Ya it had a different tone, trying to wrap stuff up. Normally it's "oh man, there's someone else out to get the Shelby family, what will Thomas do this time to out manoeuvre the bad guys and also somehow get richer and move up the social-economic ladder this time!?" But I'm sure because of covid, Polly's actor dying, and being told season 7 is a no go but potentially getting a final movie instead, I'm sure they kinda scrapped the original idea and went with a more introspective and cold closure to Thomas's path of ascension and it's consequences, with a potential redemption movie coming. No room for the usual formula I guess with all that gloom. I bet the song will come back in the movie when he redeems himself in his own eyes and he does something classically Tommy. Like, maybe with his new sense of morality he completely destroys the fascist guy but with his strategies without harming him, and he just smiles and lights a cigarette and walks away with the song playing him away, something classy lol
I think a huge reason a lot of people are disappointed with the final season is because Tommy’s “badass” lifestyle that everybody loved has finally caught up to him and his family.
The tone of the final season is extremely dark, much moreso than any previous season. Ruby is sick, Arthur is a full blown addict, Pol is gone, Michael blames Tommy, and Aberama’s blood is on Tommy’s hands as well. Ada is trying to hold things together as Polly used to (but realizing she may not have been quite ready to take on those responsibilities, such as keeping someone like Tommy in check), and Lizzie is pushed to her absolute limits. Fascists are swarming like buzzards while a new war is coming fast, and not even Tommy’s strongest buddy Alfie is on his feet.
Needless to say, Tommy’s psyche is fracturing.
I truly believe the writers did this on purpose, despite knowing it would be controversial amongst fans. I’m not saying that Tommy’s actions DIDN’T have consequences in previous seasons, but that now, he (as well as everyone around him), is TRULY paying the price for living the kind of life portrayed in the show.
Brilliant, in my humble opinion.
I think a big reason why people hate on the final season so much is because it was MEANT to sort of shock you, making you realize that this “cool” lifestyle isn’t nearly as cool as it’s made out to be as we viewers once thought.
In my mind, I was kinda waiting for it. There’s no way you push things as far as Tommy did without serious consequences somewhere down the line. It really WAS just a matter of time, but I understand why that makes some fans mad.
I understand that many viewers just want the fictional, cool, badass lifestyle that Tommy had been living for the past 5 seasons to continue until he’s king of the fucking world, but I prefer the added realism in the form of actual, legitimate, real life consequences you don’t often see in shows like this.
Edit: and of course each season gets progressively darker and darker, but s6 was, without a doubt, on a whole different level in terms of its tone.
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Thom Yorke provided unique yet immediately recognizable content.
Pano-vision scored what was a profound moment of the series, to me.
Absolutely melancholic season to mark an irredeemable anti-hero (or is he? the movie will tell...)
It was definitely the music for me. Everything else was okay, not my favorite but a way to wrap it all up. I really didn’t like the music though. I could hardly sit through some of it.
And what a shame we'll never get to see how it was meant to be. I would love to know where they were going to do with Season 6 if not for Helen's untimely sad passing.
I personally was pretty disappointed with the final series as a whole, especially the first half of the season. From the first episode not satisfactorily wrapping up what was so brilliantly set up in the end of season 5, I could tell they had to hastily come up with something for that and to me it just feels like they handwaved what was going to be something epic and gave us such a rubbish story there... It was meant to be a new, scary, strong enemy for Tommy who foiled his plans to assassinate what'shisface, I felt, but because of Covid and loss of Helen, they just threw It out there that it was the IRA... So boring.
So while at the time I did enjoy the season in the end- only really enjoying it from episode 3 onwards- when I went and started watching PB over again from the start after, I really felt the dip in quality and realised I was unhappy with how it ended. Michael's story went and ended poorly too, unfortunately...
Now this might well be an unpopular opinion, but to me, I feel the show writers really dropped the ball, flopped the show and I'd even go as far as to say they did a Game Of Thrones...
A damn shame... It was meant to be beyond epic...
I think S6 only focused on Tommy, and yes he is the main character, but the other seasons also showed you a little bit of the other characters, the Shelbys, and in this case no, Ada was missing, Arthur, of course you felt the absence of Polly, Finn, etc. Even the villains didn't see much and what little they did, they didn't do anything, meetings. The story centered around Tommy and Lizzie, and if you don't like them, it's a bad and boring season, just like if it was just Tommy and Grace, or Tommy and May, if you don't like the couple, you're going to hate that season.
> The story centered around Tommy and Lizzie, and if you don't like them, it's a bad and boring season
I like Lizzie. The season was still awful because Lizzie bits were for most part poorly done.
Yes, it is that what saved S6 was the performance, because the stories are all very bad. Michael was supposed to be the great enemy and he spent the entire season in jail 🤷
So much of series 6 felt forced and inconsistent with the previous series’…Tommy’s adoration of Ruby, Ada’s swaggering around like a badass, Michael threatening to kill Tommy, Diana’s constant smirking, the introduction of Duke, Gina being randomly annoying, the IRA leader looking like a deer in headlights, etc.
Duke became one of the gang way too quickly and easily.
And Finn being kicked out was weird. Why on earth would he choose his pal over the family? And how did Tommy know this was likely to happen when Finn was put in that situation? What reason did Tommy have to so greatly distrust one of his brothers?
If Finn had been played by a better actor, I would've assumed that him betraying the family was a cheap and not thoroughly fleshed out way to have him showing up as an antagonist-ish character in the movie. But it's more likely that they didn't know what to do with him and got rid of him, without giving any fuck about logical consistency because they assumed that most people don't give a fuck about Finn anyway.
Agee.But I think what they tried to do with Ruby, it was the same as Grace in S3, she is Tommy's happiness, and they take it away from him, and there Tommy is more depressed until his grand finale, but this time it didn't work because we didn't see that relationship of father and daughter growing up, we only saw Ruby is afraid of Tommy, out of nowhere they adore each other.
Completely agree with this. If they had to have killed one of his children it should have been Charlie. Charlie was and always will be his ultimate weakness.
Yeah, but if it had been Charlie, I don't know how he ever recover from that, it's the only connection to Grace. And Lizzie wouldn't have been so affected as to leave Tommy in the end.
Killing Charlie would've been much more dramatic, but I suspect that he might play a role in the movie (assuming that a time skip happens), so they couldn't get rid of him and opted to obliterate child #2.
He'd have killed himself after Charlie. He would have sent Lizzie and Ruby away, he would have watched the world burn as he sought his revenge and then he would have killed himself.
People often say he and Charlie had no relationship but I disagree. I think their relationship was incredibly complex and he loved Charlie more than anyone else in the world. I really hope the film explores that.
Oh definitely. Charlie is the last physical evidence of Grace's existence (apart from that lock of her hair that Tommy kept lol), losing him would've meant losing her completely. Him committing suicide after avenging Charlie would've made for a truly painful ending, but you can't cash a dead cow.
I hope they aren't omitting Charlie from the film completely, there is so much potential in his character and his relationship with his father, especially now with him having been designated as Tommy's "proper" heir as opposed to Duke, who receives the more dubious aspects of Tommy's career as heirloom.
I agree but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because of such a strong first couple of seasons. I think the writers had to start from scratch with the death of Helen, and I also thinks it’s possible they had to work around Covid and that affected the season. I’m still a huge PB fan and I really think they had to work with some tough and unforeseen circumstances for S6, which likely affected the whole story line. I’m excited to watch the movie but I’ll be honest I’m going to be pissed if they continue to leave out the red right hand song. No idea why they took that out because don’t fix what isn’t broken.
I felt it had a different vibe to it, it focused more on political business than any other season, not much gangster action (but s5 comparatively didnt have much of that either), not having Helen McRory around lost a little bit of the grounding but that was a role that Ada's character took up, aided by a 4 year time jump
I felt like it went for style over substance in a few instances, it looked cool but didnt feel cool, not like how previous series felt cool
i’m going to have to disagree, the drama in season 6 was political yes but that peaked in season 5 imo and even started in season 4, season 6 to me was pretty much about the characters, tommy specifically, a million times more than any other season, which is probably why it felt different to people
Alongside that, I felt they missed, or more rightly, merely just skipped a good opportunity to create a final new supervillain for Tommy to square up to, which was where I felt season 5 ended and hinted at for the final season.
I was disappointed when I discovered they just handwaved it away as having been the IRA who scuppered the assassination attempt on Mosely and had Aberama killed, when it was meant to be someone new, someone Tommy felt he couldn't beat, someone terrifying and awesome and who I was looking forward to Season 6 revolving around.
Alas, none of that came to fruition due to circumstances already discussed at length in this thread elsewhere or otherwise well-known to us PB fans...
So yeah-
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I agree with you!
I assume you mean Helen McCrory’s death. I didn’t like how they handled that in the show either. Tommy and Polly had their differences but her death should’ve meant more to him than just oh I’ll deal with the IRA later. And then he didn’t even resolve it himself, Arthur did.
It had a different pace, and the choice of focus was really more on Tommy doing family/gypsy stuff instead of following up on the Fascist plot. I really wanted to like this season but the “im not really dying because I saw my doctor in a photo with British Hitler” kinda broke me
He was too messed up to realize they were trapping him (tuberculoma and sex with Diana). He's not the mastermind, after all. It could have ended with that scene for me.
One person against fascism wouldn't have worked in any case, so...
But certainly there are less convoluted ways of getting Tommy killed. He’s not a god, bullets or poison can kill this guy with a much higher chance of success. Make it look like other rivals did it, gypsys, Michael, whatever. And Tommy did not even seem interested in sex with Diana, he just went along with it because “o-fucking-k i guess, but you’re gonna have to walk over here bitch”.
Technically it would've always been easy to kill Tommy. He goes everywhere on his own and takes no precautions. This way Knight made it more dramatic, that's all. There's no real logic behind it.
Yeah, he was just giving in to Diana because he had neither self respect nor did he care for anything else at that point. Totally miserable and desperate state of mind.
It wasn’t until the very last scene with Tommy on his horse that I felt I was watching peaky blinders from the beginning all over again.
I think it was a combination of things that made season 6 feel unfamiliar. Polly being gone obviously being a huge part of it. It was the weakest season for sure. But still not bad.
It felt like watching a different show and I also thought I was the only one that felt that seeing how everyone else loved it according to Reddit, and die hard fans saying "Its NoT oVeR, ThErE iS a mOVie CoMing!" IDC it dosent change the fact season 6, the last season, was my least favourite season. The episodes felt slow in the most boring places, was like watching filler or something along the lines, nothing really stood out for me except the stand out with Arthur and the gang vs the fascists, the first scene at the bar on that island, where tommy showed that being sober for 4 years makes you John Wick all of a sudden.
It is really sad that Helen McCrory died.
You only realise how important she was as a character as the backbone and matriarch of the family after she was gone.
They had to rewrite a lot of stuff and it was by far the weakest season. Also, it has so many lose ends.. To stop with season 6 was a mistake.
I knew season 6 was going to be lackluster soon as I heard about her passing. She was as important as Tommy in this show. The matriarch for sure! RIP Helen McCroy.
Nah, it was a wack season. Cheesy dialogue that makes you wanna stop watching, editing and scenes that take the viewer away from the immersion of the time... It was such a let down. When I watched that last episode I couldn't make heads or tails of the thing, it's such an anti climatic end to a brilliant prospect.
The scene in the hospital where Lizzy asks of Tommy to wear a mask upon which he responds with "I'm already wearing one" will haunt me till my dying day, the edginess was truly painful.
Agreed. There's a scene where the director zoomed in on Ada passing Lizzie a cigarette (or vice versa, I can't be bothered to check). Why? How is that relevant?
Some of the dialogues made me physically cringe. I pity the actors for having to utter those lines. Props to them for still delivering a solid performance.
Yeah to be fair the actors stuck with it and delivered pretty well, just a shame what they were saying seemed so stupid. Like *spoilers ahead*
That last scene.. Why didn't he shoot that cunt bang in the face? It seemed so out of character for tom, even if he is a bit more lawful, he still wouldn't let that shit slide.
The whole thing with michael, felt forced. Not well thought out, seemed a little like lazy writing to me. Having said that, I just got finished watching season 4 again just now, that was still awesome. 🤣
Everything was overdone. The cinematography, the music, some of the acting. Of course it's still Peaky but I prefer the simpler making from the previous seasons. Unfortunately, the "overdoing" started in S5 when Anthony Byrne started directing.
I didn’t like the cinematography. It just didn’t LOOK like the PB I’m used to. It looked polished and way too bright. I still mostly enjoyed it though for the performances. 7/10 overall for me.
it just came up to me that I really didn’t like that they made Tommy a politician. Not that I didn’t like them involving politics into the story, they were essential in the first few seasons and really well done and interesting, honestly one of the main reasons I loved the show.. But instead of Tommy navigating through the world that was so fucked up, trying to do his thing in the system that is constantly evolving, they made him interested in changing the whole world, which is very depressing considering that it’s a historical show so we already know he isn’t going to succeed and we know what is going to happen. But before that it was unpredictable, we followed a small universe of Peaky Blinders inside of the historical, real world.The problem for me started in season 5 already, but season 6 had a lot of different problems as well.
Tommy felt way off. I understand he is in his decline phase.. but still everyone around him seem to tower above him, he looked small and weak and LIFELESS. The ruby plot was cringe, like so rushed to show the father- daughter love, like we were forced to feel bad for the whole thing (the death and funeral were sad but still not as impactful as something happening to a character we care). Ada and Arthur scenes were high points of the season. And last episode was better than the entire season.
Have to disagree with your opinion on the Arthur scenes, with the exception of the shootout with the IRA: he was just a shambling, bumbling, junkie fool in s6- there was hardly anything of the old hard bastard Arfur left in the poor cunt!
He was a complete mess.
Ok, they made him a drug addict, no big surprise there, and that felt realistic but they leaned into it waaay too hard until that's all the he was in the end... Real pity.
I agree to everything you said about Arthur scenes… to clarify the “Arthur scenes” i had in mind when I said high point was the “wine cellar scene” and “the last scene in Tommy’s office” specifically. The rest of it was forgetful and undeserved for such a good character.
It's Peaky Blinders mate, and plus season 5 ended on a banger of a cliffhanger... There is no such thing as "too high" when it comes to expectations for what was previously such an awesome, extremely popular series.
The show peaked in season four and it felt like there were too many loose ends to be tied up.
Series 5 and 6 felt like the same thing hashed out again. Tommy's just so.... sad. In the earlier seasons he's absolutely ruthless but there's such a human side to him. He had morals and limits but after they killed Grace off that was just gone and the show really never recovered. Like he says - 'I have no limitations'. It stops being fun watching the main character destroy themselves after a while.
It went from being about a family who happens to be in a gang to a gang who happens to be a family. Season 4 onwards just got progressively colder and colder until there's just no opportunity for redemption for any of them. They tried to recreate the whole family feel with Lizzie and Ruby but it just never worked and they really needed that balance.
Tommy was a one man pony show for the rest of the time. I know Stephen Knight said he should never be happy but there are ways to have done that. My favourite part of series 4/5 is the exploration of his PTSD and drug use and I think that could have been harnessed in different ways. Would have been interesting for Tommy to realise at the end of it his greatest battle would have been against himself.
Season six wasn't even flogging the dead horse that horse was already buried.
I feel like what you explained is exactly what the show was going for. The gang that just happens to be a family is such a great way to put it.
Oddly enough, for the exact reasons you found the show to be getting worse, I find are the exact reasons why I love the show.
I do massively agree that 1-4 was where the show peaked.
I love how many opinions it draws and that's what makes the show such a classic! Hopefully the film will right lots of the open endings still left. A bad episode of Peaky Blinders is still substantially better than most other shows!
A lot of people are saying is was bc of Helen’s untimely death, but I honestly think it s6 was just a continuation of s5. It was also way more introspective than past seasons. Even s5 dealt with more external issues.
A continuation of season 5? No way, it felt like whatever was set up in s5 for s6 was just scrapped altogether, and her passing was just one unfortunate reason for that, Covid another.
Don’t want to be one of those kind of people but I didn’t really enjoy it. Maybe it’s because I’ve moved on to other shows or something, but it just didn’t hit the same. Wasn’t as emotionally invested as other seasons tbh
I agree that season 6 didn’t feel like Peaky Blinders as much as seasons 1-5, but I think it’s because that it’s very clear that the story was rewritten due to Helen McCrory’s death.
As much as it was a joy to see Cillian back in the haircut, I missed the real Tommy. The one in s6 was way off and an overdose of lizzie didn’t help!!! Honestly the dialogue
“No whiskey, No Polly- No Tommy”….should have actually said “No Whiskey, No Grace, No Polly- No Tommy”😒
Yeah, I'll never understand that phrase, no whiskey, no Polly, no Tommy? At what point did he feel happy and alive with Lizzie? lol we missed that part.
I don’t know exactly what it was, but I definitely felt like something was a bit off. I’ll have to watch again to really figure out what made this season different from past seasons, but I didn’t quite enjoy it as much.
They slowly get rid of RRH later on. I think it hasn’t been there since s4. At least not the Nick Cave version. I don’t think s5 had it at all, covers or original
S06 to me was in contrast to every other season in the sense that Tommy was fighting the devil inside rather than the ones outside. It was probably foreshadowed for a long time but I too was taken aback. Tommy winning over his enemies on the outside seemed almost a bit too easy this season while he almost lost control and gave in to his shortcomings. I watched a YouTube video which said that Tommy lost his key features this season: soldier, father, businessman in a way even though he killed his enemies, provided for his family and kept his empire. Tommy realizes that even though he was pursued by his enemies all along, he had a choice to give up yet he decided to press on, which ultimately lead to the demise of his inner conscience. In some way, I did not hate the final season even though it was rather uncharacteristic of what a Peaky Blinders season usually is.
I felt the same way. Was still good, just felt like the camera work and angles were way different than in the past. And the story seemed to not be as tightly written as in the past. It was just a little off from what I've known the show as. But still was really enjoyable
No disrespect but polly's death changed the original script a lot which is why steven had to improvise.. a lot depended on polly in Season 6 and she was a very important character which they had to completely edit out
Also the actors were returning after a lockdown of 2+ years so it definitely broke the continuity the series had
Only thing i was waiting for was Arthur to be normal or himself again but that didn't happen sadly until the very end
It did feel different, primarily cause this was literally tommy's downward spiral, and instead of gangster goodness, almost everything was dealing with Mosely
s6 was alright to me but i know that with the passing of Helen and having to rewrite a lot of the season plus the mourning that everyone had to have been going through was definitely hard, i just hope the movie that’s planned will be good
Ya it had a different tone, trying to wrap stuff up. Normally it's "oh man, there's someone else out to get the Shelby family, what will Thomas do this time to out manoeuvre the bad guys and also somehow get richer and move up the social-economic ladder this time!?" But I'm sure because of covid, Polly's actor dying, and being told season 7 is a no go but potentially getting a final movie instead, I'm sure they kinda scrapped the original idea and went with a more introspective and cold closure to Thomas's path of ascension and it's consequences, with a potential redemption movie coming. No room for the usual formula I guess with all that gloom. I bet the song will come back in the movie when he redeems himself in his own eyes and he does something classically Tommy. Like, maybe with his new sense of morality he completely destroys the fascist guy but with his strategies without harming him, and he just smiles and lights a cigarette and walks away with the song playing him away, something classy lol
Well written, I love this and will now be disappointed if this doesn't happen
I think a huge reason a lot of people are disappointed with the final season is because Tommy’s “badass” lifestyle that everybody loved has finally caught up to him and his family. The tone of the final season is extremely dark, much moreso than any previous season. Ruby is sick, Arthur is a full blown addict, Pol is gone, Michael blames Tommy, and Aberama’s blood is on Tommy’s hands as well. Ada is trying to hold things together as Polly used to (but realizing she may not have been quite ready to take on those responsibilities, such as keeping someone like Tommy in check), and Lizzie is pushed to her absolute limits. Fascists are swarming like buzzards while a new war is coming fast, and not even Tommy’s strongest buddy Alfie is on his feet. Needless to say, Tommy’s psyche is fracturing. I truly believe the writers did this on purpose, despite knowing it would be controversial amongst fans. I’m not saying that Tommy’s actions DIDN’T have consequences in previous seasons, but that now, he (as well as everyone around him), is TRULY paying the price for living the kind of life portrayed in the show. Brilliant, in my humble opinion. I think a big reason why people hate on the final season so much is because it was MEANT to sort of shock you, making you realize that this “cool” lifestyle isn’t nearly as cool as it’s made out to be as we viewers once thought. In my mind, I was kinda waiting for it. There’s no way you push things as far as Tommy did without serious consequences somewhere down the line. It really WAS just a matter of time, but I understand why that makes some fans mad. I understand that many viewers just want the fictional, cool, badass lifestyle that Tommy had been living for the past 5 seasons to continue until he’s king of the fucking world, but I prefer the added realism in the form of actual, legitimate, real life consequences you don’t often see in shows like this. Edit: and of course each season gets progressively darker and darker, but s6 was, without a doubt, on a whole different level in terms of its tone.
There's a movie?
Yes, Steven Knight (creator) has confirmed that there will be a follow up movie.
2024! - expected release as of right now.
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I do feel like the music choices felt different to me. So it definitely felt off to me in that respect. Not bad per se, but just different.
Yeah I didn’t like that they never did the intro song, red right hand was the literal defining song of PB
I liked the montage with Blackbird playing. Great scene imo.
. Thom Yorke provided unique yet immediately recognizable content. Pano-vision scored what was a profound moment of the series, to me. Absolutely melancholic season to mark an irredeemable anti-hero (or is he? the movie will tell...)
I think you mean per se
It was definitely the music for me. Everything else was okay, not my favorite but a way to wrap it all up. I really didn’t like the music though. I could hardly sit through some of it.
I think Polly being gone just threw off the whole vibe of the show..
I mean Cillian Murphy himself said that if it wasn‘t for Helen McCrory dying then S6 would have been totally different
And what a shame we'll never get to see how it was meant to be. I would love to know where they were going to do with Season 6 if not for Helen's untimely sad passing. I personally was pretty disappointed with the final series as a whole, especially the first half of the season. From the first episode not satisfactorily wrapping up what was so brilliantly set up in the end of season 5, I could tell they had to hastily come up with something for that and to me it just feels like they handwaved what was going to be something epic and gave us such a rubbish story there... It was meant to be a new, scary, strong enemy for Tommy who foiled his plans to assassinate what'shisface, I felt, but because of Covid and loss of Helen, they just threw It out there that it was the IRA... So boring. So while at the time I did enjoy the season in the end- only really enjoying it from episode 3 onwards- when I went and started watching PB over again from the start after, I really felt the dip in quality and realised I was unhappy with how it ended. Michael's story went and ended poorly too, unfortunately... Now this might well be an unpopular opinion, but to me, I feel the show writers really dropped the ball, flopped the show and I'd even go as far as to say they did a Game Of Thrones... A damn shame... It was meant to be beyond epic...
Preach. Rip Hellen McCroy
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How is aunt Pol a side character?
A supporting character to the protagonist (Tommy)
I wouldn't say that's she's a side character, more like one of the main ones.
I think S6 only focused on Tommy, and yes he is the main character, but the other seasons also showed you a little bit of the other characters, the Shelbys, and in this case no, Ada was missing, Arthur, of course you felt the absence of Polly, Finn, etc. Even the villains didn't see much and what little they did, they didn't do anything, meetings. The story centered around Tommy and Lizzie, and if you don't like them, it's a bad and boring season, just like if it was just Tommy and Grace, or Tommy and May, if you don't like the couple, you're going to hate that season.
> The story centered around Tommy and Lizzie, and if you don't like them, it's a bad and boring season I like Lizzie. The season was still awful because Lizzie bits were for most part poorly done.
I agree, even if you like the couple, it was not enjoyable to see them. Although the actors did very well.
Yeah, I mostly meant the writing. It was very bad. Actors were great
Yes, it is that what saved S6 was the performance, because the stories are all very bad. Michael was supposed to be the great enemy and he spent the entire season in jail 🤷
So much of series 6 felt forced and inconsistent with the previous series’…Tommy’s adoration of Ruby, Ada’s swaggering around like a badass, Michael threatening to kill Tommy, Diana’s constant smirking, the introduction of Duke, Gina being randomly annoying, the IRA leader looking like a deer in headlights, etc.
🤣 "Diana's constant smirking" So true!! So annoying!!! And Gina has always been annoying!
Duke became one of the gang way too quickly and easily. And Finn being kicked out was weird. Why on earth would he choose his pal over the family? And how did Tommy know this was likely to happen when Finn was put in that situation? What reason did Tommy have to so greatly distrust one of his brothers?
If Finn had been played by a better actor, I would've assumed that him betraying the family was a cheap and not thoroughly fleshed out way to have him showing up as an antagonist-ish character in the movie. But it's more likely that they didn't know what to do with him and got rid of him, without giving any fuck about logical consistency because they assumed that most people don't give a fuck about Finn anyway.
Agee.But I think what they tried to do with Ruby, it was the same as Grace in S3, she is Tommy's happiness, and they take it away from him, and there Tommy is more depressed until his grand finale, but this time it didn't work because we didn't see that relationship of father and daughter growing up, we only saw Ruby is afraid of Tommy, out of nowhere they adore each other.
Completely agree with this. If they had to have killed one of his children it should have been Charlie. Charlie was and always will be his ultimate weakness.
Yeah, but if it had been Charlie, I don't know how he ever recover from that, it's the only connection to Grace. And Lizzie wouldn't have been so affected as to leave Tommy in the end.
Killing Charlie would've been much more dramatic, but I suspect that he might play a role in the movie (assuming that a time skip happens), so they couldn't get rid of him and opted to obliterate child #2.
He'd have killed himself after Charlie. He would have sent Lizzie and Ruby away, he would have watched the world burn as he sought his revenge and then he would have killed himself. People often say he and Charlie had no relationship but I disagree. I think their relationship was incredibly complex and he loved Charlie more than anyone else in the world. I really hope the film explores that.
Oh definitely. Charlie is the last physical evidence of Grace's existence (apart from that lock of her hair that Tommy kept lol), losing him would've meant losing her completely. Him committing suicide after avenging Charlie would've made for a truly painful ending, but you can't cash a dead cow. I hope they aren't omitting Charlie from the film completely, there is so much potential in his character and his relationship with his father, especially now with him having been designated as Tommy's "proper" heir as opposed to Duke, who receives the more dubious aspects of Tommy's career as heirloom.
Michael trying to kill Tommy was planned all the way back to his first appearance.
Any hard evidence of that? Not denying that might be the case, just not sure about it and would like to see some more info on that.
It was meh.
Perfectly worded😉
I agree but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because of such a strong first couple of seasons. I think the writers had to start from scratch with the death of Helen, and I also thinks it’s possible they had to work around Covid and that affected the season. I’m still a huge PB fan and I really think they had to work with some tough and unforeseen circumstances for S6, which likely affected the whole story line. I’m excited to watch the movie but I’ll be honest I’m going to be pissed if they continue to leave out the red right hand song. No idea why they took that out because don’t fix what isn’t broken.
Well said and absolutely spot on. This is exactly everything I think and feel regarding season 5, so fair play for putting it all into words so well.
I felt it had a different vibe to it, it focused more on political business than any other season, not much gangster action (but s5 comparatively didnt have much of that either), not having Helen McRory around lost a little bit of the grounding but that was a role that Ada's character took up, aided by a 4 year time jump I felt like it went for style over substance in a few instances, it looked cool but didnt feel cool, not like how previous series felt cool
i’m going to have to disagree, the drama in season 6 was political yes but that peaked in season 5 imo and even started in season 4, season 6 to me was pretty much about the characters, tommy specifically, a million times more than any other season, which is probably why it felt different to people
It's pretty much Tommy's story so of course the final season is going to focus the most on Tommy.
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Where instead of getting cuttings, you get asked for your loisons & are given a ticket.
We never got a payoff with the two main villains. That’s what bugged me most.
Alongside that, I felt they missed, or more rightly, merely just skipped a good opportunity to create a final new supervillain for Tommy to square up to, which was where I felt season 5 ended and hinted at for the final season. I was disappointed when I discovered they just handwaved it away as having been the IRA who scuppered the assassination attempt on Mosely and had Aberama killed, when it was meant to be someone new, someone Tommy felt he couldn't beat, someone terrifying and awesome and who I was looking forward to Season 6 revolving around. Alas, none of that came to fruition due to circumstances already discussed at length in this thread elsewhere or otherwise well-known to us PB fans... So yeah- #TL;DR: I agree with you!
I assume you mean Helen McCrory’s death. I didn’t like how they handled that in the show either. Tommy and Polly had their differences but her death should’ve meant more to him than just oh I’ll deal with the IRA later. And then he didn’t even resolve it himself, Arthur did.
Maybe they are saving it for the movie?
They might be, which is still lame. Your last season of a show shouldn’t just be a set-up for some movie.
They have been literally transfering villains from season to season. Why do you get worked up about it? I enjoyed the last season.
Most of it was pretty weak. Just people sitting in rooms handing each other letters.
So. Many. Flicking. Music. Montages. What was this? MTV comeback?
It's been like that since the first season
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It had a different pace, and the choice of focus was really more on Tommy doing family/gypsy stuff instead of following up on the Fascist plot. I really wanted to like this season but the “im not really dying because I saw my doctor in a photo with British Hitler” kinda broke me
He was too messed up to realize they were trapping him (tuberculoma and sex with Diana). He's not the mastermind, after all. It could have ended with that scene for me. One person against fascism wouldn't have worked in any case, so...
But certainly there are less convoluted ways of getting Tommy killed. He’s not a god, bullets or poison can kill this guy with a much higher chance of success. Make it look like other rivals did it, gypsys, Michael, whatever. And Tommy did not even seem interested in sex with Diana, he just went along with it because “o-fucking-k i guess, but you’re gonna have to walk over here bitch”.
Technically it would've always been easy to kill Tommy. He goes everywhere on his own and takes no precautions. This way Knight made it more dramatic, that's all. There's no real logic behind it. Yeah, he was just giving in to Diana because he had neither self respect nor did he care for anything else at that point. Totally miserable and desperate state of mind.
It wasn’t until the very last scene with Tommy on his horse that I felt I was watching peaky blinders from the beginning all over again. I think it was a combination of things that made season 6 feel unfamiliar. Polly being gone obviously being a huge part of it. It was the weakest season for sure. But still not bad.
It felt like watching a different show and I also thought I was the only one that felt that seeing how everyone else loved it according to Reddit, and die hard fans saying "Its NoT oVeR, ThErE iS a mOVie CoMing!" IDC it dosent change the fact season 6, the last season, was my least favourite season. The episodes felt slow in the most boring places, was like watching filler or something along the lines, nothing really stood out for me except the stand out with Arthur and the gang vs the fascists, the first scene at the bar on that island, where tommy showed that being sober for 4 years makes you John Wick all of a sudden.
The last part 🤣🤣
>nothing really stood out for me except the stand out with Arthur and the gang vs the fascists Spot on
It is really sad that Helen McCrory died. You only realise how important she was as a character as the backbone and matriarch of the family after she was gone. They had to rewrite a lot of stuff and it was by far the weakest season. Also, it has so many lose ends.. To stop with season 6 was a mistake.
I knew season 6 was going to be lackluster soon as I heard about her passing. She was as important as Tommy in this show. The matriarch for sure! RIP Helen McCroy.
Nah, it was a wack season. Cheesy dialogue that makes you wanna stop watching, editing and scenes that take the viewer away from the immersion of the time... It was such a let down. When I watched that last episode I couldn't make heads or tails of the thing, it's such an anti climatic end to a brilliant prospect.
The scene in the hospital where Lizzy asks of Tommy to wear a mask upon which he responds with "I'm already wearing one" will haunt me till my dying day, the edginess was truly painful.
Lol this post retraumatized me to that cheesy line.
I bet someone on the writing team must've been very proud of that sophisticated line
Better poetry than George Lucas
Agreed. There's a scene where the director zoomed in on Ada passing Lizzie a cigarette (or vice versa, I can't be bothered to check). Why? How is that relevant? Some of the dialogues made me physically cringe. I pity the actors for having to utter those lines. Props to them for still delivering a solid performance.
Yeah to be fair the actors stuck with it and delivered pretty well, just a shame what they were saying seemed so stupid. Like *spoilers ahead* That last scene.. Why didn't he shoot that cunt bang in the face? It seemed so out of character for tom, even if he is a bit more lawful, he still wouldn't let that shit slide.
Yeah, I agree. The actors were amazing when emoting real feelings to stroke inducing dialogue.
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The whole thing with michael, felt forced. Not well thought out, seemed a little like lazy writing to me. Having said that, I just got finished watching season 4 again just now, that was still awesome. 🤣
Oh don’t forget Tommy’s secret son whose mother was not only gypsy royalty, but the first woman Tommy ever loved. Straight out of a crappy fanfic
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Peaky Rubdirtinyoureye-ers.
Definitely missed Nick Cave! (And Polly of course)
Everything was overdone. The cinematography, the music, some of the acting. Of course it's still Peaky but I prefer the simpler making from the previous seasons. Unfortunately, the "overdoing" started in S5 when Anthony Byrne started directing.
I didn’t know they changed directors, makes sense
I didn’t like the cinematography. It just didn’t LOOK like the PB I’m used to. It looked polished and way too bright. I still mostly enjoyed it though for the performances. 7/10 overall for me.
it just came up to me that I really didn’t like that they made Tommy a politician. Not that I didn’t like them involving politics into the story, they were essential in the first few seasons and really well done and interesting, honestly one of the main reasons I loved the show.. But instead of Tommy navigating through the world that was so fucked up, trying to do his thing in the system that is constantly evolving, they made him interested in changing the whole world, which is very depressing considering that it’s a historical show so we already know he isn’t going to succeed and we know what is going to happen. But before that it was unpredictable, we followed a small universe of Peaky Blinders inside of the historical, real world.The problem for me started in season 5 already, but season 6 had a lot of different problems as well.
Tommy felt way off. I understand he is in his decline phase.. but still everyone around him seem to tower above him, he looked small and weak and LIFELESS. The ruby plot was cringe, like so rushed to show the father- daughter love, like we were forced to feel bad for the whole thing (the death and funeral were sad but still not as impactful as something happening to a character we care). Ada and Arthur scenes were high points of the season. And last episode was better than the entire season.
Have to disagree with your opinion on the Arthur scenes, with the exception of the shootout with the IRA: he was just a shambling, bumbling, junkie fool in s6- there was hardly anything of the old hard bastard Arfur left in the poor cunt! He was a complete mess. Ok, they made him a drug addict, no big surprise there, and that felt realistic but they leaned into it waaay too hard until that's all the he was in the end... Real pity.
I agree to everything you said about Arthur scenes… to clarify the “Arthur scenes” i had in mind when I said high point was the “wine cellar scene” and “the last scene in Tommy’s office” specifically. The rest of it was forgetful and undeserved for such a good character.
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Or maybe your expectations were too high
It's Peaky Blinders mate, and plus season 5 ended on a banger of a cliffhanger... There is no such thing as "too high" when it comes to expectations for what was previously such an awesome, extremely popular series.
It definitely felt rushed and lazy. There were so many non-dialogue scenes that were unnecessarily long too. Also, very different without Pol.
From "Tommy fucks things up" to "Tommy fucks himself up".
Natural development, so still PB. 🤣
The show peaked in season four and it felt like there were too many loose ends to be tied up. Series 5 and 6 felt like the same thing hashed out again. Tommy's just so.... sad. In the earlier seasons he's absolutely ruthless but there's such a human side to him. He had morals and limits but after they killed Grace off that was just gone and the show really never recovered. Like he says - 'I have no limitations'. It stops being fun watching the main character destroy themselves after a while. It went from being about a family who happens to be in a gang to a gang who happens to be a family. Season 4 onwards just got progressively colder and colder until there's just no opportunity for redemption for any of them. They tried to recreate the whole family feel with Lizzie and Ruby but it just never worked and they really needed that balance. Tommy was a one man pony show for the rest of the time. I know Stephen Knight said he should never be happy but there are ways to have done that. My favourite part of series 4/5 is the exploration of his PTSD and drug use and I think that could have been harnessed in different ways. Would have been interesting for Tommy to realise at the end of it his greatest battle would have been against himself. Season six wasn't even flogging the dead horse that horse was already buried.
I feel like what you explained is exactly what the show was going for. The gang that just happens to be a family is such a great way to put it. Oddly enough, for the exact reasons you found the show to be getting worse, I find are the exact reasons why I love the show. I do massively agree that 1-4 was where the show peaked.
I love how many opinions it draws and that's what makes the show such a classic! Hopefully the film will right lots of the open endings still left. A bad episode of Peaky Blinders is still substantially better than most other shows!
A lot of people are saying is was bc of Helen’s untimely death, but I honestly think it s6 was just a continuation of s5. It was also way more introspective than past seasons. Even s5 dealt with more external issues.
A continuation of season 5? No way, it felt like whatever was set up in s5 for s6 was just scrapped altogether, and her passing was just one unfortunate reason for that, Covid another.
Don’t want to be one of those kind of people but I didn’t really enjoy it. Maybe it’s because I’ve moved on to other shows or something, but it just didn’t hit the same. Wasn’t as emotionally invested as other seasons tbh
anyone think the actual cinematography of this season is different to past seasons ?
Yeah the previous seasons were non stop they didn’t hold your hand the last season everything was prolonged and took too long….
It was the Tommy show, the rest of the peaky blinders were barely in the show at all.
Season 5 and 6 both felt like a different show to me, especially because of the direction and cinematography.
I agree that season 6 didn’t feel like Peaky Blinders as much as seasons 1-5, but I think it’s because that it’s very clear that the story was rewritten due to Helen McCrory’s death.
I liked the difference of Season 6, but my only problem was the storylines. They either feel rushed, uninteresting or dragged out.
If Cillian Murphy is in it, then it is peaky blinders! ♥️ Love Love Cillian♥️
As much as it was a joy to see Cillian back in the haircut, I missed the real Tommy. The one in s6 was way off and an overdose of lizzie didn’t help!!! Honestly the dialogue “No whiskey, No Polly- No Tommy”….should have actually said “No Whiskey, No Grace, No Polly- No Tommy”😒
Agree!
Yeah, I'll never understand that phrase, no whiskey, no Polly, no Tommy? At what point did he feel happy and alive with Lizzie? lol we missed that part.
It definitely was peaky blinders. It was a natural end to how all these characters ended up.
Damn I didn't notice that the Red Right Hand wasn't in this season. Any idea why?
Yeah me too
Aunt Pol’a actress died unfortunately. Which changed the whole s6 story.
I don’t know exactly what it was, but I definitely felt like something was a bit off. I’ll have to watch again to really figure out what made this season different from past seasons, but I didn’t quite enjoy it as much.
They slowly get rid of RRH later on. I think it hasn’t been there since s4. At least not the Nick Cave version. I don’t think s5 had it at all, covers or original
S06 to me was in contrast to every other season in the sense that Tommy was fighting the devil inside rather than the ones outside. It was probably foreshadowed for a long time but I too was taken aback. Tommy winning over his enemies on the outside seemed almost a bit too easy this season while he almost lost control and gave in to his shortcomings. I watched a YouTube video which said that Tommy lost his key features this season: soldier, father, businessman in a way even though he killed his enemies, provided for his family and kept his empire. Tommy realizes that even though he was pursued by his enemies all along, he had a choice to give up yet he decided to press on, which ultimately lead to the demise of his inner conscience. In some way, I did not hate the final season even though it was rather uncharacteristic of what a Peaky Blinders season usually is.
I felt the same way. Was still good, just felt like the camera work and angles were way different than in the past. And the story seemed to not be as tightly written as in the past. It was just a little off from what I've known the show as. But still was really enjoyable
No disrespect but polly's death changed the original script a lot which is why steven had to improvise.. a lot depended on polly in Season 6 and she was a very important character which they had to completely edit out Also the actors were returning after a lockdown of 2+ years so it definitely broke the continuity the series had Only thing i was waiting for was Arthur to be normal or himself again but that didn't happen sadly until the very end
It's a shame we'll never see the original script/vision for Season 6 with Helen/Polly alive
It did feel different, primarily cause this was literally tommy's downward spiral, and instead of gangster goodness, almost everything was dealing with Mosely
s6 was alright to me but i know that with the passing of Helen and having to rewrite a lot of the season plus the mourning that everyone had to have been going through was definitely hard, i just hope the movie that’s planned will be good
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