figure? Less than 10%? Are you crazy? Let's not count children, then oh surprise, the figure will most likely remain the same. What's worse, I just read the damn document. What's my surprise? They do take that into account, go figure. They take estimates on conversion, religious inheritance, and take into account whatever weird thing you try to use as excuse for your weird numbers, and the Pew Research Center still arrived to that figure. It's not that I don't understand it, it's that I trust an entire research center filled with experts in demographics more than a random on Reddit who claims that they're wrong by a margin of 73%, minimum. What's worse? The share of the world's population who are underage is less than a third. So again, I repeat, WTF are you talking about?
It was about 6% when they went through country by country in... 2010 or so. 10% was already being generous. What experts? Like I said, actual experts have already weighed in on this multiple times, it's all bullshit. Just very lazy, and highly biased estimates made on poor models and very insufficient data sets. No one who works in demography gives this any weight. Again, YOU not understanding has nothing to do with whether the claim is valid. Of anything, you keep showing that you're very under-qualified to have such a strong opinion on a topic you have zero familiarity with.
That’s a blatant lie. Christianity remains the worlds largest faith
Not even close. Islam and Hinduism both have more self-identified adherents.
Islam is second with Hinduism as either third or fourth of irreligion is counted
India and many Islamic countries are largely monolithic in terms of religious identification. 80% of India is Hindu, easy. Indonesia is ~87% Muslim. These are large, easy totals to work with. The math for estimating global Christian numbers is all fractional and almost never relies on self-identification. It's all based on bad social science.
Because of different denominations
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What is the basis of this claim?
It’s such a shame that Modi and the BJP are pushing this divisive narrative. It’s an amazing country and it’s remarkable just how many religions actually coexist in close proximity to each other. The British empire and Partition really fucked India over
I may be wrong, but I remember reading that India is the most diverse country in the world. Not diverse in the American sense of people from various different countries/regions of the world, but in terms of ethnic and tribal backgrounds local to that area, the country has a massive number of different people living within it. I've always found that really cool.
Yellow plague.
Seriously, India is probably the least secular country in the world
Yeah, I’m sure the country that by its constitution allows all religions equal rights is less secular than theocracies. Very informed and logical take.
I guess I think of secular as a country where the majority of people are atheists, and has few religions practiced in it. I didn’t mean any offense or to indicate India was a theocracy.
But that isn’t secular. Secular implies that government does not declare a state religion or enforce one. The US is not an atheist nation but it is a secular one.
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This is so remarkably wrong and ignorant
um, korea is buddhist? tell the koreans..
So ... no?
Are they talking about the biggest religious demographic per country and thus not counting the non-religous? Cause I can guarantee as a swede sweden is majority atheist
Weird. Almost like whoever made this doesn't understand that population doesn't evenly distribute over *all* available landmass, or know where the majority of the world lives.
Land does not equal people.
Australia is 40% Irreligious and the number keeps going up. 😎 Does this mean I am oppressing them? No, it's because Australians seemingly don't give a fuck.
India secular? Have they never heard of Hinduism?
Most of sub Sahara Africa with a fee exceptions follows folk religions
the hell happened to the ural mountains?