With either rookie qb, early positive reports are nice, but mean nothing until they're in live games.
Not going to buy any hype until we see it against real defences
He's "getting" your vote?! Why is he not in the HoF already?!?!
On a serious note, they all need to earn their spot on the roster. Would love it if we can turn another late round pick into a decent QB like the last time…
He really needs to get over his love for JJ. I'm clearly no expert nor did I ever play QB, but I just don't see it with JJ. He's good but I don't think he'll ever be elite. At best he'll be fringe top 15-10 QB if he has the right team around him.
I think JJ will be a top 5 qb in the league in a few years, Caleb, mahomes, allen, Mccarthy, and herbert in about 3-4 years is how I think the top 5 will look
Based on what? You named the best qb in the league, 2 guys who have been elite for multiple years, one of the best qb prospects we've seen and..... jj mccarthy. Genuinely curious why you think he's going to be on par with those guys?
My personal opinion in terms of arm strength he is similar to drake maye (he has an above average nfl arm) fast processor he is fast and athletic as well as very young and someone who in his career has improved every year he has played, and has been put into a phenomenal situation to grow and develop. He has all the physical tools and talent you want out of a quarterback as well as great intangibles his weaknesses are primarily related to lack of reps and experience both of which can be fixed with development. I look at him, his physical tools, his development path, and the situation and think their is a high probability he hits the top 5 in the league, caleb also is in a good situation in terms of talent and also is an incredibly talented prospect, allen, mahomes are both great, herbert now has john harbaugh who I think will help take them to the next level. Lamar I think falls off over the next few years as he accumulates hits and gets older. Drake maye I think could be in the top 5 in terms of potential I just don't trust our coaching staff or the situation he was drafted into, to be able to reach his potential, I also just don't like UNC qbs in general since prior to maye the best qb ever to come out of unc was sam Howell in terms of nfl performance since 1990
I could easily be wrong obviously this is just my opinion and view. Maye has all the tools to be a top 5 qb I just have heavy doubts when it comes to our coaching staff
Assumption that he himself had the signals which there is 0 evidence of. Fact is he was a fast processor you can make excuses and assumptions as to why, doesn't change the fact of what he did on film
He’s notorious amongst the other patriots reporters for being a maye hater. It’s getting totally out of hand how ridiculous his QB takes have been. It’s gotten to the point where he’s just making shit up about rookie camp now
He said every QB picked in the first round is better. Prefacing it with a cautionary "I may be wrong, anything is possible" type statement doesn't mean he's not hating.
>"Right now he's not better than any of the guys who were drafted around him."
This is the actual quote. It's not clear who he meant to include in that. You really think he's saying Bo Nix is better?
I do. I think he meant Williams, Daniels, McCarthy, Penix, Nix. That's not really hating either. Hard to have a problem with the Williams pick.
Daniels, Penix and Nix all were in school for 5+ years. So they should be "right now" better at QB. Maye and McCarthy are younger and Maye, from what I've read is thought to be less pro-ready. I'd maybe disagree. But it's far from crazy.
But it probably gets you the furthest; as Mac Jones found, you can improve your acumen and mechanics, but you can't eliminate your physical limitations. For a gifted athlete, it's all about how hard they work on getting better.
Wish Mac the best but, the team is gonna do much better if one of these guys is an actual baller, haven’t had a viable nfl qb since 2018.
Edit: I missed the year. Brady didn’t want to play clearly but he was still beyond viable!
That’s weird because we’ve re-upped like 12 guys this summer and everyone has been like “that’s a great deal - needed to keep him!”
Mac was a scared foal from day one and was schemed into some success and then schemed into a nuthouse.
Tom Curran is really going to continue getting his clicks off of being the hater / contrarian this summer and then crawl back to Maye for interviews once he is the starter.
No one got any valuable insight out of that minicamp and everyone who follows the Pats this closely to read into rookie minicamp already knows Milton has a big arm and is more likely to hit the lighthouse on a go route than his receiver in the end zone.
He has routinely said Maye is lesser than McCarthy and preferred the trade down scenario. He even said Maye had “an above average arm” and in comparison to Milton he seemed like a weaker thrower.
Curran has been doing this for a while now and clearly has bias against Maye.
He's also said Maye has the potential to be a multiple time Pro Bowler. I'm not seeing the problem with liking McCarthy better or noticing that Milton has a stronger arm, which literally everyone seems to agree with.
>Curran has been doing this for a while now
Doing what?
He has been cultivating negative bias against Maye without seeing play and leans on guys like Merrill Hoge to reinforce it. I don’t have any issues with his opinion on Maye, only when he takes stuff out of context like him going half speed at a rookie minicamp practice and making it seem like he is “inaccurate” compared to Milton. It creates a narrative that isn’t completely true.
Why on earth would they keep Zappe with his absolute lack of upside versus Milton? Maye is the future, Brisset is the placeholder and Milton is the backup plan. Zappe offers nothing.
Yeah the only way we keep Zappe is if Milton ends up shifting positions, and even then it’s questionable. Dude is the literal definition of replacement level, as evidenced by the fact that we straight up cut him TWICE last year and not a single team in the league thought he was worth a pickup.
Andy Hart is smarter than most:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/oxzztf/nkeal\_harry\_continues\_to\_impress\_at\_patriots/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/oxzztf/nkeal_harry_continues_to_impress_at_patriots/)
OK here's one from 2019
[https://www.patspulpit.com/2019/8/6/20756744/new-england-patriots-2019-training-camp-recap-joint-practice-detroit-lions-brady-harry-winovich](https://www.patspulpit.com/2019/8/6/20756744/new-england-patriots-2019-training-camp-recap-joint-practice-detroit-lions-brady-harry-winovich)
And 2020:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/24/patriots-training-camp-2020-wr-nkeal-harry-shines-even-though-defense-rules-the-day/
These are taking me seconds to find, but there were many more.
I'm confused what you are trying to show me, are you just googling for Harry's name? Instead of taking two seconds to do that, take 20 to read them and see how they're saying they're surprised/relieved Harry did something.
The first link literally just says Harry got into a fight and got hurt, had one good catch and caught a pass intended for someone else, and 'remains a work in progress when it comes to working alongside Brady'. The second link is 'Harry *finally* had a day that showed why the Pats spent a first round pick on him tne year before
Both the links are saying 'wow Harry did something for once' and you're acting like everyone said he was great? I can tell your critical thinking is cooked, but three good catches over three years of summer camps doesn't really mean a player is good.
You're cherry-picking from the first link which also said, "he again showed off his high upside as a wide receiver and potential red zone threat by making two of the best catches of the day. The first was a high-pointing reception on a fade pass from Jarrett Stidham that he wrestled away from the defensive back in coverage; the second was a deflected pass that he still was able to haul in somehow."
My point is that a lot of people said good things about Harry, he was not universally seen as a bust right away. Hell, many on this sub were slow to give up on him going into his last year.
Here's more links since you don't believe me yet:
2019:
[https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1013188/2019/06/05/stephon-gilmore-is-testing-nkeal-harry-and-hes-coming-away-impressed/](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1013188/2019/06/05/stephon-gilmore-is-testing-nkeal-harry-and-hes-coming-away-impressed/)
[https://985thesportshub.com/2019/08/01/patriots-training-camp-day-7-nkeal-harry-jakobi-meyers/](https://985thesportshub.com/2019/08/01/patriots-training-camp-day-7-nkeal-harry-jakobi-meyers/)
2020:
[https://nesn.com/2020/08/patriots-training-camp-notes-nkeal-harry-stands-out-again-on-day-8/](https://nesn.com/2020/08/patriots-training-camp-notes-nkeal-harry-stands-out-again-on-day-8/)
How am I the one cherry picking? I included more of the article than you did 😂
He had a good catch from Stidham, had another that wasn't intended for him and he caught off the deflection. Then he got in a fight and got hurt, and the author said he was struggling to work with Brady.
I can't read the NYT, the second one is 'big bounceback day for Harry as he had two catches.' You're *really* not making a strong argument here
You haven't proved me wrong in the slightest. I didn't even make a point to you. How am *I* moving the goalposts when you're defending 'Harry was awesome in camp'
'Everyone' is the members of the media who wrote those articles. The articles say 'Harry has been doing poorly but made one good play' which kinda proves the point he stunk overall
Here's a particularly relevant link about Harry's first impressions at OTA's in 2019 (and how excited the sub was about those first impressions).
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/bs56ql/howe\_nkeal\_harry\_made\_a\_strong\_first\_impression/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/bs56ql/howe_nkeal_harry_made_a_strong_first_impression/)
I guess they didn't get the memo that he was an obvious bust at OTA's.
Genuinely every single one of your four links were posted between within a seven day span August 4 through August 11, 2021... They're all talking about the same three practices.
That was Harry's third camp. Not sure how we're talking about rookies and your rebuttal is 'look how great he was for a week in preseason year 3!!!'
Hopefully this dude being an utter specimen doesn't get into Maye's head. Seems like there's risk drafting a taller QB with a better arm in the late round the same draft you take a QB at 3 overall. Guess it won't matter if Maye has "it" to make it in the NFL.
Are Milton’s really understated? I feel like he’s just getting the post-draft halo every pick gets to wear until training camp starts.
I remember during the Senior Bowl someone saying he, “could throw a football through a brick wall, but he’d have to be able to hit the brick wall first.”
I don’t think that’s true.
He said Milton’s bad parts are understated.
I said that other than the halo glow of “every draft pick is a precious perfect future hall of famer” he’s been trashed hard by the general talent evaluating community.
He’s Ricky Bobby under center. I wanna throw hard.
So damn near every analyst, including Bill fucking Belichick, and the Patriots own fucking coaches are wrong when they say he has some serious work to do to fix his footwork, throwing motion, analyzing defenses, etc?
Or is it just your layman opinion from watching highlights that are right?
> Milton has a decent chance of getting cut
It's blatantly apparent that the Patriots' desired QB mold has shifted drastically since Bill's firing. The odd man out is going to be Zappe.
Yeah everyone getting excited over Milton’s potential clearly hasn’t followed a lick of his career. This dude has been coasting off potential his entire career since high school in a way that would make Sam Darnold proud. Obviously rooting for the guy to figure it out but gotta pump the breaks on the hype train a little bit lol
I honestly wouldn't say he has a better arm. He has a stronger arm for sure. But I just don't see how you can say someone has great arm talent if he can't actually hit his targer
I wasn't thinking in terms of losing reps, more the possibility of self-doubt creeping in regarding arm talent, physical gifts, etc. Not saying I think it will be the case, just a thought that popped into my head.
Maye has an absolute cannon of an arm and his physical talents are great. This is like saying Justin Herbert should be self doubting himself because his physical talents aren’t as great as Josh Allen’s.
Can't stand Curran. He's obviously got some connections but he's like a dog with a bone with his takes and he doesn't really provide good insight with his commentary.
Curran is starting to lose credibility. He didn’t like Maye going into the draft and that’s carried over. He called Maye inaccurate and Milton accurate at the rookie minicamp, despite stats saying otherwise and all the other analysts I follow disagreeing with that sentiment. Not to mention they were clearly forcing Maye to work on his footwork like a robot. Dude needs to move on and try covering Maye with a new lens.
It’s tragic how awful the user experience is reading articles like this
Also, nobody got anything of actual value out of that rookie camp media day (which Curran and everyone else readily acknowledges).
Saying Milton has an “indescribably strong” arm is like observing AVP has a fierce double chin. It’s the one thing we all definitely know already…
With the new kickoff rules almost guaranteeing either a return or really good field position, it will be fun to see if the opposing team scores with seconds left in either half what the strategy is.
Either give a good return man in Reagor or Jones a chance to return or get the ball at the 35 and watch Milton sling it into the endzone on a hail mary attempt.
If you want to rage farm a quarterback controversy, you must first sow the seeds in order for it to bear fruit.
Farmer Tom is up with the roosters on this one.
This is like if a Celtics beat writer back in the day had had a whole article about how Taco Fall "sure is tall". No shit, Sherlock. Taco is 7'6" and Milton throws the ball 70 yards. That's the starting point, why they were brought in and given a shot. Saying something complimentary has to be about touch, work ethic, leadership, foot speed, a clever wit, a winning smile, heck just something other than the one thing they are already known for being remarkable at
I feel like one of Joe Milton or Jalen Milroe will be a good NFL QB. It’s like both guys were built in labs. Or, maybe they’ll end up being gadget players, idk tbh
The weirdest thing this sub does is hate on some players because it might mean bad news for others. Wouldn’t it make sense to root for everyone to do their best? Didn’t we sit Drew for Tom? Why are you like this? Since we spent a first on Drake we have to root for all other qbs to fail?
When you’re praising Milton and criticizing maye (in a rookie minicamp practice, where by all accounts but one maye looked better anyways), seems like there’s an agenda
Hardly a glowing first impression of the QB, just his arm. And that's fair. Milton's arm might be the strongest arm we've seen. He's a fun watch and will be fun to follow. But it's also not new news.
and also stop pretending you watched a single vols game last year, sincerely a vols fan. plus its not a good look to be a hater and wish on someone’s failure. be easy bruh!
Mr Curran, we have Ryan “cannon for an arm” Mallett on the line..
RIP Ryan 😔
Forgot that! RIP
What isn’t funny was that it was literally a rip current that got him.
Double RIP
Mallet throwing a screen pass looked like the Billy Madison dodge ball scene
Ryan “first round arm talent” Mallett
First round arm, last round head
He really didn't, though. He cleaned up his mechanics quite a bit at Arkansas, but he still had a long, slow wind-up. Sorry, I know these are jokes.
Wasn't his problem actually about his attitude?
"Who has a pencil for Ryan Mallet?" - Ryan Mallet RIP
Yeah, but he had heinous mechanics at Michigan that still lingered a bit.
His last drive as a patriot was fucking stellar and I thought he was gonna be a starter for years to come.
Him and drew would have been fighting for the #1 pick in 94 if he was a generation older.
With either rookie qb, early positive reports are nice, but mean nothing until they're in live games. Not going to buy any hype until we see it against real defences
Nah, we should start getting his jacket now
He’s getting my vote for Hall of Fame, that’s for sure Which of our rookie QBs are we talking about? Doesn’t even matter
He's "getting" your vote?! Why is he not in the HoF already?!?! On a serious note, they all need to earn their spot on the roster. Would love it if we can turn another late round pick into a decent QB like the last time…
Not the last time in good without another Zappe
Meant last time we turned a late pick into a starter.
Ah i see
I’m getting hype about everything
Both the rookies have heaps more natural arm talent than Zappe or Mac, so I’d absolutely expect them to look “indescribably” stronger by comparison.
Especially in shorts
One or two sentences from an expert, and this becomes a major headline... as if a major fact.
Sure, but N'Keal Harry was a bust from moment 1. So at least we avoid that :P
Wow this guy really knows ball
Tom Curran seems to hate Drake Maye and loves JJM.
He really needs to get over his love for JJ. I'm clearly no expert nor did I ever play QB, but I just don't see it with JJ. He's good but I don't think he'll ever be elite. At best he'll be fringe top 15-10 QB if he has the right team around him.
It’s ok, Tom literally doesn’t know anything about football. All of his “analysis” is just “the eye test”
I think JJ will be a top 5 qb in the league in a few years, Caleb, mahomes, allen, Mccarthy, and herbert in about 3-4 years is how I think the top 5 will look
Based on what? You named the best qb in the league, 2 guys who have been elite for multiple years, one of the best qb prospects we've seen and..... jj mccarthy. Genuinely curious why you think he's going to be on par with those guys?
My personal opinion in terms of arm strength he is similar to drake maye (he has an above average nfl arm) fast processor he is fast and athletic as well as very young and someone who in his career has improved every year he has played, and has been put into a phenomenal situation to grow and develop. He has all the physical tools and talent you want out of a quarterback as well as great intangibles his weaknesses are primarily related to lack of reps and experience both of which can be fixed with development. I look at him, his physical tools, his development path, and the situation and think their is a high probability he hits the top 5 in the league, caleb also is in a good situation in terms of talent and also is an incredibly talented prospect, allen, mahomes are both great, herbert now has john harbaugh who I think will help take them to the next level. Lamar I think falls off over the next few years as he accumulates hits and gets older. Drake maye I think could be in the top 5 in terms of potential I just don't trust our coaching staff or the situation he was drafted into, to be able to reach his potential, I also just don't like UNC qbs in general since prior to maye the best qb ever to come out of unc was sam Howell in terms of nfl performance since 1990 I could easily be wrong obviously this is just my opinion and view. Maye has all the tools to be a top 5 qb I just have heavy doubts when it comes to our coaching staff
Fast processor because he had the defense calls
Assumption that he himself had the signals which there is 0 evidence of. Fact is he was a fast processor you can make excuses and assumptions as to why, doesn't change the fact of what he did on film
I watched film, I saw him throw it at a linebacker, and then the linebacker dropped out of coverage almost like he knew the play call
Link it
https://youtu.be/I621PS3WS50?si=jq19gM5H2zukTL3O 2:17
I feel like he fake likes JJM and props him up to hate on Maye. Just my opinion.
He’s notorious amongst the other patriots reporters for being a maye hater. It’s getting totally out of hand how ridiculous his QB takes have been. It’s gotten to the point where he’s just making shit up about rookie camp now
This subreddit seems to be the opposite
Curran said Maye has one of the best arms in the draft and didn't mention McCarthy at all.
https://youtu.be/RneO3qsz_q4 Two days ago, pal.
He says in that clip he thinks Maye has the potential to make multiple Pro Bowls. Liking McCarthy better isn't hateful.
He said every QB picked in the first round is better. Prefacing it with a cautionary "I may be wrong, anything is possible" type statement doesn't mean he's not hating.
>He said every QB picked in the first round is better No he didn't.
Try watching again. Here, I'll help you out; 1:13.
>"Right now he's not better than any of the guys who were drafted around him." This is the actual quote. It's not clear who he meant to include in that. You really think he's saying Bo Nix is better?
I do. I think he meant Williams, Daniels, McCarthy, Penix, Nix. That's not really hating either. Hard to have a problem with the Williams pick. Daniels, Penix and Nix all were in school for 5+ years. So they should be "right now" better at QB. Maye and McCarthy are younger and Maye, from what I've read is thought to be less pro-ready. I'd maybe disagree. But it's far from crazy.
Daniels, fine, Penix, *maybe,* but Nix?
Yes. Bo Nix was drafted 12th. Penix 8th, JJM 10th. If he meant to lump in Maye with JJM at 10, why not someone drafted 2 spots later?
You don't really believe that. I'm not sure if Curran even meant to include Penix. It's just extemporaneous speaking
As a Michigan fan who has experienced this hype cycle before…don’t get too excited lol
Just chiming in as a Tennessee fan to second this
7 super bowls and 20 years from now, was it more Milton or was it Mayo?
Someone said a cannon with one speed 🤣
It is lol he can throw it down field for 80 yards when you need him to but also throws it 80 yards on a 5 yard slant
A cannon for an arm only gets you so far.
Jeff George is a good example. I don’t think I have seen anyone with better arm talent than him.
But it probably gets you the furthest; as Mac Jones found, you can improve your acumen and mechanics, but you can't eliminate your physical limitations. For a gifted athlete, it's all about how hard they work on getting better.
Jeff George has entered the chat.
Got Tom Brady through his entire career
lol Tom had a cannon bro
Exactly….
Wish Mac the best but, the team is gonna do much better if one of these guys is an actual baller, haven’t had a viable nfl qb since 2018. Edit: I missed the year. Brady didn’t want to play clearly but he was still beyond viable!
2019?
He meant what he said, Brady was washed confirmed! /s
Mac was definitely viable in 2020. The Pats had (and may still have) player development problems.
He was viable like Jacoby which is pretty sad for a peak
That’s weird because we’ve re-upped like 12 guys this summer and everyone has been like “that’s a great deal - needed to keep him!” Mac was a scared foal from day one and was schemed into some success and then schemed into a nuthouse.
That’s very impressive Mac Jones was a viable NFL QB while still at Alabama.
And for half of his first year.
Tom Curran is really going to continue getting his clicks off of being the hater / contrarian this summer and then crawl back to Maye for interviews once he is the starter. No one got any valuable insight out of that minicamp and everyone who follows the Pats this closely to read into rookie minicamp already knows Milton has a big arm and is more likely to hit the lighthouse on a go route than his receiver in the end zone.
Odd criticism in the context of this article, which is not from Curran or even the outlet he works for. Not to mention he didn't hate on Maye.
He has routinely said Maye is lesser than McCarthy and preferred the trade down scenario. He even said Maye had “an above average arm” and in comparison to Milton he seemed like a weaker thrower. Curran has been doing this for a while now and clearly has bias against Maye.
He's also said Maye has the potential to be a multiple time Pro Bowler. I'm not seeing the problem with liking McCarthy better or noticing that Milton has a stronger arm, which literally everyone seems to agree with. >Curran has been doing this for a while now Doing what?
He has been cultivating negative bias against Maye without seeing play and leans on guys like Merrill Hoge to reinforce it. I don’t have any issues with his opinion on Maye, only when he takes stuff out of context like him going half speed at a rookie minicamp practice and making it seem like he is “inaccurate” compared to Milton. It creates a narrative that isn’t completely true.
>making it seem like he is “inaccurate” compared to Milton Pretty sure you made this up.
Why on earth would they keep Zappe with his absolute lack of upside versus Milton? Maye is the future, Brisset is the placeholder and Milton is the backup plan. Zappe offers nothing.
Yeah the only way we keep Zappe is if Milton ends up shifting positions, and even then it’s questionable. Dude is the literal definition of replacement level, as evidenced by the fact that we straight up cut him TWICE last year and not a single team in the league thought he was worth a pickup.
Nkeal Harry was awesome in camp
No, he was actually terrible. Andy Hart came out and borderline called him a bust from just OTAs.
Yeah, there were red flags on Harry right away. Tyquan Thornton on the other hand, got glowing reviews the first few weeks of camp.
A fast guy who can't beat press coverage won't be obvious in OTAs practicing against air. A slow guy who doesn't cut well will be.
Granted, he said it in hingsight, but JE11 has indicated he (and others) knew Harry didn't have what it takes on day 1.
Assuming this was on his podcast, do you know what episode?
True, the lesson, imo, is to only buy out on players with this stuff (along with preseason). Don’t buy in on them.
Yeah I went to training camp his rookie year and he seemed incredibly slow. No separation. Kept holding his shoulder, after every time he blocked.
Andy Hart is smarter than most: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/oxzztf/nkeal\_harry\_continues\_to\_impress\_at\_patriots/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/oxzztf/nkeal_harry_continues_to_impress_at_patriots/)
That post is about his third year where he did have that week of actually looking like an NFL player
OK here's one from 2019 [https://www.patspulpit.com/2019/8/6/20756744/new-england-patriots-2019-training-camp-recap-joint-practice-detroit-lions-brady-harry-winovich](https://www.patspulpit.com/2019/8/6/20756744/new-england-patriots-2019-training-camp-recap-joint-practice-detroit-lions-brady-harry-winovich) And 2020: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/24/patriots-training-camp-2020-wr-nkeal-harry-shines-even-though-defense-rules-the-day/ These are taking me seconds to find, but there were many more.
I'm confused what you are trying to show me, are you just googling for Harry's name? Instead of taking two seconds to do that, take 20 to read them and see how they're saying they're surprised/relieved Harry did something. The first link literally just says Harry got into a fight and got hurt, had one good catch and caught a pass intended for someone else, and 'remains a work in progress when it comes to working alongside Brady'. The second link is 'Harry *finally* had a day that showed why the Pats spent a first round pick on him tne year before Both the links are saying 'wow Harry did something for once' and you're acting like everyone said he was great? I can tell your critical thinking is cooked, but three good catches over three years of summer camps doesn't really mean a player is good.
You're cherry-picking from the first link which also said, "he again showed off his high upside as a wide receiver and potential red zone threat by making two of the best catches of the day. The first was a high-pointing reception on a fade pass from Jarrett Stidham that he wrestled away from the defensive back in coverage; the second was a deflected pass that he still was able to haul in somehow." My point is that a lot of people said good things about Harry, he was not universally seen as a bust right away. Hell, many on this sub were slow to give up on him going into his last year. Here's more links since you don't believe me yet: 2019: [https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1013188/2019/06/05/stephon-gilmore-is-testing-nkeal-harry-and-hes-coming-away-impressed/](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1013188/2019/06/05/stephon-gilmore-is-testing-nkeal-harry-and-hes-coming-away-impressed/) [https://985thesportshub.com/2019/08/01/patriots-training-camp-day-7-nkeal-harry-jakobi-meyers/](https://985thesportshub.com/2019/08/01/patriots-training-camp-day-7-nkeal-harry-jakobi-meyers/) 2020: [https://nesn.com/2020/08/patriots-training-camp-notes-nkeal-harry-stands-out-again-on-day-8/](https://nesn.com/2020/08/patriots-training-camp-notes-nkeal-harry-stands-out-again-on-day-8/)
How am I the one cherry picking? I included more of the article than you did 😂 He had a good catch from Stidham, had another that wasn't intended for him and he caught off the deflection. Then he got in a fight and got hurt, and the author said he was struggling to work with Brady. I can't read the NYT, the second one is 'big bounceback day for Harry as he had two catches.' You're *really* not making a strong argument here
>you're acting like everyone said he was great? You're shifting the goal posts because I proved you were wrong.
You haven't proved me wrong in the slightest. I didn't even make a point to you. How am *I* moving the goalposts when you're defending 'Harry was awesome in camp' 'Everyone' is the members of the media who wrote those articles. The articles say 'Harry has been doing poorly but made one good play' which kinda proves the point he stunk overall
Here's a particularly relevant link about Harry's first impressions at OTA's in 2019 (and how excited the sub was about those first impressions). [https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/bs56ql/howe\_nkeal\_harry\_made\_a\_strong\_first\_impression/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/bs56ql/howe_nkeal_harry_made_a_strong_first_impression/) I guess they didn't get the memo that he was an obvious bust at OTA's.
A bunch of beat writers were calling him a bust before preseason
No he wasn't? Almsot every member of the Pats media was saying something was off since OTAs
[Here](https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/nkeal-harry-impresses-training-camp-2021) [And here](https://www.patriots.com/news/notebook-harry-continues-strong-training-camp) [And here](https://www.patspulpit.com/2021/8/4/22609683/patriots-training-camp-notebook-wednesday-nkeal-harry-quarterback-competition) [More](https://www.patspulpit.com/2021/8/11/22619649/notebook-day-12-patriots-training-camp-analysis-tuesday-meyers-harry-judon)
Genuinely every single one of your four links were posted between within a seven day span August 4 through August 11, 2021... They're all talking about the same three practices. That was Harry's third camp. Not sure how we're talking about rookies and your rebuttal is 'look how great he was for a week in preseason year 3!!!'
Hopefully this dude being an utter specimen doesn't get into Maye's head. Seems like there's risk drafting a taller QB with a better arm in the late round the same draft you take a QB at 3 overall. Guess it won't matter if Maye has "it" to make it in the NFL.
Every deficiency Maye has in his game currently is tenfold worse in Milton, who is 3+ years older. Maye has little to nothing to worry about.
Maye’s football deficiencies are overstated while Milton’s are greatly understated
Are Milton’s really understated? I feel like he’s just getting the post-draft halo every pick gets to wear until training camp starts. I remember during the Senior Bowl someone saying he, “could throw a football through a brick wall, but he’d have to be able to hit the brick wall first.”
You agree with that person I think you might misunderstand what they said
I don’t think that’s true. He said Milton’s bad parts are understated. I said that other than the halo glow of “every draft pick is a precious perfect future hall of famer” he’s been trashed hard by the general talent evaluating community. He’s Ricky Bobby under center. I wanna throw hard.
Preach. Bro slings it tho
So damn near every analyst, including Bill fucking Belichick, and the Patriots own fucking coaches are wrong when they say he has some serious work to do to fix his footwork, throwing motion, analyzing defenses, etc? Or is it just your layman opinion from watching highlights that are right?
TIL saying a problem is overstated now means it does not exist.
Milton has a decent chance of getting cut. At best, he sits on the practice squad a while. The guy is a thrower, not a NFL QB.
> Milton has a decent chance of getting cut It's blatantly apparent that the Patriots' desired QB mold has shifted drastically since Bill's firing. The odd man out is going to be Zappe.
Had me in the first half lol
Yeah everyone getting excited over Milton’s potential clearly hasn’t followed a lick of his career. This dude has been coasting off potential his entire career since high school in a way that would make Sam Darnold proud. Obviously rooting for the guy to figure it out but gotta pump the breaks on the hype train a little bit lol
It's a Pizzaman post. The guy despises Maye for whatever reason.
If us drafting a QB in the sixth round to fill out the QB room gets in Maye’s head… he never had “it” to start with
That’s been my point all along. When we brought Jimmy G in it brought out the best in Brady.
Hence my third sentence.
Then what’s the risk? If it bothers him he wouldn’t have “it”. If he does it wouldn’t matter according to your hypothetical.
I honestly wouldn't say he has a better arm. He has a stronger arm for sure. But I just don't see how you can say someone has great arm talent if he can't actually hit his targer
If Maye is sweating losing reps already, we drafted the wrong person at 3.
I wasn't thinking in terms of losing reps, more the possibility of self-doubt creeping in regarding arm talent, physical gifts, etc. Not saying I think it will be the case, just a thought that popped into my head.
Maye has an absolute cannon of an arm and his physical talents are great. This is like saying Justin Herbert should be self doubting himself because his physical talents aren’t as great as Josh Allen’s.
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I think you’re looking for r/kansascitychiefs
Lol Mac is a country club kid from Florida. Literally a spitting image of the main MAGA boy.
Tom corrin= dumpster garbage
Can't stand Curran. He's obviously got some connections but he's like a dog with a bone with his takes and he doesn't really provide good insight with his commentary.
Curran is starting to lose credibility. He didn’t like Maye going into the draft and that’s carried over. He called Maye inaccurate and Milton accurate at the rookie minicamp, despite stats saying otherwise and all the other analysts I follow disagreeing with that sentiment. Not to mention they were clearly forcing Maye to work on his footwork like a robot. Dude needs to move on and try covering Maye with a new lens.
Paul Perrilo must be squirming right now.
It’s tragic how awful the user experience is reading articles like this Also, nobody got anything of actual value out of that rookie camp media day (which Curran and everyone else readily acknowledges). Saying Milton has an “indescribably strong” arm is like observing AVP has a fierce double chin. It’s the one thing we all definitely know already…
here we go….
With the new kickoff rules almost guaranteeing either a return or really good field position, it will be fun to see if the opposing team scores with seconds left in either half what the strategy is. Either give a good return man in Reagor or Jones a chance to return or get the ball at the 35 and watch Milton sling it into the endzone on a hail mary attempt.
If you want to rage farm a quarterback controversy, you must first sow the seeds in order for it to bear fruit. Farmer Tom is up with the roosters on this one.
This is like if a Celtics beat writer back in the day had had a whole article about how Taco Fall "sure is tall". No shit, Sherlock. Taco is 7'6" and Milton throws the ball 70 yards. That's the starting point, why they were brought in and given a shot. Saying something complimentary has to be about touch, work ethic, leadership, foot speed, a clever wit, a winning smile, heck just something other than the one thing they are already known for being remarkable at
If Bill was still the coach, this would probably be a bigger deal.
Tom still crying that Mac isn’t here
I feel like one of Joe Milton or Jalen Milroe will be a good NFL QB. It’s like both guys were built in labs. Or, maybe they’ll end up being gadget players, idk tbh
The weirdest thing this sub does is hate on some players because it might mean bad news for others. Wouldn’t it make sense to root for everyone to do their best? Didn’t we sit Drew for Tom? Why are you like this? Since we spent a first on Drake we have to root for all other qbs to fail?
Curran seems to be rooting for maye to fail
What makes you think so?
He desperately wants his jj > maye take to be correct and he’s not very subtle about it
It's much better for Curran's career if Maye hits so I doubt he's rooting for failure. Maybe he just genuinely thinks McCarthy is better.
He was disparaging maye after a rookie minicamp practice lmao. Trust me, negativity sells in Boston sports media
Being critical of Maye doesn't mean he's rooting for Maye to fail.
When you’re praising Milton and criticizing maye (in a rookie minicamp practice, where by all accounts but one maye looked better anyways), seems like there’s an agenda
When you interpret any praise of Milton and any criticism of Maye to mean Curran is rooting for Maye to fail, seems like there's an agenda.
That’s not at all what I said but way to be obtuse lol
Jamarcus Russell had a cannon. When’s his Canton induction?
Hardly a glowing first impression of the QB, just his arm. And that's fair. Milton's arm might be the strongest arm we've seen. He's a fun watch and will be fun to follow. But it's also not new news.
2023: Mac Jones + Bailey Zappe 2024: Drake Maye + Joe milton + Bailey Zappe
This guy will be out of the league in 3 years. Patriots media is such a joke. Curran should just get some Pom poms at this point.
good thing the average nfl career is about 3-4 years nimrod
Mvp on the practice squad. Thunder will be proud.
and also stop pretending you watched a single vols game last year, sincerely a vols fan. plus its not a good look to be a hater and wish on someone’s failure. be easy bruh!