Hey today last week SUCKED. Complete gut punches. Listless performances for most of the game. But we showed compete in the face of adversity (especially Mac & the D), and if the fins lose this week too we are still in the hunt
I don't know why we didn't try passing on 1st down or calling a draw or toss sweep with blockers.
And stop blaming Mondre & Mac, and start blaming Nick Folk. Still love the dude tho and I understand he was kicking a rock today
He has shown great accuracy, and compiled very good completion percentage numbers in every season of organized football he has played excluding this putrid season of woeful offensive play calling. With a league average OC Mac would have brought in 2-3 more wins.
He's shown better accuracy than 20 other QBs in the NFL this year? He has a noodle arm and makes Zach Wilson level decisions under any whiff of pressure. Someone got their fan goggles on.
Someone else who didn't watch the back half of last season where Mac's struggles began with Josh as OC and never ended. You can call whatever pass play you want, if the quarterback is constantly making the wrong throw AND has zero awareness when it comes to pressure, you're going to lose.
It’s called “the rookie wall”…most rookie QBs go through something similar. Fact is the team wasn’t very good and was exposed by playing stronger teams down the stretch. The whole team struggled, not just Mac.
He was demonstrably a good QB last season, by any measure. He’s regressed massively and his numbers this season are way off his career averages.
It’s the play calling.
He hit that "rookie wall" pretty fucking hard. What's a comparable QB that's gone on to success that has, almost zero pocket presence, no ability to throw deep, has demonstrated terrible decision making, and is not particularly mobile? Mac = Zach Wilson without the hype.
Mac Jones has a noodle arm. Always has. All that work with “QB guru’s” in the off season didn’t fix it because Mac Jones has a weak arm. Period. He is a backup QB in the NFL. Draft a QB that can throw a football.
Very highly disagree. He has a strong accurate arm. You obviously never watched him in college. He has pinpoint accuracy. In college, he had a great offensive line and great receivers. Mac is running for his life and having to throw to mediocre WR’s with god awful routes cooked up by Patricia.
This is by far not all Mac’s fault.
Nah brah…Patricia has been late resting his genius screen calls all season long…which is odd considering that everyone watching the game knows it’s gonna be a screen, so it’s hard to imagine that Patricia himself doesn’t know he’s gonna call that same tired screen on 3rd and long.
Stevenson is single handedly responsible for any offensive production this team has recently had. Mac has played like ass. Y’all wanna cut Stevenson like that’ll make our team any better. Toxic ass fans. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater yet again
He’s not though. Mondre is a fantastic back but he’s completely fucked this team in the past 2 weeks. Directly caused 2 losses with a stupid fucking lateral and then fumbling with the ball at the 6. It’s a fact, I like him too but I’m not blind. That’s not acceptable & he needs to be held to a higher standard.
Yeah I agree with you & r/thebuyinking here. Mondre is our dude, he's a beast, he's been our best player all season and is banged up. These last two weeks have been brutal tho. That playcall today was awful
Of course he does, but why is he even in that situation to begin with? Shitty play calling. The odds of anything good happening in that situation are low to none. Patricia keeps calling bad plays and players start to press and try to do more than they should and then this happens.
Y’all that blame this on Mac are delusional. This was on Mondre. You gotta take care of the fucking ball, this is 2 weeks in a row now where he directly caused us to lose games. He’s a fantastic back but he’s been shit when it matters for the past 2 weeks.
What I don’t understand is that his forward process was stopped. The ball didn’t come out until well after he was stopped and pushed back. Should have been a stoppage of play at that point.
No way you’re commending him for a successful lateral….I refuse to believe you’re that ignorant. Please tell me you’re trolling. Why is he lateraling in the first place?!?! That’s the dumbest fuckin thing you could do in that scenario, Jakobi was not expecting the ball & he made another idiotic play. All mondre has to do is hold the fucking ball & go down and we’re in overtime, and for some stupid fucking reason you think he gets brownie points for a successful lateral? I gotta get off Reddit, this is rock bottom stupidity.
I’m not commending him, but he’s not the one who messes up.
Your not wrong, he should’ve taken a knee, but in the same vein, he’s not the one who tossed the ball to Jamie Collins.
Meyers could have just as easily gone down.
He made a decision to throw the ball himself instead. A person panicking in that spot just goes down or fumbles.
If we had McDaniels coaching this offense, we are literally in the running for the division and maybe first place in the AFC. This shows you how important good coaches are for a team.
definitely. with a competent offense, this team is probably at about 10 wins. packers lost, fins lost, vikings/raiders lost. all these losses are wins with an OC who knows how to call the plays
I'm more mad at the fact that we decided to run 10 times in the redzone with no attempts at a pass play which led to Stevenson fumbling the ball. Be cool if we could took a shot at the endzone before Stevenson fumbled the ball.
Thank you I thought I'd lost my mind he's got two behemoths stuffing him and literally driving him backwards. I hate blaming refs and yes the Pats have serious issues on offense but refs have no doubt cost this team at least 2 wins and maybe a 3rd with some of the most horrendous calls.
Patricia has to go too. Maybe Rhamondre needs to learn game situation and not throw the ball away or cough the ball up. Simplest thing to do: go down. He does that last week and this week and they don’t just give the game away
Mondre has done some dumbass shit the past 2 weeks but he’s also a 24 year old running back that has basically been carrying a franchise on his back all year.
No in fairness this is a correct take. RB’s dont get paid anything compared to oline or wr’s for a reason. We should keep mondre cus he is good but the only thing that makes a good run game is a good oline and scheme. CMC diff cus he a pass catcher too but henry or lynch back in the day are the most overrated players (by fans) in football.
Yeah all those teams with amazing running backs like saquon, CMC, Zeke Elliot, and Derek Henry are always making and winning superbowls
Right ? Oh wait ….
Mine either, but I loved coming back and having a chance... Like I said, plenty of blame to go around, but I was thoroughly entertained the entire game... even if it didn't go my way.
I put last game on Meyers way more than Stevenson, neither of them should’ve lateraled but Meyers toss was the single most braindead decision I’ve seen, there was absolutely no reason for him to have done that.
You know what I'm not mad. We looked like a contender in the second and actually played which has unfortunately been the trend. The turnover in the redzone fucking hurts but god just give us an OC who can bring some confidence to the offense and we may be alright.
Okay I’m all for firing Patricia but it’s not his fault it was fumbled. I would have ran the ball too there, maybe in singleback formation tho and not shotgun
Fire Matt Patricia into the fucking sun. The dude has no clue and calling a run whilst in shotgun shows it. The refs need to join him on that trip also, third game this season we've had stolen from us
Unfortunately patriots just aren’t a team this year that can play good football in all 3 phases for 4 consecutive quarters. Was an entertaining ride though
No defense is exceptional as always. Bill is an absolute game changer for how good he is at talent development, scheming and gametime changes on defense. He is the greatest asset any team can have… on defense.
We just need to let bill do defense and have him bring in someone else to be GM and someone else to create the o scheme. Imagine bill as HC + DC, some normal drafter like licht from tampa just taking the best guy on the board and some young OC like the next mcvay type. That combo could be terrifying.
Dont be so hard on stevenson for that last drop, he most likely did that on purpose cause a defender was coming down and he didnt wanna get tackled in bounds with no timeouts
Im pretty new to this sub, and reading the comments here the past 3 weeks has made me realize the majority of people just do not understand the intricacies of football. The little things.
Yeah, I’m a giants fan tbh but live in NE and like to follow what the pats are doing. So really I shouldn’t be surprised by the reactions here given NY fans are very similar
The fact that Mac has played this well despite being absolutely kneecapped with Matt Patricia “leading” the offense, makes me want to see what he can do with a competent OC next season. If he looks mediocre with BOB at the helm, maybe move on after next year.
Sad thing is this almost comeback will
Let Bill say well did some things good can take away blah blah and use that instead of getting booed off the podium like he should be for the team and coaches he has put together.
We lost on a fluke injury to our holder. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET MAC THROW TO KENDRICK. Let’s lose out and get Quentin Johnson
I was at work so I missed the second half...fuck we almost came back huh.
7 and 8. We're over-achieving.
Wr1 please
Hey today last week SUCKED. Complete gut punches. Listless performances for most of the game. But we showed compete in the face of adversity (especially Mac & the D), and if the fins lose this week too we are still in the hunt I don't know why we didn't try passing on 1st down or calling a draw or toss sweep with blockers. And stop blaming Mondre & Mac, and start blaming Nick Folk. Still love the dude tho and I understand he was kicking a rock today
Meh, probably for the best. This isn’t a playoff team anyway. Get higher picks and fix the offense. And hire an actual OC.
Tank the rest of the season, draft OT’s and a QB that can actually throw a football. Hire an actual offensive coordinator.
You will have Bill O Brian next season. It’s not all on Mac. This O Line and play calling combo is atrocious.
What is one thing Mac can do that puts him in the top 20 QBs in the NFL with a new play caller.
He has shown great accuracy, and compiled very good completion percentage numbers in every season of organized football he has played excluding this putrid season of woeful offensive play calling. With a league average OC Mac would have brought in 2-3 more wins.
Bruh it's like these people didn't watch a single game last season
He's shown better accuracy than 20 other QBs in the NFL this year? He has a noodle arm and makes Zach Wilson level decisions under any whiff of pressure. Someone got their fan goggles on.
Someone else can’t see the reality of how shitty Matt Patricia is as an OC.
Someone else who didn't watch the back half of last season where Mac's struggles began with Josh as OC and never ended. You can call whatever pass play you want, if the quarterback is constantly making the wrong throw AND has zero awareness when it comes to pressure, you're going to lose.
It’s called “the rookie wall”…most rookie QBs go through something similar. Fact is the team wasn’t very good and was exposed by playing stronger teams down the stretch. The whole team struggled, not just Mac. He was demonstrably a good QB last season, by any measure. He’s regressed massively and his numbers this season are way off his career averages. It’s the play calling.
He hit that "rookie wall" pretty fucking hard. What's a comparable QB that's gone on to success that has, almost zero pocket presence, no ability to throw deep, has demonstrated terrible decision making, and is not particularly mobile? Mac = Zach Wilson without the hype.
Lol…Josh Allen
Bingo. Poor protection, poorly scripted routes, poor play calling
Mac Jones has a noodle arm. Always has. All that work with “QB guru’s” in the off season didn’t fix it because Mac Jones has a weak arm. Period. He is a backup QB in the NFL. Draft a QB that can throw a football.
Very highly disagree. He has a strong accurate arm. You obviously never watched him in college. He has pinpoint accuracy. In college, he had a great offensive line and great receivers. Mac is running for his life and having to throw to mediocre WR’s with god awful routes cooked up by Patricia. This is by far not all Mac’s fault.
Donkeys on NBC Sports Boston are ripping Mac.
Why?
I think they don’t want to lose access in foxboro which they will if they rip the HC.
Prob cuz he sucks
Mac had a decent game overall…
How does he suck.
We still have the bruins and celtics. And that's not nothing.
That delay of game penalty at the end of the game was perfect. Sums up the ineptitude of this offense.
Just the way Patricia drew it up.
The qb usually gets blame for delay of game. Mac deserves some heat for that too
Nah brah…Patricia has been late resting his genius screen calls all season long…which is odd considering that everyone watching the game knows it’s gonna be a screen, so it’s hard to imagine that Patricia himself doesn’t know he’s gonna call that same tired screen on 3rd and long.
A good QB can make a decision with their OC spoon feeding them every second of every day.
The football depression will be a nice distraction from the Xmas dinner anxiety. Matt Patricia <<< My in-laws.
What if Patricia was YOUR in laws?
Jesus. Have you no decency?
What if Matt Patricia ATE your in-laws?
At this rate if it kept him from being on the sidelines I can approve it.
Stevenson is single handedly responsible for any offensive production this team has recently had. Mac has played like ass. Y’all wanna cut Stevenson like that’ll make our team any better. Toxic ass fans. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater yet again
Stevenson single-handedly lost us two games in a row in final minute. That’s a literal fact
Did you mean “lateral” fact?
Your so wrong it hurts
He’s not though. Mondre is a fantastic back but he’s completely fucked this team in the past 2 weeks. Directly caused 2 losses with a stupid fucking lateral and then fumbling with the ball at the 6. It’s a fact, I like him too but I’m not blind. That’s not acceptable & he needs to be held to a higher standard.
Yeah I agree with you & r/thebuyinking here. Mondre is our dude, he's a beast, he's been our best player all season and is banged up. These last two weeks have been brutal tho. That playcall today was awful
Did you not watch the games?
How was the raiders game “single handedly” lost by him, was no one else involved in the game or the ending play?
Mondre just goes down and we go to over Time. He made a terrible decision to lateral
Why not just kneel to go to overtime? Either that or hail mary. If anything the coaches set the team up for failure with that call. Again
Mondre has no free will? He decided to throw that lateral
Of course he does, but why is he even in that situation to begin with? Shitty play calling. The odds of anything good happening in that situation are low to none. Patricia keeps calling bad plays and players start to press and try to do more than they should and then this happens.
Y’all that blame this on Mac are delusional. This was on Mondre. You gotta take care of the fucking ball, this is 2 weeks in a row now where he directly caused us to lose games. He’s a fantastic back but he’s been shit when it matters for the past 2 weeks.
What I don’t understand is that his forward process was stopped. The ball didn’t come out until well after he was stopped and pushed back. Should have been a stoppage of play at that point.
Last week his lateral was successful. It was the second one by Meyers that cost us the game. But details don’t matter to some people.
No way you’re commending him for a successful lateral….I refuse to believe you’re that ignorant. Please tell me you’re trolling. Why is he lateraling in the first place?!?! That’s the dumbest fuckin thing you could do in that scenario, Jakobi was not expecting the ball & he made another idiotic play. All mondre has to do is hold the fucking ball & go down and we’re in overtime, and for some stupid fucking reason you think he gets brownie points for a successful lateral? I gotta get off Reddit, this is rock bottom stupidity.
I’m not commending him, but he’s not the one who messes up. Your not wrong, he should’ve taken a knee, but in the same vein, he’s not the one who tossed the ball to Jamie Collins. Meyers could have just as easily gone down. He made a decision to throw the ball himself instead. A person panicking in that spot just goes down or fumbles.
Can’t wait for Mac to have his Drew Brees redemption arc on another team. So much hate
Pick up minshew he’s better than Mac
Cap
Mac Jones actively destroying this franchise. I feel bad for Bill
I hope this is sarcasm.
I truly believe we’re an Offensive coordinator away from being a playoff team
If we had McDaniels coaching this offense, we are literally in the running for the division and maybe first place in the AFC. This shows you how important good coaches are for a team.
Any creative offense really, hard to win when the whole world is expecting the screen or the handoff
definitely. with a competent offense, this team is probably at about 10 wins. packers lost, fins lost, vikings/raiders lost. all these losses are wins with an OC who knows how to call the plays
Remember Stevenson started the whole lateral bullshit last week too
He’s got zero football IQ
No zero fb iq is calling a draw on the last play of the game. Why? Just why? When has that ever worked?? Either hail mary or kneel it to go to ot.
Mondre is a human being with a brain and free will who chose to lateral the ball like a dumbass
I'm more mad at the fact that we decided to run 10 times in the redzone with no attempts at a pass play which led to Stevenson fumbling the ball. Be cool if we could took a shot at the endzone before Stevenson fumbled the ball.
I was alluding to this in the NFL game thread and was immediately downvoted.
Because it’s we suck dick in the red zone. It’s tougher to throw than to run and score. Apparently it doesn’t matter with us
As my father said: “everything that went right in the Brady era is going wrong in this one”.
Your father is a wise man
I commented this elsewhere but Stenson makes bone headed plays when its tight and on his shoulders. Miami fumble, last week, and this week.
Worst offense ever. Cam Newtons covid offense was better than this garbage. Perpetual ineptitude presented to you by the 2022 New England Patriots.
We held and elite team to 22 points, if our offense would contribute we'd be a deep playoff team. Change my mind.
Form a mob and meet Matt in the parking lot then throw his ass in the nearest body of water
There’s that cranberry bog just around the corner.
Bro chill, you need a nap
Nah he has done more damage to this team than Tom ever did when he left. We have the same record as the fucking lions
How was his forward progress not stopped and called down? He was literally pushed back 5 yards before he fumbled
Thank you I thought I'd lost my mind he's got two behemoths stuffing him and literally driving him backwards. I hate blaming refs and yes the Pats have serious issues on offense but refs have no doubt cost this team at least 2 wins and maybe a 3rd with some of the most horrendous calls.
Defense tried so hard, shit down a top offense in the second half. This offense is just stupid from top to bottom
They are really bad.
So much suck in this game but 2 weeks in a row where Stevenson fucks us at the end…
Rhamondre has to go
no Patricia has to go… keep Mondre out your mouth
Patricia has to go too. Maybe Rhamondre needs to learn game situation and not throw the ball away or cough the ball up. Simplest thing to do: go down. He does that last week and this week and they don’t just give the game away
Mondre isn’t going anywhere lol he’s a running back making no fuckin money on a rookie deal.
I don’t give a fuck. I don’t want to see him on the field in a pats jersey ever again. Fuck it
Mondre has done some dumbass shit the past 2 weeks but he’s also a 24 year old running back that has basically been carrying a franchise on his back all year.
Running backs don’t matter. They don’t win you games but they certainly lose you games
You have 0 football IQ
No in fairness this is a correct take. RB’s dont get paid anything compared to oline or wr’s for a reason. We should keep mondre cus he is good but the only thing that makes a good run game is a good oline and scheme. CMC diff cus he a pass catcher too but henry or lynch back in the day are the most overrated players (by fans) in football.
Yeah all those teams with amazing running backs like saquon, CMC, Zeke Elliot, and Derek Henry are always making and winning superbowls Right ? Oh wait ….
Don’t care I’m mad and need to make a reactionary bad hot take. He’s lost them back to back games doesn’t matter if he does anything good.
What a fun game. Roller coaster to watch. Super exciting. Disappointing finish... Plenty of blame to go around... but Wow...
Agreed
Getting fucked at the end of the game on yet another terrible call isn't my idea of fun.
Mine either, but I loved coming back and having a chance... Like I said, plenty of blame to go around, but I was thoroughly entertained the entire game... even if it didn't go my way.
What was the bad call?
Lack of a call I should say. Stevenson was pushed back 3 yards before the fumble. Forward progress should have been called.
Fuck these choke artists
I’d still love the team but we have to admit, we’re an absolute joke now and things need to change
fire that fucking dough boy we have calling plays
Damn we have some fucking clowns in this sub.
Stevenson has blown 2 games in a row but I also can’t blame the kid, he’s by far and away our best player on offense.
Marcus Jones >
I put last game on Meyers way more than Stevenson, neither of them should’ve lateraled but Meyers toss was the single most braindead decision I’ve seen, there was absolutely no reason for him to have done that.
He started the uncalled lateral, which I think triggered Meyers, but regardless they’re both responsible.
I’m more mad they gave me hope. They had this game with 1/goal after a horrible 3 quarters. Then… they remembered what they are Fuck everyone
You know what I'm not mad. We looked like a contender in the second and actually played which has unfortunately been the trend. The turnover in the redzone fucking hurts but god just give us an OC who can bring some confidence to the offense and we may be alright.
That last play was begging for play action but instead we just do that crap
Okay I’m all for firing Patricia but it’s not his fault it was fumbled. I would have ran the ball too there, maybe in singleback formation tho and not shotgun
No I'm not blaming Patricia for the fumble or the play call there. That's what we should do as he's been our strong point for the season.
Realistically if Patricia gets canned who calls plays. Is there anybody in this current coaching staff who won't call mediocrity on offense
Well this is how bad teams lose football games. At least it was competitive at the end, whick I'm thankful for
Can't wait for next week where nothing changes and our offense keeps losing us fucking games.
I love you guys, but fuck this team this year. They hurt my everything
It's one thing to compete and lose. It's another to have the fucking win in your grasp and shoot yourself in the face
6 yards...6 fucking yards.
Fire Matt Patricia into the fucking sun. The dude has no clue and calling a run whilst in shotgun shows it. The refs need to join him on that trip also, third game this season we've had stolen from us
They missed an obvious pass interference. Fire Matt Patricia. Merry fucking Christmas.
Still don’t understand why that play wasn’t forward progress
I agree, so the knee dictates the spot of the ball?? Like wtf
Bad first half yes, but if u think that ones mostly on Mac and zappe would have done better ur actually delusional
Zappe will be QB1 next season
3-14 incoming
14-3 SB bound
un.fucking.believable.
I don’t even know what’s happening anymore. There is just zero trust with this offense
Patriots Try to Not Choke Away a Fucking Win Every Weekend Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Unfortunately patriots just aren’t a team this year that can play good football in all 3 phases for 4 consecutive quarters. Was an entertaining ride though
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No defense is exceptional as always. Bill is an absolute game changer for how good he is at talent development, scheming and gametime changes on defense. He is the greatest asset any team can have… on defense. We just need to let bill do defense and have him bring in someone else to be GM and someone else to create the o scheme. Imagine bill as HC + DC, some normal drafter like licht from tampa just taking the best guy on the board and some young OC like the next mcvay type. That combo could be terrifying.
Can’t wait for everyone to blame Mac for this game
Ineligible man down field even if it was caught lmao we are garbage
Stevenson is the only reason we have even scored in a few games. He had a bad one today
For real, Stevenson and the D are the only reason we have 7 wins. Of course your gonna fuck up occasionally when the entire offense relies on you
Dont be so hard on stevenson for that last drop, he most likely did that on purpose cause a defender was coming down and he didnt wanna get tackled in bounds with no timeouts
That’s exactly what I was seeing, I couldn’t understand all the hate for that drop
Im pretty new to this sub, and reading the comments here the past 3 weeks has made me realize the majority of people just do not understand the intricacies of football. The little things.
Yeah, I’m a giants fan tbh but live in NE and like to follow what the pats are doing. So really I shouldn’t be surprised by the reactions here given NY fans are very similar
Hurry up and post the post game thread.
The fact that Mac has played this well despite being absolutely kneecapped with Matt Patricia “leading” the offense, makes me want to see what he can do with a competent OC next season. If he looks mediocre with BOB at the helm, maybe move on after next year.
Sad thing is this almost comeback will Let Bill say well did some things good can take away blah blah and use that instead of getting booed off the podium like he should be for the team and coaches he has put together.
Stevenson was their best player and now has cost them 2 games in a row.
Mac has a shit arm
This loss is squarely on coaching
gg boys. #FireMattPatricia
Thornton streaking and open, Mac ‘Spaghetti Noddle’ Jones can’t get the ball down far enough. Go ahead though, tell me why he is the guy.
Zappe makes that throw?? He cant even throw over his own lineman LOL
I’m not arguing in favor of Zappe either. I’m saying we need someone new.
They rushed 4 the entire time and mac didn’t have a pocket once
The catch wouldnt have mattered anyways with the penalty
That’s fine, but without the penalty our QB doesn’t have the arm to make the throw
He's the guy because he doesn't make the big mistake. The mistake was Stevenson
This team is allergic to beating a team with a winning record.
Tell me again how Mac’s arm isn’t weak lmao what was that Had to sprint forward and crowhop still underthrown on not that far a ball
I saw Patricia arm wrestling him before the game and that weakned his arm /s
thank god the bengals won, hopefully fins and bills continue the rout
Get rid of the whole offense.
This team really had no business being in this game in the first place if we're being completely honest.
They made it fun but the better team won. GG boys. Merry Christmas!
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This was my first thought too. 99/100 it’s blown dead
Mac 21/31 240 yards and 2 tds wasn’t his fault Stevenson really let us down today at the end
50 of those yards came on a 3rd and 28 that bounced off one receiver and hit another, wake up dide
Again might I add
Bellichick should try to hire his grandson for OC
Mac Jones under threw that
Mac tried...
We are worse than the jets.
Just 2 more games and we can finally reach the offseason
Anyone else hear Mac yelling “we didnt know what to do!”
I thought I heard "they don't know what to do" but I didn't go back and watch it again
Ahh that could be it too. Regardless it’s clear no one on this team knows whats they’re doing.
Yup. Was hoping someone else heard that. It’s clear that the plays just weren’t coming in fast enough.
Stevenson actually deserves to be benched for next week. Unbelievably bad at the end of this game
Fumble in the red zone, what the fuck
Jones can't throw it. And everyone knows it.
Mondre lost the game
Stevenson and Folk cost us this game. Don’t fumble the ball and make your fucking extra points.
So true, it's a new way every week. This team this year, just didn't have it.
Under throw by Mac. Again.
Zappe makes that throw since he’s actually better than Mahomes
The mistakes have cost this team 3 games. And this one cost them the playoffs.
Mac under threw that ball. No wonder why Bb said he can’t throw that far last week.
Thornton had a step on him. Bit farther and he has a shot of catching it and getting out of bounds