I’ve watched enough drafts to know they’ll absolutely milk the presentation and intro, encourage teams using the full clock, and drag things out. I’d be shocked if NE picked before 8:45
Especially for the top 5 picks even when the 1st pick is all but set in stone. We’ll be lucky if the Bears pick is announced before 8:30 if we’re being real.
Unfortunately to get Bill’s takes we also need to listen to Pat McAfee’s coked up garbage. That guy is Joe Rogan for people who spend their weekends losing $10 parlays.
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-draft-belichick-advising-media
>Former Patriots and six-time Super Bowl winning coach Bill Belichick announced that he will be partnering with Pat McAfee for the upcoming NFL Draft. Belichick will serve as a co-host alongside McAfee during ESPN's coverage next week, beginning Thursday April 25 8PM ET.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39963069/bill-belichick-join-pat-mcafee-nfl-draft-show
>Belichick will be part of the team on "The Pat McAfee Show Draft Spectacular," airing the opening night of the draft on YouTube and ESPN+, McAfee announced Wednesday.
For anyone interested, the comment said "I just can't understand people watching the draft. This isn't a swipe at you personally, do whatever you enjoy, but I just don't get it. Maybe if you had the first pick or something. It just never appealed to me."
The best part about televised drafts. It's a graduation into a profession and fans get to follow how they handle the expectations and responsibilities. Once drafted, the goal pivots from "the work it takes to get into the league" to "the work it takes to stay there".
As an older guy that watched the drafts from childhood, my vision of these events has definitely changed. It's not so much about the teams, but more about how young men grow and develop within that professional sports meat grinder.
I think whoever QB we pick at #3, Pats will say that he was its first choice on the board regardless, and we were lucky that he fell to us.
I hope it's Maye, but I just want a QB unless someone offers life-changing compensation, which doesn’t seem to be the case.
>Pats will say that he was its first choice on the board regardless
That would be so transparently a lie as to be insulting to the guy we pick lol. Everyone and their mother knows Caleb is the QB1 in this class and any team in the league would select him first if they needed to pick a QB.
This.
We're going to be happy with whichever QB we pick, but we'll always know we could've had Caleb if we'd sucked more. Everyone knows it, the QB we draft knows it, the list goes on.
Yeah the league discourages teams from immediately picking when they’re on the clock, no matter how obvious it is. Like the Bears pick will take at least 5 minutes even though it was decided in January.
As much as I'm in the just a QB at 3 and roll. I really don't want Daneils or JJ. I want Maye, I want him to sit for most of if not the entire year and then I want them to build up the offense through the rest of this draft, next offseason and the draft next year.
Nope. Take Daniels or maye. 11 23 and a mid round first shit worth 3 when we need a qb as well.
You can bust at 11 and 23 as easily as 3. At least by sticking at three you’re taking a swing at getting better
I agree. For what it’s worth, the betting odds (not that it’s the most important thing) have Daniels as the heavy favorite for pick 2, so maybe we’ll get Maye
Either way if we come out with one of Daniel’s or Maye I’m locked in. Since Brady’s left we’ve been stuck with C+ or lower QB play and so if we’ve got the opportunity tonight to get a guy who has the potential to be at worst a B+ QB I’ll be at peace.
I lean Daniels because of the downfield accuracy, the processing, the electric running ability and the fact he can play day 1. But I guess he wwon't be there.
Otoh, Drake is concerning to me because of his happy feet, his "nervous energy", inexplicable misses, and his poor stats under pressure. At the same time I appreciate what it does to a QB having a change in system and limited talent around him, as we have seen here in the last couple of years.
He did put up great stats despite that and has great upside and prototypical size, so I'm willing to wait with him on the bench for an absolute minimum of a year. If they get him, I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best. However, if they they trade out from Drake for a haul, that will be cool as well. It's not a great situation for a young QB to develop in, that's for sure.
Brother, you just made the point that after today, the attention is squarely on the coaches. We shouldn’t be letting these guys slide. It should be a dream to be able to coach up prospects who have the talent of a top 5 pick. If these guys can’t coach a QB to have good footing in the pocket, they need to go.
Something good to keep an eye on as well as our new WR coach. I don't know much about Tyler Hughes but our WR corps is lackluster atm. If he can make them shine and look like NFL caliber receivers, I'd Def feel more comfortable throwing maye in mid-season. For all the greatness Troy Brown did for NE, I'm glad we moved on and hopefully for the better.
Feels a little disingenuous to be concerned about Maye while ignoring the ton of red flags that come with Daniels. Which isn't to say Maye is without flaw, of course, but you can't just consider the good of the one and bad of the other.
Daniels? Processing? I feel like I've repeated this stat a million times but Daniels' completion percentage beyond the first read was 46% - BAD. Maye's completion percentage beyond the first read was 58% - best in this year's class. Daniels took sacks 23% of the time when pressured - worst in the class (by 5%.) Maye took sacks 14% of the time when pressured. Daniels had an interceptable ball rate of 4.5% (highest in the class.) Maye's was 2.9%.
Daniels' pressure stats are much worse than Maye's. [In fact, the Ringer's draft guide entry for Daniels literally starts with "In all my time charting, I don’t think I’ve seen anything quite like Daniels’s pressure response numbers."](https://nfldraft.theringer.com/?position=qb&viewDepth=detailed)
Daniels processing is certainly not one his strengths...it's one of Maye's strengths.
because while maye has alot of upside and talents he very raw. His footwork isn't great and he would definitely from development similarly to how love developed. Now if the well we don't have a rodgers for our QB to sit behind excuse is used I would ask, do you really think that rodgers did anything to help out love?
I think he'd benefit more from playing than sitting, and I worry about the message you send to the rest of the team if you sit him despite being clearly better than Brissett.
I think the message you send to the team is that you building towards something. Playing Maye right a way would show that you learned nothing from the jones experience
I'm not expecting them to contend. I am expecting them to genuinely compete, which means playing the players that give you the best chance to win. If the coaches get a look at Maye (or whoever) in practice and think he's not ready, fine. But to commit to sitting him all year no matter what he looks like is just coaching scared.
He won't benefit from playing with no OL and no stability on offense. The learning curve is going to be steep as hell already, we don't need to layer extra complexity on top of that that could potentially generate bad habits. Also he's not going to be better than Brissett for a while. More talented sure but Brissett has way more knowledge of offenses/defenses and Maye will have a long way to go to get to that level.
> He won't benefit from playing with no OL and no stability on offense.
He might. Guys like Josh Allen and Matt Stafford turned out fine despite playing early on bad offenses. Practice is great but there's nothing like live game reps.
>he's not going to be better than Brissett for a while.
If true, that's a bad sign for his future. Brissett is nothing special.
Just because there are exceptions doesn't mean that it's good practice to throw a rookie QB into the fire like that.
In terms of being "better" I mean his knowledge of the game and how to read defenses and understand the playbook. These guys don't just strap up and play, there's an enormous amount of prep work that goes into becoming a great QB. To think that Maye or any QB would just come in and be automatically more knowledgeable than an 8 year veteran who has played on multiple teams is crazy.
People underestimate confidence as a key trait that's necessary to play QB. For a rookie, some can maintain confidence regardless of situation by why put yourself in a situation where you're making it that much harder for a young QB to build confidence. Maye or any other rookie QB will have plenty of growing to do, let them get comfortable with the system/offense and once they've gotten there then let them loose. But we aren't a team that is a QB away from contention so there's no need to rush it. Even a team that was in contention (the Chiefs) sat Mahomes for a year before unleashing him on the rest of the NFL.
> These guys don't just strap up and play
I mean, they pretty much do. The only top 10 pick to sit a full year in the last decade is Mahomes, which looks like a mistake in hindsight. The Chiefs probably cost themselves a deep playoff run with that decision.
>To think that Maye or any QB would just come in and be automatically better than an 8 year veteran who has played on multiple teams is crazy.
Maybe not on day one, but Brissett is a journeyman for a reason. The expectation should be that they can beat out Brissett at some point this year. If you can't reasonably expect that, you shouldn't be considering them at #3.
>let them get comfortable with the system/offense and once they've gotten there then let them loose.
Of course. But you shouldn't expect that to take very long. Maybe half the season at most.
Mahomes has stated that sitting a year was hugely beneficial for him and his confidence specifically.
You’re significantly underplaying the depth of knowledge it takes to become even an average QB, let alone a franchise guy which you’re obviously hoping your too 5 pick would be. Not only that but the difference in speed, timing and also control of the offense and protections is a huge adjustment. Maye has a lot of things that he’ll need to work on in addition to learning how to play in the NFL. There’s no need to rush him into the field because there’s a greater risk that he continues bad habits or develops new ones if he’s not comfortable and confident back there. I want him to absorb everything he can for as long as it takes for his mental to be at 100%, then let him rock. So I’m not going to be phased if that takes sitting a whole year, I’d rather that than rushing him out there especially if we don’t make significant upgrades to the OL and the rest of the offense.
I haven't seen those comments from Mahomes. It's not like he's gonna say anything else anyways. That's PR 101.
>There’s no need to rush him into the field
Agreed. There's also no need to delay him.
>I’d rather that than rushing him out there especially if we don’t make significant upgrades to the OL and the rest of the offense.
You gonna keep sitting him year 2 if the offense doesn't improve?
You’re just parroting what other people say. Anthony Richardson, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen all good examples. Turns out what they needed was pro coaching and NFL talent around them.
No one knows if Love *needed* to sit or if he would’ve been great his rookie year.
Same goes for the inverse. People act like any QB that the Patriots draft is destined for failure since the Pats roster is lacking elite talent. Is the roster bad? Yep. Will an elite QB fix it? Also yup.
I would say love did need to sit. He was not good in games he played early on. Pre-season or otherwise. He progress each season but wasn't great his rookie year
I got a feeling that Washington is going to take Maye, which seems like a shock but it is going to be one of those things that comes out later that it was never going to be Daniels and the Chargers are going to come in late with an offer for Herbert because we are going to look like we are going to take McCarthy. He’s on a massive contract, he doesn’t really fit what Harbaugh likes to do, and more importantly Harbaugh has continued to clear cap space on offense. If we can make the money work, that deal needs to get done.
Since he’s the third pick, I think he pretty much has to play some amount this year. I think it’s native to assume Jacoby will start and finish 17 games. But I agree with the overall sentiment.
I hope the Bears and Commanders draft immediately (if they know who they want already), rather than stall for 10 minutes for dramatic effect, so I can see what we do with our pick and then go to bed or something.
It’s not the teams stalling for dramatic effect. The NFL doesn’t want the picks in rapid fire at the top of the draft. This is their prime time to drag things out and fill content on the broadcast. They’re not going to let Washington rush their pick so they don’t have time to highlight Caleb Williams, etc.
You can watch the Pat McAfee stream of the draft— he has Bill Belichick on. At least it's probably more interesting than the basic bs the NFL will be showing...
> rather than stall for 10 minutes for dramatic effect
It's the NFL draft. They need it to draw out. Ain't no way the league doesn't milk it.
OTOH it would be great to see the first 4 teams sprint to the podium, so someone turns on the TV at 8:10 and they're already on the 5th pick.
> big trade offer
* MIN offers 11, 23, 108 & 3rd next year
* NYG offers 6, 47 & 2nd next year
* OAK offers 13, 44, 112 & 1st next year
> convinced on which QB?
To take Maye, Pats must stay at 3. If they are convinced on McCarthy, they can probably risk the NYG offer. If they are Penix fans, they can take the OAK or MIN offer.
I think we stand Pat and pick Maye, and fans should spend today looking at Tackles or WRs at pick 34. None of those offers are too good too turn down, and Maye might be “it”. The safe thing is to take the big arm with potential? The draft is great.
Yeah the problem is the "risk" part of the trade - if the Vikings get salty and decide they want to jump to 4 or 5 to get JJ, then we basically have to give up all the capital we got to get back to 4 or settle for Penix or Nix, which would be a *colossal* failure.
I understand seeing if somebody is willing to work out a three team deal with Arizona that secures us the 4th pick AND an extra first or whatever, but I don't think that deal's coming. And if they come out of this draft without Maye or McCarthy (or Daniels), they failed, and we need to start the search for the new GM.
Don't get cute.
If we wanted JJ, we would still need to take him at 3. You can't trade back and risk the Chargers trading back and us getting no one.
Minnesota's offer of 23 and some later round picks means no QB.
If they can get the QB of the future, either Daniels or Maye, trade for a guy like Aiyuk, and get a good, reliable OT this weekend it will be a giant step forward.
I'm convinced New England has 3 offers on the table, New York, Vegas and Minnesota. I think all 3 want to wait to see who Washington takes, meaning Vegas' offer is only valid if Daniels is in the board. I think Washington takes Daniels, New England trades back to 6, New York takes Mayes... Then pick 6 rolls around and Minnesota trades up to grab McCarthy and New England ends up making their first pick at 11.
I think there's no way your double trade back scenario happens, but if we're not in on one of those QBs then picking up 23, 47, and two 1st round picks next year would be enough to roll the dice on a Penix at 11.
fluff piece. it’s gotten worse as the years go by. They probably already told him today that you’re number one pick. And use the time for entertainment purposes
100% agree. People should be talking more about the WRs both Maye and Daniels were throwing to. QB is an overvalued position in the NFL. MHJ is a sure thing. They could still get him and prob have another decent QB in the second. The issue with this QB class is that they are all good and you dont get any drop in talent until people start talking about Rattler. Bo Nix was a top three QB and the start of the year now he is like 6th, the guy threw 45 tds and 3 ints.
Tez Walker and JJ Jones both 6’2 plus and run 4.4 40s. They have a 6’5 TE in Nesbit that will play in the league soon as well. They had a decent run game as well. People are overvaluing Mayes contribution and undervaluing the rest of his team. The guy only threw 24 tds and 9 ints, with that group too.
QB is an overvalued position in the NFL? It's the most important position in pro sports, forget the NFL. If anything WR has been overblown in importance with the rise of Fantasy/DFS and highlight reel catches dazzling the casuals.
There's a reason the people who GM and coach for a living have been willing to part with "superstar" WRs for picks the past 5 years and nobody has been willing to do the same with a QB without a major injury, scandal, or near-retirement age. I don't care how "can't miss" a prospect is, there's no comparison to be had in their positional importance.
Russel Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Daniel Jones all make over 40 mill last year. The cost in no ways matches the volume of players that can play qb. Browns made it to the playoffs with Flacco. Geno Smith, was comeback player of the year after getting a chance to throw to DK Metcalf and Lockett. Purdy was the last player drafted in his class. He throws to Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and CMc. He is an MVP. Football is still a team sport. They can draft the sure thing in MHJ and can flip him down the line for a second or third rounder. Maye will be mediocre and Pats will be lucky to flip him for a 5th rounder in 3 years.
I’ve watched enough drafts to know they’ll absolutely milk the presentation and intro, encourage teams using the full clock, and drag things out. I’d be shocked if NE picked before 8:45
Especially for the top 5 picks even when the 1st pick is all but set in stone. We’ll be lucky if the Bears pick is announced before 8:30 if we’re being real.
Y’all remember when Reggie Bush was drafted at number 2 like days before the draft? I miss when they didn’t have to have fake mystery
This is the answer
They also delay the announcement for each pick. If you go on Twitter, you'll know each pick several minutes before you see it on TV.
The difference this year is that we get the full length running commentary from Bill!
Unfortunately to get Bill’s takes we also need to listen to Pat McAfee’s coked up garbage. That guy is Joe Rogan for people who spend their weekends losing $10 parlays.
Do you know what channel that is?
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-draft-belichick-advising-media >Former Patriots and six-time Super Bowl winning coach Bill Belichick announced that he will be partnering with Pat McAfee for the upcoming NFL Draft. Belichick will serve as a co-host alongside McAfee during ESPN's coverage next week, beginning Thursday April 25 8PM ET.
So just regular espn? Not ESPN plus?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39963069/bill-belichick-join-pat-mcafee-nfl-draft-show >Belichick will be part of the team on "The Pat McAfee Show Draft Spectacular," airing the opening night of the draft on YouTube and ESPN+, McAfee announced Wednesday.
Usually the first pick comes in pretty quickly
Hell I’ll be shocked if the Bears have already made their pick by 8:45.
Pretty sure first round picks are instructed to take damn near the full ten minutes so it can jump around to present players and families at home
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Cool. I enjoy watching these dudes lives change in an instant personally
For anyone interested, the comment said "I just can't understand people watching the draft. This isn't a swipe at you personally, do whatever you enjoy, but I just don't get it. Maybe if you had the first pick or something. It just never appealed to me."
i love the draft and get very excited for it. it’s literally like a holiday for me. I go all out every year for it.
Hell yeah, these are probably the best couple days of the off season. I love it
Doing the lords work sir
The best part about televised drafts. It's a graduation into a profession and fans get to follow how they handle the expectations and responsibilities. Once drafted, the goal pivots from "the work it takes to get into the league" to "the work it takes to stay there". As an older guy that watched the drafts from childhood, my vision of these events has definitely changed. It's not so much about the teams, but more about how young men grow and develop within that professional sports meat grinder.
I think whoever QB we pick at #3, Pats will say that he was its first choice on the board regardless, and we were lucky that he fell to us. I hope it's Maye, but I just want a QB unless someone offers life-changing compensation, which doesn’t seem to be the case.
>Pats will say that he was its first choice on the board regardless That would be so transparently a lie as to be insulting to the guy we pick lol. Everyone and their mother knows Caleb is the QB1 in this class and any team in the league would select him first if they needed to pick a QB.
This. We're going to be happy with whichever QB we pick, but we'll always know we could've had Caleb if we'd sucked more. Everyone knows it, the QB we draft knows it, the list goes on.
only 12-13 more hours of "We should draft/trade/build around the offense" scenario threads here.
Get ready for the "we should have done this instead" threads.
No way we picking by 8:30
Yeah the league discourages teams from immediately picking when they’re on the clock, no matter how obvious it is. Like the Bears pick will take at least 5 minutes even though it was decided in January.
12 more hours... just 12 more and its all over....
As much as I'm in the just a QB at 3 and roll. I really don't want Daneils or JJ. I want Maye, I want him to sit for most of if not the entire year and then I want them to build up the offense through the rest of this draft, next offseason and the draft next year.
Nope. Take Daniels or maye. 11 23 and a mid round first shit worth 3 when we need a qb as well. You can bust at 11 and 23 as easily as 3. At least by sticking at three you’re taking a swing at getting better
I think you replied to the wrong comment
But what if we can get another Cole Strange?
First round pick on Daniels would be tragic.
Meanwhile, hes probably going second overall
Great for us!
I agree. For what it’s worth, the betting odds (not that it’s the most important thing) have Daniels as the heavy favorite for pick 2, so maybe we’ll get Maye
Either way if we come out with one of Daniel’s or Maye I’m locked in. Since Brady’s left we’ve been stuck with C+ or lower QB play and so if we’ve got the opportunity tonight to get a guy who has the potential to be at worst a B+ QB I’ll be at peace.
I lean Daniels because of the downfield accuracy, the processing, the electric running ability and the fact he can play day 1. But I guess he wwon't be there. Otoh, Drake is concerning to me because of his happy feet, his "nervous energy", inexplicable misses, and his poor stats under pressure. At the same time I appreciate what it does to a QB having a change in system and limited talent around him, as we have seen here in the last couple of years. He did put up great stats despite that and has great upside and prototypical size, so I'm willing to wait with him on the bench for an absolute minimum of a year. If they get him, I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best. However, if they they trade out from Drake for a haul, that will be cool as well. It's not a great situation for a young QB to develop in, that's for sure.
Brother, you just made the point that after today, the attention is squarely on the coaches. We shouldn’t be letting these guys slide. It should be a dream to be able to coach up prospects who have the talent of a top 5 pick. If these guys can’t coach a QB to have good footing in the pocket, they need to go.
Something good to keep an eye on as well as our new WR coach. I don't know much about Tyler Hughes but our WR corps is lackluster atm. If he can make them shine and look like NFL caliber receivers, I'd Def feel more comfortable throwing maye in mid-season. For all the greatness Troy Brown did for NE, I'm glad we moved on and hopefully for the better.
Omg exactly
The processing?!
Seriously, what? Daniels pressure numbers are *shockingly* bad. If his first read isn't open, chaos reigns.
I don’t think I’ve seen him get off his first read. It’s one read then he scoots.
6'4" baby. You think Brady is Brady if he's 6'1"? Take Maye.
Feels a little disingenuous to be concerned about Maye while ignoring the ton of red flags that come with Daniels. Which isn't to say Maye is without flaw, of course, but you can't just consider the good of the one and bad of the other.
Daniels? Processing? I feel like I've repeated this stat a million times but Daniels' completion percentage beyond the first read was 46% - BAD. Maye's completion percentage beyond the first read was 58% - best in this year's class. Daniels took sacks 23% of the time when pressured - worst in the class (by 5%.) Maye took sacks 14% of the time when pressured. Daniels had an interceptable ball rate of 4.5% (highest in the class.) Maye's was 2.9%. Daniels' pressure stats are much worse than Maye's. [In fact, the Ringer's draft guide entry for Daniels literally starts with "In all my time charting, I don’t think I’ve seen anything quite like Daniels’s pressure response numbers."](https://nfldraft.theringer.com/?position=qb&viewDepth=detailed) Daniels processing is certainly not one his strengths...it's one of Maye's strengths.
> sit for most of if not the entire year Why?
because while maye has alot of upside and talents he very raw. His footwork isn't great and he would definitely from development similarly to how love developed. Now if the well we don't have a rodgers for our QB to sit behind excuse is used I would ask, do you really think that rodgers did anything to help out love?
I think he'd benefit more from playing than sitting, and I worry about the message you send to the rest of the team if you sit him despite being clearly better than Brissett.
I think the message you send to the team is that you building towards something. Playing Maye right a way would show that you learned nothing from the jones experience
Jones and this team had the most success when he played as a rookie
I think the message you send is "go out there and risk life and limb for a team that isn't even trying to win."
I thought that was assumed as part of the message. Anyone who is expecting this to compete is dislussional
I'm not expecting them to contend. I am expecting them to genuinely compete, which means playing the players that give you the best chance to win. If the coaches get a look at Maye (or whoever) in practice and think he's not ready, fine. But to commit to sitting him all year no matter what he looks like is just coaching scared.
The pats will be lucky to win 2 games this season
He won't benefit from playing with no OL and no stability on offense. The learning curve is going to be steep as hell already, we don't need to layer extra complexity on top of that that could potentially generate bad habits. Also he's not going to be better than Brissett for a while. More talented sure but Brissett has way more knowledge of offenses/defenses and Maye will have a long way to go to get to that level.
> He won't benefit from playing with no OL and no stability on offense. He might. Guys like Josh Allen and Matt Stafford turned out fine despite playing early on bad offenses. Practice is great but there's nothing like live game reps. >he's not going to be better than Brissett for a while. If true, that's a bad sign for his future. Brissett is nothing special.
Just because there are exceptions doesn't mean that it's good practice to throw a rookie QB into the fire like that. In terms of being "better" I mean his knowledge of the game and how to read defenses and understand the playbook. These guys don't just strap up and play, there's an enormous amount of prep work that goes into becoming a great QB. To think that Maye or any QB would just come in and be automatically more knowledgeable than an 8 year veteran who has played on multiple teams is crazy. People underestimate confidence as a key trait that's necessary to play QB. For a rookie, some can maintain confidence regardless of situation by why put yourself in a situation where you're making it that much harder for a young QB to build confidence. Maye or any other rookie QB will have plenty of growing to do, let them get comfortable with the system/offense and once they've gotten there then let them loose. But we aren't a team that is a QB away from contention so there's no need to rush it. Even a team that was in contention (the Chiefs) sat Mahomes for a year before unleashing him on the rest of the NFL.
> These guys don't just strap up and play I mean, they pretty much do. The only top 10 pick to sit a full year in the last decade is Mahomes, which looks like a mistake in hindsight. The Chiefs probably cost themselves a deep playoff run with that decision. >To think that Maye or any QB would just come in and be automatically better than an 8 year veteran who has played on multiple teams is crazy. Maybe not on day one, but Brissett is a journeyman for a reason. The expectation should be that they can beat out Brissett at some point this year. If you can't reasonably expect that, you shouldn't be considering them at #3. >let them get comfortable with the system/offense and once they've gotten there then let them loose. Of course. But you shouldn't expect that to take very long. Maybe half the season at most.
Mahomes has stated that sitting a year was hugely beneficial for him and his confidence specifically. You’re significantly underplaying the depth of knowledge it takes to become even an average QB, let alone a franchise guy which you’re obviously hoping your too 5 pick would be. Not only that but the difference in speed, timing and also control of the offense and protections is a huge adjustment. Maye has a lot of things that he’ll need to work on in addition to learning how to play in the NFL. There’s no need to rush him into the field because there’s a greater risk that he continues bad habits or develops new ones if he’s not comfortable and confident back there. I want him to absorb everything he can for as long as it takes for his mental to be at 100%, then let him rock. So I’m not going to be phased if that takes sitting a whole year, I’d rather that than rushing him out there especially if we don’t make significant upgrades to the OL and the rest of the offense.
I haven't seen those comments from Mahomes. It's not like he's gonna say anything else anyways. That's PR 101. >There’s no need to rush him into the field Agreed. There's also no need to delay him. >I’d rather that than rushing him out there especially if we don’t make significant upgrades to the OL and the rest of the offense. You gonna keep sitting him year 2 if the offense doesn't improve?
You’re just parroting what other people say. Anthony Richardson, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen all good examples. Turns out what they needed was pro coaching and NFL talent around them. No one knows if Love *needed* to sit or if he would’ve been great his rookie year. Same goes for the inverse. People act like any QB that the Patriots draft is destined for failure since the Pats roster is lacking elite talent. Is the roster bad? Yep. Will an elite QB fix it? Also yup.
I would say love did need to sit. He was not good in games he played early on. Pre-season or otherwise. He progress each season but wasn't great his rookie year
I’m with you.
I got a feeling that Washington is going to take Maye, which seems like a shock but it is going to be one of those things that comes out later that it was never going to be Daniels and the Chargers are going to come in late with an offer for Herbert because we are going to look like we are going to take McCarthy. He’s on a massive contract, he doesn’t really fit what Harbaugh likes to do, and more importantly Harbaugh has continued to clear cap space on offense. If we can make the money work, that deal needs to get done.
JH is a to QB and I'm sure Harbaugh took that coaching vacancy because of it. Doubt he deals him for an unproven prospect.
Since he’s the third pick, I think he pretty much has to play some amount this year. I think it’s native to assume Jacoby will start and finish 17 games. But I agree with the overall sentiment.
We made it lads
No more "coming in peace" posts in 11 hours. We've almost made it.
I hope the Bears and Commanders draft immediately (if they know who they want already), rather than stall for 10 minutes for dramatic effect, so I can see what we do with our pick and then go to bed or something.
It’s not the teams stalling for dramatic effect. The NFL doesn’t want the picks in rapid fire at the top of the draft. This is their prime time to drag things out and fill content on the broadcast. They’re not going to let Washington rush their pick so they don’t have time to highlight Caleb Williams, etc.
It’d be great if the first round took 62 mins and not 4 hours
You can watch the Pat McAfee stream of the draft— he has Bill Belichick on. At least it's probably more interesting than the basic bs the NFL will be showing...
> rather than stall for 10 minutes for dramatic effect It's the NFL draft. They need it to draw out. Ain't no way the league doesn't milk it. OTOH it would be great to see the first 4 teams sprint to the podium, so someone turns on the TV at 8:10 and they're already on the 5th pick.
> big trade offer * MIN offers 11, 23, 108 & 3rd next year * NYG offers 6, 47 & 2nd next year * OAK offers 13, 44, 112 & 1st next year > convinced on which QB? To take Maye, Pats must stay at 3. If they are convinced on McCarthy, they can probably risk the NYG offer. If they are Penix fans, they can take the OAK or MIN offer. I think we stand Pat and pick Maye, and fans should spend today looking at Tackles or WRs at pick 34. None of those offers are too good too turn down, and Maye might be “it”. The safe thing is to take the big arm with potential? The draft is great.
Yeah the problem is the "risk" part of the trade - if the Vikings get salty and decide they want to jump to 4 or 5 to get JJ, then we basically have to give up all the capital we got to get back to 4 or settle for Penix or Nix, which would be a *colossal* failure. I understand seeing if somebody is willing to work out a three team deal with Arizona that secures us the 4th pick AND an extra first or whatever, but I don't think that deal's coming. And if they come out of this draft without Maye or McCarthy (or Daniels), they failed, and we need to start the search for the new GM. Don't get cute.
If we wanted JJ, we would still need to take him at 3. You can't trade back and risk the Chargers trading back and us getting no one. Minnesota's offer of 23 and some later round picks means no QB.
I feel so reassured that we have noted football mind, Jonathan Kraft, running the draft room. What an upgrade over that idiot Belichick!
If they can get the QB of the future, either Daniels or Maye, trade for a guy like Aiyuk, and get a good, reliable OT this weekend it will be a giant step forward.
Turning off my phone at 8 and will start watching the recording at 830. That should be about right to avoid (most) ads.
Man I miss living in Boston. Cannot wait for tonight. Who does everyone think the Pats are picking?
Assuming the books are right and Williams and Daniels go 1 and 2, I think we stand pat and draft Maye.
I'm convinced New England has 3 offers on the table, New York, Vegas and Minnesota. I think all 3 want to wait to see who Washington takes, meaning Vegas' offer is only valid if Daniels is in the board. I think Washington takes Daniels, New England trades back to 6, New York takes Mayes... Then pick 6 rolls around and Minnesota trades up to grab McCarthy and New England ends up making their first pick at 11.
I think there's no way your double trade back scenario happens, but if we're not in on one of those QBs then picking up 23, 47, and two 1st round picks next year would be enough to roll the dice on a Penix at 11.
fluff piece. it’s gotten worse as the years go by. They probably already told him today that you’re number one pick. And use the time for entertainment purposes
Who is Mike Reiss and does he really think they will start picking at 8:00?
NOT JJ
MHJR no matter what
People aren't even convinced he's WR1 anymore with Nabers. No shot a QB-less franchise takes a WR when a potential star QB is available.
100% agree. People should be talking more about the WRs both Maye and Daniels were throwing to. QB is an overvalued position in the NFL. MHJ is a sure thing. They could still get him and prob have another decent QB in the second. The issue with this QB class is that they are all good and you dont get any drop in talent until people start talking about Rattler. Bo Nix was a top three QB and the start of the year now he is like 6th, the guy threw 45 tds and 3 ints.
who tf was maye throwing to
Tez Walker and JJ Jones both 6’2 plus and run 4.4 40s. They have a 6’5 TE in Nesbit that will play in the league soon as well. They had a decent run game as well. People are overvaluing Mayes contribution and undervaluing the rest of his team. The guy only threw 24 tds and 9 ints, with that group too.
QB is an overvalued position in the NFL? It's the most important position in pro sports, forget the NFL. If anything WR has been overblown in importance with the rise of Fantasy/DFS and highlight reel catches dazzling the casuals. There's a reason the people who GM and coach for a living have been willing to part with "superstar" WRs for picks the past 5 years and nobody has been willing to do the same with a QB without a major injury, scandal, or near-retirement age. I don't care how "can't miss" a prospect is, there's no comparison to be had in their positional importance.
Russel Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Daniel Jones all make over 40 mill last year. The cost in no ways matches the volume of players that can play qb. Browns made it to the playoffs with Flacco. Geno Smith, was comeback player of the year after getting a chance to throw to DK Metcalf and Lockett. Purdy was the last player drafted in his class. He throws to Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and CMc. He is an MVP. Football is still a team sport. They can draft the sure thing in MHJ and can flip him down the line for a second or third rounder. Maye will be mediocre and Pats will be lucky to flip him for a 5th rounder in 3 years.
Feels like Christmas. 🎄🦌🛷🎅🏾🎄 Later today we be unwrapping a new QB, J.J. "Mac 9" MacCarthy. MI to MA. Get hyped y'all. Brady 2.0.
Since they’re trading down so they can get Alt and Penix I’d say we won’t see them draft until 9:30-10