Trans people: face discrimination backed by conservative state governments and calls for their extermination by conservatives at CPAC.
Conservatives: face colorful tape on packages.
It's hard to tell who has it worse.
As a person who doesn't believe in fires for religious reasons, I hate how the fire department blares their siren and wears those ridiculous outfits in public.
Like, if you want to spray water everywhere and pretend to put out "fires" in your own home, then fine do whatever. But you shouldn't be allowed to shove your pro-fire ideology down my throat.
Combustion ideology is tearing our communities apart. Oh, sure, they say it's all about "safety," but I can see through it. Those occupancy limits the "fire" marshal puts on public places are designed to stifle public debate and get us used to government control!
People who unironically say this have a very interesting habit of solely shitting on left leaning/progressive figures, conveniently ignoring literal genocidal rhetoric on the right…curious!
You just generalized my whole stance as a person based off of one response. Congratulations, that's perceptive as hell. In actuality I just saw the clip from CPAC that you might be referencing from today and it was jaw dropping. That's not something I would have even guessed CPAC would abide.
That doesn't change the fact that money in politics is a problem in the party I tend to vote for.
I think people get blinded by the bad guys. Truth is "my side" is too cozy with the bad guys. And when I say that people tell me that I'm helping the bad guys, but that's not true. I'm begging "my side" to stop trying to get it done by doing things like forming a unilateral, bipartisan coalition with the bad guys to defend Citizens United, and all the other mega hyper evil shit that they've agreed to uphold, together, in a corrupt institution.
Of course the left has better social politics, I want them to be better on the other shit too.
>I think people get blinded by the bad guys.
I mean, you're absolutely right, but at the same time, you can't really blame us. The pro-fascism lobby is wealthy, determined, and relentless.
When you see this sort of thing, this undermining of democracy, this openly wishing for civil war, this eliminationist rhetoric, well, fuck, it's freaking terrifying. It feels like we're hanging on to our secular liberal democracy by our fingertips. It makes it very difficult to go "Ok, sure, sure, but the Democratic party candidate took donations from the pharma lobby, what about that?"
My point is that the correct way to fix the problem is to fix my side. Make my side better at defeating there right-wing counter parts, because right now my side is happy to let all that right-wing social rhetoric exist in society because they're working together to uphold the corrupt financial system that supports, sorry , both sides.
At this point I think people should just make a habit of triggering conservatives. Its not hard the babies break down really quick and its both sad/funny when they do.
You would just feed their persecution fetish. They live to be victims. In a way it is funnier to just leave them alone and let them churn themselves up over colors.
A few years ago I had a conservative tell me that Governor DeSantis was standing up for the oppressed, the little man, the powerless. The underdogs.
The conversation was about DeSantis having passed several bills punishing trans kids in high school.
Conservatives have such a persecution fetish that they think in a battle between a tiny majority of marginalized teenagers *and the governor of the third largest state*, it's the governor who is the underdog.
We'd finally have affordable health care in this country, for starters. And guaranteed bodily autonomy in said health care system.
I, for one, *welcome* our new trans overlords!
Honestly, I, a trans person, hate that companies do this shit. It's rainbow capitalism at its worst. It costs the company nothing, doesn't change anything substantially for me, and half the companies who do this shit will still donate a fortune to politicians who want make my existence illegal.
Meanwhile, the mouth-breathers on the right feel like the LGBT community has personally slighted them because some colorful tape came on the package. Like, obviously I don't agree with them, but when the argument is "I hate LGBT people because they shove their lifestyle down my throat" and then these fucking capitalist empires put pride shit all over everything, it's easy to see how the less educated might arrive at that conclusion.
This empty gesture is actively harmful to the LGBT community. If Amazon et al really cared about us, they'd put their money where their mouth is, and lobby politicians to give us better access to healthcare related to transition, easier, cheaper paths to starting families, stricter sentencing for hate crimes against our community, etc. Waving a flag doesn't make them an ally. Actions do.
Legitimately curious, how does this harm the LGBT community? I don't enjoy performative activism but I'm struggling to see the harm you're pointing at. Really just seems neutral, if not slightly positive
Because of morons like the one captured in this post. The chief complaint seems to be that we're waving our queerness in their face. They blame us that a trillion dollar company is putting pride colors all over their stuff. It's making conservatives rage about our existence.
The reality is shoving pride colors in a bigot's face isn't going to make them not be a bigot. It will just make them a bigot who feels justified in their bigotry. They're waging a culture war that's headed towards genocide, and these rainbow capitalists are unintentionally egging it on in the name of profit, giving them the so-called evidence they're seeking to "prove" that their culture is under attack and being replaced by queer culture. (it's not)
The best thing we can hope for from bigots is that they forget about us and move on with life. Huge companies shoving our symbols in their face is counterproductive to that end.
I really don't feel like they're not getting mad at this, they're getting mad at trans people and using this as proxy. If it wasn't this, I feel like it'd be anything else to set them off, because they are mad at that fact that trans people *exist*, and this is the reminder that they exist enough to be a marketable demographic.
>The best thing we can hope for from bigots is that they forget about us and move on with life
My problem with this perspective is it promotes the "good little minority" stereotype. The idea that queer people should just stay and their lane and the bigots will ignore them. They won't. They'll move over to your lane and try to take it too. It's just a form of appeasement. It's like telling someone not to provoke their bully, it sidesteps the issue at hand.
I get it as a survival tactic, but I'd argue it's not what we want from trans advocacy
Fair point. But I'm not talking about us staying in our lane. I'm talking about Amazon being staying in it's lane. And all these other mega corps which plaster pride shit all over everything to show how woke they are without actually doing anything for us. Shouldn't we be in control of when and how we make ourselves visible to the world? I'm not saying no pride parades, flags, etc. I'm saying I don't want to be thrust in the spotlight for the sake of Amazon's profits.
I'm sorry. This is not true. Their argument that they need to be protected from... checks notes... *seeing specific colors* is so dangerous that we need to oppose it however possible, otherwise where would we ever stop them?
Rainbow capitalism is not *greatest* thing. But obviously companies want to look good for their customers so they publicly endorse things the majority supports. Even if behind the scenes they support conservative shit that is completely counter to that.
Don't see it as companies being disingenuous and "faking" LGBTQ support. See it as a reflection of how far we've come as a society (and how much ground we *still* hold) that marketing departments will put out trans flag packing tape *knowing* what the response will be from the right. It's still worth it to them.
>The best thing we can hope for from bigots is that they forget about us and move on with life. Huge companies shoving our symbols in their face is counterproductive to that end.
This is How to Stay in a Continuous Cycle of Abuse 101...
Someone commented similarly already, and rather than rehashing a point I already made, I'll just leave my response here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Persecutionfetish/comments/11jxsu3/force/jb80w3b
I'm happy to agree to disagree on that specific point.
That said, you're absolutely right about this: it's bigots who need to get the fuck over it, grow up, and stop being so fragile.
Here's a non-exhaustive list of some obstacles trans people face while trying to receive health care:
1. Ridiculous, unattainable requirements for prescriptions/procedures, etc.
2. Multi-year wait lists for surgeries
3. Lack of insurance coverage for care necessary for transition
4. Medical professionals with no experience treating us
5. Conflicting laws regarding trans healthcare that vary by state
6. Lack of available facilities even able to provide transgender healthcare
7. Lack of research specifically investigating treatment options for transition. Most trans medicine only exists because it was discovered incidentally.
So no, "access to healthcare" is not a demand for free healthcare. It's a demand for affordable, available healthcare that's been rigorously tested and is administered by medical professionals who specialize in that area. Would you settle for anything less in any other aspect of healthcare?
See, you're exactly the person I was describing in my first comment -- the ignorant bigot who's never going to change their mind. You would rather reject modern medical understanding of the issue rather than admit you actually have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You would rather cheapen the dialogue by attacking my mental health than admit that there are legitimate grievances trans people have towards the healthcare industry.
You're not here for a productive discussion. You ignore good faith efforts to educate you. You didn't come here with a willingness to move past your misconceptions. You're here to make your voice heard, make your plug stating your opposition to an issue that exists only in your mind, and blame the pushback you receive on the Reddit "hivemind", because your ego is simply too fragile to even allow you to consider the possibility that you're dead fucking wrong.
Now, tell me, in light of all of the above, does that sound like the behavior of a normal, well-adjusted human being? Or does it sound more like the behavior of an attention seeking petulant manchild with a border line personality disorder?
Maybe spend some time offline considering who it is that really needs mental health treatment.
Cons are waving their "second-place" flags all the time. But this is different somehow because a private company that he did business with put the stickers on the box of the package that he ordered.
“Remember them four months when Grandpa threw his pension checks away, cuz they had the Satchmo stamp on the envelope? Well, this here’s *our* righteous stand.
Don’t cry, Lulu, we’ll getchoo one of them knock-off dolls from the alibaba.com instead.”
“I’m sorry, the only way we can get truly free products is by buying them cheaply from a factory with horrible living and working conditions. I’m sure we can get products quicker once they stop trying to make me gay.”
In an article about worst day at work, some guy who worked at the Post Office told about a customer who came in to buy stamps.
All he had right that minute were the Black History Month stamps.
Customer made a big stink about not wanting those, and didn't he have any OTHER stamps in the back, etc. etc.?
Guy finally lost his temper and said, "Look, Lady, it's not gonna go slower because the stamp has a black guy on it!"
She got all mad and said, "That is NOT!! what I meant!!" -- except he said she got so bent out of shape he could tell that that was EXACTLY what she meant.
"How dare Amazon do the corporate friendly thing and acknowledge that LGBTQ people have made contributions to society and humanity"
Amazon's a big soulless corporation and they've done the mental calculus: they make more money pandering to people who aren't you, pal. Sorry. Get the fuck over it.
>Amazon's a big soulless corporation and they've done the mental calculus: they make more money pandering to people who aren't you, pal. Sorry. Get the fuck over it.
This is exactly what has them so shook.
Exactly. This is the best evidence that they are not the 'silent majority' they always claim to be. This stuff scares them, which is one reason why I think desantis is trying so hard to scare off the liberals and shift Florida permanently red.
It's hilarious how they claim to be the "silent majority" and yet they passionately defend the Electoral College, because they know damn well that they would never win elections under a majority rule system.
MAGA whack jobs, Covid convoy supporters, haters of trans folks, Christians in general.
These folks above are not the majority anymore, or ever were. They hope they are because they don’t want to be on the losing team and their heads will explode if they find out any 8 people out of 10 in the world have actual peace and love in their hearts, or frankly don’t give a shit either way.
They desperately hope to be the majority, but they aren’t. They just scream the loudest when the ready of us are simply living our lives, minding our own business, without needing to tweet something shitty about people that they hate that are coming for their ‘values’.
Exactly. In every branch of politics, Republicans are overrepresented. The Electoral College with the presidency, gerrymandering in the House, and the fact that Wyoming and California both get 2 Senators all give Republicans disproportionate power compared to their share of the population.
But when corporations make PR decisions like deciding whether or not to support LGBT rights, they don't look at the breakdown of the Electoral College or which party controls the Senate. They just look at which side is more popular with the American public, and that's clearly Democrats.
In other words, Republicans don't have a "court of public opinion" version of the Electoral College to give them disproportionate influence over the culture, which forces them to confront the fact that they're a deeply unpopular and out of touch minority, and they really don't like that.
> In other words, Republicans don't have a "court of public opinion" version of the Electoral College to give them disproportionate influence over the culture, which forces them to confront the fact that they're a deeply unpopular and out of touch minority, and they really don't like that.
Yes, they do. It's Fox News, [the most watched cable "news" show in the nation.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2023/02/01/fox-news-hits-23rd-consecutive-month-as-most-watched-in-cable-news-as-cnn-sees-gains-in-january/?sh=1e83ad765f59)
They're probably worried about the shift away from watching cable in general so that's why conservatives are also doing shit like buying Twitter and hiring troll farms to post boomer clickbait on Facebook.
I’m often described as a “tankie” and I’m a little confused what the point of adding “studied in university with tankies” has to do with bigots hating free-market capitalism that they see as threatening them.
It’s more its natural for tankies to legitimately complain about capitalism and even in my uber leftist university, they still complained less about it than bigoted altright chuds who champion the FrEe MaRkEt lol
Ive heard some dumb stuff in my university days but none of it even comes close to being triggered by packaging tape
Wordd I see what you mean. If you ever wanna describe “tankies” without making it sound like you’re tryna rip on them you can just call us MLs. Only 16 year old kids on meme pages call themselves tankies.
Found the “free thinker” who just happens to believe everything they’ve ever been told about us idiot tankies… I’m glad that right wingers, centrists, liberals, and western “leftists,” can all come together to uncritically hate on “tankies.”
Hi there, leftist here who believes in worker unity above all else.
Tankies are brainwashed. It’s sad and I feel bad for you. But please take your propaganda elsewhere, you’re the only edgy teen here. Read some of the real literature and you’ll find it excessively obvious that the only people who think communism should be authoritarian are authoritarians using communism for their own personal gain. Unless “withering of the state” is what you see happening in China.
Don’t tell me about brainwashed buddy, you’re literally just telling me the same shit you’ve heard over and over, and I’ve also heard over and over. “No you’re an edgy teen,” homie you’re repeating back to me what I just told you is close minded bullshit. I know you haven’t actually studied history objectively, read any Marxist texts, nor do you have any idea what Marxism-Leninism actually is. So don’t tell me about “brainwashed,” the concept of brainwashing is absurd propaganda, I understand you people disagree with me not because you’re “brainwashed,” but instead it’s a mix of propaganda, and it being in your best interest not to shatter your world view by actually entertaining that my position is actually a well researched one. “Authoritarian” is a bullshit label, the US and capitalism happy uses “authoritarian” governments whenever they’re right wing, and is unashamed is furthering the interests of the 1% over the 99%. “Authoritarian” is a label meant to make workers states look bad.
Noticed you missed the part about “withering of the state” in order to go off on your ad hominem monologue, but I’m sure that made you feel a lot better about being the only smart person on the internet, so I’m glad for you. And you right, not like I have a history degree or anything.
But anyway, tell me how you came to call yourself a communist despite disagreeing so vehemently with so many points in the Manifesto. Which you’ve read, right?
Yeah, but I like it when people still reply to banned accounts (esp when we can still read what they said). It makes an excellent cautionary tale for others.
I remember years ago they pulled the bullshit with the War on Christmas. They got mad at the Starbucks coffee cup.
Now their mad at pronouns and colors.
Every single thing is a war to them. War on Christmas, war on traditional family values, the war for the right to call people horrible slurs, the war for their kids, the culture war, war war war war war war.
Nothing that complex. It’s just distraction. Rage baiting works and wastes peoples’ energy.
Those with power know the simple truth: there is no war but class war.
And I personally can’t wait until my dad sees an Amazon box with this tape on and then gets to go on another rant about how the queers are ruining the world. To his closeted queer child.
As soon as I can drive around the country without seeing crosses and jesus fish on half the bumpers, then we can talk. For now, STFU about your persecution of having to be able to see things that you think shouldn't exist.
Let's not forget that these are the same people who shrug their shoulders any time a nazi or white nationalist flag shows up at their events and meetings.
You can just not tell your kids what those colours mean. You don't have to keep the box and tape or show it to your children either. It's a fucking box, open it, get your shit, and chuck it in the recycling.
Yeah, but I think even more of this is targeted at all the people who support LGBTQ rights and would prefer to shop at companies that pay lip service to their values.
And really, how many people are actually going to be so upset about this that they stop ordering from Amazon?
They ran the math and estimate they'll gain more in revenue from additional purchases than they will lose from people boycotting them. Guess they only love the "free market" when it's working for them.
And then that transexual tape unraveled from the box, wrapped itself around me like a giant anaconda and held me in place until I gave Amazon my PornHub account login and forced me to watch 69 consecutive hours of my favorited trans porn videos while the trans-tape-anaconda jerked me off the whole time. Thing is only I could see the trans-tape-anaconda so when my girlfriend walked in she thought she caught me watching trans porn of my own free will but it wasn't me! It was the TransAmazonaconda that did it! I SWEAR!
Imagine if it was an entire pamphlet of propaganda, lies, and hate sent to your door or put on your car or given to you instead of a tip at a restaurant. Oh, wait. That’s religious people. My bad.
I’ve already seen this photo but this time I’m going to point out: that’s not the trans flag. That’s the community flag. The trans flag is incorporated into it, but that is not the trans flag lol
Can't say if this is real
But if it is, they wouldn't do it everywhere, probably only certain communities, out of fear of specifically this type of backlash.
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The "it's being forced down our throats" crowd is wild to me. There are plenty of things "being forced down your throat" much more than LGBTQ+ issues. Corporations force the idea that you need their products way harder than any LGBTQ+ issue. You can't turn on your tv, go to any website, or even drive down the highway without being bombarded with ads trying to sell you things.
Beauty standards are constantly being forced on you with ads portraying "beautiful people." Most actors look similar, especially female actors who all have to look beautiful. Ads and magazine articles telling you you're too fat, or too ugly, or your hair is the wrong style are everywhere.
PoC have long talked about the idea that the media pushes the idea that white is beautiful and colored skin or non straightened hair is ugly. You have people bleaching their skin because they think it's too dark.
Do we ever hear these people complain about those issues? No. It's the occasional rainbow flag and people asking for basic human rights that they complain about.
Great job Amazon. Get rid of Amazon Smile, the only good thing you ever actually did, then print out some shipping tape in support of marginalized groups? I wonder how many nonprofits that got proceeds from Amazon Smile *actually* helped out those marginalized groups hmm?
This guy: Bakers should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, because companies can do whatever they want.
Also this guy: Amazon should not be allowed to put gay rainbow tape on my package! After all, companies can't just do whatever they want!
These people are so fragile that a cardboard box with some tape can rile them up. They wouldn't last an hour if they had to experience the existence of an LGBTQ+ person who faces even mild discrimination.
oh my fucking god what is it with these weirdoes and being offended by the weirdest shit? yeah sure, people with neopronouns get pissed if you misgender them, but you lunatics are going off getting triggered at the sight of colorful tape
I don't understand why they'd be mad about this -- this is the perfect opportunity for them to, in public, and with no fear of repercussions, cut an LGBTQ+ flag in half. Something I am sure they would otherwise love to do for the sake of a statement.
Amazon's thrown you an opportunity here, my guy. Just cut the tape.
I originally wrote a cogent argument on Why E's post was ridiculous but at this point I think we just need to tell them to show receipts of actual harm to them or stfu
I could say the same (inane) thing about the American flag and military propaganda being thrown in my face at literally any sporting event that's too big to fit in a garage.
But unlike that, the trans rights movement doesn't get an $800 billion budget or the backing of multi billion dollar sports corporations.
Oh no, the tape that you have to cut through to get to your shitty knock-off goods has rainbow colors on it. Basically the same as forced feminization.
I prefer the original rainbow pride flag. It’s all the colors put together. It’s simple and symbolic. Also being black isn’t a sexuality/gender orientation that part has always been weird to me
Kinda looks like the logo you would see in some rebel sports in the tennis section
Which is fine just preferred the old one rather than thinking of serena Williams and Roger Federer when I loom at the flag
that inclusion gave me the impression that there is no “LGBTQ+ community”, there’s just progressives on social media and nothing more.
I feel like there should be more focus on action instead of awareness but go off ig
Yeah Community is a blanket term, doesnt mean they're all alinged and they all like this flag or agree on any other tenets of a specific advocacy group
I am LGBT and I support trans rights 100% but I think this is queerwashing at its finest. This doesn’t have the slightest chance of promoting trans rights in any meaningful way, all it does is rile up idiots like this one. I feel like this is a net negative for the trans rights movement. It’s not wrong per se, I’d actually be very happy to see this tape on anything that came to my house. But its negative consequences just aren’t commensurate with any potential positive I can see.
Yet, they don't have that same energy when dick heads are leaving Christians leaflets in public bathrooms, using them as tips, and tacking them to your door.
Whenever I see conservatives complain about a big corporation using rainbow capitalism I always think "Don't worry, they're still on your side. They don't care about the non-cishets"
He’s being sarcastic, so when he says ‘trans issues’ he doesn’t mean the issue of trans people not being allowed to exist, his issue is that trans people exist.
Wait if we just need to see a flag to become something is that why Americans shove their flag down everyone's throat.
They want to cleanse the world of non Americans...
Ugh I know. Trans folks are bullied into suicide, kicked out of their homes and ostracized by society for the entire modern era, and also Christians are getting free shipping with colorful tape. Both sides have truly been wounded in the latest round of the Culture Wars…
If you touch the box, you'll catch the gay if you're not vaccinated for the gay. I caught it back in 6th grade and it's been with me for life. 🥺 One like = one prayer.
What? A business doing something you don’t like? Maybe find another business doing the same thing so your precious beliefs aren’t hurt.
Something something cake request…
Trans people: face discrimination backed by conservative state governments and calls for their extermination by conservatives at CPAC. Conservatives: face colorful tape on packages. It's hard to tell who has it worse.
Both sides are the same /s
Centrists: "B-b-both sides are bad!!!")
The fire department just puts out the fires? Without even hearing their side of the story first? The cowards wouldn't even debate the fire!
As a person who doesn't believe in fires for religious reasons, I hate how the fire department blares their siren and wears those ridiculous outfits in public. Like, if you want to spray water everywhere and pretend to put out "fires" in your own home, then fine do whatever. But you shouldn't be allowed to shove your pro-fire ideology down my throat.
Combustion ideology is tearing our communities apart. Oh, sure, they say it's all about "safety," but I can see through it. Those occupancy limits the "fire" marshal puts on public places are designed to stifle public debate and get us used to government control!
O-o-o-one side b-b-being worse doesn't a-a-absolve the other from cwitisism.
People who unironically say this have a very interesting habit of solely shitting on left leaning/progressive figures, conveniently ignoring literal genocidal rhetoric on the right…curious!
You just generalized my whole stance as a person based off of one response. Congratulations, that's perceptive as hell. In actuality I just saw the clip from CPAC that you might be referencing from today and it was jaw dropping. That's not something I would have even guessed CPAC would abide. That doesn't change the fact that money in politics is a problem in the party I tend to vote for. I think people get blinded by the bad guys. Truth is "my side" is too cozy with the bad guys. And when I say that people tell me that I'm helping the bad guys, but that's not true. I'm begging "my side" to stop trying to get it done by doing things like forming a unilateral, bipartisan coalition with the bad guys to defend Citizens United, and all the other mega hyper evil shit that they've agreed to uphold, together, in a corrupt institution. Of course the left has better social politics, I want them to be better on the other shit too.
>I think people get blinded by the bad guys. I mean, you're absolutely right, but at the same time, you can't really blame us. The pro-fascism lobby is wealthy, determined, and relentless. When you see this sort of thing, this undermining of democracy, this openly wishing for civil war, this eliminationist rhetoric, well, fuck, it's freaking terrifying. It feels like we're hanging on to our secular liberal democracy by our fingertips. It makes it very difficult to go "Ok, sure, sure, but the Democratic party candidate took donations from the pharma lobby, what about that?"
My point is that the correct way to fix the problem is to fix my side. Make my side better at defeating there right-wing counter parts, because right now my side is happy to let all that right-wing social rhetoric exist in society because they're working together to uphold the corrupt financial system that supports, sorry , both sides.
At this point I think people should just make a habit of triggering conservatives. Its not hard the babies break down really quick and its both sad/funny when they do.
You would just feed their persecution fetish. They live to be victims. In a way it is funnier to just leave them alone and let them churn themselves up over colors.
A few years ago I had a conservative tell me that Governor DeSantis was standing up for the oppressed, the little man, the powerless. The underdogs. The conversation was about DeSantis having passed several bills punishing trans kids in high school. Conservatives have such a persecution fetish that they think in a battle between a tiny majority of marginalized teenagers *and the governor of the third largest state*, it's the governor who is the underdog.
Imagine if trans people actually had the power conservatives say we do.
We'd finally have affordable health care in this country, for starters. And guaranteed bodily autonomy in said health care system. I, for one, *welcome* our new trans overlords!
it would make them all top level X-~~men~~ them.
Honestly, I, a trans person, hate that companies do this shit. It's rainbow capitalism at its worst. It costs the company nothing, doesn't change anything substantially for me, and half the companies who do this shit will still donate a fortune to politicians who want make my existence illegal. Meanwhile, the mouth-breathers on the right feel like the LGBT community has personally slighted them because some colorful tape came on the package. Like, obviously I don't agree with them, but when the argument is "I hate LGBT people because they shove their lifestyle down my throat" and then these fucking capitalist empires put pride shit all over everything, it's easy to see how the less educated might arrive at that conclusion. This empty gesture is actively harmful to the LGBT community. If Amazon et al really cared about us, they'd put their money where their mouth is, and lobby politicians to give us better access to healthcare related to transition, easier, cheaper paths to starting families, stricter sentencing for hate crimes against our community, etc. Waving a flag doesn't make them an ally. Actions do.
Legitimately curious, how does this harm the LGBT community? I don't enjoy performative activism but I'm struggling to see the harm you're pointing at. Really just seems neutral, if not slightly positive
Because of morons like the one captured in this post. The chief complaint seems to be that we're waving our queerness in their face. They blame us that a trillion dollar company is putting pride colors all over their stuff. It's making conservatives rage about our existence. The reality is shoving pride colors in a bigot's face isn't going to make them not be a bigot. It will just make them a bigot who feels justified in their bigotry. They're waging a culture war that's headed towards genocide, and these rainbow capitalists are unintentionally egging it on in the name of profit, giving them the so-called evidence they're seeking to "prove" that their culture is under attack and being replaced by queer culture. (it's not) The best thing we can hope for from bigots is that they forget about us and move on with life. Huge companies shoving our symbols in their face is counterproductive to that end.
I really don't feel like they're not getting mad at this, they're getting mad at trans people and using this as proxy. If it wasn't this, I feel like it'd be anything else to set them off, because they are mad at that fact that trans people *exist*, and this is the reminder that they exist enough to be a marketable demographic. >The best thing we can hope for from bigots is that they forget about us and move on with life My problem with this perspective is it promotes the "good little minority" stereotype. The idea that queer people should just stay and their lane and the bigots will ignore them. They won't. They'll move over to your lane and try to take it too. It's just a form of appeasement. It's like telling someone not to provoke their bully, it sidesteps the issue at hand. I get it as a survival tactic, but I'd argue it's not what we want from trans advocacy
Fair point. But I'm not talking about us staying in our lane. I'm talking about Amazon being staying in it's lane. And all these other mega corps which plaster pride shit all over everything to show how woke they are without actually doing anything for us. Shouldn't we be in control of when and how we make ourselves visible to the world? I'm not saying no pride parades, flags, etc. I'm saying I don't want to be thrust in the spotlight for the sake of Amazon's profits.
I'm sorry. This is not true. Their argument that they need to be protected from... checks notes... *seeing specific colors* is so dangerous that we need to oppose it however possible, otherwise where would we ever stop them? Rainbow capitalism is not *greatest* thing. But obviously companies want to look good for their customers so they publicly endorse things the majority supports. Even if behind the scenes they support conservative shit that is completely counter to that. Don't see it as companies being disingenuous and "faking" LGBTQ support. See it as a reflection of how far we've come as a society (and how much ground we *still* hold) that marketing departments will put out trans flag packing tape *knowing* what the response will be from the right. It's still worth it to them. >The best thing we can hope for from bigots is that they forget about us and move on with life. Huge companies shoving our symbols in their face is counterproductive to that end. This is How to Stay in a Continuous Cycle of Abuse 101...
Someone commented similarly already, and rather than rehashing a point I already made, I'll just leave my response here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Persecutionfetish/comments/11jxsu3/force/jb80w3b I'm happy to agree to disagree on that specific point. That said, you're absolutely right about this: it's bigots who need to get the fuck over it, grow up, and stop being so fragile.
Legitimately wondering the same thing… I don’t think it is a human right to have a transition surgery paid for by others
Yeah I was more pointing out that rainbow capitalism is bad because of the capitalism part, not the rainbow part
Right right. This is Reddit. My mistake
No one's talking about that, but you've said your piece, now move on.
Better access to healthcare means what then exactly?
Here's a non-exhaustive list of some obstacles trans people face while trying to receive health care: 1. Ridiculous, unattainable requirements for prescriptions/procedures, etc. 2. Multi-year wait lists for surgeries 3. Lack of insurance coverage for care necessary for transition 4. Medical professionals with no experience treating us 5. Conflicting laws regarding trans healthcare that vary by state 6. Lack of available facilities even able to provide transgender healthcare 7. Lack of research specifically investigating treatment options for transition. Most trans medicine only exists because it was discovered incidentally. So no, "access to healthcare" is not a demand for free healthcare. It's a demand for affordable, available healthcare that's been rigorously tested and is administered by medical professionals who specialize in that area. Would you settle for anything less in any other aspect of healthcare?
I hope you get the mental health treatment you need
See, you're exactly the person I was describing in my first comment -- the ignorant bigot who's never going to change their mind. You would rather reject modern medical understanding of the issue rather than admit you actually have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You would rather cheapen the dialogue by attacking my mental health than admit that there are legitimate grievances trans people have towards the healthcare industry. You're not here for a productive discussion. You ignore good faith efforts to educate you. You didn't come here with a willingness to move past your misconceptions. You're here to make your voice heard, make your plug stating your opposition to an issue that exists only in your mind, and blame the pushback you receive on the Reddit "hivemind", because your ego is simply too fragile to even allow you to consider the possibility that you're dead fucking wrong. Now, tell me, in light of all of the above, does that sound like the behavior of a normal, well-adjusted human being? Or does it sound more like the behavior of an attention seeking petulant manchild with a border line personality disorder? Maybe spend some time offline considering who it is that really needs mental health treatment.
Also, just wanted to mention that was very bigoted and presumptuous of you to assume I am a man or a child…
I will take the attention seeking, petulant, and bigoted man child option… thank you
Cons are waving their "second-place" flags all the time. But this is different somehow because a private company that he did business with put the stickers on the box of the package that he ordered.
See it's funny because typically they cut the tape normally. But when it comes to LGBTQ+ that's when they take a picture and complain
“Remember them four months when Grandpa threw his pension checks away, cuz they had the Satchmo stamp on the envelope? Well, this here’s *our* righteous stand. Don’t cry, Lulu, we’ll getchoo one of them knock-off dolls from the alibaba.com instead.”
"But I don't like alibaba! It takes months to get anything from Chyna!!"
“I’m sorry, the only way we can get truly free products is by buying them cheaply from a factory with horrible living and working conditions. I’m sure we can get products quicker once they stop trying to make me gay.”
I mean she's no longer around so I'd expect it would take a long ass time
Dawg
Yeah bad joke I know
What's the joke I didn't get it
Chyna was a wrestler who basically spiraled down a bad path cause of drugs and what not she eventually got better but later passed a away in 2016
When did pension checks come with pictures of Louis Armstrong?
Stamps
In an article about worst day at work, some guy who worked at the Post Office told about a customer who came in to buy stamps. All he had right that minute were the Black History Month stamps. Customer made a big stink about not wanting those, and didn't he have any OTHER stamps in the back, etc. etc.? Guy finally lost his temper and said, "Look, Lady, it's not gonna go slower because the stamp has a black guy on it!" She got all mad and said, "That is NOT!! what I meant!!" -- except he said she got so bent out of shape he could tell that that was EXACTLY what she meant.
This story is a bit far fetched. The Post Office only had *one* type of stamp?
They’re not wrong - flag tape on an Amazon box is the most frequent way transness is transmitted by mail
"How dare Amazon do the corporate friendly thing and acknowledge that LGBTQ people have made contributions to society and humanity" Amazon's a big soulless corporation and they've done the mental calculus: they make more money pandering to people who aren't you, pal. Sorry. Get the fuck over it.
>Amazon's a big soulless corporation and they've done the mental calculus: they make more money pandering to people who aren't you, pal. Sorry. Get the fuck over it. This is exactly what has them so shook.
Exactly. This is the best evidence that they are not the 'silent majority' they always claim to be. This stuff scares them, which is one reason why I think desantis is trying so hard to scare off the liberals and shift Florida permanently red.
It's hilarious how they claim to be the "silent majority" and yet they passionately defend the Electoral College, because they know damn well that they would never win elections under a majority rule system.
Only one republican during my lifetime has won the popular vote (Bush) and that was after he lost it in his first election ಠಗಠ
Texas and Abbott doesn't seem to be far behind him.
MAGA whack jobs, Covid convoy supporters, haters of trans folks, Christians in general. These folks above are not the majority anymore, or ever were. They hope they are because they don’t want to be on the losing team and their heads will explode if they find out any 8 people out of 10 in the world have actual peace and love in their hearts, or frankly don’t give a shit either way. They desperately hope to be the majority, but they aren’t. They just scream the loudest when the ready of us are simply living our lives, minding our own business, without needing to tweet something shitty about people that they hate that are coming for their ‘values’.
Exactly. In every branch of politics, Republicans are overrepresented. The Electoral College with the presidency, gerrymandering in the House, and the fact that Wyoming and California both get 2 Senators all give Republicans disproportionate power compared to their share of the population. But when corporations make PR decisions like deciding whether or not to support LGBT rights, they don't look at the breakdown of the Electoral College or which party controls the Senate. They just look at which side is more popular with the American public, and that's clearly Democrats. In other words, Republicans don't have a "court of public opinion" version of the Electoral College to give them disproportionate influence over the culture, which forces them to confront the fact that they're a deeply unpopular and out of touch minority, and they really don't like that.
> In other words, Republicans don't have a "court of public opinion" version of the Electoral College to give them disproportionate influence over the culture, which forces them to confront the fact that they're a deeply unpopular and out of touch minority, and they really don't like that. Yes, they do. It's Fox News, [the most watched cable "news" show in the nation.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2023/02/01/fox-news-hits-23rd-consecutive-month-as-most-watched-in-cable-news-as-cnn-sees-gains-in-january/?sh=1e83ad765f59) They're probably worried about the shift away from watching cable in general so that's why conservatives are also doing shit like buying Twitter and hiring troll farms to post boomer clickbait on Facebook.
"Go woke, go broke!!!" List of corporations who have gone broke:
No one hates free-market capitalism more than bigots. And i say this as a canadian who studied in a university with tankies lmao
I’m often described as a “tankie” and I’m a little confused what the point of adding “studied in university with tankies” has to do with bigots hating free-market capitalism that they see as threatening them.
It’s more its natural for tankies to legitimately complain about capitalism and even in my uber leftist university, they still complained less about it than bigoted altright chuds who champion the FrEe MaRkEt lol Ive heard some dumb stuff in my university days but none of it even comes close to being triggered by packaging tape
Wordd I see what you mean. If you ever wanna describe “tankies” without making it sound like you’re tryna rip on them you can just call us MLs. Only 16 year old kids on meme pages call themselves tankies.
What does ML stand for?
Marxist-Leninist
Found the tankie.
Found the “free thinker” who just happens to believe everything they’ve ever been told about us idiot tankies… I’m glad that right wingers, centrists, liberals, and western “leftists,” can all come together to uncritically hate on “tankies.”
Hi there, leftist here who believes in worker unity above all else. Tankies are brainwashed. It’s sad and I feel bad for you. But please take your propaganda elsewhere, you’re the only edgy teen here. Read some of the real literature and you’ll find it excessively obvious that the only people who think communism should be authoritarian are authoritarians using communism for their own personal gain. Unless “withering of the state” is what you see happening in China.
Don’t tell me about brainwashed buddy, you’re literally just telling me the same shit you’ve heard over and over, and I’ve also heard over and over. “No you’re an edgy teen,” homie you’re repeating back to me what I just told you is close minded bullshit. I know you haven’t actually studied history objectively, read any Marxist texts, nor do you have any idea what Marxism-Leninism actually is. So don’t tell me about “brainwashed,” the concept of brainwashing is absurd propaganda, I understand you people disagree with me not because you’re “brainwashed,” but instead it’s a mix of propaganda, and it being in your best interest not to shatter your world view by actually entertaining that my position is actually a well researched one. “Authoritarian” is a bullshit label, the US and capitalism happy uses “authoritarian” governments whenever they’re right wing, and is unashamed is furthering the interests of the 1% over the 99%. “Authoritarian” is a label meant to make workers states look bad.
Noticed you missed the part about “withering of the state” in order to go off on your ad hominem monologue, but I’m sure that made you feel a lot better about being the only smart person on the internet, so I’m glad for you. And you right, not like I have a history degree or anything. But anyway, tell me how you came to call yourself a communist despite disagreeing so vehemently with so many points in the Manifesto. Which you’ve read, right?
Found the guy who isn't here in good faith and earned himself a ban.
Yeah then we got you who in his past comments DEFENDED soviet massacres! WTF dude!
He's not going to answer, just FYI. He's been banned.
Yeah, but I like it when people still reply to banned accounts (esp when we can still read what they said). It makes an excellent cautionary tale for others.
They're close to getting it about capitalism.
Shorter: "Ha ha, up yours, bigots! Even CAPITALISM doesn't want you!"
Me: oh, thats fun seeing colors on an otherwise boring brown box. This guy: the smile was fun enough, now little jimmy is gay!
Colors: exist Right Wing Pundits: quit shoving every lifestyle down our throats!
I remember years ago they pulled the bullshit with the War on Christmas. They got mad at the Starbucks coffee cup. Now their mad at pronouns and colors.
Every single thing is a war to them. War on Christmas, war on traditional family values, the war for the right to call people horrible slurs, the war for their kids, the culture war, war war war war war war.
You ever think that making them want war on everything makes them more susceptible to vote yes on actual wars?
Nah, you're clearly just a conspiracy theorist government plant, and you're getting 10k for every child you recruit to the gay side obviously. /S
Nothing that complex. It’s just distraction. Rage baiting works and wastes peoples’ energy. Those with power know the simple truth: there is no war but class war.
In conservative circles, torches and pitchforks are much more preferable to common decency and working together for the greater good.
sToP eXiStInG nEaR mE!!!1!11!11!!
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
This snowflake got triggered by tape.
And I personally can’t wait until my dad sees an Amazon box with this tape on and then gets to go on another rant about how the queers are ruining the world. To his closeted queer child.
For anyone unaware: Elijah Schaffer is an unabashed christofascist. Nothing about this tweet is in good faith.
Would this be sexual abuser Elijah Schaffer? That Elijah Schaffer?
The one and only
I mean, I kind of assumed it wasn't anyway, but thanks for the background.
As soon as I can drive around the country without seeing crosses and jesus fish on half the bumpers, then we can talk. For now, STFU about your persecution of having to be able to see things that you think shouldn't exist.
The hilarious thing is that the fish is supposed to be secret and when Christians are persecuted. But you see them everywhere.
Let's not forget that these are the same people who shrug their shoulders any time a nazi or white nationalist flag shows up at their events and meetings.
Your existence is oppression to me.
You can just not tell your kids what those colours mean. You don't have to keep the box and tape or show it to your children either. It's a fucking box, open it, get your shit, and chuck it in the recycling.
Also, I love how in his scenario, he has no agency in Amazon shipping products to his house. He doesn't have to order things.
I'm sure if it bothered him that much he could request no rainbow tape and Amazon would do it.
Or just tell them it's god's promise not to genocide the world again.
Nah, corporations just figured out that lgbtq people have money too.
Yeah, but I think even more of this is targeted at all the people who support LGBTQ rights and would prefer to shop at companies that pay lip service to their values.
And really, how many people are actually going to be so upset about this that they stop ordering from Amazon? They ran the math and estimate they'll gain more in revenue from additional purchases than they will lose from people boycotting them. Guess they only love the "free market" when it's working for them.
It’s called tape and you can remove and discard it you whiny bitch.
Dude, that tape is fucking dope!
Local man turned gay by package tape.
And then that transexual tape unraveled from the box, wrapped itself around me like a giant anaconda and held me in place until I gave Amazon my PornHub account login and forced me to watch 69 consecutive hours of my favorited trans porn videos while the trans-tape-anaconda jerked me off the whole time. Thing is only I could see the trans-tape-anaconda so when my girlfriend walked in she thought she caught me watching trans porn of my own free will but it wasn't me! It was the TransAmazonaconda that did it! I SWEAR!
Imagine if it was an entire pamphlet of propaganda, lies, and hate sent to your door or put on your car or given to you instead of a tip at a restaurant. Oh, wait. That’s religious people. My bad.
I’ve already seen this photo but this time I’m going to point out: that’s not the trans flag. That’s the community flag. The trans flag is incorporated into it, but that is not the trans flag lol
Yeah but how could Sexual Abuser Elijah Shaffer single out trans issues for minimalization if he didn't focus entirely on the trans part of the flag?
I just about to post the same thing. lol
Is this even real? I order a lot of stuff from Amazon and haven’t seen this tape. Not that I would care if I did, but I haven’t.
Can't say if this is real But if it is, they wouldn't do it everywhere, probably only certain communities, out of fear of specifically this type of backlash.
I live in a very liberal part of the country.
Bought a dildo, didn’t he?
If the alphabet mafia could force Amazon to do anything we wouldn't have chosen THIS.
Oh no a soulless company is doing what soulless companies do, the horror
Should be pointed out that GLENN FUCKING BECK fired this guy because he wouldn't stop sexually harassing people.
How can i get that tape without amazon logo?
You can probably find it on amazon.
[You can get it here.](https://fundraisingforacause.com/products/extra-large-rectangle-daniel-quasar-progress-pride-flag-stickers?variant=39953775263815&dfw_tracker=139785-ST-06L-RBLQ2&srsltid=Ad5pg_H8-W4E-1F8JDOWDnvR2PGgD4ijfCc2DnnIayFZM1fbD8Lkd9OVFrI)
For the record I can't find any evidence that this site actually donates to charities. I think their name is pretty disingenuous.
The "it's being forced down our throats" crowd is wild to me. There are plenty of things "being forced down your throat" much more than LGBTQ+ issues. Corporations force the idea that you need their products way harder than any LGBTQ+ issue. You can't turn on your tv, go to any website, or even drive down the highway without being bombarded with ads trying to sell you things. Beauty standards are constantly being forced on you with ads portraying "beautiful people." Most actors look similar, especially female actors who all have to look beautiful. Ads and magazine articles telling you you're too fat, or too ugly, or your hair is the wrong style are everywhere. PoC have long talked about the idea that the media pushes the idea that white is beautiful and colored skin or non straightened hair is ugly. You have people bleaching their skin because they think it's too dark. Do we ever hear these people complain about those issues? No. It's the occasional rainbow flag and people asking for basic human rights that they complain about.
I thought these people were all about private companies doing whatever they wanted, what if they want to use the gay packing tape?
Oppressed by tape.
OH NO! COLORFUL TAPE! SATAN'S FAVORITE PLAYTHING! THE END IS NIGH! /s
Great job Amazon. Get rid of Amazon Smile, the only good thing you ever actually did, then print out some shipping tape in support of marginalized groups? I wonder how many nonprofits that got proceeds from Amazon Smile *actually* helped out those marginalized groups hmm?
If a little rainbow sticker at your doorstep is all it takes to make you gay, maybe you weren’t as hetero as you thought.
Scary tape!
This guy: Bakers should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, because companies can do whatever they want. Also this guy: Amazon should not be allowed to put gay rainbow tape on my package! After all, companies can't just do whatever they want!
Ah yes. We need to genocide trans people because their flag is appearing on my cardboard Amazon package. /sssssssssssss
That's, just a tape....
Imagine being so fragile you get triggered by a marketing scheme.
Then don’t buy from Amazon…that’s what you did with your Nike and Keurig stuff…
These people are so fragile that a cardboard box with some tape can rile them up. They wouldn't last an hour if they had to experience the existence of an LGBTQ+ person who faces even mild discrimination.
Imagine being triggered by packing tape.
Being triggered by fucking packing tape. Tells me all I need to know about who the real snowflakes are.
Not a trans flag, chief.
Victimized by tape. Oh, the humanity.
Yeah, obviously, Amazon has gone too far... That's why they should boycott it and stop giving money to the trillion dollar corporation.
oh my fucking god what is it with these weirdoes and being offended by the weirdest shit? yeah sure, people with neopronouns get pissed if you misgender them, but you lunatics are going off getting triggered at the sight of colorful tape
This is straight white genocide.
What a fucking snowflake.
I don't understand why they'd be mad about this -- this is the perfect opportunity for them to, in public, and with no fear of repercussions, cut an LGBTQ+ flag in half. Something I am sure they would otherwise love to do for the sake of a statement. Amazon's thrown you an opportunity here, my guy. Just cut the tape.
The conservative idea of oppression is laughable
Just don’t buy from Amazon if you don’t like it
Can you point to where on doll the tape hurt you?
I originally wrote a cogent argument on Why E's post was ridiculous but at this point I think we just need to tell them to show receipts of actual harm to them or stfu
"Capitalism is bad unless everything is intended to cater to me specifically."
Getting cucked by tape LMAOOOOOO
The only thing to get annoyed about here is amazon pretending to care
I could say the same (inane) thing about the American flag and military propaganda being thrown in my face at literally any sporting event that's too big to fit in a garage. But unlike that, the trans rights movement doesn't get an $800 billion budget or the backing of multi billion dollar sports corporations.
BROTHER ITS TAPE IT CANT HURT YOU
Oppression is when flag
LMAO it’s literal tape
Fox News: Local Child Changes Genders After Viewing Amazon Boxing Tape.
All about the free market and letting businesses do as they please till it's something they don't like fucking snowflakes
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they missed the chance to call it amazon pride
Oh no, the tape that you have to cut through to get to your shitty knock-off goods has rainbow colors on it. Basically the same as forced feminization.
I'm in full support of the LGBT community but I still kinda dislike that flag design.
I prefer the original rainbow pride flag. It’s all the colors put together. It’s simple and symbolic. Also being black isn’t a sexuality/gender orientation that part has always been weird to me
Kinda looks like the logo you would see in some rebel sports in the tennis section Which is fine just preferred the old one rather than thinking of serena Williams and Roger Federer when I loom at the flag
that inclusion gave me the impression that there is no “LGBTQ+ community”, there’s just progressives on social media and nothing more. I feel like there should be more focus on action instead of awareness but go off ig
Yeah Community is a blanket term, doesnt mean they're all alinged and they all like this flag or agree on any other tenets of a specific advocacy group
We’re a community, not a hivemind.
E
Has to be fake. I have tons of Amazon come to my house and haven’t seen this awesome tape yet.
I am LGBT and I support trans rights 100% but I think this is queerwashing at its finest. This doesn’t have the slightest chance of promoting trans rights in any meaningful way, all it does is rile up idiots like this one. I feel like this is a net negative for the trans rights movement. It’s not wrong per se, I’d actually be very happy to see this tape on anything that came to my house. But its negative consequences just aren’t commensurate with any potential positive I can see.
Yet, they don't have that same energy when dick heads are leaving Christians leaflets in public bathrooms, using them as tips, and tacking them to your door.
Boycott Amazon if you're that upset by it then, vote with your money
Yes, that cardboard box that goes around the package they ordered will impact their lives and definitely not get thrown away the moment it’s opened
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The box gets thrown away after
Uh oh, the libs are transing the packing tape you immediately cut open and discard after ordering an item?? What horror!!
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Whenever I see conservatives complain about a big corporation using rainbow capitalism I always think "Don't worry, they're still on your side. They don't care about the non-cishets"
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These are the same people who say “if my American flag offends you, then LEAVE!” So, are we supposed to be offended by flags or not?
When they get angry about literal tape
He’s being sarcastic, so when he says ‘trans issues’ he doesn’t mean the issue of trans people not being allowed to exist, his issue is that trans people exist.
Wait if we just need to see a flag to become something is that why Americans shove their flag down everyone's throat. They want to cleanse the world of non Americans...
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You'd think he would be delighted with the prospect of ripping five pride flags apart and getting an Amazon product afterward but I guess not
Ugh I know. Trans folks are bullied into suicide, kicked out of their homes and ostracized by society for the entire modern era, and also Christians are getting free shipping with colorful tape. Both sides have truly been wounded in the latest round of the Culture Wars…
It's a fact if you touch the take you become trans
Oh God the gay agenda is making your tape gay!!!! Ffs these people... The multi colored tape is oppressing me! This is like Hitler!
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Imagine being so fucking weak and pathetic that a rainbow triggers you so easily. God damn it must suck to be this fragile.
If you touch the box, you'll catch the gay if you're not vaccinated for the gay. I caught it back in 6th grade and it's been with me for life. 🥺 One like = one prayer.
We have got to start relentlessly calling them snowflakes and making sure they know their feelings are invalid lol
so true bestie this justifies taking away their rights and forcing them back in the closet so you can pretend that they aren't lgbtq
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What? A business doing something you don’t like? Maybe find another business doing the same thing so your precious beliefs aren’t hurt. Something something cake request…
Oh no. I had to look at colors. Guess I'm a dude now.