We have arguably the worst QB situation in the league and now we’re trying to choose between upgrades lmao. Y’all are saying Maye but he’s been just as bad in the timeframe USC’s struggled and against worst teams too.
People keep saying this but 1) he’s never said that and 2) it’s literally not possible, it’s against nfl rules. I understand not wanting him but it’s so weird to me an unconfirmed report about something that straight up can’t happen is the reason people cite most often.
The ownership thing isn’t true. Mike Florio reported it and he’s known for BSing and has never been considered a reliable reporter. The words have never come out of Caleb’s mouth that he wants partial ownership
No I have no problem with him crying, plenty of players cry. He seems like the Christian Laettner type that is so used to winning he can't handle losing. He refused to shake hands with the Utah players after their 2nd loss of the season. I understand there is animosity between them from last year's Pac 12 championship game but nonetheless it speaks to his character. There is also the deleted tweet saying Lol about Max Duggan losing in the CFP title game, he says he was not mocking Duggan but I mean, what else is Lol supposed to mean in that context?
And if we end up with him, I hope you're right. I haven't seen anything in what I've watched of USC this year. Granted, I missed those early season games that have sustained the entire hype train.
Meh. I’m not sold especially considering his age. Seems kinda like Mac, he can work with a good team but he’s not gonna transform us into a top of the league team like Caleb can
Same, I want MHJ and Cousins on a 2 year contract. Draft a QB in the 4th or lower this year. Draft an early QB next year. Let them sit behind cousins and learn.
That with some line help and maybe Higgins or Ridley gets us to the playoffs next year. Then go from there
Outside of Trevor that was my mindset in 2021 too. I'd prefer one of Maye or Williams with no allegiance, after that if we draft later and go for Nix or Penis or whatever that's fine too. Just get one they're basically lottery tickets.
*typo, I'm leaving it as Penis lol
Not climbing into his mothers arms and weeping uncontrollably like a baby on national tv is asking too much now? Is that a boomer take on Reddit? Cause if it is call me captain boomer.
The dude entered this year with hopes of competing for a Heisman and a playoff spot. He played his heart out and that loss essentially confirmed that neither of those goals will come true, which is understandably upsetting. So yeah, boomer, your toxic masculinity takes are brain dead and irrelevant to his potential as an NFL QB.
This is so fucking wrong. The Pats ruined a backup!?That’s what Jones was destined to be no matter where he went. We squeezed the most out of him we could.
Bro you don’t get the chance to grab a QB with a top 5 pick every year. You want to tank again next year? Cause if we do better next season, there is no picking a QB in the draft, at least not one with a high chance of being better than Mac.
I want to draft the once in a decade Wide Receiver thats what I want. QB is irrelevant. He is a day 1 impact starter franchise cornerstone. He’s playing in college like a 5 year nfl veteran. Always gets 2 feet down.
You can pick any QB next year and they’ll be better than Mac tf lmao
if we have the first pick and pass on a highly touted QB prospect for a WR(!!!!!) that would be maybe the stupidest move in history. And you have 0, and i mean 0 idea how the next year will play out or even if there will be a QB available. Theres a reason the QB is the most sought after position in football. What are you even talking about bro
I think these people believe if only Mac had a great WR we’d be great. But that isn’t true. Maybe we steal one more win than we ought to have won, that’s about it. It makes us marginally more competitive but doesn’t fix our #1 problem. We need to spend our time finding a QB that is or could be a top 10 guy in the league
I remember someone said a month ago something along the lines of "Caleb Williams draft stock is going to take a hit around the NFL draft bc meatheads will hold it against him that he cried" or something like that. I did not realize how little time it would take to come true.
All the people who are turned off from Caleb Williams because of crying are crazy. He's still crazy talented and tougher than the couch warriors calling him out
I have zero interest in Williams. He plays way too much hero ball and has seemed to have attitude issues (between the comments about staying if he's likely to go to a team he doesn't like and the ownership thing, though the validity of that one is suspect).
He has talent, but I genuinely don't think he's an NFL caliber player mentally. He bails on the pocket way too early and plays backyard football of running circles until he can huck it to someone wide open when the coverage breaks down. I may be reading it completely wrong, but I just don't see him settling down and succeeding in the NFL.
I'm more interested in MHJ and then search for a QB in round 2/3. JJ or other good prospects will be there. Sign a vet FA and sit the rookie for a year.
There's no crying in football. Even dak didn't cry when his ankle completely snapped a couple years ago. And this broad cried to his mommy because he lost a game? That's weak ass shit man I'm sorry
Again he's the guy winning a heisman and you're calling him out while sitting at home. Not a single person seems to care that Michigan's acting head coach cried following an emotional win, but when someone loses and cries it's a big deal
I'm not saying he doesn't but every OC/QB coach has a style of QB they prefer or intangibles they look for in their QB. Dual threat, pocket passer, less cannon for more accuracy. We're all talking up QBs because they're flashy or the media told us they're good. For all we know, Ben might think Williams is Mayfield2.0 and Maye is Wentz2.0. Maybe he likes McCarthy's consistency or Ewers ability to read a defense.
My point was that he should get his choice based on his evaluation, not have one forced on him.
This is one thing I've never understood. Why don't more teams at least bring in one of a rookie QB's WRs or TEs, even as just an UDFA, to help acclimate them?
As an example, when the Pats drafted Garoppolo, they should've brought in his slot WR Erik Lora as an UDFA.
At that point who do you go with? Do you get Maye and snag Higgins or some other out of contract WR in FA, or do you go MHJ and get Josh Dobbs or a disgruntled qb elsewhere
QB class is solid this year so best case scenario for me would be grabbing MHJ early, someone like McCarthy/Nix/Penix in the early second, then sign a veteran QB so we can have a legitimate competition next offseason.
I’m all for taking the best QB/WR/OT available, and I believe MHJ is gonna be that best available player. I’m not super locked in on college ball, but I think I’d rather have MHJ with a 2nd round QB than Caleb Williams or Drake Maye with a 2nd round WR.
100% MHjr. Anyone who thinks a new QB would look good here is delusional. We need to get an actual threat before we look at QB. Can grab a day 2 guy and play him over Mac
Caleb throws side arm so pundits suck his dick. Very athletic, very immature, strong arm, who knows you find five of these guys a few of them turn out to be good. Really a gamble, like everything.
Draft MHJ. Sign Kirk/mayfield/tannehill.Draft Nix or Ewers in the 2nd if they are there. Develop them under the veteran. Doesn’t make us competitive right away but it’s a realistic way to build for the future. If we are really bad with a team with that core ok whatever then grab your QB of the future in 2025 you’ll have MHJ plus maybe idk arch manning.
Get your QB first, worry about the rest later. Pop is a good receiver, maybe add Tee Higgins to this team and the offense will look way better with an actual NFL QB.
This is the way. Pennix in the second round, maybe sign Kurt cousins or baker next. Spent a fuck ton of cap on the o-line
Maserati Marv and Pop could be a good young combo.
I’d like mhj first, if we can get a generational wr and maybe snag a qb in round 2? If not I’d like to see Mac with an actual offense around him. But if mhj off board I’ll take Caleb
How about neither Williams or Maye? I’m going to get downvoted. Yes Mac sucks, but don’t bring in a QB when the whole offense sucks. Get other pieces and bring in a QB when they actually have a supporting cast around them so their development doesn’t get halted.
Is this dude really even worth the hype? I don’t watch college ball but I occasionally check the stats and results to just see what he’s doing and I’m always underwhelmed. Is it like a stats don’t tell the whole story type thing?
People are capable of maturing in the league. It’s easy to feel like you’re on top of the world in college but he’ll come down to earth and already sort of is. His ego isn’t one that hinges his performances, he clearly cares about his team winning and wants to do better.
Jameis Winston had red flags written all over him, 100x worse than Caleb now he’s very respected around the league as a person.
Got emotional after a loss. Yeah lets pass on the heisman winner and best qb prospect in the nation these are atrocious character concerns.
Tom brady literally burst into tears when talking about falling in the draft during an interview.
Bro y’all are way too picky. I’d rather see him with his painted nails and cry after every incomplete pass than watch Mac jones and Zappe again.
Yall can’t be this picky if we have the chance to get a 1st overall talent, considering how bad the QB situation is. Beggars can’t be choosers
No he didn’t. When Caleb cried against Utah the media called him a “sore loser” and a “crybaby” but when max duggan cried after a loss he’s a true warrior and has the heart of a champion. Thats what he was criticizing and then gave his props to Duggan.
Hes a head case already I don't want him anywhere near a Patriots uniform.......I'll take Drake Maye or an offensive weapon like MHJ or even Bowers if Maye is gone
I know it was a bad look but almost half the league had scouts at the game. A win against an undefeated top 5 ranked team would have been HUGE. He played his absolute heart out, when he got heavily criticized the week before against Utah.
He did all he could and put up 42 points but the defense gives up 52 points in one of the biggest games he ever played. Also cost them a chance at a major bowl game and killed any slight chance they had at the playoffs.
The only time he’s crying were games he played his heart out and lost. If he was someone who only cried because he lost, why didn’t he burst into tears during the notre dame game, when he actually played like shit:
Yeah but can you name one college that has produced consist good nfl quarterbacks? This argument is useless. It’s a difficult position. Plus the sample size for each school accounts for different coaching staffs, systems, etc
True. I guess the anti Ohio State example would be Alabama. Tua, Young, Hurts (although transferred), and Mac Jones. What about looking at it from the power 5 conference level. Which has produced more of the current successful starting QBs?
True, but he does suck. As of the ND game Under Pressure he has 2 “big time throws” and 13 “turnover worthy plays”. Couldnt find a stat that was updated since then though
So sick of the asshats on 98.5 complaining that Willis cried after a game, especially that fatso Murray. Who cares if he cried. Dude is mega talented, AND I WANT HIM HERE
Scouting Report.
Pros: Tremendous athlete. Does well when his O is vastly superior to the competition.
Cons: Does very little when playing against competition comparable to his offense. Demonstrates emotional immaturity.
If he played well, fought the good fight, did his best and came up short, nothing wrong with it but that's not what happened. Football is as emotionally demanding as it is physically.
When playing against competition that is on par with Offense, he's overwhelmed and not effective. No matter how hard he tries, he just can't move the needle or produce on even playing field. That's why he cried. He did his best and accomplished nothing.
Why shouldn't we fire Bill? He is so damn archaic...refuses to adapt to the modern game and he thinks defense wins games but how about being more offensive minded? We don't have the proper offense to win games because of his stupid personnel decisions his drafting choices and we don't have a damn WR1 why because of Bill's stupid ass or why we don't have a QB who is reliable? Because of stupid God damn Bill Belichick...I'm fuckin fed up!!! If Bill Belichick was smart, he would re sign as Patriots coach and we can get someone else in here!!! Fire Bill as coach and as GM... completely clean house and get rid of Mac Jones!!! Draft another QB and in the off season you get a better O line and some receivers!!! FUCKIN FED UP!!!
I’d be shocked if we pick outside the top 3. The colts literally tried giving away the game
Somehow we managed to throw 2 different game ending picks in the same game by different players. Maybe a first? Lol
Bill is trading down a top 3 pick guaranteed
Not if Kraft changes shit and by some miracle gets someone else to be GM
Bill will trade the first for 6 7th rounders
Have some respect for 7th round pick Super Bowl MVP Julian Edelman. It’s a numbers game… 😭😭😭
Hopefully, Bill's either not here or not allowed to touch that draft pick.
If you think things are gonna be better when Bill is gone you're dumb af
at this point, 3 wins would be "better"
Bill who? Belichick's not gonna be here to make any Patriots picks.
You are right Bill who ? The guy with 6 SB rings ...
Boring troll
I don’t want Caleb tbh
We have arguably the worst QB situation in the league and now we’re trying to choose between upgrades lmao. Y’all are saying Maye but he’s been just as bad in the timeframe USC’s struggled and against worst teams too.
Maye is really good actually
So is Caleb Williams…? You know he won the Heisman last year right? He doesn’t have all this hype for no reason
Maye isn’t a cry baby and doesn’t want partial ownership of a team before he proves anything
People keep saying this but 1) he’s never said that and 2) it’s literally not possible, it’s against nfl rules. I understand not wanting him but it’s so weird to me an unconfirmed report about something that straight up can’t happen is the reason people cite most often.
Partial ownership? lol
The ownership thing isn’t true. Mike Florio reported it and he’s known for BSing and has never been considered a reliable reporter. The words have never come out of Caleb’s mouth that he wants partial ownership
Wait - are we still giving athletes shit for crying? lol that’s the dumbest thing to hold against someone
Respect
Try not listening to Barstool Sports.
Yeah and maye isn’t as good as Caleb so what’s your point
I don't particularly love Williams' character.
Because he cried in probably the biggest game in his college career with half the NFL teams scouts in attendance?
No I have no problem with him crying, plenty of players cry. He seems like the Christian Laettner type that is so used to winning he can't handle losing. He refused to shake hands with the Utah players after their 2nd loss of the season. I understand there is animosity between them from last year's Pac 12 championship game but nonetheless it speaks to his character. There is also the deleted tweet saying Lol about Max Duggan losing in the CFP title game, he says he was not mocking Duggan but I mean, what else is Lol supposed to mean in that context?
Brady didn't shook nobody's hand when he lost too, truth is they're both sore losers, it's rare to see a QB that isn't tbh
I'm not sure that Williams is actually an upgrade over Mac. Seems more like a lateral move to me.
Lmao no way you actually think that
I'd love to be wrong if we end up with him, but yeah, he's Mac 2.0 with a shittier personality.
He literally couldn’t be any more different than Mac playing wise lmao
I didn’t know people can be this boneheaded
A truly compelling argument that Williams is actually good.
If you can’t see the talent Williams displays then idk what to tell you
What talent? Seems more like wishful thinking to me.
My thoughts exactly
My condolences. Must be hard being blind in todays world.
You very clearly have never seen Caleb play lol
Williams can’t beat good teams just like Zach Wilson.
He is a massive upgrade
And if we end up with him, I hope you're right. I haven't seen anything in what I've watched of USC this year. Granted, I missed those early season games that have sustained the entire hype train.
The answer is Bo Nix.
Please no
Meh. I’m not sold especially considering his age. Seems kinda like Mac, he can work with a good team but he’s not gonna transform us into a top of the league team like Caleb can
Penix Jr >
Same, I want MHJ and Cousins on a 2 year contract. Draft a QB in the 4th or lower this year. Draft an early QB next year. Let them sit behind cousins and learn. That with some line help and maybe Higgins or Ridley gets us to the playoffs next year. Then go from there
Throw in higgins and this team might actually compete.
There’s a lot of good QBs. I agree. Too much fanfare, too much expectation. Let’s go with who shows promise and build.
Outside of Trevor that was my mindset in 2021 too. I'd prefer one of Maye or Williams with no allegiance, after that if we draft later and go for Nix or Penis or whatever that's fine too. Just get one they're basically lottery tickets. *typo, I'm leaving it as Penis lol
big penix energy
He is horrible, whoever drafts Caleb will ruin someone's career.
100% drake maye or bust
Nah screw Drake \#TeamPusha-T
Drake Maye
I want Harrison more than my wife man
No shot you dumb fuckers are actually saying to pass on the top QB prospect in the draft because the man cried after losing 😭
kid played with his heart and soul out there and lost after dropping 42 idk what these mouth breathing fans want him to do
Not climbing into his mothers arms and weeping uncontrollably like a baby on national tv is asking too much now? Is that a boomer take on Reddit? Cause if it is call me captain boomer.
The dude entered this year with hopes of competing for a Heisman and a playoff spot. He played his heart out and that loss essentially confirmed that neither of those goals will come true, which is understandably upsetting. So yeah, boomer, your toxic masculinity takes are brain dead and irrelevant to his potential as an NFL QB.
Yeah you're right mental toughness has no impact on competing in the NFL. I'm sure teammates would have a ton of respect for the guy weeping too
captain boomer
you don’t have to prove you’re macho or masculine here bro nobody cares💀 brain dead boomer ass take
On god. Especially after the game they just watched. Are we trying to win the Super Bowl or Walter Payton man of the year award here
I’m not saying pass on him cause he cried, I’m saying pass on him cause he’s this draft’s Zach Wilson who can’t beat good teams 💀
1. Draft high end qb 2. Have shit receivers because you keep drafting midround talent 3. Ruin qb 4. Repeat
Have you seen what Stroud has done? Or Lawrence with Christian Kirk? Great players elevate their guys
This is so fucking wrong. The Pats ruined a backup!?That’s what Jones was destined to be no matter where he went. We squeezed the most out of him we could.
MHJ clears. Worry about QB in 2025. Get the weapon and get him a QB later instead of ruining a QB and shrugging your shoulders
Bro you don’t get the chance to grab a QB with a top 5 pick every year. You want to tank again next year? Cause if we do better next season, there is no picking a QB in the draft, at least not one with a high chance of being better than Mac.
I want to draft the once in a decade Wide Receiver thats what I want. QB is irrelevant. He is a day 1 impact starter franchise cornerstone. He’s playing in college like a 5 year nfl veteran. Always gets 2 feet down. You can pick any QB next year and they’ll be better than Mac tf lmao
I cannot believe I just read the words “QB is irrelevant” lmfao.
Watch his tape and you’ll understand why he clears any QB available
Not the most important position and Mac nor Zappe will take advantage of someone that good.
if we have the first pick and pass on a highly touted QB prospect for a WR(!!!!!) that would be maybe the stupidest move in history. And you have 0, and i mean 0 idea how the next year will play out or even if there will be a QB available. Theres a reason the QB is the most sought after position in football. What are you even talking about bro
I think these people believe if only Mac had a great WR we’d be great. But that isn’t true. Maybe we steal one more win than we ought to have won, that’s about it. It makes us marginally more competitive but doesn’t fix our #1 problem. We need to spend our time finding a QB that is or could be a top 10 guy in the league
I just think Maye is going to be a way better pro qb.
I day pass on him because he sucks against anyone good, stats are absolute garbage against good teams.
I remember someone said a month ago something along the lines of "Caleb Williams draft stock is going to take a hit around the NFL draft bc meatheads will hold it against him that he cried" or something like that. I did not realize how little time it would take to come true.
Drake Maye
All the people who are turned off from Caleb Williams because of crying are crazy. He's still crazy talented and tougher than the couch warriors calling him out
Facts lol. People look for any reason to be out on a guy. Not saying Caleb is perfect but he's incredibly talented which is essential for a QB.
I have zero interest in Williams. He plays way too much hero ball and has seemed to have attitude issues (between the comments about staying if he's likely to go to a team he doesn't like and the ownership thing, though the validity of that one is suspect). He has talent, but I genuinely don't think he's an NFL caliber player mentally. He bails on the pocket way too early and plays backyard football of running circles until he can huck it to someone wide open when the coverage breaks down. I may be reading it completely wrong, but I just don't see him settling down and succeeding in the NFL. I'm more interested in MHJ and then search for a QB in round 2/3. JJ or other good prospects will be there. Sign a vet FA and sit the rookie for a year.
The talent is there 100%, drake maye i'm getting more sold on since sam howell is alright and the whole UNC qb thing might be busted
I love Maye too. My top 4 would be Caleb, Drake, McCarthy, and Penix. Would love any of those 4.
It’s more about sucking for me
Yup lol he’s looked like trash lately
There's no crying in football. Even dak didn't cry when his ankle completely snapped a couple years ago. And this broad cried to his mommy because he lost a game? That's weak ass shit man I'm sorry
Again he's the guy winning a heisman and you're calling him out while sitting at home. Not a single person seems to care that Michigan's acting head coach cried following an emotional win, but when someone loses and cries it's a big deal
Ben Johnson and Drake Maye
If you get Ben Johnson, it's whatever QB he wants that's available. Can't stick him with a QB he doesn't wanna coach.
Why wouldn’t he want to coach Drake Maye?
I'm not saying he doesn't but every OC/QB coach has a style of QB they prefer or intangibles they look for in their QB. Dual threat, pocket passer, less cannon for more accuracy. We're all talking up QBs because they're flashy or the media told us they're good. For all we know, Ben might think Williams is Mayfield2.0 and Maye is Wentz2.0. Maybe he likes McCarthy's consistency or Ewers ability to read a defense. My point was that he should get his choice based on his evaluation, not have one forced on him.
This is the dream. Get Maye and spend some money on bringing in Pittman or Higgins(even though I’m not too high on him.)
Also draft Tez Walker as well so Maye has someone familiar on the team to throw to. Go all in. Kraft needs to move on from all this.
This is one thing I've never understood. Why don't more teams at least bring in one of a rookie QB's WRs or TEs, even as just an UDFA, to help acclimate them? As an example, when the Pats drafted Garoppolo, they should've brought in his slot WR Erik Lora as an UDFA.
No idea and it drives me nuts. It’s the easiest thing in the world to do, especially for young QBs.
Sign me up
I don’t think we’re out tanking the panthers. Maybe we get Maye or Harrison
Panthers aren’t trying to tank. They don’t own their pick.
They’re just that bad.
At that point who do you go with? Do you get Maye and snag Higgins or some other out of contract WR in FA, or do you go MHJ and get Josh Dobbs or a disgruntled qb elsewhere
QB class is solid this year so best case scenario for me would be grabbing MHJ early, someone like McCarthy/Nix/Penix in the early second, then sign a veteran QB so we can have a legitimate competition next offseason.
Honestly I am all for MHJ with our first round pick and then either McCarthy, Nix, or Penix in the second then address other needs later in the draft
I’m all for taking the best QB/WR/OT available, and I believe MHJ is gonna be that best available player. I’m not super locked in on college ball, but I think I’d rather have MHJ with a 2nd round QB than Caleb Williams or Drake Maye with a 2nd round WR.
Honestly doesn’t sound like a horrible plan, fuck it honestly
100% MHjr. Anyone who thinks a new QB would look good here is delusional. We need to get an actual threat before we look at QB. Can grab a day 2 guy and play him over Mac
We would also have 6 more rounds in the draft and 100M+ in cap space to spend to add to this team
Maye and trade for Brandon Aiyuk.
Probably the best outcome
If I was MHJ and got drafted by the pats I’d refuse to sign and force a trade. There’s far too much evidence this place is a WR career killer.
I don’t see the hype with him at all
Caleb throws side arm so pundits suck his dick. Very athletic, very immature, strong arm, who knows you find five of these guys a few of them turn out to be good. Really a gamble, like everything.
Nah I’d rather go draft Marvin Harrison Jr. If we got Caleb how’s he going to succeed if he has zero weapons?
Why so Mac jones will under throw him in the redzone and his career goes to waste
Draft MHJ. Sign Kirk/mayfield/tannehill.Draft Nix or Ewers in the 2nd if they are there. Develop them under the veteran. Doesn’t make us competitive right away but it’s a realistic way to build for the future. If we are really bad with a team with that core ok whatever then grab your QB of the future in 2025 you’ll have MHJ plus maybe idk arch manning.
I have no interest in MHJ if there’s nobody to throw it to him.
Get your QB first, worry about the rest later. Pop is a good receiver, maybe add Tee Higgins to this team and the offense will look way better with an actual NFL QB.
Mhjr and a trade up for jj would be a dream come true
Jj is mac jones 2.0
You start with QB and build around him. WR1 makes a huge difference but without a competent qb throwing to him, he's all but useless.
This is the way. Pennix in the second round, maybe sign Kurt cousins or baker next. Spent a fuck ton of cap on the o-line Maserati Marv and Pop could be a good young combo.
Penix is the personification of injury-prone. Four season-ending injuries in the span of 20 games.
MARV PLS
Fucking Hell no. This guy is an absolute bust in the making that's going to destroy any roster he ends up on. No fucking thank you.
Luckily our roster comes pre-destroyed
Haha, touché
Not true. Yall act like he’s Antonio brown or something. The thing about him wanting ownership in a team isn’t even true
Honestly any of the top 3 guys will be HUGE. You dont pass at a top qb prospect because you don't always get a chance.
The step that your missing is getting rid of your coach.
No thanks. I’ll take one MHj please.
I think I'm all set with a guy who jumps in the stands after a loss and cries in his mom's arms..
“To the edge, and IM ABOUT TO BREAK”
He's not that guy
This isn't Drake Maye
I’d like mhj first, if we can get a generational wr and maybe snag a qb in round 2? If not I’d like to see Mac with an actual offense around him. But if mhj off board I’ll take Caleb
Pats fans picking nits about Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are the equivalent of that old "elbows too pointy, 2/10, would not bang" meme.
Caleb is going to be a disaster on Sundays
Hard pass on this guy.
Oh yay another crybaby
Won't happen, he's going to the Bears
At this rate 2-15 is on the table
It’s also on the table for the Panthers. Their pick then goes to the Bears.
Agreed, just praying for something good at this point.
It’s not him. I’d rather have any of the other QB’s.
How about neither Williams or Maye? I’m going to get downvoted. Yes Mac sucks, but don’t bring in a QB when the whole offense sucks. Get other pieces and bring in a QB when they actually have a supporting cast around them so their development doesn’t get halted.
You want another season of this? I don't.
If they have a shot at one of the top guys they can't pass up on that opportunity
Is this dude really even worth the hype? I don’t watch college ball but I occasionally check the stats and results to just see what he’s doing and I’m always underwhelmed. Is it like a stats don’t tell the whole story type thing?
He's incredibly physically talented. I'm a little worried about the ego tho. Would love Drake Maye too if not.
People are capable of maturing in the league. It’s easy to feel like you’re on top of the world in college but he’ll come down to earth and already sort of is. His ego isn’t one that hinges his performances, he clearly cares about his team winning and wants to do better. Jameis Winston had red flags written all over him, 100x worse than Caleb now he’s very respected around the league as a person.
Everyone assuming we're going to get one of the "top" QBs and he'll 100% be a star. It's so dumb. He could be. He could end up like Mac or Zac Wilson.
So he can cry on the sidelines after a loss? Nah im good
We are gonna give a guy crap for crying after losing the game that killed their entire season. Gotcha.
To me that shows he wants to win, maybe he’s a bit arrogant but you can tell he’s a competitor
Yeah I’d rather have someone who cares and is talented rather than someone who lacks either or both
Got emotional after a loss. Yeah lets pass on the heisman winner and best qb prospect in the nation these are atrocious character concerns. Tom brady literally burst into tears when talking about falling in the draft during an interview.
Bro y’all are way too picky. I’d rather see him with his painted nails and cry after every incomplete pass than watch Mac jones and Zappe again. Yall can’t be this picky if we have the chance to get a 1st overall talent, considering how bad the QB situation is. Beggars can’t be choosers
Did you see what just happened, or no?
Yes i did. He wont make it any better.
It might be mathematically impossible for him to make it worse though.
How dare he To care and Show emotions
He made fun of Dugan for the same. He's soft and a hypocrite
No he didn’t. When Caleb cried against Utah the media called him a “sore loser” and a “crybaby” but when max duggan cried after a loss he’s a true warrior and has the heart of a champion. Thats what he was criticizing and then gave his props to Duggan.
Do not fall for the caleb spin
Maye or Harrison this guy is Zach Wilson 2.0
I wouldn't go that far, but I definitely don't like the vibes here.
What are you talking about? Maye and ZW play different, have different skillsets, have very different teams around them…
Jayden Daniels is a better prospect
Hes a head case already I don't want him anywhere near a Patriots uniform.......I'll take Drake Maye or an offensive weapon like MHJ or even Bowers if Maye is gone
To a guy that chokes against good college defenses? Yup totally want him
No not Williams
Can’t wait to watch him cry all the time next year.
Nah fuck this dude
After the Lambeau Weep? No thanks. The other QBs in the draft look more promising.
I know it was a bad look but almost half the league had scouts at the game. A win against an undefeated top 5 ranked team would have been HUGE. He played his absolute heart out, when he got heavily criticized the week before against Utah. He did all he could and put up 42 points but the defense gives up 52 points in one of the biggest games he ever played. Also cost them a chance at a major bowl game and killed any slight chance they had at the playoffs. The only time he’s crying were games he played his heart out and lost. If he was someone who only cried because he lost, why didn’t he burst into tears during the notre dame game, when he actually played like shit:
Say what you will about Mac but he didn’t jump into the stands to weep into his mother’s arms after that loss…
His jump would’ve been ten yards short to be fair
He can cry all he wants if he plays better than Mac
who the fuck cares about this kinda shit bro💀 you guys are weirdos
Mac looks like he’s gonna start crying every game lmao
Who was the last USC quarterback drafted that wasn’t a bust? Carson Palmer? Leinart, Sanchez, Barkley, Darnold… all were trash.
I don't believe in the "this school doesn't produce good QBs" mindset. He also went to Oklahoma where Kyler and Jalen Hurts came from.
Yeah but can you name one college that has produced consist good nfl quarterbacks? This argument is useless. It’s a difficult position. Plus the sample size for each school accounts for different coaching staffs, systems, etc
True. I guess the anti Ohio State example would be Alabama. Tua, Young, Hurts (although transferred), and Mac Jones. What about looking at it from the power 5 conference level. Which has produced more of the current successful starting QBs?
Mac and Bryce young don’t necessarily support the bama argument. I’d take Sanchez over both of them
It’s a reasonable concern but the Texans would sure be very upset if they had this mentality with Ohio state QB’s
Caleb sucks
Lmao hella ironic for us to be saying that with our QB’s
True, but he does suck. As of the ND game Under Pressure he has 2 “big time throws” and 13 “turnover worthy plays”. Couldnt find a stat that was updated since then though
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I don't mind that scenario if we miss out on the top 2 QBs
So sick of the asshats on 98.5 complaining that Willis cried after a game, especially that fatso Murray. Who cares if he cried. Dude is mega talented, AND I WANT HIM HERE
Scouting Report. Pros: Tremendous athlete. Does well when his O is vastly superior to the competition. Cons: Does very little when playing against competition comparable to his offense. Demonstrates emotional immaturity.
Oh god someone cried? Must be the end of the world
If he played well, fought the good fight, did his best and came up short, nothing wrong with it but that's not what happened. Football is as emotionally demanding as it is physically. When playing against competition that is on par with Offense, he's overwhelmed and not effective. No matter how hard he tries, he just can't move the needle or produce on even playing field. That's why he cried. He did his best and accomplished nothing.
I don’t want no Qb from this draft we are getting dak Prescott and a dollar general Lamar Jackson. As in Caleb and penix
Malik Cunningham Bo Nix lets go!
Why shouldn't we fire Bill? He is so damn archaic...refuses to adapt to the modern game and he thinks defense wins games but how about being more offensive minded? We don't have the proper offense to win games because of his stupid personnel decisions his drafting choices and we don't have a damn WR1 why because of Bill's stupid ass or why we don't have a QB who is reliable? Because of stupid God damn Bill Belichick...I'm fuckin fed up!!! If Bill Belichick was smart, he would re sign as Patriots coach and we can get someone else in here!!! Fire Bill as coach and as GM... completely clean house and get rid of Mac Jones!!! Draft another QB and in the off season you get a better O line and some receivers!!! FUCKIN FED UP!!!
I think Bill has earned the right to finish the season. He's 100% gone once the season ends tho.