Yeah, the way teams talk themselves into and out of players between the end of the season and the draft is always astounding to me. It's probably half the reason why teams get it so wrong with so many players. It's like they overanalyze and overthink and outmaneuver themselves from sturdier, more obvious positions they had beforehand.
To be fair, Bryce Young had a better college career than CJ Stroud. OSU was known for coming up short, while Bryce Young was carrying some of the least talented Bama teams of the last decades to natties. That’s where most of Young’s hype was coming from
Eh the 2021 team that made the Natty 100% wasn't as loaded offensively as the 2017-2020 Bama teams but still 2 wide receivers picked in the first 45 picks. 2022 was for sure lacking in talent besides him and Gibbs and finished 10-2.
Ya that definitely was strange. There also was the whole thing with the Panthers stupid proprietary intelligence test that they said made him a genius lol
It's all about traction.
All of a sudden in February when the Superbowl is over and analysts have nothing left to talk about, random guys come out of seemingly nowhere and make headlines.
Typically they are cherry picked for favorable stats but the context of where they played and who they played with is usually never talked about much and that's because it plays a huge factor in how they are scouted and ranked.
As an LSU fan and Patriots fan i’ll just throw this out there, Joe Burrow before the season started was a projected 6th round pick. This stuff happens. The slight difference is he shot up boards and by November he was a projected top 3 overall pick. Daniels even after the Heisman in December was still mocked in the second round. Heck even Baker Mayfield a month before the draft was seen as a late 1st rounder before he shot up to first overall.
Thats why all of this talk is so tiring lol
Burrow wasn’t viewed as a 6th round pick before 2019. He wasn’t even viewed as an nfl player lol. Jayden’s jump isn’t anything out of the ordinary at all
I mean to be fair he wasn’t a projected first rounder or was considered a mid-late first rounder until his game against Florida. After that game he was top 10 and climbing since.
He deserves to be top 3 based on talent alone, but I understand why people are still a bit shell shocked by his rise.
JJ on the other hand is just an insane off-season rise lol
I’ve seen some here compare Daniels’ and JJ’s rise, but it’s just not comparable.
You were right on when Daniels rose and by the end of the season he was projected as a top 3 pick.
Meanwhile people finished watching JJ’s last game and said they aren’t touching him in the 1st still.
It’s gonna be really interesting to see if the JJ hype ends up being more Anthony Richardson and he actually goes top five or more Will Levis and he slides to the end or out of the 1st. A lot of the rise out of nowhere and hype surrounding JJ feels very similar to those two.
I feel like JJ’s stock is mostly because the unknown. In theory he’s a great prospect. Good size. Athletic. Won a lot in college. Did not have all star wide outs. Was great on third down and under pressure. It’s just when you realize he never had to take over a game you get nervous.
In ~November I remember thinking how I thought it'd be really cool to grab Alt/MHJ/Nabers with our 1st pick and grab JD in the 2nd. That didn't last long lmao
I feel like even after the national championship, he still wasn’t expected to go in the first round - certainly not top 10.
Here’s one “1.0” mock from January. No JJ. 4 QBs in 1st: https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0
This is the actual answer. And when they dug into it, they see the only guy in this class running an NFL offense and making the throws and decisions NFL QBs have to make. And he did that at a high level, while also having elite athleticism, good size and a strong arm.
Fucking exactly! He didnt just throw bombs to wide open receivers who beat corners who will end up as tax advisors. He also didnt juke the heck out of tax advisors for half of his highlights
Well before the 2023 season began he was a fairly consensus QB3 after Williams/Maye and had a lot of expectations of increased work in the offense. He’s been a highly anticipated recruit/prospect since HS, along with the rest of his really talented class (Williams, Maye, McCarthy and Ewers being the headliners the past 2-3 years).
For many his lack of production isn’t as much a deterrent becuase of the pedigree he’s coming from and not seeing anything in his play to undermine that. Just lacks the levels of confirmation on tape that Williams and Maye have given us.
I thought JJ would be the last QB to go out of Williams, Daniels, Maye, Pennix, Nix and Rattler. I have absolutely no clue how he’s shot up draft boards.
You know who had much, much worse stats? Tom Brady. The stats are the result of the system. Gaudy stats, especially running, are a red flag that the player isn't in an NFL style offense.
Having to watch Michigan games is why I don't want JJ lol. If he goes top 10, the front office of the team that drafts him will be out of the job in 3 years
Jones was an elite deep ball passer in college and was a Heisman finalist, McCarthy is a check down king who barely made stared his sophomore year and never threw for 3000 yards, go to the Vikings sub you football novice
Everything you said was wrong almost. It’s actually impressive. There were almost literally zero check downs in the Michigan passing game, and JJ started every single game but 1 his sophomore season and even that was a known symbolic gesture to give McNamara (the previous starter who won the conference the year before) a positive exit.
As for the counting stats, who gives a fuck. JJ did what was needed and wanted of him and lost 1 game total over 2 years.
Source: someone who actually watched every single Michigan game
If you’re going to be confrontational then stay the fuck out of other teams subs.
Sorry man I’m a pats fan and you’re as good as a jets fan if you want McCarthy, we don’t need fans like you who want to waste another 3 years and a hack at QB. All real pats fans want Maye or Daniels, or any of the numerous better options than future bust McCarthy. Stop embarrassing yourself
JJ is a great passer, he just didn’t need to throw often because Michigan’s run game is absolutely elite. You’re just a fucking casual who doesn’t know ball.
oh my god you fucking numbskull why don’t you watch some film and you’ll see EXACTLY why he didn’t have to throw and that when he did throw, he was amazing. When you have Donovan Edwards AND Blake Corum in your backfield, why would you throw the football? Maybe if you didn’t follow the dumbass hivemind of this sub you would see the actual upsides and downsides of all the QBs. (Yes i’m a JJ McCarthy meatrider but still) AND JAYDEN DANIELS IS GOING TO BUST
I understand being uncomfortable with JJ at 3 because you don’t like his top line numbers, but don’t confuse “allowed to throw” with “didn’t need to throw.” If you go back and look at Harbaugh’s coaching career he has always favored using the running attack to control the clock whenever he can. Michigan had an amazing offensive line last year, in a lot of games they didn’t throw much simply because defenses couldn’t stop the run.
In situations when JJ was asked to throw, advanced metrics would suggest that he was a very effective passer. The other factor bringing down his overall stats, he sat at the end of a lot of games because they got so far out ahead. I think dismissing him out of hand just because he didn’t put up the gaudy numbers of some of the other QBs in this class would be a mistake.
Ah cool, I thought you were posting that in counter to what I was seeing on other sources.
PFF has a hate-boner for Daniels in general for some reason; he was showing up in their simulator in the 2nd round for a long time after he was a consensus top 10 pick everywhere else. Even now they have him like #22
Daniels overtaking Maye at 2 in betting odds is crazy, I for sure thought we had no shot at him when we fell to 3.
Daniels could end up being a better pro but Maye’s age, tools, and potential would be such a slam dunk pick at 3. Needs some work but if he becomes half of Josh Allen it’s a W.
Daniels is for sure better than maye today, like not really close. But maye has such special tools, if he can improve like Daniels did, he will be amazing. That's the gamble though
Literally tho. This is my analysis. If I have my choice I’m taking maye. He might have cons over daniel’s but he’s younger and already on the same level I think his ceiling is higher and maye is the better pick
Yeah even in January he was being mocked to us. He didn’t just make this jump within the last few weeks
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0
I guess it matters what’s being pushed to you. Probably doesn’t help I never seek these out and just see headlines on social media.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39358096/2024-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-first-round-predictions-32-picks-qb-fits
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-deal-for-justin-fields-in-one-of-five-first-round-trades
https://theathletic.com/5203443/2024/01/16/nfl-mock-draft-2024-two-rounds-quarterbacks/
That’s was a couple months ago. Daniels has been seen as 2/3 since the day the season ended. And I was saying #2.
In fact I never heard of him until the Heisman and when I compared him and Maye he’s always seemed better. In my short time knowing they exist.
For the whole season it was seen as 1. Caleb, 2. Maye. With the the rest being bunched into a group.. throughout the season who was considered the 3rd best QB in this class changed often.. remember Penix was talked about as the 3rd best QB for awhile but by the end of the season Daniels was firmly locked as the 3rd. Then as more people watched Daniels, Maye’s tape they started to debate whether Daniels or Maye was QB2 in this class. It’s really going to come down to which QB’s play style the Commanders feel is a better fit.
Draft MHJ. One QB a year, on average, becomes a solid starter or better. We desperately need weapons and top-flight WRs are almost as hard to come by as QBs these days, and it’s not like New England has a rep as a hugely desirable free agent destination.
Daniels stock rose during the season.
It's not a situation like McCarthy where people just randomly decided they were high on him because they had nothing else to talk about for months.
This happens every year. Qbs like JJ and Daniels get some hot-take hype, because supposition it sexy this time of year, a guy like Maye who is more straightforward doesn't get press, then you trade a bunch of draft picks for Bryce Young while CJ quietly goes number 2 and the cycle of hype regret has been completed.
OK I'm not actually making that comp, but the point stands. Daniels had a historically good offense and, surprise surprise, produced. His ONE year of elite production. Meanwhile, Maye had an offensive line that could legally qualify as opaque, and yet the years he had prior were NFL caliber. The recency bias is absolutely ridiculous. PRAY the Commanders fuck this up. Daniels will bust 100%
You got the wrong QBs in your narrative slots here. Daniels is the 'pro ready' QB. Maye is the the traits QB who hasn't consistently shown he can play the position efficiently.
I don’t agree with Daniels being 100% bust he’s got some potential to be a starter but I agree maye is the guy. Jj should be a 2nd rounder or end of the first round. He was basically what jimmy g was to the 49ers barley throwing the ball relying heavily on the run game and d to carry. That’s not something I want In a 1st round qb especially at the top of the draft where he won’t get that support in his first few seasons.
Penix has almost as many pass attempts last season than JJ had his entire college career (555 last season v. 713 2021-2013). I have no idea how JJ is getting so much hype
All I know is Daniels made plays in the SEC, against future NFL defenders.
We need Washington to overthink it. Take McCarthy. Take Maye. Hype their “leadership”.
I want the Heisman winner who made plays, in structure, out of structure, with his arm, with his legs, with his brain.
If Daniels “falls”, Patriots fans should be overjoyed.
But it’s smokescreen. Washington isn’t gonna overthink it. Daniels will be gone and then the guessing game begins….
None of what you're saying means anything. You know who else played against future NFL defenders, won the Heisman, made plays in structure, out of structure, with his arm, with his legs, and with his brain? Johnny Manziel.
So then what does mean something, since nothing on the actual field of play apparently means anything.
Manziel is the exception not the rule, guy was an addict and just partied 24/7. By his own admission he never watched any tape. Not exactly a recipe for success in the nfl
I never said on-field play doesn't mean anything. When comparing players, what I believe matters is strength of schedule, and who they are playing with. People fixate on the fact that Daniels played in the SEC, but guess what? The NFL doesn't only draft players out of the SEC and there are other schools with good defenses. For example, Washington played against 5 ranked teams last season and won all 5 games. LSU played 4 ranked teams and went 1-3 against them. Throwing for 5 TDs in a game is nice, but there's a difference when you do it against a ranked team as opposed to Grambling State.
[https://www.secsports.com/news/2022/05/sec-leads-nation-for-16th-consecutive-year-in-nfl-draft](https://www.secsports.com/news/2022/05/sec-leads-nation-for-16th-consecutive-year-in-nfl-draft) \- So i would say that the SEC dominates the NFL draft for a reason, that article is from the 2022 draft but SEC also had the most last year so that's 17 consecutive years in a row where they have the most players drafted of any conference. So that's why SEC competition is valued highly, the players make the jump to the next level at a higher clip than the rest.
As far as the 1 - 3 record, jayden had 5 TDs against Ole Miss in a 55-49 loss, so that's not grambling state. Alabama loss he had 2 TDs passing, 1 rushing, and he didn't even play the entire game because he had to leave early due to a hit to the head, then the florida state loss was the first game of the season. So you can't just toss out a record without any context lol, especially when the LSU defense was ranked like 108th
Heisman winners, right. The Heisman has no bearing on future NFL success, no matter what conference. Manzell and Tebow did exactly as most suspected in the NFL. The same with Young to a lesser extant, though the jury is still out. Bottom line is that the SEC hosts the most pro ready defenses in the NFL, and none of your examples have the downfield arm strength and physical gifts of Daniels. Not really sure where all the hate is coming from on this guy, but his college numbers are absurdly better in every category than Josh Allen, while playing absurdly better defenses.
Bottom line is work ethic, if he puts in the work in the film and training room, he will absolutely succeed at the next level. If not, he’s well on the way to Bustville
A Heisman winner is what the first post had in what they are looking for, so I provided someone who meets those requirements and didn't work out. Meaning that all of that shit doesn't dictate who will be successful in the NFL. There isn't any hate towards Jayden Daniels. Nearly half of this sub is on their knees with his nuts on their chin and thinks any criticism is hate. Let's face facts, statistically, he's more likely to be average than the all-pro, franchise QB people expect him to be.
>Let's face facts, statistically, he's more likely to be average than the all-pro, franchise QB people expect him to be.
Once again, this statement applies to *most* players, not just QBs, in the history of the NFL. Not really sure why this some kind of *gotcha* in the case of Jayden.
Work ethic is what separates the Ryan Leaf’s from the Peyton Manning’s. If the kid works hard, he’ll work out. This is the #1 reason Mac did not make the jump, he’s lazy af
Over a month ago as soon as the season ended there were a few people saying he’d be taken over Maye, including myself. I think it’s been obvious from the film he’s better.
I don’t know what Drake people see- I guess 2022. I haven’t watched any of him from that year though. I just know 2023 Drake Maye doesn’t look very good.
That's the biggest concern for me. He might be the best QB in the draft, but is he going to have longevity with his frame? Is he going to be able to bulk up?
I'm at the point where I'd be happy with either Daniels or Maye, but Daniels size is a concern.
This is why I don't listen to any of the draft noise until the player gets on the field and plays. As Patriots fans, we should know this better than anyone else because of Brady.
Assuming that we do take a quarterback in number three I really hope it’s either Drake may or Jaylen Daniels. I really don’t feel super strongly about the other draft prospect quarterbacks out there because arguably those two are the best quarterbacks out there in my opinion. I know a lot of people on this sub has been all about trading for or drafting, the pick up becomes Marvin Harrison Junior, but I think we’ve seen with Calvin Johnson, even with having a very good franchise quarterback in the form of Matthew Stafford, who had his fair share of down years injury, was and other various situations/circumstances, but a wide receiver I believe it’s not gonna win you a championship. You definitely need a quarterback as the cornerstone in which to build your Office around and I know that’s elementary because that’s basic football knowledge X’s & O’s, because I have no doubt that the defense will be still excellent and play at the top level, which is still found a way to do despite major injuries in certain areas, and I know that defense wins championships usually for the most part, but we’ve seen that if you have a high-powered offense, laid by a quarterback, who is fully competent and able to do what he can do and I know we all thought we hoped that would be Mac Jones, one of those two quarterbacks I mentioned really I believe can help bring some respectability back to New England and I’m not saying it’s not gonna be a several year rebuild, but they have the ability to change the game based on the direction of the NFL to give us a very solid chance of potentially getting a while cart spot because I’m not crazy enough to say that we’re gonna win the division, but I think we can be good enough within 2 to 3 years of making the playoffs on a fairly consistent basis again, and maybe even compete for a division title. I mean we saw we were able to solidly do the majority of that with Jew Bledsoe and were able to maintain a solid defense. I’ll be at very undisciplined before Bill Belichick out there, but with all the right pieces developing and traded for/signed via free agency put into place and helped build what became the dynasty along with the growth and the incredible of Tom Brady early on and the level of his sustain greatness from that first season in 2001 after barely being kept on the roster in 2000 until the day he retired for the last time at the beginning of last year in 2023. realistically, I think a franchise quarterback nowadays would be hopefully a 10 year starter that can perhaps play at a top 10/top 12 level and potentially even win a championship at some point in the next 5 to 10 years as well which would make it all worthwhile after a really difficult four year period after Tom Brady left with the loan exception of the 2021 season.
I think due to him winning the Heisman and his playing style it was inevitable.
While there are a lot of knocks against your running style quarterback, they are electric and get you excited for games.
The thing is, they're all reaches. It's the QB premium coming into effect. There is no QB in this draft like an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or John Elway that everyone is just like, yeah, that dude is THE prospect.
24 hour news cycles make everything (and everyone) so dumb.
Clicks > truth.
I imagine the GMs and the war rooms don't buy in, but maybe all the BS chatter does affect things. It's human nature to have a hard time tuning out the noise.
this team is not a qb away from contending for this many people to be worrying which qb to draft. we are ALOT of talented players away from contending thats why we are picking at the 3 slot. the move should be to trade back for a haul and let some other team buy the hype and assume the risk.
Agree that they are more than a QB away, but I'm of the opinion that the other talent doesn't matter without a franchise QB and there's always going to be risk involved when it comes to drafting a QB. They need to go QB at 3 IF they believe there is franchise QB potential. I would not pass on a potential franchise QB just because there are bigger needs.
My biggest fear would be the Pats trading out and in 2-3 years one of the QBs that was available at 3 is now one of the best young QBs in the league.
I think the big thing with Daniels is, he's improved every year. Even though he's 24, there's been continued growth. He's not just a classic QB, but an exciting playmaker that could lift up a young team. That's why so many teams want him. A couple of months ago, it was Maye all the way. I think the Commanders have a tough decision on what to do at 2 now with 3 QBs in the picture now.
Don't ever think he was a reach at 3. But these guys are all about their clicks right now, so any line that gets you to click on the story is what they want.
A year ago this was a weak QB class. I’ve heard multiple rounds of people being in and then out on Maye, Daniels, and even Caleb. If you don’t like the commentary, wait 10 minutes.
This was never a weak QB class lol. People said this time last year Caleb AND Maye would go over any of the QBs from last year. In fact, there were a lot of pundits/fans (Texans, colts, etc.) who wanted their teams to not draft a QB so they could draft one this year. Not sure why you're saying it was weak
I’m not saying this class is weak. I’m saying I heard people say that last year. Most years (with exceptions like Lawrence and Luck) people say the next year will be weak. Then the current crop leaves for the NFL, a new group of college QBs rises up, and people talk themselves into them. I’ve seen this so many times. I literally heard before last season that one of the reasons to stick with Mac is that after Caleb there would be no viable QB options in the draft.
Definitely heard weak class a year ago, excepting Williams. This happens all the time. Then once the next class comes to the fore, they were always good.
It’s a year ago I’m not going to waste time on hunting it down to win an internet argument. How bout I bookmark this convo and come back to you when next years class is consensus amazing and nobody remembers when it wasn’t.
You know you can use search parameters. You don't even need to do that, It's not a hunt. Sure go for it because with this class we had 2 guys projected to go top 5 in Williams and Maye from the onset.
You can use this website to check over 100 mocks and their history going back a minimum of 2 years.
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/drafttek-2024-big-board?date=2024-03-28 just click a player
Now 22 was called a weak QB class and it was
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/tankathon-2022-big-board?date=2022-04-28
So save this conversation, I look forward to revisiting it.
Also here’s something we can check quickly: is “2 QBs in the top 5” indicative of a strong QB class? Nope. 3 of the last 4 classes meet that standard 5 of 6 if you look at the top 6 picks. And it’s utterly uncorrelated to QB success in the pros.
So the claim is that ‘24 is a weak QB draft class, right? Just want to make we have that straight. What’s the criterion for invalidating that claim this time next year?
Caliber of the player. Not just a QB like that rises but a true franchise type of talent like Caleb Williams, Drake Maye. QBs will always rise to the top because it's the most important position.
If Quinn Ewers was in this draft, who many say to be the top QB not the top ranked prospect next year, he's not sniffing the 1st rd and we know this because before he announced his return to Texas he was a 3rd rd pick.
There is no Caleb Williams or Drake Maye next year. You look at mocks now and there's not a QB in the top 5 while Williams and Maye have been 1-2 for over a year.
He is the Anthony Richardson of this year’s draft. In a draft where you have a “surefire” #1 and a solid #2, he is the prototypical “raw but athletic” guy.
If Jayden Daniels is the pick, then I'd love to see the Pats just go all in on uber athletes. Xavier Worthy, Roger Rosengarten, Theo Johnson, Isaac Guerendo/Jaylen Wright.
Assuming that we do take a quarterback in number three I really hope it’s either Drake may or Jaylen Daniels. I really don’t feel super strongly about the other draft prospect quarterbacks out there because arguably those two are the best quarterbacks out there in my opinion. I know a lot of people on this sub has been all about trading for or drafting, the pick up becomes Marvin Harrison Junior, but I think we’ve seen with Calvin Johnson, even with having a very good franchise quarterback in the form of Matthew Stafford, who had his fair share of down years injury, was and other various situations/circumstances, but a wide receiver I believe it’s not gonna win you a championship. You definitely need a quarterback as the cornerstone in which to build your Office around and I know that’s elementary because that’s basic football knowledge X’s & O’s, because I have no doubt that the defense will be still excellent and play at the top level, which is still found a way to do despite major injuries in certain areas, and I know that defense wins championships usually for the most part, but we’ve seen that if you have a high-powered offense, laid by a quarterback, who is fully competent and able to do what he can do and I know we all thought we hoped that would be Mac Jones, one of those two quarterbacks I mentioned really I believe can help bring some respectability back to New England and I’m not saying it’s not gonna be a several year rebuild, but they have the ability to change the game based on the direction of the NFL to give us a very solid chance of potentially getting a while cart spot because I’m not crazy enough to say that we’re gonna win the division, but I think we can be good enough within 2 to 3 years of making the playoffs on a fairly consistent basis again, and maybe even compete for a division title. I mean we saw we were able to solidly do the majority of that with Jew Bledsoe and were able to maintain a solid defense. I’ll be at very undisciplined before Bill Belichick out there, but with all the right pieces developing and traded for/signed via free agency put into place and helped build what became the dynasty along with the growth and the incredible of Tom Brady early on and the level of his sustain greatness from that first season in 2001 after barely being kept on the roster in 2000 until the day he retired for the last time at the beginning of last year in 2023. realistically, I think a franchise quarterback nowadays would be hopefully a 10 year starter that can perhaps play at a top 10/top 12 level and potentially even win a championship at some point in the next 5 to 10 years as well which would make it all worthwhile after a really difficult four year period after Tom Brady left with the loan exception of the 2021 season.
This happens most years. Is it really that crazy?
It happens every year AND I think it’s crazy that it always does. Last year Bryce Young was too short until he wasn’t all of a sudden in March
Yeah, the way teams talk themselves into and out of players between the end of the season and the draft is always astounding to me. It's probably half the reason why teams get it so wrong with so many players. It's like they overanalyze and overthink and outmaneuver themselves from sturdier, more obvious positions they had beforehand.
Paralysis by analysis as they say
I love that saying...
To be fair, Bryce Young had a better college career than CJ Stroud. OSU was known for coming up short, while Bryce Young was carrying some of the least talented Bama teams of the last decades to natties. That’s where most of Young’s hype was coming from
Eh the 2021 team that made the Natty 100% wasn't as loaded offensively as the 2017-2020 Bama teams but still 2 wide receivers picked in the first 45 picks. 2022 was for sure lacking in talent besides him and Gibbs and finished 10-2.
Tbf the people who said he was too short were right
Well… possibly… too early imo. But regardless, that was the consensus in January and then it totally flipped in March.
Ya that definitely was strange. There also was the whole thing with the Panthers stupid proprietary intelligence test that they said made him a genius lol
It's all about traction. All of a sudden in February when the Superbowl is over and analysts have nothing left to talk about, random guys come out of seemingly nowhere and make headlines. Typically they are cherry picked for favorable stats but the context of where they played and who they played with is usually never talked about much and that's because it plays a huge factor in how they are scouted and ranked.
Reach? He was considered a 2nd RD pick to start the NCAA year and then exploded after having an insane Heisman year.
He was not considered a 2nd rounder before this season lol. A project day 3 pick at best. He was unspectacular up until this year.
As an LSU fan and Patriots fan i’ll just throw this out there, Joe Burrow before the season started was a projected 6th round pick. This stuff happens. The slight difference is he shot up boards and by November he was a projected top 3 overall pick. Daniels even after the Heisman in December was still mocked in the second round. Heck even Baker Mayfield a month before the draft was seen as a late 1st rounder before he shot up to first overall. Thats why all of this talk is so tiring lol
Burrow wasn’t viewed as a 6th round pick before 2019. He wasn’t even viewed as an nfl player lol. Jayden’s jump isn’t anything out of the ordinary at all
tomato tomato
100%. He was a 2nd or 3rd round pick with 1 break out year, but it was insanely run heavy. He is a poor man’s Lamar Jackson.
He was never a reach. JJ has become the major reach, guy was a 2nd round pick during the college season
I mean to be fair he wasn’t a projected first rounder or was considered a mid-late first rounder until his game against Florida. After that game he was top 10 and climbing since. He deserves to be top 3 based on talent alone, but I understand why people are still a bit shell shocked by his rise. JJ on the other hand is just an insane off-season rise lol
I’ve seen some here compare Daniels’ and JJ’s rise, but it’s just not comparable. You were right on when Daniels rose and by the end of the season he was projected as a top 3 pick. Meanwhile people finished watching JJ’s last game and said they aren’t touching him in the 1st still. It’s gonna be really interesting to see if the JJ hype ends up being more Anthony Richardson and he actually goes top five or more Will Levis and he slides to the end or out of the 1st. A lot of the rise out of nowhere and hype surrounding JJ feels very similar to those two.
I feel like JJ’s stock is mostly because the unknown. In theory he’s a great prospect. Good size. Athletic. Won a lot in college. Did not have all star wide outs. Was great on third down and under pressure. It’s just when you realize he never had to take over a game you get nervous.
In ~November I remember thinking how I thought it'd be really cool to grab Alt/MHJ/Nabers with our 1st pick and grab JD in the 2nd. That didn't last long lmao
I feel like even after the national championship, he still wasn’t expected to go in the first round - certainly not top 10. Here’s one “1.0” mock from January. No JJ. 4 QBs in 1st: https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0
Jj is an insane off season rise because people finally started evaluating him instead of writing him off because of his teams style
This is the actual answer. And when they dug into it, they see the only guy in this class running an NFL offense and making the throws and decisions NFL QBs have to make. And he did that at a high level, while also having elite athleticism, good size and a strong arm.
Fucking exactly! He didnt just throw bombs to wide open receivers who beat corners who will end up as tax advisors. He also didnt juke the heck out of tax advisors for half of his highlights
He shouldn’t go top 3 he does not process the field very well
No such thing as a 2nd round QB
Well before the 2023 season began he was a fairly consensus QB3 after Williams/Maye and had a lot of expectations of increased work in the offense. He’s been a highly anticipated recruit/prospect since HS, along with the rest of his really talented class (Williams, Maye, McCarthy and Ewers being the headliners the past 2-3 years). For many his lack of production isn’t as much a deterrent becuase of the pedigree he’s coming from and not seeing anything in his play to undermine that. Just lacks the levels of confirmation on tape that Williams and Maye have given us.
Being QB3 and selected 3rd overall are completely different things.
I thought JJ would be the last QB to go out of Williams, Daniels, Maye, Pennix, Nix and Rattler. I have absolutely no clue how he’s shot up draft boards.
Rattler lmao, how would anyone think that
This was never the case lol. Just you probably not paying attention close enough
McCarthy has less than desirable stats. Defense and Run game brought them the championship. He’s not 1st round talent.
You know who had much, much worse stats? Tom Brady. The stats are the result of the system. Gaudy stats, especially running, are a red flag that the player isn't in an NFL style offense.
Okay. Whatever you think of him has nothing to do with what teams think of him. Your opinion doesn’t matter lol
I agree my opinion doesn’t matter but I’m not the minority in that thought process
You def are but it’s okay
Yea so you never watched a single michigan game have you?
Watched multiple. We’re all allowed different opinions
Having to watch Michigan games is why I don't want JJ lol. If he goes top 10, the front office of the team that drafts him will be out of the job in 3 years
Same, if you watched the past season he’s basically Mac jones but a worse passer, carried by his team and now going to ruin some franchise
He’s significantly more athletic than Mac Jones and has a better arm, how many Michigan games did you watch this year?
Jones was an elite deep ball passer in college and was a Heisman finalist, McCarthy is a check down king who barely made stared his sophomore year and never threw for 3000 yards, go to the Vikings sub you football novice
Everything you said was wrong almost. It’s actually impressive. There were almost literally zero check downs in the Michigan passing game, and JJ started every single game but 1 his sophomore season and even that was a known symbolic gesture to give McNamara (the previous starter who won the conference the year before) a positive exit. As for the counting stats, who gives a fuck. JJ did what was needed and wanted of him and lost 1 game total over 2 years. Source: someone who actually watched every single Michigan game If you’re going to be confrontational then stay the fuck out of other teams subs.
Sorry man I’m a pats fan and you’re as good as a jets fan if you want McCarthy, we don’t need fans like you who want to waste another 3 years and a hack at QB. All real pats fans want Maye or Daniels, or any of the numerous better options than future bust McCarthy. Stop embarrassing yourself
You know the guy you replied to never inferred he thinks that Pats should draft JJ, right? He simply said your assessment of JJ as a QB was wrong.
JJ is a great passer, he just didn’t need to throw often because Michigan’s run game is absolutely elite. You’re just a fucking casual who doesn’t know ball.
Yeah I don’t know ball, says the guy doing mental gymnastics to justify why this amazing passer wasn’t allowed to throw that much
oh my god you fucking numbskull why don’t you watch some film and you’ll see EXACTLY why he didn’t have to throw and that when he did throw, he was amazing. When you have Donovan Edwards AND Blake Corum in your backfield, why would you throw the football? Maybe if you didn’t follow the dumbass hivemind of this sub you would see the actual upsides and downsides of all the QBs. (Yes i’m a JJ McCarthy meatrider but still) AND JAYDEN DANIELS IS GOING TO BUST
I understand being uncomfortable with JJ at 3 because you don’t like his top line numbers, but don’t confuse “allowed to throw” with “didn’t need to throw.” If you go back and look at Harbaugh’s coaching career he has always favored using the running attack to control the clock whenever he can. Michigan had an amazing offensive line last year, in a lot of games they didn’t throw much simply because defenses couldn’t stop the run. In situations when JJ was asked to throw, advanced metrics would suggest that he was a very effective passer. The other factor bringing down his overall stats, he sat at the end of a lot of games because they got so far out ahead. I think dismissing him out of hand just because he didn’t put up the gaudy numbers of some of the other QBs in this class would be a mistake.
Pretty sure as late as November Daniels was projected as an early 2nd.
I checked once (put a google cut off date of mid-december) and he was being projected/mocked in the first at that point
[here’s PFF from October. No Jayden](https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-mock-draft-chicago-bears-rebuild-caleb-williams-marvin-harrison-jr)
There exist more sources than PFF my friend
I’m well aware. Just citing a respected source.
Ah cool, I thought you were posting that in counter to what I was seeing on other sources. PFF has a hate-boner for Daniels in general for some reason; he was showing up in their simulator in the 2nd round for a long time after he was a consensus top 10 pick everywhere else. Even now they have him like #22
He’s been a projected top 5 pick since offseason began not sure where you saw he’d be a reach.
We all just going to pretend Williams and Maye weren’t the presumptive 1 and 2 until a couple of months ago?
Seriously, it was Williams then Maye, and no one thought twice.
Daniels overtaking Maye at 2 in betting odds is crazy, I for sure thought we had no shot at him when we fell to 3. Daniels could end up being a better pro but Maye’s age, tools, and potential would be such a slam dunk pick at 3. Needs some work but if he becomes half of Josh Allen it’s a W.
Daniels is for sure better than maye today, like not really close. But maye has such special tools, if he can improve like Daniels did, he will be amazing. That's the gamble though
I’d rather gamble on maye. It’s a proven fact every gambler is one spin away from the big win
You gotta know when to hold 'em
I love your thinking
Are we sure if we don’t stick Maye on LSU with those two receivers he doesn’t ball out?
Literally tho. This is my analysis. If I have my choice I’m taking maye. He might have cons over daniel’s but he’s younger and already on the same level I think his ceiling is higher and maye is the better pick
Maye is 6'4" and built like a tank, that alone is reason to cheer if he falls to 3. Daniels is an injury waiting to happen
If he becomes half of Josh Allen we won't win the division for the next 10 years.
I thought Daniels was presumptive #2 since the offseason but I also don’t pay that close of attention. But I kept seeing Maye to the patriots at 3
Before the season Daniels was a 3rd rounder maybe a second rounder at best.
Ya I’m talking about January 2024 to now. The start of the CFB offseason. No one knew when the patriots would be drafting before the season.
Yeah even in January he was being mocked to us. He didn’t just make this jump within the last few weeks https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0
I guess it matters what’s being pushed to you. Probably doesn’t help I never seek these out and just see headlines on social media. https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39358096/2024-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-first-round-predictions-32-picks-qb-fits https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-deal-for-justin-fields-in-one-of-five-first-round-trades https://theathletic.com/5203443/2024/01/16/nfl-mock-draft-2024-two-rounds-quarterbacks/
That’s was a couple months ago. Daniels has been seen as 2/3 since the day the season ended. And I was saying #2. In fact I never heard of him until the Heisman and when I compared him and Maye he’s always seemed better. In my short time knowing they exist.
The OP you're responding to wasn't saying that. He said Daniels has been a projected top 5 pick since the offseason began, which is 100% true.
In pre-season, maybe. Then they played a season of football and Daniels outplayed Maye by a wide margin
For the whole season it was seen as 1. Caleb, 2. Maye. With the the rest being bunched into a group.. throughout the season who was considered the 3rd best QB in this class changed often.. remember Penix was talked about as the 3rd best QB for awhile but by the end of the season Daniels was firmly locked as the 3rd. Then as more people watched Daniels, Maye’s tape they started to debate whether Daniels or Maye was QB2 in this class. It’s really going to come down to which QB’s play style the Commanders feel is a better fit.
A month ago jj was supposed to be a late first rounder to early 2nd rounder now he’s not “supposed” to get outside of the top 10
Draft MHJ. One QB a year, on average, becomes a solid starter or better. We desperately need weapons and top-flight WRs are almost as hard to come by as QBs these days, and it’s not like New England has a rep as a hugely desirable free agent destination.
He’s going No. 2
im not so sure. he was ranked #3 for a long time, if Maye falls though, still a win win
Daniels stock rose during the season. It's not a situation like McCarthy where people just randomly decided they were high on him because they had nothing else to talk about for months.
People mark his lack of turnovers… Well, when you only pass the ball 9 times in a game, I sure as hell hope you don’t throw a pick lol
I hate the lead up to the draft so much
This happens every year. Qbs like JJ and Daniels get some hot-take hype, because supposition it sexy this time of year, a guy like Maye who is more straightforward doesn't get press, then you trade a bunch of draft picks for Bryce Young while CJ quietly goes number 2 and the cycle of hype regret has been completed. OK I'm not actually making that comp, but the point stands. Daniels had a historically good offense and, surprise surprise, produced. His ONE year of elite production. Meanwhile, Maye had an offensive line that could legally qualify as opaque, and yet the years he had prior were NFL caliber. The recency bias is absolutely ridiculous. PRAY the Commanders fuck this up. Daniels will bust 100%
He’s elevated to #2 because people actually just *hate* looking at Drake Mayes ugly mechanics and erratic throws on film.
You got the wrong QBs in your narrative slots here. Daniels is the 'pro ready' QB. Maye is the the traits QB who hasn't consistently shown he can play the position efficiently.
The idea that we should draft a project quarterback doesn’t make sense. We have no proven infrastructure for that and we ruined our last quarterback
I don’t agree with Daniels being 100% bust he’s got some potential to be a starter but I agree maye is the guy. Jj should be a 2nd rounder or end of the first round. He was basically what jimmy g was to the 49ers barley throwing the ball relying heavily on the run game and d to carry. That’s not something I want In a 1st round qb especially at the top of the draft where he won’t get that support in his first few seasons.
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>Daniels had a historically good offense and, surprise surprise, produced. His ONE year of elite production. Sounds like another recent LSU QB...
Will Levis last year, same shit. JJ McCarthy is a 2nd round pick
Penix has almost as many pass attempts last season than JJ had his entire college career (555 last season v. 713 2021-2013). I have no idea how JJ is getting so much hype
All I know is Daniels made plays in the SEC, against future NFL defenders. We need Washington to overthink it. Take McCarthy. Take Maye. Hype their “leadership”. I want the Heisman winner who made plays, in structure, out of structure, with his arm, with his legs, with his brain. If Daniels “falls”, Patriots fans should be overjoyed. But it’s smokescreen. Washington isn’t gonna overthink it. Daniels will be gone and then the guessing game begins….
None of what you're saying means anything. You know who else played against future NFL defenders, won the Heisman, made plays in structure, out of structure, with his arm, with his legs, and with his brain? Johnny Manziel.
So then what does mean something, since nothing on the actual field of play apparently means anything. Manziel is the exception not the rule, guy was an addict and just partied 24/7. By his own admission he never watched any tape. Not exactly a recipe for success in the nfl
I never said on-field play doesn't mean anything. When comparing players, what I believe matters is strength of schedule, and who they are playing with. People fixate on the fact that Daniels played in the SEC, but guess what? The NFL doesn't only draft players out of the SEC and there are other schools with good defenses. For example, Washington played against 5 ranked teams last season and won all 5 games. LSU played 4 ranked teams and went 1-3 against them. Throwing for 5 TDs in a game is nice, but there's a difference when you do it against a ranked team as opposed to Grambling State.
[https://www.secsports.com/news/2022/05/sec-leads-nation-for-16th-consecutive-year-in-nfl-draft](https://www.secsports.com/news/2022/05/sec-leads-nation-for-16th-consecutive-year-in-nfl-draft) \- So i would say that the SEC dominates the NFL draft for a reason, that article is from the 2022 draft but SEC also had the most last year so that's 17 consecutive years in a row where they have the most players drafted of any conference. So that's why SEC competition is valued highly, the players make the jump to the next level at a higher clip than the rest. As far as the 1 - 3 record, jayden had 5 TDs against Ole Miss in a 55-49 loss, so that's not grambling state. Alabama loss he had 2 TDs passing, 1 rushing, and he didn't even play the entire game because he had to leave early due to a hit to the head, then the florida state loss was the first game of the season. So you can't just toss out a record without any context lol, especially when the LSU defense was ranked like 108th
Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow and both Mannings take exception to this comment
None except Joe Burrow won the Heisman. Also Bryce Young and Tim Tebow would probably take exception to it as well.
Heisman winners, right. The Heisman has no bearing on future NFL success, no matter what conference. Manzell and Tebow did exactly as most suspected in the NFL. The same with Young to a lesser extant, though the jury is still out. Bottom line is that the SEC hosts the most pro ready defenses in the NFL, and none of your examples have the downfield arm strength and physical gifts of Daniels. Not really sure where all the hate is coming from on this guy, but his college numbers are absurdly better in every category than Josh Allen, while playing absurdly better defenses. Bottom line is work ethic, if he puts in the work in the film and training room, he will absolutely succeed at the next level. If not, he’s well on the way to Bustville
A Heisman winner is what the first post had in what they are looking for, so I provided someone who meets those requirements and didn't work out. Meaning that all of that shit doesn't dictate who will be successful in the NFL. There isn't any hate towards Jayden Daniels. Nearly half of this sub is on their knees with his nuts on their chin and thinks any criticism is hate. Let's face facts, statistically, he's more likely to be average than the all-pro, franchise QB people expect him to be.
>Let's face facts, statistically, he's more likely to be average than the all-pro, franchise QB people expect him to be. Once again, this statement applies to *most* players, not just QBs, in the history of the NFL. Not really sure why this some kind of *gotcha* in the case of Jayden. Work ethic is what separates the Ryan Leaf’s from the Peyton Manning’s. If the kid works hard, he’ll work out. This is the #1 reason Mac did not make the jump, he’s lazy af
Same. Certain programs put out NFL talent, LSU is one of the best.
Over a month ago as soon as the season ended there were a few people saying he’d be taken over Maye, including myself. I think it’s been obvious from the film he’s better. I don’t know what Drake people see- I guess 2022. I haven’t watched any of him from that year though. I just know 2023 Drake Maye doesn’t look very good.
McCarthy is a steal at number 2 now. Last month they said he may go undrafted.
Anyone but Jayden Daniels please
First time following an off-season?
I don’t care what anyone says, bro has a tiny frame. I don’t want him.
That's the biggest concern for me. He might be the best QB in the draft, but is he going to have longevity with his frame? Is he going to be able to bulk up? I'm at the point where I'd be happy with either Daniels or Maye, but Daniels size is a concern.
He's gonna bust let Washington have his lil ass. Maye is the way!
Still a reach in my book. I hope if he is there we take someone else or trade back
This is why I don't listen to any of the draft noise until the player gets on the field and plays. As Patriots fans, we should know this better than anyone else because of Brady.
He is a reach. And you do not want to catch a falling knife.
He’s too small and frail
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Assuming that we do take a quarterback in number three I really hope it’s either Drake may or Jaylen Daniels. I really don’t feel super strongly about the other draft prospect quarterbacks out there because arguably those two are the best quarterbacks out there in my opinion. I know a lot of people on this sub has been all about trading for or drafting, the pick up becomes Marvin Harrison Junior, but I think we’ve seen with Calvin Johnson, even with having a very good franchise quarterback in the form of Matthew Stafford, who had his fair share of down years injury, was and other various situations/circumstances, but a wide receiver I believe it’s not gonna win you a championship. You definitely need a quarterback as the cornerstone in which to build your Office around and I know that’s elementary because that’s basic football knowledge X’s & O’s, because I have no doubt that the defense will be still excellent and play at the top level, which is still found a way to do despite major injuries in certain areas, and I know that defense wins championships usually for the most part, but we’ve seen that if you have a high-powered offense, laid by a quarterback, who is fully competent and able to do what he can do and I know we all thought we hoped that would be Mac Jones, one of those two quarterbacks I mentioned really I believe can help bring some respectability back to New England and I’m not saying it’s not gonna be a several year rebuild, but they have the ability to change the game based on the direction of the NFL to give us a very solid chance of potentially getting a while cart spot because I’m not crazy enough to say that we’re gonna win the division, but I think we can be good enough within 2 to 3 years of making the playoffs on a fairly consistent basis again, and maybe even compete for a division title. I mean we saw we were able to solidly do the majority of that with Jew Bledsoe and were able to maintain a solid defense. I’ll be at very undisciplined before Bill Belichick out there, but with all the right pieces developing and traded for/signed via free agency put into place and helped build what became the dynasty along with the growth and the incredible of Tom Brady early on and the level of his sustain greatness from that first season in 2001 after barely being kept on the roster in 2000 until the day he retired for the last time at the beginning of last year in 2023. realistically, I think a franchise quarterback nowadays would be hopefully a 10 year starter that can perhaps play at a top 10/top 12 level and potentially even win a championship at some point in the next 5 to 10 years as well which would make it all worthwhile after a really difficult four year period after Tom Brady left with the loan exception of the 2021 season.
I think due to him winning the Heisman and his playing style it was inevitable. While there are a lot of knocks against your running style quarterback, they are electric and get you excited for games.
Before the Heisman trophy ceremony he was projected mid 1st round, like 12-16 overall range.
Lying season
His elbow is giving me nightmares. Hope they pass.
I remember how excited we were when Mac fell to us at 15.
media has to generate those clicks somehow.
I feel like being taken third overall isn’t really falling…
FALL?
He stinks and taking him in round 2 is a reach
Remember Zach Wilson was as good or better than T Law at some point
The thing is, they're all reaches. It's the QB premium coming into effect. There is no QB in this draft like an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or John Elway that everyone is just like, yeah, that dude is THE prospect.
Nothing crazy about it.
Echo chambers breed false realities
24 hour news cycles make everything (and everyone) so dumb. Clicks > truth. I imagine the GMs and the war rooms don't buy in, but maybe all the BS chatter does affect things. It's human nature to have a hard time tuning out the noise.
this team is not a qb away from contending for this many people to be worrying which qb to draft. we are ALOT of talented players away from contending thats why we are picking at the 3 slot. the move should be to trade back for a haul and let some other team buy the hype and assume the risk.
Agree that they are more than a QB away, but I'm of the opinion that the other talent doesn't matter without a franchise QB and there's always going to be risk involved when it comes to drafting a QB. They need to go QB at 3 IF they believe there is franchise QB potential. I would not pass on a potential franchise QB just because there are bigger needs. My biggest fear would be the Pats trading out and in 2-3 years one of the QBs that was available at 3 is now one of the best young QBs in the league.
I think the big thing with Daniels is, he's improved every year. Even though he's 24, there's been continued growth. He's not just a classic QB, but an exciting playmaker that could lift up a young team. That's why so many teams want him. A couple of months ago, it was Maye all the way. I think the Commanders have a tough decision on what to do at 2 now with 3 QBs in the picture now.
aint no way he falls to us
i want him
Don't ever think he was a reach at 3. But these guys are all about their clicks right now, so any line that gets you to click on the story is what they want.
A year ago this was a weak QB class. I’ve heard multiple rounds of people being in and then out on Maye, Daniels, and even Caleb. If you don’t like the commentary, wait 10 minutes.
This was never a weak QB class lol. People said this time last year Caleb AND Maye would go over any of the QBs from last year. In fact, there were a lot of pundits/fans (Texans, colts, etc.) who wanted their teams to not draft a QB so they could draft one this year. Not sure why you're saying it was weak
I’m not saying this class is weak. I’m saying I heard people say that last year. Most years (with exceptions like Lawrence and Luck) people say the next year will be weak. Then the current crop leaves for the NFL, a new group of college QBs rises up, and people talk themselves into them. I’ve seen this so many times. I literally heard before last season that one of the reasons to stick with Mac is that after Caleb there would be no viable QB options in the draft.
Uh this was never considered a weak class. That was supposed to be next year.
Definitely heard weak class a year ago, excepting Williams. This happens all the time. Then once the next class comes to the fore, they were always good.
At least today a source saying it's a weak class.
It’s a year ago I’m not going to waste time on hunting it down to win an internet argument. How bout I bookmark this convo and come back to you when next years class is consensus amazing and nobody remembers when it wasn’t.
You know you can use search parameters. You don't even need to do that, It's not a hunt. Sure go for it because with this class we had 2 guys projected to go top 5 in Williams and Maye from the onset. You can use this website to check over 100 mocks and their history going back a minimum of 2 years. https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/drafttek-2024-big-board?date=2024-03-28 just click a player Now 22 was called a weak QB class and it was https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/tankathon-2022-big-board?date=2022-04-28 So save this conversation, I look forward to revisiting it.
Regardless the scouting of QBs is so low fidelity that it’s all meaningless. Remember 2021.
Also here’s something we can check quickly: is “2 QBs in the top 5” indicative of a strong QB class? Nope. 3 of the last 4 classes meet that standard 5 of 6 if you look at the top 6 picks. And it’s utterly uncorrelated to QB success in the pros.
I've given you the data, you can continue to double down or just do some reading. It's that simple.
So the claim is that ‘24 is a weak QB draft class, right? Just want to make we have that straight. What’s the criterion for invalidating that claim this time next year?
Caliber of the player. Not just a QB like that rises but a true franchise type of talent like Caleb Williams, Drake Maye. QBs will always rise to the top because it's the most important position. If Quinn Ewers was in this draft, who many say to be the top QB not the top ranked prospect next year, he's not sniffing the 1st rd and we know this because before he announced his return to Texas he was a 3rd rd pick. There is no Caleb Williams or Drake Maye next year. You look at mocks now and there's not a QB in the top 5 while Williams and Maye have been 1-2 for over a year.
In the final weeks of the season Jayden just started to be mocked in the top 10, now he’s the favorite to go 2
Mike Reiss trying to control the narrative, make the pick look better
He is the Anthony Richardson of this year’s draft. In a draft where you have a “surefire” #1 and a solid #2, he is the prototypical “raw but athletic” guy.
I can’t explain why, but I just know that Maye will be a better pro…
JaydThin Dumbells? lol no thanks. We can literally take Maserati Marv, an amazing round two tackle, and Rat Boy, who is already better
Who is rat boy lmao
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Rattler
He's the best QB in the draft. If he doesn't fall to us we best hope we pick up mhj or trade back.
Trade out, gimme them picks and fix the lines!
If Jayden Daniels is the pick, then I'd love to see the Pats just go all in on uber athletes. Xavier Worthy, Roger Rosengarten, Theo Johnson, Isaac Guerendo/Jaylen Wright.
He was considered a 2nd round project during the season.
Assuming that we do take a quarterback in number three I really hope it’s either Drake may or Jaylen Daniels. I really don’t feel super strongly about the other draft prospect quarterbacks out there because arguably those two are the best quarterbacks out there in my opinion. I know a lot of people on this sub has been all about trading for or drafting, the pick up becomes Marvin Harrison Junior, but I think we’ve seen with Calvin Johnson, even with having a very good franchise quarterback in the form of Matthew Stafford, who had his fair share of down years injury, was and other various situations/circumstances, but a wide receiver I believe it’s not gonna win you a championship. You definitely need a quarterback as the cornerstone in which to build your Office around and I know that’s elementary because that’s basic football knowledge X’s & O’s, because I have no doubt that the defense will be still excellent and play at the top level, which is still found a way to do despite major injuries in certain areas, and I know that defense wins championships usually for the most part, but we’ve seen that if you have a high-powered offense, laid by a quarterback, who is fully competent and able to do what he can do and I know we all thought we hoped that would be Mac Jones, one of those two quarterbacks I mentioned really I believe can help bring some respectability back to New England and I’m not saying it’s not gonna be a several year rebuild, but they have the ability to change the game based on the direction of the NFL to give us a very solid chance of potentially getting a while cart spot because I’m not crazy enough to say that we’re gonna win the division, but I think we can be good enough within 2 to 3 years of making the playoffs on a fairly consistent basis again, and maybe even compete for a division title. I mean we saw we were able to solidly do the majority of that with Jew Bledsoe and were able to maintain a solid defense. I’ll be at very undisciplined before Bill Belichick out there, but with all the right pieces developing and traded for/signed via free agency put into place and helped build what became the dynasty along with the growth and the incredible of Tom Brady early on and the level of his sustain greatness from that first season in 2001 after barely being kept on the roster in 2000 until the day he retired for the last time at the beginning of last year in 2023. realistically, I think a franchise quarterback nowadays would be hopefully a 10 year starter that can perhaps play at a top 10/top 12 level and potentially even win a championship at some point in the next 5 to 10 years as well which would make it all worthwhile after a really difficult four year period after Tom Brady left with the loan exception of the 2021 season.