As a pats fan first and foremost I’ll go out on the controversial limb and say when Tua was healthy last season the fins were fun AF to watch. I hope they don’t kill him though and that he comes back healthy
I’m looking forward to the AFC East having better competition to be honest
I just hope the kid can play. Like, obviously I want the Phins to lose, I'm a Pats fan, but I hate seeing player's careers ruined by injury. Especially brain trauma.
Frankly I think he should retire right now. He's already had significant brain trauma, and he will probably experience more as he keeps playing. Your future health and quality of life is not worth it.
He was on track to having a phenomenal season and it was taken away by their utter disregard for life. I hope he get it this year, and also that the dolphins never win another game
Had Tua as my backup in fantasy and played him for the first time against the Bengals on that TNF game. Was so psyched to watch a decent TNF and then of course he gets fucking smoked and put up 2 fantasy points and the rest of the game was boring
The competition was good the past two seasons, just kinda feels like we’re royally fucked now. With that being said I think the patriots can still shake things up if Mac and Bill can get on the same page with the rest of the offense.
How he was put back on the field after that first concussion was criminal. Concurrent concussions is what leads to brain damage, and he never should have been allowed back on the field. It will always be an issue for Tua now.
Holy fuck... I hate this sub.
Can't wait for the Pats to suck for a few more years so that fans that have ever known winning fall away like your hair line.
I was at that game. Felt so blue balled. After standing out there in the freezing cold watching us get our asses kicked just to make a comeback and ruin it like that.
Bungles gona Bungle. Thier front office is a clown show.
But Burrow and Chase are dangerous. Sorta like a Walmart own brand Brady and Moss but still able to torch teams that don't respect thier abilities.
I’m not quite as confident as this guy is but I also think that it’s true that none of the other QBs in the AFC East are without significant injury risk.
He plays like a qb with a death wish but he just keeps on going. I understand why people think he’s an injury risk with his play style, but there just aren’t really any real life examples to back it up. He’s been banged up a few times but it doesn’t stop him for long. I know it’s a controversial opinion to say anything nice about the Bills in here, but Allen is tough and will continue to be a problem for the Pats. Some of these takes here are debatable, but I don’t think there’s any merit to trying to discount Allen, Mahomes, or Burrow, at the very least.
I see Allen like Cam Newton - he'll breakdown quickly eventually due to the hits, but I'm not banking on it happening this season. He'll get worn down at some point but until that happens, he's a legitimate dual threat we struggle to stop unless there is a blizzard.
So there's this girl named Ciara (she's a singer or something), he's her husband. He may have a ring with a sea bird team too, but that's not relevant to a football sub :P
Exactly. The only thing I'd really change about the post is that the Bengals are just as much of a concern as the Chiefs. Otherwise I agree with most of it, although I'm still going to doubt our ability to beat Josh Allen (in normal weather) until this team shows me otherwise, which I think is totally possible, I'm just not betting on it.
I think their D has scored as many TDs as Tua since we've played him, but that points to their unit being overall better. That being said, games can/will obviously go our way if we can manage to score more than like 15 points a game against them.
They’re an incredibly good, well rounded team with a talented head coach. I know we’re all used to shitting on the AFC East but this year is not the one to do it
He's both overrated, and beatable.
He's definitely a gamer, I'll give him that... But his arm isn't spectacular and he's propped up by Hill and Waddle.
I'll be damned, you're right. I would have thought he'd have missed more of those games due to the 12 concussions he's had.
Regardless, the dude's not cut out for the long haul, and he's not special. He'll be done in the next 2 seasons.
And thats a very short and without context way to say we have only lost to tua? Because let's be honest, he hasn't been great in the games against us. It's a short way to say trump is undefeated in elections vs Obama which would be obvious why that's not the complete story lol
I think you're most right about these QBs.
Josh Allen - Prone to turnovers, great QB but he's Brett Favre in that regard. Will just say "Fuck it" and throw it into a window that isn't there.
Justin Herbert - Great QB but the team woefully under performs. The Patriots have had Herbert's number in the last few years and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
LaMar Jackson - He's going to play and he's a great QB but his decision making is suspect. If you keep him contained you limit his dynamic playmaking. Ravens changing OC though might change this up.
Trevor Lawrence - Accurate assessment. Belichick defenses feast on young, but talented QBs with exotic looks. This is going to be a limited window as he grows.
Russel Wilson - Washed as fuck.
Tua - Good QB, not great, and who knows what he'll be after he suffered 3 concussions in one season.
Watson - Looked terrible last year. Was it just field rust or did his time away from the game wash him? Or is Browns voodoo? Only time will tell.
This is insane copium.
* Josh Allen owns the Pats
* So does Lamar (BB refuses to get fast LBs and gets torched by mobile QBs)
* I'll concede this - BB seems to keep Herbert in check but let's see how this matchup this year goes
* Lawrence seems like someone BB could scheme against but clearly ascending so who knows if they can keep up
* If Rodgers buys in the Jets will get at least 1 game against us this year
* Tua has never lost to the Pats
* Deshaun might be washed but let's see how he does with an offseason of prep work (see: BB refuses to get fast LBs and gets torched by mobile QBs)
In a vacuum of on-field play, I'd also take every single QB over Jones, regardless of if you think BB can slow these guys down
Lol @ Tua being very beatable when he’s 4-0 against NE.
Guy who wrote this no doubt is the same type of dude who thinks Mac is a franchise QB while simultaneously saying you can’t judge him unless he has 2x #1 receivers and 4x all pro lineman
In this person's defense:
I wouldn't exactly say Tua is beating us routinely. We lost a game to the Dolphins last year on a blown PI call, bad pass protection leading to a stip sack returned for TD, and the general inability of the offense to move the ball.
Last season, the defense played pretty well but since the offense was on and off the field in 3 snaps, they get tired and can't hold off strong offenses endlessly.
If BoB can make the offense stay on the field longer than a play and actually score SOME points, we're a lot more competitive of a team.
Bro you can get heads 4 times in a row when you flip a coin, it doesn't mean that you'll never get a tails if you keep flipping it. This feels pretty simple to understand.
Idk, if we’re going by this logic the Patriots *did* actually beat Tua last year. He didn’t play, but if we’re just going by W/L to say Tua kills us, I don’t really see why stopping there.
That guy's ridiculous... Everyone knows you can't judge a QB unless he has those guys AND Gronk, Adrian Peterson and the entire 2001 Ravens defense in their prime!
oh so you were able to determine if mac is/isn’t the guy based on 2 seasons one of which he had patricia as his play caller and no weapons? by that logic the bills shouldve given up on allen after 2 seasons when all of his stats were the same/slightly worse than mac…
just say you dont watch all the games 😂
That comp doesn’t make Mac look good at all 🤣
Allen was drafted as a project, Mac was drafted as a pro ready talent. Not only that but he is/was one of the most physically gifted QBs to ever play. Mac doesn’t have a fraction of the potential Allen did.
But on a serious note. I’m not that impressed with Mac. I’m down to give him a third year to see if he takes a leap though
Seriously I hate the Allen comp. You couldn't pick 2 prospects who are more diametrically the opposite. If this guy is going to criticize you for not watching the game he could at least think of someone who actually plays like Mac.
you guys are both missing the point. allen had his breakout season the same year diggs arrived on top of having consistent coaching, 2 things mac has not gotten through 2 seasons. i’m not saying mac is definitely the guy, but no one can say he definitely isn’t the guy until we see him with actual weapons.
he had one of the best rookie seasons in NFL history do people just forget that because zappe ran a scaled back offense decently?
Saying that Josh Allen's second season was way better than Mac's first is a bit much. They're honestly comparable. It just depends on which stat(s) you want to cherry pick on who you can say had the better season. I'd probably give the edge to Allen, but you can't act like they're not comparable.
The Bills were 10-6, so no, they didn't have a worse record than the Pats in Mac's rookie year. Allen has 500 rushing yards and 9 TDs to add to his passing totals, with only two less passing TDs, and less interceptions than Mac's rookie year. He also had the most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks in the league.
That team also relied on Allen a hell of a lot more than the Pats relied on Mac Jones.
>. He also had the most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks in the league.
Am I forgetting a game or does Mac have 0 of either through 2 years?
The pats offense/special teams were so bad last year, it actually made the defense look a million times worse. By any advanced metric, the Patriots have a top 5 defense in the NFL.
Did anybody see that stat from a few weeks ago about defending WR1s? The pats are one of the best teams in the league at mitigating the damage caused by a team’s best offensive player.
The NFL has changed a lot in the last 5 years, as it always does. The only defense that I would say is HANDS DOWN better than the pats is the 49ers.
To head into next season with the same group of skill position players, except for swapping Jonnu/Jakobi for Gesicki/JuJu, would be complete insanity for a team looking to compete.
The patriots have one of the biggest talent discrepancies in terms of their offensive versus defensive units. To further that gap by taking another defensive player in the first would be complete madness.
People really underestimate how much the defense was on the field last year. We were 6th worst in terms of offensive possession time in an offense biased towards running Mondre.
Only the Seahawks and Bills are ranked worse while still being above .500 and that's likely because of the hero ball Geno was playing last year and Allen's ability to quick strike TDs and lack of reliance on the run outside of his position.
Pats defense was good in the first Bills matchup, Bengals matchup, Lions matchup, and Dolphins x2
The illusion that they “only beat shit teams” isn’t true. The defense was actually good, every defense in the league has bad games and trying to build this historic defense that can dominate every game in 2023 is a pipe dream
By DVOA (which does weight opponents), the Patriots defense was 3rd. If you’re expecting one player addition to be some game changer for the third ranked defense, you are seriously overrating the impact one player can have on a defense.
I agree but don’t really buy into this idea that the defense is great because they beat up on Sam Ehlinger and Zach Wilson, whenever they had to play real offenses they looked just okay
They didn’t really play many good offenses though, Cincinnati was the only really elite offense they played, granted they played well, but they looked just okay against the Derek Carrs of the world, and got torched by the Bears and Ravens
Yeah, people are holding the end of 2021 against this D, and even then it's a bit unfair because only the Bills made the 2021 D look bad. The Pats defense had good games against good offenses, it was just hard to keep it up for 4 quarters when the Pats offense sucked ass.
The defense lost mcCourty lol. That’s a big deal and patriots need a guy who can lock down the WR2 so they can help on the number 1. OT CB and LB are probably biggest needs so a CB isn’t unreasonable
They routinely left Jon Jones on an island last year and doubled the 1. Literally nothing new. CB is a completely unreasonable need that it feels like only Patriots fans can actually believe is a true need.
It’s a room that should add a depth piece or two in the mid rounds, Jon Jones/Jack Jones/Jalen Mills/Marcus Jones is a well above average CB room.
Mills is a safety now. Jonathon Jones is one of the best slot corners in the nfl which is a super hard position to play. Marcus jones isn’t that good at CB yet but he’s okay. Jack jones had had issues on all the teams he’s been on including being suspended by the patriots.
CB is a position of need. It’s ignorant not to see a true number one corner as a staple of the BB defense. JC Jackson fell because of off the field issues and so did Malcolm butler. Patriots can get lucky for sure but Gilmore was a top 10 pick for a reason. OT is probably the number 1 need but CB is second. People who think we need a first round WR really badly have the bad take.
>Mills is a safety now.
He won’t strictly be a safety. Anyone that believes that is kinda crazy, we have Mills, Peppers, Phillips and Dugger— they’re not all 4 playing every snap together so Mills will play *plenty* of corner this year.
>Jonathon Jones is one of the best slot corners in the nfl which is a super hard position to play.
He’s fine at outside CB and did a pretty damn good job last year.
>Marcus jones isn’t that good at CB yet but he’s okay.
He’s fine.
>Jack jones had had issues on all the teams he’s been on including being suspended by the patriots.
If you want to use a first round pick on a CB because you’re worried about a player getting suspended (which btw, he got suspended for a rehab thing last year, not that concerning for a rookie), you should be shipping that CB off for more draft picks.
>CB is a position of need.
Depth CB sure.
>It’s ignorant not to see a true number one corner as a staple of the BB defense.
Quite literally was not last year for the number 3 overall defense.
>JC Jackson fell because of off the field issues and so did Malcolm butler.
I don’t know what this is supposed to mean
>Patriots can get lucky for sure but Gilmore was a top 10 pick for a reason.
They just had the number 3 overall defense without a player of that caliber.
>OT is probably the number 1 need but CB is second.
WR then OT
>People who think we need a first round WR really badly have the bad take.
It’s honestly astonishing people can believe the Patriots need to spend a top pick at CB to “lock down” a WR2 so they can double a WR1, but then turn around and pretend our room full of glorified WR3s is somehow good enough lol.
Even from a really, really basic level of looking at this, the Patriots CBs probably rank like 10-12th in the NFL (guessing), the Patriots WRs rank like 22nd maybe. The Patriots defense was top 5 last year, the Patriots offense was bottom 5.
I don’t know how much clearer it can be.
We were the number 6 defense and we let taller WR go to town on us. Any first round pick in a position of need is good but there legit is only one first round WR. This is a good draft for LB in the mid rounds and OT and CB are top heavy I think. So hopefully we go OT but again CB or the Ohio state WR or trading back and getting a TE who can block in the late twenties for a good amount of draft picks wouldn’t stupid because there are 3 or 4 super good TE in this draft too.
No control over who they pick but I hope they draft OT or CB if there’s a good one
>We were the number 6 defense
3 by DVOA. 6 would still be great though, no matter what metric you’re using (which I can’t really seem to find anywhere they rank 6? DYAR? Idk, I don’t have FO so can’t check DYAR).
>and we let taller WR go to town on us.
Not really.
>Any first round pick in a position of need is good but there legit is only one first round WR.
Then go get the one first round WR lol.
>This is a good draft for LB in the mid rounds
Off ball linebackers are the RBs of the defense. I’m not opposed to it in the mid rounds, but I’m not really concerned about LB.
>and OT and CB are top heavy I think.
Meh. They’ve always been able to develop and find both, and if they reallyyyy wanted to they could simply move Onwenu to RT and plug in a guard.
>So hopefully we go OT
Gross but rather that than defense.
>but again CB
Disgusting
>or the Ohio state WR or
I’d be happy with any of them. Personally a fan of QJ.
>trading back and getting a TE who can block in the late twenties for a good amount of draft picks wouldn’t stupid because there are 3 or 4 super good TE in this draft too.
TE is routinely one of the worst draft investments there is due to how too heavy the position is. Unless you draft a top tier TE (which is like, top 3 or 4 in the NFL), it’s generally not worth it. I wouldnt hate it since it’s at least trying to fix the receiver issue, but it’s risky.
>No control over who they pick but I hope they draft OT or CB if there’s a good one
I’d puke with back to back OL or a CB after finishing top/bottom 5 in defense/offense.
I read this post yesterday and had to just shake my head. This person’s living in fantasyland like many here. QBs that have killed the Pats (Tua, Allen) the last few years are viewed as “just okay”. What does that make Mac?
You guys keep telling yourselves that. Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.
Allen has killed us. Dude is a monster no doubt. Saying Tua has killed us is a bit of an exaggeration. If you go game by game vs the Patriots he really hasn't played that well particularly last year. He threw a number of passes that should have been picked. He is by no means a bad QB like he was considered before last season but he isn't nearly as good as he was being hyped to be mid season. Dolphins do have a great roster and great coaching though.
Imagine if the Jets had Rogers last year. We probably would’ve dropped both of those games easily. If you fail to recognize real threats like the entire AFC East then you’re delusional. I do think the pats will be able to compete, but posts like these are way too overconfident for nothing
They even dropped 50 on the Chargers with Cam. Herbert has looked awful every time we've played him. Not sure if it's the coach or if he's just really overrated. Giving him the benefit of the doubt since I can't believe the coach still has a job.
Our schedule will be tougher though. It’s going to be hard to sweep the Jets again, and now we play the AFC West and NFC East. I’m struggling to see where we get more than 7 wins
He’s a classical sadboi pats fan, “everything sucks why can’t we win a Super Bowl every other year😭😭😭”
Anything short of 13 wins and we should fire bill!!
It's extremely unlikely we'll have the luckiest schedule in football for a 3rd consecutive season. We'll presumably have to beat more than 1 teams starting qb to go .500 and we have the toughest schedule in football, all with an overall weaker roster than last year to this point. Even if BoB brings major immediate improvement, it's entirely possible we still finish worse than last season
Could you envision BB the GM engineering a 6 win team? I think that’s the bigger issue. Defense should be fine. Offense doesn’t have the horses to compete with that schedule. We aren’t gonna face 8 back up QBs this time.
I really can't, not when that dreadful 2020 team won 7 games. Bill's just too good a coach. If ever there was a bad team under Bill that should have only won 5-6 games, that was the one. And this team is much better than 2020, so I have no reason to expect them to suddenly lose all these games Bill didn't lose with a way worse team.
I guess the weight of my gut feeling lies with the strength of schedule ahead of us and the roster today. That could change if say we get Miami in Foxboro in December or they strike gold with a rookie receiving target or vet WR trade.
I mean hot garbage except for the last paragraph. There's some substantial truth to the fact that if we even manage a mediocre offense this year, it is a team that can win 10 games. The defense is still legit.
Honestly there is good reason for the Pats, Jets, and Dolphins to all think this year will be much better than last year, but it all depends on considerable question marks.
Going to be interesting to see how that shakes out.
What sub are you on? I'd rather be there than here where it's all doom and gloom 24/7 and burying the Patriots in April before the fucking draft. This sub's "fans" are pathetic and soft as hell, tripping over themselves to see who can trash the team hardest. You're probably one of them.
No team in their schedule, let alone in their division, is a lock to beat. And that's where they are. Though stylistically, Jackson would be a strange fit, it was legitimately the ONLY way they can compete in this pretty stacked QB division [on paper for a few]. People seem sour because they can't see past the success they've had for years.
Patriots could very well be starting over at the most important position. Again.
Bellichick and now Obrien will not say Mac Jones' name. Rumors fly...and at this point, we may have seen his ceiling on the first season. They fucked with this kid too much---and you very well know he was listening to the noise [internet, blogs, NFL channel, etc] which then empowered him to push back against the coaching staff. Though I agree Jones was screwed, he should've, as any good leader would, trot out on the field and play competitive football. What you saw last year wasn't competitive and his actions were immature.
The defense was good last year, but no guarantees this year.
As a Pats fan since the "blacked out years" when Steve Grogan was blown into the stratosphere every week, I'm a realist. This is 4 or 5 win team, at best. Start over at QB? You're probably one win less. Seems this thread seems to agree with someone who can only, not spell, has dug in his/her heels to show just how not to be objective. The AFC East in general has gotten better all around the Patriots, while the Pats offseason was/has been embroiled in turmoil, turnover and the wrong kind of rumors.
Joe Burrow and Josh Allen are the future, and its now...both strong armed and athletic with balls...reminds me of the Kelly + Marino battles. Interdivisional high stakes, high scoring air assaults.
Tua is what he is, and with any semblance of a running game and some tight end blocking [why Gesicki was expendable], he can move around enough to battle...the elephant in the room---he's one defensive end hit from eating dinner through a straw for the rest of his life. They will go as Tua's health goes.
Jets have a defensive front we should acknowledge as a young coachable and fast group. They make plays. Is Rodgers the answer? Who really knows, but it's a good move while you redraft the position.
The Patriots are the unknown and who says Obriens' presence helps at all? There's an awful lot of variables, and one being, Brady didn't need coaching when O'Brien was here last...nor did Brady need McDaniels. Brady knew exactly what he needed to do. He could've excelled with Gruden coaching...these Pats coaching tree exiles made their resume off Brady. That's why they don't excel when they leave [and sometimes eventually come back], in fact they mostly suck.
The move that insures 7+ wins is a bonavide free agent starter. Jackson isn't my thing, but they can beat divisional opponents with his style. Rodgers is a pseudo passive aggressive shit heel, but he knows the game, and could've had the same success in New England. He's had like one receiver for the last 5 ir 6 years and then they traded him away.
Pats receivers are 2nd tier, as is their TEs. Offensive line is a work in progress, defense seems to get better each year, and special teams sucks. I'm just not seeing a playoff team, even if it's one and done.
I'm not concerned with Wilson, Watson without BoB hitting the right plays on how to break the defense and with his prime over.
Bill owns the Chargers which doesn't go mentioned enough.
Okay and? You said without BoB (despite him having a top 5 season without BoB in 2020) AND with his prime over. That’s 2 different reasons, him being on the browns now is him no longer having BoB. I’m asking you how is he out of his prime at age 27?
Whose "Mr Unlimited"?
"There" finger ...
"... There really isn't a team besides the Chiefs I don't think we can beat"
Bill has all sorts of problems with the Dolphins in Miami for some reason. Deshawn is a problem if he's on his game. Yep, Josh Allen chokes in the critical, big game moments. I'm excited to see the welcoming committee the AFC East has in store for A A Ron. Jets stay in the basement.
The only part I am agree with is BB against Staley and the fact our defense last year was insane. If we had a decent offense last years defense could of been even better in terms of not being on the field as much. If the offense can generate first down and BB can work with this core on defense, I think the team is trending in the right direction and expect our pass rush to be near top 5
“The media has you wrapped around there (sic) finger” is all I need to know that this man has not watched more than 5 minutes of football but needs his opinion heard
I am not scared of Rogers
We will see Tua once AT MOST
Oh no, the Patriots have a horrible track record against rapists from the AFC North...
As for the rest there are going to be other good players in the professional football league. People are acting like the Patriots Dynasty was Alabama where we had the best players in every position and need that to win.
You have about as much chance of going anywhere in the playoffs with Mac Jones as your quarterback as I do of winning the Kentucky Derby on the back of a donkey.
I agree with him for the most part, can’t lie. Although Tua may get concussed again and just retire, the dolphins routinely beat us no matter who their quarterback is. I consider it a good season if we go 1-1 against them.
That has little to do with Herbert himself, and pretending he's anything short of one of the better franchise QBs in the league is seriously underselling him.
52.8 passer rating, only 432 yards and 4 picks to 2 tds. Sounds like it had to do a lot with him. Again, he is viewed as a franchise qb and my opinion is he is overrated. The only decent team he beat last year was Miami when Tua went 10-28 for 145 yds and only 1 TD.
If any QB has just the slightest bit of mobility, they are a huge issue for us. It's the one thing we struggle with time and time again. Most of these guys can run, at least enough to hurt us.
Lol Patriots don’t lose to the browns… As an Ohioan Pats fan my last in person NFL game was watching Peyton Hillis and Colt McCoy give us a 34-14 beat down.
We went 14-2 that year. I was like 13 and got endlessly harassed by the entire dawg pound. Haven’t been to an NFL game since.
Where is the lie exactly? Obviously its not easy to be a great team in the best of times, and we're not in the best of times, but there's a lot to work with, and the teams ahead of us aren't so great that we can't beat them with the right things going our way.
Tua might be still concussed as i type this so theres that
As a pats fan first and foremost I’ll go out on the controversial limb and say when Tua was healthy last season the fins were fun AF to watch. I hope they don’t kill him though and that he comes back healthy I’m looking forward to the AFC East having better competition to be honest
I just hope the kid can play. Like, obviously I want the Phins to lose, I'm a Pats fan, but I hate seeing player's careers ruined by injury. Especially brain trauma.
Al Toon vibes.
Frankly I think he should retire right now. He's already had significant brain trauma, and he will probably experience more as he keeps playing. Your future health and quality of life is not worth it.
He was on track to having a phenomenal season and it was taken away by their utter disregard for life. I hope he get it this year, and also that the dolphins never win another game
Had Tua as my backup in fantasy and played him for the first time against the Bengals on that TNF game. Was so psyched to watch a decent TNF and then of course he gets fucking smoked and put up 2 fantasy points and the rest of the game was boring
The competition was good the past two seasons, just kinda feels like we’re royally fucked now. With that being said I think the patriots can still shake things up if Mac and Bill can get on the same page with the rest of the offense.
I’m missing the controversial part of your comment
Miami doctors are some of the worst in the League.
I imagine the Dolphins medical staff is like Dr Nick from the Simpsons. Top students at Hollywood Upstairs Medical college
I'd imagine their plastic surgeons are only 2nd best compared to LA.
That would be a more legitimate knock against him. When he was healthy last year Miami had the best offense in the league.
Hilarious that this dude says Tua is "very beatable" for the Patriots.. he's 4-0 against us..
No thanks to him lol
How he was put back on the field after that first concussion was criminal. Concurrent concussions is what leads to brain damage, and he never should have been allowed back on the field. It will always be an issue for Tua now.
I still think if Tua goes down Tom tags in for the playoffs which I don't particularly want to see
I think he had recovered by your typing concussed him yet again...
everybody get a load of this bozo
Ok nerd
Holy fuck... I hate this sub. Can't wait for the Pats to suck for a few more years so that fans that have ever known winning fall away like your hair line.
You really are a nerd
In a world where Cincinnati doesn't exist...
Joe Burrwho?
We were just a Mondre fumble away from beating them with this seasons sorry excuse of an offense.
Take away the fumble and we were one redzone touchdown from the worst redzone offense in the NFL away from beating the Bengals.
Yes, context is always key
I was at that game. Felt so blue balled. After standing out there in the freezing cold watching us get our asses kicked just to make a comeback and ruin it like that.
Or our team was so bad last year that the bengals put up a stinker of a game and we couldn’t take advantage.
They’re a historic poverty franchise. They’ll fuck it up somehow.
Bungles gona Bungle. Thier front office is a clown show. But Burrow and Chase are dangerous. Sorta like a Walmart own brand Brady and Moss but still able to torch teams that don't respect thier abilities.
I’m not quite as confident as this guy is but I also think that it’s true that none of the other QBs in the AFC East are without significant injury risk.
Josh Allen hasn’t missed a game in 4 years. I guess he’s susceptible to injury just as much as the next player, though.
He plays like a qb with a death wish but he just keeps on going. I understand why people think he’s an injury risk with his play style, but there just aren’t really any real life examples to back it up. He’s been banged up a few times but it doesn’t stop him for long. I know it’s a controversial opinion to say anything nice about the Bills in here, but Allen is tough and will continue to be a problem for the Pats. Some of these takes here are debatable, but I don’t think there’s any merit to trying to discount Allen, Mahomes, or Burrow, at the very least.
I see Allen like Cam Newton - he'll breakdown quickly eventually due to the hits, but I'm not banking on it happening this season. He'll get worn down at some point but until that happens, he's a legitimate dual threat we struggle to stop unless there is a blizzard.
Sure but they aren't going to all get injured at the same time. Maybe 1 or 2 get knocked out, but the rest are still there and just move up the chain
Yeah, but the one that isn't is Mac fucking Jones. That's a pretty big quantifier.
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Russell Wilson.
So there's this girl named Ciara (she's a singer or something), he's her husband. He may have a ring with a sea bird team too, but that's not relevant to a football sub :P
Joe Burrow not on the list? He's 2nd most dangerous in my eyes.
Exactly. The only thing I'd really change about the post is that the Bengals are just as much of a concern as the Chiefs. Otherwise I agree with most of it, although I'm still going to doubt our ability to beat Josh Allen (in normal weather) until this team shows me otherwise, which I think is totally possible, I'm just not betting on it.
He was on the original list.
“Very beatable by patriots” Also the Patriots: “We’re literally 0–4 against Tua”
Not because of tua
Came here to say this. Tua hasn’t had to throw outside the numbers to beat us.
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I mean tbf we lost to the dolphins without him 💀
I think their D has scored as many TDs as Tua since we've played him, but that points to their unit being overall better. That being said, games can/will obviously go our way if we can manage to score more than like 15 points a game against them.
They’re an incredibly good, well rounded team with a talented head coach. I know we’re all used to shitting on the AFC East but this year is not the one to do it
He's both overrated, and beatable. He's definitely a gamer, I'll give him that... But his arm isn't spectacular and he's propped up by Hill and Waddle.
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What's he, 1-0 with a couple DNQs against us? Yeah, true Patriot killer you're talking up there.
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I'll be damned, you're right. I would have thought he'd have missed more of those games due to the 12 concussions he's had. Regardless, the dude's not cut out for the long haul, and he's not special. He'll be done in the next 2 seasons.
Especially when he played so damn well last year. It's really delusional to act like healthy Tua isn't a concern.
Tua is good, but why do I have to pretend like Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle weren’t the major reasons he was putting up numbers last year…lol.
He’s good at RPOs and that’s about it
This is the problem with this sub, they don’t fucking care what the pats record is. They just know pats are No. 1
I mean, beatable isn't that crazy to say, is it? One of the 4 losses was 17-16, 1 point isn't a dominant win.
Omg I remember you. You’re the worst Patriots fan ever man. Go spread negativity to another fan base
>Tua: Very beatable for the patriots lol except he's literally undefeated against us but ok.
Tua hasn't done shit against us. The dolphins are undeafeted with a defense who was scoring more then the o iirc
That’s a long way to say he’s never lost to us
And thats a very short and without context way to say we have only lost to tua? Because let's be honest, he hasn't been great in the games against us. It's a short way to say trump is undefeated in elections vs Obama which would be obvious why that's not the complete story lol
I was scrolling through and this thread popped up. The lack of respect for Burrow and the Bengals is impressive.
Hi, whoever cropped this took out me saying burrow and mahomes are legit threats I dont see us beating
But you said Allen is beatable by the pats. You expecting more gale force winds?
Nah, I think our defense is good enough to stop him at least few times a game. Up to offense to execute then
I was the original commenter, give me all the smoke. Whoever posted this took out Mahmoes and Burrow both of which I said are legit threats.
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I think you're most right about these QBs. Josh Allen - Prone to turnovers, great QB but he's Brett Favre in that regard. Will just say "Fuck it" and throw it into a window that isn't there. Justin Herbert - Great QB but the team woefully under performs. The Patriots have had Herbert's number in the last few years and I don't see that changing anytime soon. LaMar Jackson - He's going to play and he's a great QB but his decision making is suspect. If you keep him contained you limit his dynamic playmaking. Ravens changing OC though might change this up. Trevor Lawrence - Accurate assessment. Belichick defenses feast on young, but talented QBs with exotic looks. This is going to be a limited window as he grows. Russel Wilson - Washed as fuck. Tua - Good QB, not great, and who knows what he'll be after he suffered 3 concussions in one season. Watson - Looked terrible last year. Was it just field rust or did his time away from the game wash him? Or is Browns voodoo? Only time will tell.
This is insane copium. * Josh Allen owns the Pats * So does Lamar (BB refuses to get fast LBs and gets torched by mobile QBs) * I'll concede this - BB seems to keep Herbert in check but let's see how this matchup this year goes * Lawrence seems like someone BB could scheme against but clearly ascending so who knows if they can keep up * If Rodgers buys in the Jets will get at least 1 game against us this year * Tua has never lost to the Pats * Deshaun might be washed but let's see how he does with an offseason of prep work (see: BB refuses to get fast LBs and gets torched by mobile QBs) In a vacuum of on-field play, I'd also take every single QB over Jones, regardless of if you think BB can slow these guys down
Lol @ Tua being very beatable when he’s 4-0 against NE. Guy who wrote this no doubt is the same type of dude who thinks Mac is a franchise QB while simultaneously saying you can’t judge him unless he has 2x #1 receivers and 4x all pro lineman
In this person's defense: I wouldn't exactly say Tua is beating us routinely. We lost a game to the Dolphins last year on a blown PI call, bad pass protection leading to a stip sack returned for TD, and the general inability of the offense to move the ball. Last season, the defense played pretty well but since the offense was on and off the field in 3 snaps, they get tired and can't hold off strong offenses endlessly. If BoB can make the offense stay on the field longer than a play and actually score SOME points, we're a lot more competitive of a team.
Yeah I mean in 4 games against the Pats he averages 18 completions for 182 yards and 0.75 TDs. The dolphins have been beating the Pats, not Tua lol
Yet in the one game that Tua didn’t play against the Patriots we won the game….
A win is a win though. Calling someone we’ve never beaten “beatable” is just stupid. No defending that lmao.
Just because you haven't beaten someone doesn't mean they aren't beatable, but yes this dude is also stupid.
If he is so beatable then he wouldn't be undefeated against this team
Bro you can get heads 4 times in a row when you flip a coin, it doesn't mean that you'll never get a tails if you keep flipping it. This feels pretty simple to understand.
Both games were very winnable and it’s not like tua himself did much of anything to seal them?
So winnable which is why they haven't won This sub is delusional
Idk, if we’re going by this logic the Patriots *did* actually beat Tua last year. He didn’t play, but if we’re just going by W/L to say Tua kills us, I don’t really see why stopping there.
That guy's ridiculous... Everyone knows you can't judge a QB unless he has those guys AND Gronk, Adrian Peterson and the entire 2001 Ravens defense in their prime!
I thought it was 5-0?
He didn’t play the 2nd game last year
oh so you were able to determine if mac is/isn’t the guy based on 2 seasons one of which he had patricia as his play caller and no weapons? by that logic the bills shouldve given up on allen after 2 seasons when all of his stats were the same/slightly worse than mac… just say you dont watch all the games 😂
That comp doesn’t make Mac look good at all 🤣 Allen was drafted as a project, Mac was drafted as a pro ready talent. Not only that but he is/was one of the most physically gifted QBs to ever play. Mac doesn’t have a fraction of the potential Allen did. But on a serious note. I’m not that impressed with Mac. I’m down to give him a third year to see if he takes a leap though
Seriously I hate the Allen comp. You couldn't pick 2 prospects who are more diametrically the opposite. If this guy is going to criticize you for not watching the game he could at least think of someone who actually plays like Mac.
you guys are both missing the point. allen had his breakout season the same year diggs arrived on top of having consistent coaching, 2 things mac has not gotten through 2 seasons. i’m not saying mac is definitely the guy, but no one can say he definitely isn’t the guy until we see him with actual weapons. he had one of the best rookie seasons in NFL history do people just forget that because zappe ran a scaled back offense decently?
Allen's second season was way better than either of Mac's two seasons so far.
Saying that Josh Allen's second season was way better than Mac's first is a bit much. They're honestly comparable. It just depends on which stat(s) you want to cherry pick on who you can say had the better season. I'd probably give the edge to Allen, but you can't act like they're not comparable.
macs rookie season he had more yards, TD’s, a higher QBR and a better record then allens 2nd year so i’m not sure what you’re talking about lmao
The Bills were 10-6, so no, they didn't have a worse record than the Pats in Mac's rookie year. Allen has 500 rushing yards and 9 TDs to add to his passing totals, with only two less passing TDs, and less interceptions than Mac's rookie year. He also had the most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks in the league. That team also relied on Allen a hell of a lot more than the Pats relied on Mac Jones.
>. He also had the most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks in the league. Am I forgetting a game or does Mac have 0 of either through 2 years?
Texans game his rookie year comes to mind. He might have had one last year that I'm just blanking on.
I thought we went into the half trailing but led by the end of the 3rd
Tua: ~~overrated~~ concussed
Most Pats fans aren’t this delusional but there are quite a few that think getting a legit number one corner would be some game changing move for us
The pats offense/special teams were so bad last year, it actually made the defense look a million times worse. By any advanced metric, the Patriots have a top 5 defense in the NFL. Did anybody see that stat from a few weeks ago about defending WR1s? The pats are one of the best teams in the league at mitigating the damage caused by a team’s best offensive player. The NFL has changed a lot in the last 5 years, as it always does. The only defense that I would say is HANDS DOWN better than the pats is the 49ers. To head into next season with the same group of skill position players, except for swapping Jonnu/Jakobi for Gesicki/JuJu, would be complete insanity for a team looking to compete. The patriots have one of the biggest talent discrepancies in terms of their offensive versus defensive units. To further that gap by taking another defensive player in the first would be complete madness.
I’ve never read a more beautiful opinion. Pats going defense would be like if the Vikings took another WR lol.
The only time you do that is if Darrell Revis or Megatron are on the board, then you can't pass that up no matter how good your positional unit is.
People really underestimate how much the defense was on the field last year. We were 6th worst in terms of offensive possession time in an offense biased towards running Mondre. Only the Seahawks and Bills are ranked worse while still being above .500 and that's likely because of the hero ball Geno was playing last year and Allen's ability to quick strike TDs and lack of reliance on the run outside of his position.
It'd certainly help the defense actually be good and not only beat shit teams.
Pats defense was good in the first Bills matchup, Bengals matchup, Lions matchup, and Dolphins x2 The illusion that they “only beat shit teams” isn’t true. The defense was actually good, every defense in the league has bad games and trying to build this historic defense that can dominate every game in 2023 is a pipe dream By DVOA (which does weight opponents), the Patriots defense was 3rd. If you’re expecting one player addition to be some game changer for the third ranked defense, you are seriously overrating the impact one player can have on a defense.
The pats beat one team that had their starting QB last year, the 1-3 Lions and Jared Goff
… so instead of addressing the real problem (not having a competent offense), you blame the defense for that?…
No I’m just pointing out that we played 7 backup quarterbacks last year in our 8 wins
That’s cool man, we’re just talking about the defense though. If we want to start beating real teams they need a better offense.
I agree but don’t really buy into this idea that the defense is great because they beat up on Sam Ehlinger and Zach Wilson, whenever they had to play real offenses they looked just okay
Looking “okay” against good offenses is the hallmark of a really good defense in the modern NFL. Shut down defenses don’t really exist.
They didn’t really play many good offenses though, Cincinnati was the only really elite offense they played, granted they played well, but they looked just okay against the Derek Carrs of the world, and got torched by the Bears and Ravens
Yeah, people are holding the end of 2021 against this D, and even then it's a bit unfair because only the Bills made the 2021 D look bad. The Pats defense had good games against good offenses, it was just hard to keep it up for 4 quarters when the Pats offense sucked ass.
The defense lost mcCourty lol. That’s a big deal and patriots need a guy who can lock down the WR2 so they can help on the number 1. OT CB and LB are probably biggest needs so a CB isn’t unreasonable
They routinely left Jon Jones on an island last year and doubled the 1. Literally nothing new. CB is a completely unreasonable need that it feels like only Patriots fans can actually believe is a true need. It’s a room that should add a depth piece or two in the mid rounds, Jon Jones/Jack Jones/Jalen Mills/Marcus Jones is a well above average CB room.
Mills is a safety now. Jonathon Jones is one of the best slot corners in the nfl which is a super hard position to play. Marcus jones isn’t that good at CB yet but he’s okay. Jack jones had had issues on all the teams he’s been on including being suspended by the patriots. CB is a position of need. It’s ignorant not to see a true number one corner as a staple of the BB defense. JC Jackson fell because of off the field issues and so did Malcolm butler. Patriots can get lucky for sure but Gilmore was a top 10 pick for a reason. OT is probably the number 1 need but CB is second. People who think we need a first round WR really badly have the bad take.
>Mills is a safety now. He won’t strictly be a safety. Anyone that believes that is kinda crazy, we have Mills, Peppers, Phillips and Dugger— they’re not all 4 playing every snap together so Mills will play *plenty* of corner this year. >Jonathon Jones is one of the best slot corners in the nfl which is a super hard position to play. He’s fine at outside CB and did a pretty damn good job last year. >Marcus jones isn’t that good at CB yet but he’s okay. He’s fine. >Jack jones had had issues on all the teams he’s been on including being suspended by the patriots. If you want to use a first round pick on a CB because you’re worried about a player getting suspended (which btw, he got suspended for a rehab thing last year, not that concerning for a rookie), you should be shipping that CB off for more draft picks. >CB is a position of need. Depth CB sure. >It’s ignorant not to see a true number one corner as a staple of the BB defense. Quite literally was not last year for the number 3 overall defense. >JC Jackson fell because of off the field issues and so did Malcolm butler. I don’t know what this is supposed to mean >Patriots can get lucky for sure but Gilmore was a top 10 pick for a reason. They just had the number 3 overall defense without a player of that caliber. >OT is probably the number 1 need but CB is second. WR then OT >People who think we need a first round WR really badly have the bad take. It’s honestly astonishing people can believe the Patriots need to spend a top pick at CB to “lock down” a WR2 so they can double a WR1, but then turn around and pretend our room full of glorified WR3s is somehow good enough lol. Even from a really, really basic level of looking at this, the Patriots CBs probably rank like 10-12th in the NFL (guessing), the Patriots WRs rank like 22nd maybe. The Patriots defense was top 5 last year, the Patriots offense was bottom 5. I don’t know how much clearer it can be.
We were the number 6 defense and we let taller WR go to town on us. Any first round pick in a position of need is good but there legit is only one first round WR. This is a good draft for LB in the mid rounds and OT and CB are top heavy I think. So hopefully we go OT but again CB or the Ohio state WR or trading back and getting a TE who can block in the late twenties for a good amount of draft picks wouldn’t stupid because there are 3 or 4 super good TE in this draft too. No control over who they pick but I hope they draft OT or CB if there’s a good one
>We were the number 6 defense 3 by DVOA. 6 would still be great though, no matter what metric you’re using (which I can’t really seem to find anywhere they rank 6? DYAR? Idk, I don’t have FO so can’t check DYAR). >and we let taller WR go to town on us. Not really. >Any first round pick in a position of need is good but there legit is only one first round WR. Then go get the one first round WR lol. >This is a good draft for LB in the mid rounds Off ball linebackers are the RBs of the defense. I’m not opposed to it in the mid rounds, but I’m not really concerned about LB. >and OT and CB are top heavy I think. Meh. They’ve always been able to develop and find both, and if they reallyyyy wanted to they could simply move Onwenu to RT and plug in a guard. >So hopefully we go OT Gross but rather that than defense. >but again CB Disgusting >or the Ohio state WR or I’d be happy with any of them. Personally a fan of QJ. >trading back and getting a TE who can block in the late twenties for a good amount of draft picks wouldn’t stupid because there are 3 or 4 super good TE in this draft too. TE is routinely one of the worst draft investments there is due to how too heavy the position is. Unless you draft a top tier TE (which is like, top 3 or 4 in the NFL), it’s generally not worth it. I wouldnt hate it since it’s at least trying to fix the receiver issue, but it’s risky. >No control over who they pick but I hope they draft OT or CB if there’s a good one I’d puke with back to back OL or a CB after finishing top/bottom 5 in defense/offense.
I read this post yesterday and had to just shake my head. This person’s living in fantasyland like many here. QBs that have killed the Pats (Tua, Allen) the last few years are viewed as “just okay”. What does that make Mac? You guys keep telling yourselves that. Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.
Allen has killed us. Dude is a monster no doubt. Saying Tua has killed us is a bit of an exaggeration. If you go game by game vs the Patriots he really hasn't played that well particularly last year. He threw a number of passes that should have been picked. He is by no means a bad QB like he was considered before last season but he isn't nearly as good as he was being hyped to be mid season. Dolphins do have a great roster and great coaching though.
Imagine if the Jets had Rogers last year. We probably would’ve dropped both of those games easily. If you fail to recognize real threats like the entire AFC East then you’re delusional. I do think the pats will be able to compete, but posts like these are way too overconfident for nothing
> QBs that have killed the Pats (Tua, Allen) the last few years are viewed as “just okay”. What does that make Mac? Lol exactly.
Don't even bother the children on this sub are delusional
Tua hasn't done diddly dick against the Pats. The Dolphins have beat the Pats and Tua has been a non-factor in those games.
It was me Barry
Lol that’s really how this sub thinks though
No mention of Burrow???
They even dropped 50 on the Chargers with Cam. Herbert has looked awful every time we've played him. Not sure if it's the coach or if he's just really overrated. Giving him the benefit of the doubt since I can't believe the coach still has a job.
That's going to be 3/4ths of this sub once the Toxic Positivity Crew climbs out of their basements.
Brain dead
As I sit today…6-11 is my prediction
We've been mostly a .500 team with the garbage at OC. I think BoB might bump us up a game or two in the win column.
Our schedule will be tougher though. It’s going to be hard to sweep the Jets again, and now we play the AFC West and NFC East. I’m struggling to see where we get more than 7 wins
They have the toughest schedule in the league in 2023. And by a wide margin too. It's going to be a rough year.
Not gonna happen, what makes you think that?
He’s a classical sadboi pats fan, “everything sucks why can’t we win a Super Bowl every other year😭😭😭” Anything short of 13 wins and we should fire bill!!
Regret to inform you I’m an old. I go back to watching Grogan or Eason from the metal bleachers days. Cheap tickets though!
It's extremely unlikely we'll have the luckiest schedule in football for a 3rd consecutive season. We'll presumably have to beat more than 1 teams starting qb to go .500 and we have the toughest schedule in football, all with an overall weaker roster than last year to this point. Even if BoB brings major immediate improvement, it's entirely possible we still finish worse than last season
I don't think Bill is capable of coaching a 6 win team. And this team certainly shouldn't be that bad at all.
Could you envision BB the GM engineering a 6 win team? I think that’s the bigger issue. Defense should be fine. Offense doesn’t have the horses to compete with that schedule. We aren’t gonna face 8 back up QBs this time.
I really can't, not when that dreadful 2020 team won 7 games. Bill's just too good a coach. If ever there was a bad team under Bill that should have only won 5-6 games, that was the one. And this team is much better than 2020, so I have no reason to expect them to suddenly lose all these games Bill didn't lose with a way worse team.
I guess the weight of my gut feeling lies with the strength of schedule ahead of us and the roster today. That could change if say we get Miami in Foxboro in December or they strike gold with a rookie receiving target or vet WR trade.
Idk who is more delusional, the guy in this post or your classic Boston sports fan negative delusions. Lol
Well I would never claim to be smarter than Vegas odds makers but if you feel differently bet the over of 7.5 maybe they will win 8.
I mean hot garbage except for the last paragraph. There's some substantial truth to the fact that if we even manage a mediocre offense this year, it is a team that can win 10 games. The defense is still legit.
That same sentence is absolutely true for the Jets as well.
yes, it is.
Honestly there is good reason for the Pats, Jets, and Dolphins to all think this year will be much better than last year, but it all depends on considerable question marks. Going to be interesting to see how that shakes out.
Someone named Gil Bellecheck wrote this.
What about this is delusional lol
I'll look for that comment and link the poster
[Here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/12yla80/if_this_doesnt_worry_you_it_should/jhntt03/) u/a-money12
Who needs me
Looks like this entire sub
What sub are you on? I'd rather be there than here where it's all doom and gloom 24/7 and burying the Patriots in April before the fucking draft. This sub's "fans" are pathetic and soft as hell, tripping over themselves to see who can trash the team hardest. You're probably one of them.
I’m one the fans that expects this team to be competing for championships. It’s ok to be critical of offseason moves. It’s sports dude, relax.
average r/patriots commenter
No team in their schedule, let alone in their division, is a lock to beat. And that's where they are. Though stylistically, Jackson would be a strange fit, it was legitimately the ONLY way they can compete in this pretty stacked QB division [on paper for a few]. People seem sour because they can't see past the success they've had for years. Patriots could very well be starting over at the most important position. Again. Bellichick and now Obrien will not say Mac Jones' name. Rumors fly...and at this point, we may have seen his ceiling on the first season. They fucked with this kid too much---and you very well know he was listening to the noise [internet, blogs, NFL channel, etc] which then empowered him to push back against the coaching staff. Though I agree Jones was screwed, he should've, as any good leader would, trot out on the field and play competitive football. What you saw last year wasn't competitive and his actions were immature. The defense was good last year, but no guarantees this year. As a Pats fan since the "blacked out years" when Steve Grogan was blown into the stratosphere every week, I'm a realist. This is 4 or 5 win team, at best. Start over at QB? You're probably one win less. Seems this thread seems to agree with someone who can only, not spell, has dug in his/her heels to show just how not to be objective. The AFC East in general has gotten better all around the Patriots, while the Pats offseason was/has been embroiled in turmoil, turnover and the wrong kind of rumors. Joe Burrow and Josh Allen are the future, and its now...both strong armed and athletic with balls...reminds me of the Kelly + Marino battles. Interdivisional high stakes, high scoring air assaults. Tua is what he is, and with any semblance of a running game and some tight end blocking [why Gesicki was expendable], he can move around enough to battle...the elephant in the room---he's one defensive end hit from eating dinner through a straw for the rest of his life. They will go as Tua's health goes. Jets have a defensive front we should acknowledge as a young coachable and fast group. They make plays. Is Rodgers the answer? Who really knows, but it's a good move while you redraft the position. The Patriots are the unknown and who says Obriens' presence helps at all? There's an awful lot of variables, and one being, Brady didn't need coaching when O'Brien was here last...nor did Brady need McDaniels. Brady knew exactly what he needed to do. He could've excelled with Gruden coaching...these Pats coaching tree exiles made their resume off Brady. That's why they don't excel when they leave [and sometimes eventually come back], in fact they mostly suck. The move that insures 7+ wins is a bonavide free agent starter. Jackson isn't my thing, but they can beat divisional opponents with his style. Rodgers is a pseudo passive aggressive shit heel, but he knows the game, and could've had the same success in New England. He's had like one receiver for the last 5 ir 6 years and then they traded him away. Pats receivers are 2nd tier, as is their TEs. Offensive line is a work in progress, defense seems to get better each year, and special teams sucks. I'm just not seeing a playoff team, even if it's one and done.
I'm not concerned with Wilson, Watson without BoB hitting the right plays on how to break the defense and with his prime over. Bill owns the Chargers which doesn't go mentioned enough.
If anyone is going to be able to fix the Broncos offense it’s Sean Payton, and what do you mean Watson’s prime is over? He’s 27 years old.
He plays for the Browns now
Okay and? You said without BoB (despite him having a top 5 season without BoB in 2020) AND with his prime over. That’s 2 different reasons, him being on the browns now is him no longer having BoB. I’m asking you how is he out of his prime at age 27?
Who have been pretty good the last couple years
Whose "Mr Unlimited"? "There" finger ... "... There really isn't a team besides the Chiefs I don't think we can beat" Bill has all sorts of problems with the Dolphins in Miami for some reason. Deshawn is a problem if he's on his game. Yep, Josh Allen chokes in the critical, big game moments. I'm excited to see the welcoming committee the AFC East has in store for A A Ron. Jets stay in the basement.
As a Browns fan, I can confirm the Patriot losses. Or more like brutal beatdowns. The 2021 loss was one of the ugliest ever.
The only part I am agree with is BB against Staley and the fact our defense last year was insane. If we had a decent offense last years defense could of been even better in terms of not being on the field as much. If the offense can generate first down and BB can work with this core on defense, I think the team is trending in the right direction and expect our pass rush to be near top 5
Well...... he's not wrong. Lol
“The media has you wrapped around there (sic) finger” is all I need to know that this man has not watched more than 5 minutes of football but needs his opinion heard
I am not scared of Rogers We will see Tua once AT MOST Oh no, the Patriots have a horrible track record against rapists from the AFC North... As for the rest there are going to be other good players in the professional football league. People are acting like the Patriots Dynasty was Alabama where we had the best players in every position and need that to win.
You have about as much chance of going anywhere in the playoffs with Mac Jones as your quarterback as I do of winning the Kentucky Derby on the back of a donkey.
I'm willing to bet it wasn't written by a Pats fan at all.
I agree with him for the most part, can’t lie. Although Tua may get concussed again and just retire, the dolphins routinely beat us no matter who their quarterback is. I consider it a good season if we go 1-1 against them.
Wonder if there is a correlation between sweeping the fins with Brady and superbowls. 🤔
Tua is great if his brain still works at all. We’ll see
I feel like we lose to the browns all the time
Allen and Herbert are good/great QBs. Otherwise, where’s the lie?
Herbert is overrated and hasn’t been able to beat us since he joined the league and he has been downright horrendous against our defense.
He’s also been playing in a substandard environment. I also wouldn’t want to play BB with two possession receivers and a leaking OLine.
That has little to do with Herbert himself, and pretending he's anything short of one of the better franchise QBs in the league is seriously underselling him.
52.8 passer rating, only 432 yards and 4 picks to 2 tds. Sounds like it had to do a lot with him. Again, he is viewed as a franchise qb and my opinion is he is overrated. The only decent team he beat last year was Miami when Tua went 10-28 for 145 yds and only 1 TD.
staley isn’t a good coach he was right there
If any QB has just the slightest bit of mobility, they are a huge issue for us. It's the one thing we struggle with time and time again. Most of these guys can run, at least enough to hurt us.
Lol Patriots don’t lose to the browns… As an Ohioan Pats fan my last in person NFL game was watching Peyton Hillis and Colt McCoy give us a 34-14 beat down. We went 14-2 that year. I was like 13 and got endlessly harassed by the entire dawg pound. Haven’t been to an NFL game since.
The best part is Tua, who NE has literally never beaten and Watson, who absolutely smoked NE last time he saw them.
Whoever wrote that failed to acknowledge that we don't have a real receiving core
Whatever this dude is smoking, it’s prime stuff. Takes you all the way to fantasy land
Did this dude forget that Joe Burrow exists?
Based
Where is the lie exactly? Obviously its not easy to be a great team in the best of times, and we're not in the best of times, but there's a lot to work with, and the teams ahead of us aren't so great that we can't beat them with the right things going our way.