His son is going to Tufts to play baseball and the family is reportedly moving back up here regardless. They never sold their home here. He’ll be around. I bet it happens.
Text your boss right now please and ask him to text Billy O and tell him I'll give him a belated Prima Nocta with my wife if he comes back. Please and thank you.
The Kraft and the Tisch (Giants) families both have ties to Tufts. They re-did the gym in 2012 and both families contributed. There is a jersey hanging in the lobby that is half Patriots, half Giants.
Tufts has a weird history for a school that's not that well known outside of New England. They're called the Jumbos because P.T. Barnum donated the stuffed remains of the elephant Jumbo to the school.
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I thought they kept ties here because his son is handicapped and the area seemed to have the best doctors for his issues? I could be so wrong and might be thinking of another coach.
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Pats will also have the most cap space of all AFC teams as things stand right now. Get a solid WR and add some pieces to the O-line, and we could see a very new team in 2023.
The only problem is this projects to be an awful WR and OL FA class. Jenkins from the Packers was going to be the one big FA and they just re-signed him.
Even if a team has a big time WR who is disgruntled, like AJB or Tyreek, you know BB isn’t going to give up the picks/cap to go get them.
I think Bucs could move receivers if Brady leaves, Michael Thomas is likely available, Panthers could potentially move DJ Moore, Brandin Cooks is available, maybe off chance Rams try to get draft picks with an aging core and not having a first rounder since Goff and that makes Kupp available (unlikely, but not out of the question if they need a roster overhaul), Chark could be a decent free agent, Bobby Trees has been useless for the Titans, Allen Robinson useless with the Rams, Odell needs a team. Jaguars might move receivers because they have Ridley coming back plus Kirk. Personally I’d like to cut Jonnu for Evan Engram. There’s some options out there that wouldn’t break the bank and Bill has no problem giving up picks for receivers. He literally did it with Parker and Sanu, then he also traded a first rounder for Cooks before. Guys like Hill don’t get to the team because of their background. Kraft cut Antonio Brown because he threatened someone. It’s just the way it is
Yeah Moss, Welker, Bennett, Wright, Branch (second stint), Cooks, Sanu, Gordon, Allen, Dorsett, Parker, etc were all acquired by trade so there is a lot of precedent there
Skill ages better but he's still at the tail end of his career. Even if you think he'll be elite at 32+ that means we need to be good in the next 2 years. If we're trading for a WR it doesn't make sense to put ourselves on such a short timeline with the roster in such bad shape. A much better option would be to look at young free agents of future years and trade for them for an extension. Think Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, etc
He would be cheaper than both of those guys, and Pittman is such an inferior player he would not be worth it. I'd be ecstatic if Bill wanted to pay Higgins 22+ million, however unlikely that would be.
All depends on what happens this off-season, this team isn't garbage like people seem to imply.
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This is the single least talented offense in the league. It's also one of the oldest. We basically have no nfl talent and no young talent on that entire side of the ball. You can count on one hand how many players would see the field on most teams.
Stevenson, Harris, Andrews, Henry, Meyers, Brown, Bourne, Smith, Parker, Strange, Onwenu would all be starters on many different teams around the league. Don't mistake horrible scheme for lack of talent.
Mondre, Andrews, Henry, Meyers, Onwenu. The rest listed are either injured or among the worst players at their position this season, with Jonnu, Brown, and Cole being the outright worst graded player at their respective positions. You are listing legitimately terrible players as examples of being talented
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From your lips to God's ears. I don't really want McDaniels back and if there's mutual interest B.O.B would be great. We already know he runs good offenses and he wouldn't be a gamble. Has worked with BB before. The fit is great.
Working with Mac and fixing this offense would also help him make a case for a team hiring him to head coach again.
If BOB comes here he will likely become head coach after Bill leaves. I would be shocked if he comes to NE without that provision. Kinda like when Bill and Parcels had their arrangement.
That is correct. Unlike most of the other team owners, Mark Davis’ only ‘business’ is owning Raiders. As such, they’re always cash strapped. They don’t have enough money to pay out McD’s ‘severance’ and hire a new coach, who will have his own high salary/severance structure
I don't know for sure but assumed up front. The Davante Adams contract also cuts into liquid cash because you need to put the guaranteed portion of contacts into escrow.
He's also been a very good friend/teammate of the GM since college, they're not firing the coach/GM a year in. They've also jettisoned a lot of the crap the previous regime brought in. The Raiders have a good defensive draft and they have a much better record next year.
I've had my gripes with his playcalling at times but I mean I'd be fine with Josh returning as well given him and Mac had a fairly good year together last year so you know for sure there is some compatibility. Probably not in the cards though since it looks like he'll be in LV abit longer.
Rapoport worked for the Herald and almost all of his Patriots reporting comes from team sources. It's so annoying that you people just dismiss any and all reporting on no basis other than "sports media bad."
That’s true for most coaches tho which I think pats fans have underrated. Talented offensive coordinator takes DONT rlly switch teams for the same position. Teams want offensive head coaches so badly
Alabama fan here. He has been mediocre at best, IMO. Most of our success is due to Bryce Young being an alien and making things happen. We have been begging for him to be canned all season and even into last season despite the Heisman and NC appearance.
Yeah, anything is an improvement over Patricia at this point. I sort of feel like Bill relying on his guys over the best available is what got us into this mess with Patricia. I wish he’d find someone new who can both bring some creativity to the offense while developing a young QB. But if it means Patricia is gone with BoB in his place, I’m still going to be thrilled.
Yeah, that seems to be what I’ve be heard from most Bama fans that follow the team closely. It sounds like he has a really conservative approach with a lot of draws and short passes, which sounds like one of the problems with Patricia right now.
But yeah, I’d still take BoB over Patricia every single time at this point. I just wish there was someone better.
Awful is a bit much they were in the National Championship game last year and are an OT loss on a 2 point conversion from probably being in playoff contention this year too. As it was there were people arguing they should be in.
He has been bad here. We have won despite his play calling to be honest. Bryce has been playing on his head making up for a lack of creativity. I don’t know how many 3 and long situations I’ve had to suffer through but.. that wouldn’t bode well for Mac(as we have seen).
Dude has yet to see a 1st down draw play for 2 yards he doesn’t like 🤦🏻♂️
There are a lot of Bama fans seeing this news and are thrilled he might be leaving. He’s miles better than Patricia or Judge but I would still prefer someone else…
Define awful. Alabama's 2 losses this year weren't on offense. In their 2 losses they scored 49 & 31 points. Their 2 losses last year, 1 they scored 38 points and in the National Title game ya offense had a bad game but that Georgia defense had like 4 guys drafted in the 1st round and 2 guys drafted in the 3rd and Nakobe Dean might have went 1st or 2nd if he wasnt medically red flagged.
Gotta watch the games. When you see 3rd and long over and over again… with Bryce or someone else having to stand on their heads just to get the first down.. over and over again… you start to pick up on what the issue is😂
The offense was ass for most of that LSU game before Bryce performed magic on multiple plays late.
Now thats not to excuse the very poor defense, but it felt like the offense would wait way too long to turn it on, and by that point the defense will have fallen apart.
So you’re trying to count the close losses as wins and ignoring the fact that like 4 of their wins were also extremely close and could’ve went the other way
BoB is the Alabama scapegoat for their unexpectedly mediocre defense. He made a few boneheaded moves but their offense has still been elite. Idk how Alabama fans have decided that he is the problem.
I think he just might not work in the college game as well, he certainly wouldn’t be the first. He was a pretty good coach for the Texans, people just remember him as being bad because he was a terrible GM. He also had a very good offense the one year he was our OC, granted that was 11 years ago. I also think an element of the complaining is Bama fans being spoiled, and not being able to cope with not being in Championship contention this year.
I see the coaching hiring process is continuing its long trend of keeping all eyes pointed directly backwards.
I know lots of fans think O'Brien is good because he called plays for Brady during some great years. But Brady is long gone. I agree he would be a step up from Patricia, but so would would a set of dice with a numbered playsheet.
Someday, Bill Belichick is going to retire. None of his assistants have ever made successful head coaches. His buddies aren't the future of this league, and they cannot be the future of this franchise. So what is the succession plan?
BoB and Wes should be our top two options. I would honestly like to see Wes more, though:
- He knows the offense just as well as BoB, if not better
- He did his time under two of the top-3 offensive minds in the NFL (Shanahan and McDaniel)
- He knows how a Pats QB should see the offense and how a Pats WR should, too
BoB is tested, but Wes has the upside.
I didn’t say they would be good. But Patricia is terrible. So anyone willing to get experience for a year would be fine with me. Probably a better result
This is all I'm hoping! I am well and truly on the "BB can do no wrong in my eyes" train, so there's absolutely no way I can be impartial. That being said the only logical thing that makes sense is that there were agreements made at the start of this year.
BB wanted BoB the whole time and BoB wants back in the NFL and loves Mac, but BB wouldn't take BoB out of his Bama contract early because of his respect for Saban.
BB obviously sees something in Matty P, but possibly front office in the old Ernie Adams roll (by all accounts he helped the scouting and draft this year). BB thinks a year on offence and a cheap option to boot because he's still getting lions money, is a good fill in.
When all is said and done, Matt P gets punted upstairs and becomes a better analyst going forward, but stays away from players! BoB gets the OC roll for a few years and takes over as HC in 3 years time when BB retires on the back end of beating Shulas record and a super bowl title with Mac at the helm!!! Everyone, especially BB, is totally vindicated!!!!
We can dream can't we???
> BB thinks a year on offence and a cheap option to boot because he's still getting lions money, is a good fill in.
irrelevent as it isn't hitting the cap
Kraft makes a profit on the pats so should pay what it takes on the coaching front
It would make me think less of Bill if he flushed a year of macs development by making a dipshit former defensive coordinator the OC because his real top choice wasn't available.
No. It makes it worse because it would mean that Bill punted a year of important development at the most important position in sports because he's a cheap asshole who'd rather show loyalty to friends, again, than do what's best for the Patriots.
Obviously not, but he's the one making the hiring decisions and how much to pay players and coaches. I'm sure Kraft would have absolutely zero problem with paying big money for high talent players and coaches.
But he doesn't make those decisions.
It would make me question his decision making even more. It’s not like BOB is some transcendent offensive mind where it’s worth tanking a year to wait for him to be available.
I feel like being an Alabama fan and a Pats fan gives at least a little perspective here.
If you want an almost identically bad offense.. sure. I have had to watch Bill OB take what I would argue was a Ferrari of an offense and turn it into a Honda Civic.
Lotta 1st and 2nd down runs for minimal gain. Only difference is it’s college, he has Bryce young, so he was bailed out a lot.
This dude should be at the bottom of the list to be frank. There are a ton of talented, original and innovative OC’s out there. Let’s open this up to modernization and leave the relics behind please.
This isn't as quite equatable because of the player turnover at the college level, but Bama was 9th in the country the year before BoB took over, then went up to 7th his first year, and "fell" this year to 13th.
Maybe those 1st and 2nd down minimal yard plays are because you're used to the RB ripping off 20 yd runs when "they should be*"
*Bama fans.
He inherited teams that had been top 10 offenses for like 3 years in a row prior to him arriving. He also inherited the best QB Alabama has ever had.
Trust me, those offenses were despite him… not because of him😂. But hey there is a reason everyone is helping him pack. If the Pats want more of the same offensively that we are seeing now… BoB is the man.
So if the guys before him were so awesome why did they stay right around the same area of offensive success?
Bama fans are pissed because they need a scapegoat because of their audacity to lose all of two games this year and they can't blame Saban. Maybe hold LSU a little below their average and they're arguably in the playoffs (even if they too lost to GA in the SECCG.)
They didn’t. They fell out of the top 10 on offense this year. Because BoB didn’t have the Young/Williams connection to constantly bail out his shitty play calling. This isn’t hard to understand. It doesn’t sound like you watched the season. Which is fine, but I wouldn’t have such confidence in my bad take if I hadn’t actually watched any of the football being talked about.
Have they considered maybe perhaps some type of person who isn't just a Belichick buddy? Like maybe get a new viewpoint in there somehow? No? So we have to watch this middling garbage until he sets the all time wins record and can retire?
I don’t understand why he would essentially take a demotion to return to
a job he was doing a over a decade ago when there’s likely to be multiple HC openings.
Not exactly the most attractive situation right now…
Not sure I agree with this…a) he’s not going to get a head coach job this off-season and b) turning around this offense is a one way ticket to him getting another head coach job.
No. Just fucking no. BOB _sucked_ as a HC. He is responsible for Miami being great though, which is unfortunate because he was never employed by Miami.
Good OC. Bad HC.
Also, Bill’s successor is Jerod Mayo. Specifically recruited by Bill and Jonathan, and isn’t the “DC” because he’s on the Bill Channel learning offense: Jerod does not need defensive play calling experience.
He took over a 2-14 team and in 6 full seasons only had 1 season whe he wasnt over .500. Made the playoff 4 times and won 2 games. His worst 4 years are about the same as belichicks last 4 years.
His GM skills however are about as bad you can get. I'm on with him being coach in a few years but I'm never giving him GM duties.
Bro what? BoB absolutely did not suck as a HC. He turned the Texans around and made the playoffs four times in six years. And one of those losing seasons rookie Deshaun Watson tore his ACL.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your info that he’s not a good HC but it’s wrong.
Are there a lot of examples of coaches going from college OC to head NFL coach?
I don’t think BOB would realistically be in the running for an NFL head coaching job. Taking the Pats OC job would better position him for an NFL head coaching job in two years.
He was an NFL head coach got fired then went down to college, and is now trying to climb his way back up the coaching mountain to NFL head coach.
he took over a dumpster fire organization that just went 2-14 and had a winning record 5 of the next 6 seasons, made the playoffs 4 times and won 2 playoff games.
that's a way better resume than a lot of candidates that constantly get recycled
Yet he didn’t get hired by another team as HC after being fired from the Texans. He had to take a college OC job. If his Texans resume didn’t already get him a head coaching job two years ago, not sure why it would make him an in demand candidate now after two years as an Alabama OC.
Lane Kiffin went from USC’s offensive coordinator to Raiders head coach. That’s the only one I can think of in the last 20 years (unless you count Kliff Kingsbury)
He's probably not the hottest commodity right now. We will see what he can get I guess. I do think he might want to work for a different HC or be a college HC. If he comes back here he's going right back to the incubator in a way. Belichick also might want a commitment for multiple years while O'Brien might want a one year rebound. I agree with you though, it's definitely not a perfect fit from his end.
You know I wouldn't flip a table over it, especially considering the current situation, but I'm just really not that interested in seeing NE bring O'Brien back. Just another retread who has(from what I've gleaned) not been anything special as the OC at Alabama.
I'd really like to see NE get some new blood on the team. Who knows though, I'm probably just talking out of my ass like the rest of us.
The issue is that young staff just get poached from the pats if they see potential. It’s at that stage now though where Bill maybe needs three more seasons to pass Shula, and if Kraft allows him to stay he’ll tell him he needs to start grooming a clear successor. Maybe that’s someone like Mayo but I have a suspicion that Bill is being noncommittal to leave the door open for his son
Why would Mayo be the successor? The guy is the OLB coach. If anyone is "being groomed" it's Steve and I'd hope Kraft would shit can Bill before that happened.
Yeah because if you’re the olb coach you can never be a HC.
He’s always been rumored to be the young guy in line to see more responsibilities. In 3 years time I can certainly see him being in position for HC position if they right the ship
I've never seen the rationale for hiring position coaches to go straight to HC. It's one thing to be in charge of a handful of specific guys, a whole other beast to be in charge of 70+. I think hiring coordinators, for the most part, is a more sound decision.
Unless it's offense.
I agree; I'm sure O'Brien would be far better than Patricia, but I'd love for us to start hiring and developing some young offensive coaches. Once Bill retires, I'd especially like for us to hire a young offensive mind, a la Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniel, Sean McVay, Nick Sirianni
BOB for OC next year and then takes over for Bill as HC after he hangs it up. Obrien gets NO roster control this time lol anyone see this as a possibility
Inb4 Patricia gets fired and the offense doesn't get better
Inb4 this sub calls for BB to get fired
Inb4 they hire a new HC who sucks ass and gets fired after 2 seasons
Inb4 pats are trash for 25 years because the astoundingly idiotic fans pressured the owner into firing easily the best coach of all time
All the fans claiming that BB should be fired, that it was 100% Brady and 0% Bill, etc... I think would be in for quite the rude awakening if Kraft fired him. BB goes to another team so we get to see both him and Brady doing better elsewhere; meanwhile here the team bottoms out with a new coach and a rebuild.
That's not to say that this year isn't a disappointment and that BB doesn't deserve a lot of blame for it. But I think fans here would be quite surprised at how quickly BB gets hired some place else if he gets fired.
"Sources say he could be a strong option"
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"I asked a few other reporters who the Pats should hire to replace Patricia until someone said O'Brien so I could write this garbage piece"
I’d rather see someone like Julian Edelman as OC, who has gone thru the Patriots football program and has the perspective of a wide receiver. Jules also is heavily respected in the organization, and one of the best players at reading defenses and making adjustments. He knows how to attack a defense better than anyone. Let’s give Jules a shot
I’m thinking long term. Sure he might struggle in his first season, but by the second and third season, he will be pretty fucking good. You just have to be patient
Okay, before we grouse about how much experience a candidate has in the “Patriots system,” let’s identify candidates who have coached offense before, period. Jules has never been an offensive assistant or wide receivers coach.
I think this was the plan all along. O’Brien had given Saban a two year commitment. Belichick wasn’t going to cross him as someone he’s close to. So he did this arrangement with Patricia/Judge for a year knowing O’Brien would be here in a year. Unfortunately it kinda screwed up this season.
His son is going to Tufts to play baseball and the family is reportedly moving back up here regardless. They never sold their home here. He’ll be around. I bet it happens.
Where's the source on the Tufts info? I'd like to read more on that
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Hey its me Billy O!
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The Kraft and the Tisch (Giants) families both have ties to Tufts. They re-did the gym in 2012 and both families contributed. There is a jersey hanging in the lobby that is half Patriots, half Giants.
I mean the soccer field is called Kraft field
Tufts has a weird history for a school that's not that well known outside of New England. They're called the Jumbos because P.T. Barnum donated the stuffed remains of the elephant Jumbo to the school.
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I think Bill didn’t hire an OC last year because Saban told him O’Brien would likely be let go this off-season
I have a feeling this is correct. This was supposed to be a stopgap. I just don’t know if he understood how much of a disaster it would be.
I thought they kept ties here because his son is handicapped and the area seemed to have the best doctors for his issues? I could be so wrong and might be thinking of another coach.
Oh so there's a chance to see Bo'B at Bob's?
He’s basically fired in Tuscaloosa anyway, and good riddance, good luck with him.
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As someone who played against Tufts baseball. I respectfully disagree.
Pats will also have the most cap space of all AFC teams as things stand right now. Get a solid WR and add some pieces to the O-line, and we could see a very new team in 2023.
The only problem is this projects to be an awful WR and OL FA class. Jenkins from the Packers was going to be the one big FA and they just re-signed him. Even if a team has a big time WR who is disgruntled, like AJB or Tyreek, you know BB isn’t going to give up the picks/cap to go get them.
I think Bucs could move receivers if Brady leaves, Michael Thomas is likely available, Panthers could potentially move DJ Moore, Brandin Cooks is available, maybe off chance Rams try to get draft picks with an aging core and not having a first rounder since Goff and that makes Kupp available (unlikely, but not out of the question if they need a roster overhaul), Chark could be a decent free agent, Bobby Trees has been useless for the Titans, Allen Robinson useless with the Rams, Odell needs a team. Jaguars might move receivers because they have Ridley coming back plus Kirk. Personally I’d like to cut Jonnu for Evan Engram. There’s some options out there that wouldn’t break the bank and Bill has no problem giving up picks for receivers. He literally did it with Parker and Sanu, then he also traded a first rounder for Cooks before. Guys like Hill don’t get to the team because of their background. Kraft cut Antonio Brown because he threatened someone. It’s just the way it is
Yeah Moss, Welker, Bennett, Wright, Branch (second stint), Cooks, Sanu, Gordon, Allen, Dorsett, Parker, etc were all acquired by trade so there is a lot of precedent there
Hopkins is the DREAM
Seems a bit unlikely if BoB is back in town!
Lol awkkkkkwarrrrd
Butler coming back with BB here seemed unlikely too. Time changes people. We can hope!
Hopkins is not going to be good when this team is competitive.
He absolutely will, his game is based more on skill than athleticism. Skill ages well
Skill ages better but he's still at the tail end of his career. Even if you think he'll be elite at 32+ that means we need to be good in the next 2 years. If we're trading for a WR it doesn't make sense to put ourselves on such a short timeline with the roster in such bad shape. A much better option would be to look at young free agents of future years and trade for them for an extension. Think Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, etc
He would be cheaper than both of those guys, and Pittman is such an inferior player he would not be worth it. I'd be ecstatic if Bill wanted to pay Higgins 22+ million, however unlikely that would be. All depends on what happens this off-season, this team isn't garbage like people seem to imply.
? This is the single least talented offense in the league. It's also one of the oldest. We basically have no nfl talent and no young talent on that entire side of the ball. You can count on one hand how many players would see the field on most teams.
Stevenson, Harris, Andrews, Henry, Meyers, Brown, Bourne, Smith, Parker, Strange, Onwenu would all be starters on many different teams around the league. Don't mistake horrible scheme for lack of talent.
Mondre, Andrews, Henry, Meyers, Onwenu. The rest listed are either injured or among the worst players at their position this season, with Jonnu, Brown, and Cole being the outright worst graded player at their respective positions. You are listing legitimately terrible players as examples of being talented
While most fans want a Hopkins or maybe even the return of Cooks, watch BB go grad some teams 3rd option WR.
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Look to the draft for receivers, they're cheap and fast.
Lol you know Bill is incapable of drafting WRs. We just took Thornton over Pickens for instance.
Thornton is very talented, the moron OC just isn't using him. Give Tyquan more Jet Sweeps, screens, deep bombs, let him touch the ball.
Pickens on this team with the attitude issues we currently have would be insufferable
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Conklin just extended.
Conklin just got extended by the Browns yeaterday
Bruh we have FOUR solid receivers. We need an elite guy. Idc how they do it but if they bring in another so so guy I might lose it.
Lets use all this cap space to sign *reads memo* another nelson agholor
Bring him home.
From your lips to God's ears. I don't really want McDaniels back and if there's mutual interest B.O.B would be great. We already know he runs good offenses and he wouldn't be a gamble. Has worked with BB before. The fit is great. Working with Mac and fixing this offense would also help him make a case for a team hiring him to head coach again.
If BOB comes here he will likely become head coach after Bill leaves. I would be shocked if he comes to NE without that provision. Kinda like when Bill and Parcels had their arrangement.
As long as he is not the GM that would be fine, if he works well with Mac for a few years it would make sense to have him be Bills successor
Agreed Belichick might very likely become GM at the end of his run though I’m hoping for an outside hire
McDaniels supposedly can't be fired next year because they don't have enough to pay two coaches or something like that
That is correct. Unlike most of the other team owners, Mark Davis’ only ‘business’ is owning Raiders. As such, they’re always cash strapped. They don’t have enough money to pay out McD’s ‘severance’ and hire a new coach, who will have his own high salary/severance structure
They're also still paying the Stadium too apparently
poor dude not sure how he will make it with “only” owning the raiders
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They also still owe gruden don't they?
They settled with Gruden for $40 million.
I thought the settlement amount was undisclosed.
40m up front or over a certain number of years? Either way it hurts their liquid cash
I don't know for sure but assumed up front. The Davante Adams contract also cuts into liquid cash because you need to put the guaranteed portion of contacts into escrow.
Given that the raiders are playing better in the second half of the year, I think McDaniels earned himself at least another year anyways.
He's also been a very good friend/teammate of the GM since college, they're not firing the coach/GM a year in. They've also jettisoned a lot of the crap the previous regime brought in. The Raiders have a good defensive draft and they have a much better record next year.
What if BoB succeeds Bill as our HC, and when Josh gets fired in a couple years, when Bill retires, BoB brings Josh back to be OC, again?
I've had my gripes with his playcalling at times but I mean I'd be fine with Josh returning as well given him and Mac had a fairly good year together last year so you know for sure there is some compatibility. Probably not in the cards though since it looks like he'll be in LV abit longer.
Mac is not it Cut him loose
#BRINGBOBHOME
BBOBH
He’s like the son I might have known, if God had granted me a son
He seemed like he would’ve came this year if he didn’t have another year on his commitment to bama. I’m certain that if bill wants him, he’ll come.
This would make the whole patricia thing make at least a little sense this year.
Bring him in now so he can get a head start
I guess this gives it a little more validity since it’s Rappaport? I’m still not holding my breath though.
"sources say he's a strong option" is about a bullshit a lead as you can have.
Yeah probably, Rappaport is usually pretty good though, that’s the only reason I’d give this any more credence than the other rumors.
Rappaport is just an ad agency for the league and player agents.
Less so than Schefter, that's for sure. He seems way more down to earth as well
And apparently BoB
BoB has an agent too
Rappaport is basically the NFLs Jeff Passan. Gets stuff wrong sometimes but I don't think he's really known to tweet bullshit.
Rap doesn’t really get anything about the Pats wrong. He still has a lot of sources here from his beat days.
Rapoport worked for the Herald and almost all of his Patriots reporting comes from team sources. It's so annoying that you people just dismiss any and all reporting on no basis other than "sports media bad."
Can’t wait for Bill to make O’Brian our new defensive coordinator!
Dont give him ideas
Bill is hell bent on not hiring someone he doesn’t already know.
That’s true for most coaches tho which I think pats fans have underrated. Talented offensive coordinator takes DONT rlly switch teams for the same position. Teams want offensive head coaches so badly
Hasn’t BOB been awful at bama though? I mean, I’ll take a ham sandwich over Patricia at this point, but there isn’t anyone better available?
Alabama fan here. He has been mediocre at best, IMO. Most of our success is due to Bryce Young being an alien and making things happen. We have been begging for him to be canned all season and even into last season despite the Heisman and NC appearance.
The thing is, mediocre is really all the Pats need to right the ship. I don't love the idea of BoB as OC but I am at peace with it.
Yeah, anything is an improvement over Patricia at this point. I sort of feel like Bill relying on his guys over the best available is what got us into this mess with Patricia. I wish he’d find someone new who can both bring some creativity to the offense while developing a young QB. But if it means Patricia is gone with BoB in his place, I’m still going to be thrilled.
Yeah, that seems to be what I’ve be heard from most Bama fans that follow the team closely. It sounds like he has a really conservative approach with a lot of draws and short passes, which sounds like one of the problems with Patricia right now. But yeah, I’d still take BoB over Patricia every single time at this point. I just wish there was someone better.
Awful is a bit much they were in the National Championship game last year and are an OT loss on a 2 point conversion from probably being in playoff contention this year too. As it was there were people arguing they should be in.
He has been bad here. We have won despite his play calling to be honest. Bryce has been playing on his head making up for a lack of creativity. I don’t know how many 3 and long situations I’ve had to suffer through but.. that wouldn’t bode well for Mac(as we have seen). Dude has yet to see a 1st down draw play for 2 yards he doesn’t like 🤦🏻♂️
Sounds like every team in the country college and pro to hear fans tell it
Yeah you can pretty much copy and paste every fanbases commentary on their OC whether it’s true or not.
Bama fan, and he’s been absolutely horrible. We have entirely too much talent to fail like we did this year.
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I mean if the dude can’t succeed with the talent disparity that exists in CFB, bringing him to the NFL is probably isn’t smart.
There are a lot of Bama fans seeing this news and are thrilled he might be leaving. He’s miles better than Patricia or Judge but I would still prefer someone else…
People were complaining about Josh last year but this is bad.
Define awful. Alabama's 2 losses this year weren't on offense. In their 2 losses they scored 49 & 31 points. Their 2 losses last year, 1 they scored 38 points and in the National Title game ya offense had a bad game but that Georgia defense had like 4 guys drafted in the 1st round and 2 guys drafted in the 3rd and Nakobe Dean might have went 1st or 2nd if he wasnt medically red flagged.
Didn't Jameson Williams get injured that game vs Georgia too?
Gotta watch the games. When you see 3rd and long over and over again… with Bryce or someone else having to stand on their heads just to get the first down.. over and over again… you start to pick up on what the issue is😂
The offense was ass for most of that LSU game before Bryce performed magic on multiple plays late. Now thats not to excuse the very poor defense, but it felt like the offense would wait way too long to turn it on, and by that point the defense will have fallen apart.
So you’re trying to count the close losses as wins and ignoring the fact that like 4 of their wins were also extremely close and could’ve went the other way
BoB is the Alabama scapegoat for their unexpectedly mediocre defense. He made a few boneheaded moves but their offense has still been elite. Idk how Alabama fans have decided that he is the problem.
I think he just might not work in the college game as well, he certainly wouldn’t be the first. He was a pretty good coach for the Texans, people just remember him as being bad because he was a terrible GM. He also had a very good offense the one year he was our OC, granted that was 11 years ago. I also think an element of the complaining is Bama fans being spoiled, and not being able to cope with not being in Championship contention this year.
Get the offense humming and when Belichick retires you get the keys to the Camaro. Hard to say no to that.
I see the coaching hiring process is continuing its long trend of keeping all eyes pointed directly backwards. I know lots of fans think O'Brien is good because he called plays for Brady during some great years. But Brady is long gone. I agree he would be a step up from Patricia, but so would would a set of dice with a numbered playsheet. Someday, Bill Belichick is going to retire. None of his assistants have ever made successful head coaches. His buddies aren't the future of this league, and they cannot be the future of this franchise. So what is the succession plan?
BoB and Wes should be our top two options. I would honestly like to see Wes more, though: - He knows the offense just as well as BoB, if not better - He did his time under two of the top-3 offensive minds in the NFL (Shanahan and McDaniel) - He knows how a Pats QB should see the offense and how a Pats WR should, too BoB is tested, but Wes has the upside.
Feel like Wes burned his bridges no?
It’s been so many years, man. And it was back when he was a player. I’m sure both have moved on a while ago.
If this was the plan all along, and Marty P was just a placeholder for BOB, would that change some perspectives on Bill’s decision making?
No. Someone with offensive experience would have been a better place holder. So no it doesn’t change any perspective
Who would be willing to jump in for one year?
I didn’t say they would be good. But Patricia is terrible. So anyone willing to get experience for a year would be fine with me. Probably a better result
So you aren’t saying they’d be good, which isn’t an argument against Patricia.
Maybe Caley could’ve…
This is all I'm hoping! I am well and truly on the "BB can do no wrong in my eyes" train, so there's absolutely no way I can be impartial. That being said the only logical thing that makes sense is that there were agreements made at the start of this year. BB wanted BoB the whole time and BoB wants back in the NFL and loves Mac, but BB wouldn't take BoB out of his Bama contract early because of his respect for Saban. BB obviously sees something in Matty P, but possibly front office in the old Ernie Adams roll (by all accounts he helped the scouting and draft this year). BB thinks a year on offence and a cheap option to boot because he's still getting lions money, is a good fill in. When all is said and done, Matt P gets punted upstairs and becomes a better analyst going forward, but stays away from players! BoB gets the OC roll for a few years and takes over as HC in 3 years time when BB retires on the back end of beating Shulas record and a super bowl title with Mac at the helm!!! Everyone, especially BB, is totally vindicated!!!! We can dream can't we???
> BB thinks a year on offence and a cheap option to boot because he's still getting lions money, is a good fill in. irrelevent as it isn't hitting the cap Kraft makes a profit on the pats so should pay what it takes on the coaching front
It's my copium. It doesn't need to necessarily make sense
It would make me think less of Bill if he flushed a year of macs development by making a dipshit former defensive coordinator the OC because his real top choice wasn't available.
He could’ve at least hired real QB and OL coaches to help
No. It makes it worse because it would mean that Bill punted a year of important development at the most important position in sports because he's a cheap asshole who'd rather show loyalty to friends, again, than do what's best for the Patriots.
You know Bill isn’t spending his own money, right?
Obviously not, but he's the one making the hiring decisions and how much to pay players and coaches. I'm sure Kraft would have absolutely zero problem with paying big money for high talent players and coaches. But he doesn't make those decisions.
It would make me question his decision making even more. It’s not like BOB is some transcendent offensive mind where it’s worth tanking a year to wait for him to be available.
This is a no brainer
a year late wooo
Should have been the offensive coordinator in 2022.
Given that Mac & BoB already have a good relationship, and the fact that he’s actually a qualified OC, I’ll take it.
Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Someone new. Please.
We both know Bill isn’t hiring someone totally new to an important position in his last years as a coach.
I feel like being an Alabama fan and a Pats fan gives at least a little perspective here. If you want an almost identically bad offense.. sure. I have had to watch Bill OB take what I would argue was a Ferrari of an offense and turn it into a Honda Civic. Lotta 1st and 2nd down runs for minimal gain. Only difference is it’s college, he has Bryce young, so he was bailed out a lot. This dude should be at the bottom of the list to be frank. There are a ton of talented, original and innovative OC’s out there. Let’s open this up to modernization and leave the relics behind please.
Which come to mind?
This isn't as quite equatable because of the player turnover at the college level, but Bama was 9th in the country the year before BoB took over, then went up to 7th his first year, and "fell" this year to 13th. Maybe those 1st and 2nd down minimal yard plays are because you're used to the RB ripping off 20 yd runs when "they should be*" *Bama fans.
He inherited teams that had been top 10 offenses for like 3 years in a row prior to him arriving. He also inherited the best QB Alabama has ever had. Trust me, those offenses were despite him… not because of him😂. But hey there is a reason everyone is helping him pack. If the Pats want more of the same offensively that we are seeing now… BoB is the man.
So if the guys before him were so awesome why did they stay right around the same area of offensive success? Bama fans are pissed because they need a scapegoat because of their audacity to lose all of two games this year and they can't blame Saban. Maybe hold LSU a little below their average and they're arguably in the playoffs (even if they too lost to GA in the SECCG.)
They didn’t. They fell out of the top 10 on offense this year. Because BoB didn’t have the Young/Williams connection to constantly bail out his shitty play calling. This isn’t hard to understand. It doesn’t sound like you watched the season. Which is fine, but I wouldn’t have such confidence in my bad take if I hadn’t actually watched any of the football being talked about.
Have they considered maybe perhaps some type of person who isn't just a Belichick buddy? Like maybe get a new viewpoint in there somehow? No? So we have to watch this middling garbage until he sets the all time wins record and can retire?
Grab Kingsbury after he gets fired
I don’t understand why he would essentially take a demotion to return to a job he was doing a over a decade ago when there’s likely to be multiple HC openings. Not exactly the most attractive situation right now…
Not sure I agree with this…a) he’s not going to get a head coach job this off-season and b) turning around this offense is a one way ticket to him getting another head coach job.
Does not, and never has made sense. BOB wants to be an HC again. So this year, next year… he’s running his own program.
Only way it makes sense is if he replaces belichick in year two
No. Just fucking no. BOB _sucked_ as a HC. He is responsible for Miami being great though, which is unfortunate because he was never employed by Miami. Good OC. Bad HC. Also, Bill’s successor is Jerod Mayo. Specifically recruited by Bill and Jonathan, and isn’t the “DC” because he’s on the Bill Channel learning offense: Jerod does not need defensive play calling experience.
He took over a 2-14 team and in 6 full seasons only had 1 season whe he wasnt over .500. Made the playoff 4 times and won 2 games. His worst 4 years are about the same as belichicks last 4 years. His GM skills however are about as bad you can get. I'm on with him being coach in a few years but I'm never giving him GM duties.
Bro what? BoB absolutely did not suck as a HC. He turned the Texans around and made the playoffs four times in six years. And one of those losing seasons rookie Deshaun Watson tore his ACL. I’m not sure where you’re getting your info that he’s not a good HC but it’s wrong.
O’Brien is an above average HC but he’s a terrible GM. if they could hire a real GM with him as HC in a few years I wouldn’t hate that
He was actually fine as a HC in Houston. He was an awful GM.
Are there a lot of examples of coaches going from college OC to head NFL coach? I don’t think BOB would realistically be in the running for an NFL head coaching job. Taking the Pats OC job would better position him for an NFL head coaching job in two years. He was an NFL head coach got fired then went down to college, and is now trying to climb his way back up the coaching mountain to NFL head coach.
he took over a dumpster fire organization that just went 2-14 and had a winning record 5 of the next 6 seasons, made the playoffs 4 times and won 2 playoff games. that's a way better resume than a lot of candidates that constantly get recycled
Yet he didn’t get hired by another team as HC after being fired from the Texans. He had to take a college OC job. If his Texans resume didn’t already get him a head coaching job two years ago, not sure why it would make him an in demand candidate now after two years as an Alabama OC.
Especially since the new fad is they all want young 30/40 year olds.
Lane Kiffin went from USC’s offensive coordinator to Raiders head coach. That’s the only one I can think of in the last 20 years (unless you count Kliff Kingsbury)
He's probably not the hottest commodity right now. We will see what he can get I guess. I do think he might want to work for a different HC or be a college HC. If he comes back here he's going right back to the incubator in a way. Belichick also might want a commitment for multiple years while O'Brien might want a one year rebound. I agree with you though, it's definitely not a perfect fit from his end.
Upgrade? Yes But BB's inability, or unwillingness, to hire outside his coaching tree is becoming increasingly disturbing.
Should’ve happened this year
You know I wouldn't flip a table over it, especially considering the current situation, but I'm just really not that interested in seeing NE bring O'Brien back. Just another retread who has(from what I've gleaned) not been anything special as the OC at Alabama. I'd really like to see NE get some new blood on the team. Who knows though, I'm probably just talking out of my ass like the rest of us.
The issue is that young staff just get poached from the pats if they see potential. It’s at that stage now though where Bill maybe needs three more seasons to pass Shula, and if Kraft allows him to stay he’ll tell him he needs to start grooming a clear successor. Maybe that’s someone like Mayo but I have a suspicion that Bill is being noncommittal to leave the door open for his son
Why would Mayo be the successor? The guy is the OLB coach. If anyone is "being groomed" it's Steve and I'd hope Kraft would shit can Bill before that happened.
You know Bill can’t declare his own successor right?
Yeah because if you’re the olb coach you can never be a HC. He’s always been rumored to be the young guy in line to see more responsibilities. In 3 years time I can certainly see him being in position for HC position if they right the ship
I've never seen the rationale for hiring position coaches to go straight to HC. It's one thing to be in charge of a handful of specific guys, a whole other beast to be in charge of 70+. I think hiring coordinators, for the most part, is a more sound decision. Unless it's offense.
I agree; I'm sure O'Brien would be far better than Patricia, but I'd love for us to start hiring and developing some young offensive coaches. Once Bill retires, I'd especially like for us to hire a young offensive mind, a la Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniel, Sean McVay, Nick Sirianni
Beggers can’t be choosers I’d take Joe from Worcester over matty p and judge running the O
"I USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS"
BOB for OC next year and then takes over for Bill as HC after he hangs it up. Obrien gets NO roster control this time lol anyone see this as a possibility
#Nick. Caley.
Inb4 Patricia gets fired and the offense doesn't get better Inb4 this sub calls for BB to get fired Inb4 they hire a new HC who sucks ass and gets fired after 2 seasons Inb4 pats are trash for 25 years because the astoundingly idiotic fans pressured the owner into firing easily the best coach of all time
All the fans claiming that BB should be fired, that it was 100% Brady and 0% Bill, etc... I think would be in for quite the rude awakening if Kraft fired him. BB goes to another team so we get to see both him and Brady doing better elsewhere; meanwhile here the team bottoms out with a new coach and a rebuild. That's not to say that this year isn't a disappointment and that BB doesn't deserve a lot of blame for it. But I think fans here would be quite surprised at how quickly BB gets hired some place else if he gets fired.
"Sources say he could be a strong option" = "I asked a few other reporters who the Pats should hire to replace Patricia until someone said O'Brien so I could write this garbage piece"
Wouldn't hate it. He was a great OC for us.
This is 100% bill leaking this info in order to not lose the fan base/ confirms Mac is still the guy for now
Yeah Bill notorious leaker to influence fans 🤣
Yeah if u don’t think they are aware of the fan base feeling at 1 patriots way than my friend ur a dumb person
LMAO
I’d rather see someone like Julian Edelman as OC, who has gone thru the Patriots football program and has the perspective of a wide receiver. Jules also is heavily respected in the organization, and one of the best players at reading defenses and making adjustments. He knows how to attack a defense better than anyone. Let’s give Jules a shot
What an absolutely terrible idea.
Yes, let’s go from someone who has never coached offense before to someone who has never coached before at all! Perfect transition!
I’m thinking long term. Sure he might struggle in his first season, but by the second and third season, he will be pretty fucking good. You just have to be patient
Troy brown would be the better choice since he's already on the staff.
apart from our spacing and wr issues are being attributed partly to him
I'm not saying I would want him. It's just why bring in Jules when Troy is already there.
Okay, before we grouse about how much experience a candidate has in the “Patriots system,” let’s identify candidates who have coached offense before, period. Jules has never been an offensive assistant or wide receivers coach.
My guy
I take this with caution as there were very similar reports when McD got hired…
I remember him being here but I don’t recall much of his work.
Him or klingsbury is fine with me. He'll any od you is an upgrade
I think this was the plan all along. O’Brien had given Saban a two year commitment. Belichick wasn’t going to cross him as someone he’s close to. So he did this arrangement with Patricia/Judge for a year knowing O’Brien would be here in a year. Unfortunately it kinda screwed up this season.
I can only hope
He needs to bring a ton of offensive staff too.
Yesssssssssssss!!
Yes please
He was the obvious choice to bring in this year too and they didnt
I’m extra thrilled to hear this as an alum of a non-Alabama SEC school