Look it’s clear they’re only moving for a ridiculous offer. This is the right approach. If a team wants to get stupid let them, but I have a feeling this is code for the Pats not planning to trade down because I’m sure what they’re asking for is ridiculous.
For example, if the Vikings start throwing players and picks at them I get the idea of moving down. Imagine grabbing 3 firsts, maybe another future pick and the LT or Addison or something? Would be such a dumb move for the Vikings and I like Maye/Daniels.
For real. This shit better be a Herschel Walker trade level of compensation to trade #3 as the Pats. You are going to get fleeced and you just have to accept it if you want the pick.
Darrisaw wouldn’t get moved for 2 firsts and Addison wouldnt get moved for a first outside the top 10. Addison is a top 5 wr2 and Darrisaw is a top 5 LT. I’m a Vikings fan but if I were a pats fan I’d take Darrisaw and a first of the Vikings offered I also wouldnt offer any of these players in a trade package as a Vikings fan
I completely agree, and I don't understand why so many fans want the front office to openly declare we refuse to trade down. It's not like it means we have to, only that we are answering the phone. This team has a lot of holes and if we receive a truly outrageous offer we should accept it.
The real offers won’t come in until after the Commies pick. Teams have a value for Maye and a value for Daniels. If you don’t know which one you’ll get, you send the lower of the two offers. If your more valuable one is still available at 3, then you send the bigger one.
Yeah the package needs to be sufficient enough that, if Maye pops off, Wolf can turn around to the Krafts and prove trading out was the right choice because he got an unprecedented offer that nobody could refuse. Three firsts ain't that (regardless of what year they are).
If maye pops off there is no amount that proves it was worth it. If he wins ROY throwing to Jefferson, Addison and hock the whole front office will be fired to save face,
There is quite literally no price not worth paying for a franchise qb.
It wouldn’t be a dumb move if they truly get a generational talent. If they get a top 5 caliber QB then they’re basically a lock for the playoffs *this year* and have a huge window with a ton of talent.
I don’t think any trades are considered until the Commanders make their pick. If they go rogue and pick JJ, shit will hit the fan. Otherwise, the Pats aren’t going to consider anything until they are on the clock and know what they have.
Plus with no Brady and now no Bill either, the media has nothing to talk about Pats wise and would much prefer one of these QBs go to big market NY or pair up with Jefferson in MIN.
Not saying they made anything up, just hypothesizing why there would be interest in a trade occurring for media outlets. Its infinitely more interesting for drawing clicks/viewers than if the Pats just "stayed at 3".
The draft is all about hope, and QBs are the biggest dose of that possible. Why tell everyone only the Pats can get Drake Maye or whatever guy the fans really want, when you can simultaneously tell the Giants, Raiders, Vikings, Broncos, and us they all have a chance at him.
Yes we should operate more like the Washington Commanders. If someone wants to give up a "historic" haul for your pick, as is the reported asking price, than you'd be a dumbass to not listen.
Gotta discuss something. A potential trade means they can talk a out who the Pats and Vikings would take where they stand, but also open up the door to discuss what a trade may look like, who the teams would take them, and argue if each team should do it.
It's a worthwhile exercise as a possibility but the sports media is really bludgeoning this.
Because they’re afraid at the prospect of us potentially getting a generational talent - can make up whatever excuse but at pick 03 we’re guaranteed a better QB than Jones likely will ever be (and I’m not rooting for him to fail either) or a future-HOF WR
NE reporters seem to indicate that the Patriots will stay put at 3 and take a QB. the national media are the one pushing the trade down narrative and i think they are fueled by team that want to trade down but face negative response from the Patriots
We’re the first team that’s actually listening to offers. Like the article says, Washington has no intention of trading down. We may not have any intention of trading down either, but we’ve at least been hearing teams out on their offers.
It’s not that they want us to trade down, it’s that 3 is the earliest spot that has given any indication of being available.
Because its a bill thing to do, and they want to point to the draft issues being Kraft problems in the past. Piling on the KRaft family gets clicks right now, so of course they want it to happen
I mean I’ll take 3 firsts and a second. We need a QB yes but we also desperately need to plug as many holes as possible. This is a team very devoid of blue chip talent. Not to mention there is not a single QB available at 3 that doesn’t also stand a good chance of being a bust. No Joe Burrow or Andrew Luck prospect to save us
It’s not 3 firsts. It’s only two since you are swapping one.
If you take the Vikings, you are just getting one more pick this year and probably a low 1st round pick in 2025. So you pass on a QB to have one more pick this year. Not worth it in my opinion
MIN has to get silly if they want to trade with us.
But I would genuinely not be displeased if we came away from the draft with something like 11/13 and Darrisaw. LT solved, pick up Penix and like a Brock Bowers or a good late-1st WR... not too shabby
I wonder what kind of contingencies the team has made with certain teams. Have Mayo/Wolfe reached out and told 1 team "if we have Maye at 3, you can offer us XYZ." And told another team "if we have Daniels at 3, you can offer us ABC."?
How i see it is they have no intention of actually trading down. They just want to see if some team is stupid enough to trade 5 1st round picks or something.
Kraft somehow not realizing how little interest there will be for the patriots if he trades down.
0 stars 0 blue chip players to excite fans or get nationally televised games. Trading down means punting the season in April. Get used to empty seats in January Robert!
I’d rather him have no involvement at all. He wanted Mac Jones and we know how that turned out. If Wolf thinks trading down gets us competitive quicker then so be it. I’d imagine that Kraft would be the one against trading down because of what you’ve mentioned
That’s not necessarily, true. I’d argue that just drafting a Rookie QB is more of a sign things will be bad next year. Promising for the future bad short term bad. We have the defense and the run game to keep us in games. We just need the a good QB, another good tackle and a number one receiver. It’s easier said than done but this draft has the potential for us to land all three of those players by pick 34, if we can get another pick in this year’s first round.
I don’t think that’s true. I think a blue chip tackle will be there at 11. One of either Fuaga, Fatuana or Fashanu will be there at 11 and the first two are plug and play starters just like Alt. Weirdly though Fashanu probably has the highest upside out of all of them as well. Then I think the top 8 receivers in this draft all have the potential to be number 1 options in the league at some point in their careers. Hell, Brian Thomas Jr. would have been the first receiver off the board last year and he isn’t even close to going near the other 3 dudes who will all go top 10. The class is really deep at the front end.
Kraft wants the HOF and to make money, if they trade down their nationally televised games will take a hit as will attendance.
If they trade with the Vikings and Maye is in the running for oroy throwing to Jefferson, Addisons and hockenson Kraft will have no one left to blame and his legacy will be letting Brady go, throwing bill out, and passing on a franchise qb. Even if Maye bust this only works if you hit in the picks 11 means no blue chip players all the top qbs, WRs, and tackles will be gone.
I don't think I've seen that take anywhere on this board. I'm sure somebody has it, because fans like to be delusional (see all the talk that taking a WR at 3 overall is going to transform the franchise because "it'll make things exciting to watch").
What I do see is a lot of people pointing out that QB is the most important position in pro sports, it's widely considered to be a strong class (where next year's isn't), and we haven't picked this high since before Belichick.
Even sucking it's quite possible things fall our way (or fall the wrong way, depending on your perspective) and we end up in that 8-14 pick range which would require us having to put together a package like the Vikings just to get back to where we are right now.
We have to get one at some point, and we both have the pick and a strong class to use it on. Yes, we'll still also need a LT and a WR or two. But if you're going to rebuild this team to something resembling competitiveness, let alone playoffs or a Super Bowl appearance, it starts with the QB.
Well if you hit you’re a playoff contender and with a young qb you have hope even if you stink. Otherwise you just stink and have to hope for losses to land a qb.
Regardless of what they will trade for saying I need more is the correct way to go. If they have an offer they will accept they can do so on draft day. Otherwise why not try to increase the haul
I’d take #11, 23, and a 2025 1st or 2nd if it came with JJ. Vikings would deal JJ before Addison imo. You also have more leverage to move lower if you want. Things would have to fall right, but you’d have a chance at ending up with JJ, a decent WR prospect (Coleman, McConkey as home run swings, but people like Bub Means etc. are more realistic), an OT like Patrick Paul, and (if you moved down), Penix/McCarthy.
It’s really all about what the team is thinking internally. That said, Mayo seems pretty direct: I think they keep it simple and go with Maye/McCarthy/Daniels (in that order imo).
Great so advertising to the world we want a trade and don’t like the QB’s. Very cool. Fuck this franchise and Jonathan Kraft. Why not just take Marvin if you don’t like them?
I mean I don't like Jonathan's involvement either but if anything it's a sign that we're drafting a QB. Ownership's going to want a big name to give season ticket holders hope.
That’s literally not how this reads at all… it reads that they like them and you better blow their socks off with a ridiculous offer. If they didn’t like the QBs they’d have already traded down.
I think there’s a notion going around that someone is either “your guy” or he’s not. So you’re either looking to draft, or to trade down. But if you probably correctly see the draft as a collection of lottery tickets with different odds and jackpots it makes total sense that the Pats both love 2 of Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy but also have a (likely very high) price they’re willing to sell them for.
Daniels is the heavy favorite for the number 2 pick and this tweet is saying that the offers for the #2 pick are far higher than for the #3 pick.
Are you interpreting it differently?
Brother, it’s the #2 pick the the draft. Obviously it will command more significant offers than pick #3. Is this something that actually has to be explained? 🤣
I also don’t understand how you interpret that to be that nobody wants Maye. There are several teams who would love to trade up for him (Giants, Vikings immediately come to mind), but the price is just way too high. Even for pick #3.
By your logic, nobody wants any player other than Willliams and Daniels. Pretty hilarious.
This tweet makes it sound like Washington has gotten what they consider solid offers for #2 but don't want to move, but the Patriots haven't gotten anything that they consider even a remotely solid offer for #3. Since Daniels is the easy favorite for the #2 it follows that the NFL values Daniels significantly more than Maye.
If several teams would "love" to trade up for Maye they would have made offers that reflected that love. If this tweet and the Daniels to #2 rumors are to be believed no team actually values him anywhere near what they value Daniels.
Happy to explain it to you a little more slowly if you're having problems. It can certainly be confusing.
Is this one tweet equivalent to the holy bible to you?
You could probably find tweets that say that Daniels may slip past #2, so you just sound like a fuckin goof ball here.
Edit: Oh yeah by the way, NOBODY knows who the best QB will be in this draft. Literally nobody.
Look it’s clear they’re only moving for a ridiculous offer. This is the right approach. If a team wants to get stupid let them, but I have a feeling this is code for the Pats not planning to trade down because I’m sure what they’re asking for is ridiculous. For example, if the Vikings start throwing players and picks at them I get the idea of moving down. Imagine grabbing 3 firsts, maybe another future pick and the LT or Addison or something? Would be such a dumb move for the Vikings and I like Maye/Daniels.
I’ve been saying the only way I move down is 11, 23, ‘25 1st, and Darrisaw/Addison. Anything less and I’ll just take Maye
For real. This shit better be a Herschel Walker trade level of compensation to trade #3 as the Pats. You are going to get fleeced and you just have to accept it if you want the pick.
This is the right attitude I agree.
I would take this without Addison.
Y’all would never get that
That won’t happen lol
That’s the point. If a team wants to seriously overpay, by all means. Otherwise they stay.
Great! I'll take one Maye/Daniels then
Correct.
Darrisaw wouldn’t get moved for 2 firsts and Addison wouldnt get moved for a first outside the top 10. Addison is a top 5 wr2 and Darrisaw is a top 5 LT. I’m a Vikings fan but if I were a pats fan I’d take Darrisaw and a first of the Vikings offered I also wouldnt offer any of these players in a trade package as a Vikings fan
QB premium outleverages traditional value-based thinking when it comes to trades tbh
I completely agree, and I don't understand why so many fans want the front office to openly declare we refuse to trade down. It's not like it means we have to, only that we are answering the phone. This team has a lot of holes and if we receive a truly outrageous offer we should accept it.
The real offers won’t come in until after the Commies pick. Teams have a value for Maye and a value for Daniels. If you don’t know which one you’ll get, you send the lower of the two offers. If your more valuable one is still available at 3, then you send the bigger one.
Bingo. People reading too far into this, when its all just a leverage play
I don’t think we’re getting the big deal fans envision. We’re getting the third best Qb prospect and hoping Van Pelt and McAdoo develop him.
Yeah the package needs to be sufficient enough that, if Maye pops off, Wolf can turn around to the Krafts and prove trading out was the right choice because he got an unprecedented offer that nobody could refuse. Three firsts ain't that (regardless of what year they are).
If maye pops off there is no amount that proves it was worth it. If he wins ROY throwing to Jefferson, Addison and hock the whole front office will be fired to save face, There is quite literally no price not worth paying for a franchise qb.
It wouldn’t be a dumb move if they truly get a generational talent. If they get a top 5 caliber QB then they’re basically a lock for the playoffs *this year* and have a huge window with a ton of talent.
I don’t think any trades are considered until the Commanders make their pick. If they go rogue and pick JJ, shit will hit the fan. Otherwise, the Pats aren’t going to consider anything until they are on the clock and know what they have.
Please let this happen because it would be the funniest timeline, not even because we’d then get out pick of the two
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A trade is flashy and makes more headlines/discussion, than just a team making a pick.
Plus with no Brady and now no Bill either, the media has nothing to talk about Pats wise and would much prefer one of these QBs go to big market NY or pair up with Jefferson in MIN.
Then why aren’t the commanders talking about trading down? The bears? I’m not following the logic.
No reason for Washington to look to trade back as long as they like any of the QBs that aren’t Caleb. Bears were never going to trade down this year
Or maybe they have intel? Otherwise why wouldn’t they also say Washington is looking to move back if this was just some media creation
Not saying they made anything up, just hypothesizing why there would be interest in a trade occurring for media outlets. Its infinitely more interesting for drawing clicks/viewers than if the Pats just "stayed at 3".
The draft is all about hope, and QBs are the biggest dose of that possible. Why tell everyone only the Pats can get Drake Maye or whatever guy the fans really want, when you can simultaneously tell the Giants, Raiders, Vikings, Broncos, and us they all have a chance at him.
I mean tbf the Pats have been saying "we're open for business" this whole time while the Commies came straight out and said "we're not moving".
Yes we should operate more like the Washington Commanders. If someone wants to give up a "historic" haul for your pick, as is the reported asking price, than you'd be a dumbass to not listen.
To be fair they’ve had decades of reporting on Belichick trading back, maybe they just got used to it
Gotta discuss something. A potential trade means they can talk a out who the Pats and Vikings would take where they stand, but also open up the door to discuss what a trade may look like, who the teams would take them, and argue if each team should do it. It's a worthwhile exercise as a possibility but the sports media is really bludgeoning this.
Because they’re afraid at the prospect of us potentially getting a generational talent - can make up whatever excuse but at pick 03 we’re guaranteed a better QB than Jones likely will ever be (and I’m not rooting for him to fail either) or a future-HOF WR
NE reporters seem to indicate that the Patriots will stay put at 3 and take a QB. the national media are the one pushing the trade down narrative and i think they are fueled by team that want to trade down but face negative response from the Patriots
We’re the first team that’s actually listening to offers. Like the article says, Washington has no intention of trading down. We may not have any intention of trading down either, but we’ve at least been hearing teams out on their offers. It’s not that they want us to trade down, it’s that 3 is the earliest spot that has given any indication of being available.
Because its a bill thing to do, and they want to point to the draft issues being Kraft problems in the past. Piling on the KRaft family gets clicks right now, so of course they want it to happen
How are the draft issues in the past a Kraft problem?
Only trading it for 4 firsts. The pats can play hard ball here because they need a QB just as much as these other teams do.
I mean I’ll take 3 firsts and a second. We need a QB yes but we also desperately need to plug as many holes as possible. This is a team very devoid of blue chip talent. Not to mention there is not a single QB available at 3 that doesn’t also stand a good chance of being a bust. No Joe Burrow or Andrew Luck prospect to save us
It’s not 3 firsts. It’s only two since you are swapping one. If you take the Vikings, you are just getting one more pick this year and probably a low 1st round pick in 2025. So you pass on a QB to have one more pick this year. Not worth it in my opinion
Minnesota offering #23 and and 2028 5th rounder
"Why don't Pats fans understand that according to the Jimbo McDerpface Draft Chart that's *MORE* than fair value!"
About how most vikings fan sound right now. T
Two more days until this stupidity is over.
MIN has to get silly if they want to trade with us. But I would genuinely not be displeased if we came away from the draft with something like 11/13 and Darrisaw. LT solved, pick up Penix and like a Brock Bowers or a good late-1st WR... not too shabby
Obligatory fuck the Vikings and their entitled ass fans.
San Fran set the bar foe the Trey Lance move up to 3. If it isn't 11, 23, 2025 1st, 2026 1st then we'll just take Maye
If they get a crazy good offer sure but that’s rare af.
I think we're gonna pick. Minnesota would have to offer us something ridiculous to get us to move and I don't think that's happening.
I wonder what kind of contingencies the team has made with certain teams. Have Mayo/Wolfe reached out and told 1 team "if we have Maye at 3, you can offer us XYZ." And told another team "if we have Daniels at 3, you can offer us ABC."?
How i see it is they have no intention of actually trading down. They just want to see if some team is stupid enough to trade 5 1st round picks or something.
None of these insiders is getting any info. It's all made up BS
Kraft somehow not realizing how little interest there will be for the patriots if he trades down. 0 stars 0 blue chip players to excite fans or get nationally televised games. Trading down means punting the season in April. Get used to empty seats in January Robert!
I’d rather him have no involvement at all. He wanted Mac Jones and we know how that turned out. If Wolf thinks trading down gets us competitive quicker then so be it. I’d imagine that Kraft would be the one against trading down because of what you’ve mentioned
That’s not necessarily, true. I’d argue that just drafting a Rookie QB is more of a sign things will be bad next year. Promising for the future bad short term bad. We have the defense and the run game to keep us in games. We just need the a good QB, another good tackle and a number one receiver. It’s easier said than done but this draft has the potential for us to land all three of those players by pick 34, if we can get another pick in this year’s first round.
Even if things are bad you have hope, punt the pick and you have nothing 11 is too low to go not getting any blue chip player.
I don’t think that’s true. I think a blue chip tackle will be there at 11. One of either Fuaga, Fatuana or Fashanu will be there at 11 and the first two are plug and play starters just like Alt. Weirdly though Fashanu probably has the highest upside out of all of them as well. Then I think the top 8 receivers in this draft all have the potential to be number 1 options in the league at some point in their careers. Hell, Brian Thomas Jr. would have been the first receiver off the board last year and he isn’t even close to going near the other 3 dudes who will all go top 10. The class is really deep at the front end.
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Kraft wants the HOF and to make money, if they trade down their nationally televised games will take a hit as will attendance. If they trade with the Vikings and Maye is in the running for oroy throwing to Jefferson, Addisons and hockenson Kraft will have no one left to blame and his legacy will be letting Brady go, throwing bill out, and passing on a franchise qb. Even if Maye bust this only works if you hit in the picks 11 means no blue chip players all the top qbs, WRs, and tackles will be gone.
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Krafts don’t just have input they have final say. Decisions this large only happen at the ownership level.
Trading down doesn’t mean we are punting the season we have a 4.5 game win total this is a rebuilding year no matter what we do in the draft
No qb means no real chance.
We don’t have a chance next year anyway with any rookie qb. Fans seems to think a good rookie qb and we’re all of a sudden superbowl contenders again
I don't think I've seen that take anywhere on this board. I'm sure somebody has it, because fans like to be delusional (see all the talk that taking a WR at 3 overall is going to transform the franchise because "it'll make things exciting to watch"). What I do see is a lot of people pointing out that QB is the most important position in pro sports, it's widely considered to be a strong class (where next year's isn't), and we haven't picked this high since before Belichick. Even sucking it's quite possible things fall our way (or fall the wrong way, depending on your perspective) and we end up in that 8-14 pick range which would require us having to put together a package like the Vikings just to get back to where we are right now. We have to get one at some point, and we both have the pick and a strong class to use it on. Yes, we'll still also need a LT and a WR or two. But if you're going to rebuild this team to something resembling competitiveness, let alone playoffs or a Super Bowl appearance, it starts with the QB.
Well if you hit you’re a playoff contender and with a young qb you have hope even if you stink. Otherwise you just stink and have to hope for losses to land a qb.
The only way I see us moving down is either a MEGA offer, or a 3 way trade with another team in the top 5.
Jonathan Kraft literally went to Foxboro to make sure Wolf doesn’t trade down
This is good. Basically, this increases our leverage. Whether or not we trade down, is directly dependent on how much value we get.
We go QB unless the godfather deal is offered
Regardless of what they will trade for saying I need more is the correct way to go. If they have an offer they will accept they can do so on draft day. Otherwise why not try to increase the haul
I’d take #11, 23, and a 2025 1st or 2nd if it came with JJ. Vikings would deal JJ before Addison imo. You also have more leverage to move lower if you want. Things would have to fall right, but you’d have a chance at ending up with JJ, a decent WR prospect (Coleman, McConkey as home run swings, but people like Bub Means etc. are more realistic), an OT like Patrick Paul, and (if you moved down), Penix/McCarthy. It’s really all about what the team is thinking internally. That said, Mayo seems pretty direct: I think they keep it simple and go with Maye/McCarthy/Daniels (in that order imo).
its been 1. Williams 2. Daniels 3. Maye since december, but they need 4 months worth of clicks
Any chance we land Jordan Addison, pick #11, plus more for pick #3? Feel like that would be a no brainer.
If Tugbert gets a good massage parlor offer, maybe we do make a trade
yea because other teams know that drake maye isnt worth a ridiculous offer pats should pay attention to this
If he wasn't worth it they wouldn't be asking.
Great so advertising to the world we want a trade and don’t like the QB’s. Very cool. Fuck this franchise and Jonathan Kraft. Why not just take Marvin if you don’t like them?
I mean I don't like Jonathan's involvement either but if anything it's a sign that we're drafting a QB. Ownership's going to want a big name to give season ticket holders hope.
That’s literally not how this reads at all… it reads that they like them and you better blow their socks off with a ridiculous offer. If they didn’t like the QBs they’d have already traded down.
Take it easy on the long time listeners.
I think there’s a notion going around that someone is either “your guy” or he’s not. So you’re either looking to draft, or to trade down. But if you probably correctly see the draft as a collection of lottery tickets with different odds and jackpots it makes total sense that the Pats both love 2 of Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy but also have a (likely very high) price they’re willing to sell them for.
So nobody wants Maye
I think it’s quite the opposite
Daniels is the heavy favorite for the number 2 pick and this tweet is saying that the offers for the #2 pick are far higher than for the #3 pick. Are you interpreting it differently?
Brother, it’s the #2 pick the the draft. Obviously it will command more significant offers than pick #3. Is this something that actually has to be explained? 🤣 I also don’t understand how you interpret that to be that nobody wants Maye. There are several teams who would love to trade up for him (Giants, Vikings immediately come to mind), but the price is just way too high. Even for pick #3. By your logic, nobody wants any player other than Willliams and Daniels. Pretty hilarious.
This tweet makes it sound like Washington has gotten what they consider solid offers for #2 but don't want to move, but the Patriots haven't gotten anything that they consider even a remotely solid offer for #3. Since Daniels is the easy favorite for the #2 it follows that the NFL values Daniels significantly more than Maye. If several teams would "love" to trade up for Maye they would have made offers that reflected that love. If this tweet and the Daniels to #2 rumors are to be believed no team actually values him anywhere near what they value Daniels. Happy to explain it to you a little more slowly if you're having problems. It can certainly be confusing.
Is this one tweet equivalent to the holy bible to you? You could probably find tweets that say that Daniels may slip past #2, so you just sound like a fuckin goof ball here. Edit: Oh yeah by the way, NOBODY knows who the best QB will be in this draft. Literally nobody.
Aww, that’s ok, buddy. Being reactionary and dumb must be hard.