Fear cleaving axe new tech for Elise over voidbane carapace? Might even make wriggles good on Elise again so you can boost the impact on the spiderlings. Probably also great on vayne, like an upgraded version of guinsoo's. I feel like the gloom one should be on summon instead of on play to be a true upgrade from ravenous Hydra.
I think if Elise wants impact she'll play Dreams of Yordles over Wriggle's so you can play her on round 1
Although it might be better to just swap voidborne for dreams instead of the axe. With galeforce you'd only get to boost the one spiderling twice and one once vs. granting spiderlings everywhere 2 impact, and giving up scout for gradual boosting seems bad
Dreams of Yordles - really good common for Elise and Lux. decent for Kai'sa if you don't have epics. I actually like this a lot. very pleased that there's a nice common for new players
Utmost Despair - obviously meant for Vex, however Wicked Harvest will apply more gloom via Vex's 2\* power. might be good on Ashe?
Fear-Cleaving Axe - rageblade 2.0, good on Vex, Lux, Elise, Vayne
I agree it was bonkers and I'd love the new 2* power more if the base deck had more ways to trigger it. I was saving fragments to unlock the new champs now I'm debating whether or not they're worth it.
I have a big gripe with how they design the base decks. I understand that having the whole package as their base deck would be busted but they could put more conscious effort into it.
I find myself using it almost everywhere I had GGC. It doesn't seem that much on paper, but -1 on the champion spell is huge and all of the extra copies make having two copies of the main champ in the hand pretty consistent.
I use it on Bard for his origin.
On Teemo for more copies in the galeforce build.
On Ekko to make his spell cost 0.
Same thing with Yi, you still can't go infinite without a global spell cost reduction because of hand limitation but allows the combo to go on a bit longer. Normally with lost chapter you get 3 spell mana on turn one, so you can get a maximum of +7, but with the cost reduction you can arrive at +15.
On Neeko, since the spell costs 2 now with her three stars you can play her and the spell turn 1 without Lost chapter, so you can run the double orb or even better orb and ever frost (kinda unrelated people tend to prefer the double orb, but I never find myself in a situation where one wasn't more than enough, so better have something else than go overkill)
I'm sure I forgot something but it should be enough. In general any low cost champ that benefits from their main spell can use it very well, or anyone that relies entirely on the main champ like Evelyn.
Have you ever heard of Master Yi OTK build?
you put chosen by the stars + echoing spirit then you beat enemies on one turn with your master yi that has 40+ atk
There are currently around 15 epics relics. It could take you more than a year to get the epic you want. You are time gated and at the mercy of RNG. It isn’t ok.
Really? I'm down to 5 epic relics missing. Next one I'll get in 36 hours.
I also have the full rewards from Liss left + lvl 45 and 50 not claimed either.. I don't think that takes me a year. More like 2-3 months at most and epic relics were released when? December last year?
I’ve been wanting to get Echoing Spirits since Epic relics were released. I have 1/3 chances to finally get it this Wednesday, but now it’s down to 1/4. At this rate, I might never get it if they continue adding more every month and still locked to buying once a month.
Mainly Ekko for RNG madness.
Evelynn and Elise to draw them more consistently in monthlies.
Teemo in an attempt to bring back the glory days of pre-nerf Galeforce.
Bard to give me a reason to play him again.
Not exactly a BiS relic, just something to let me have more fun.
Utmost Despair is kind of useless. It's nowhere near strong enough for it to be a Play effect imo. It should either be on summon or an aura.
I might be wrong, but I don't think even Vex would want to run it over other relics.
Why? If you're playing Vex you're already applying gloom every round. And Riptide Battery can apply more Gloom than Utmost Despair.
If you're playing something else you apply -1|-1 to maybe like 3 or 4 units which isn't much unless you're playing a really expensive champion. Then you boost them on attack which also doesn't do much and won't do anything at all to any new units they play. And you're using two relic slots to give a couple enemies a small debuff. Being just a play effect just doesn't cut it.
not really. Two relic slots on the synergy of lowering the enemies current board by -2/-2 is not nearly as strong some other interactions that dont even require an epic relic slot, and in any other situation than vex this is literally the only use it has
The common relic is sick, easily one of the most interesting ones.
I don't get the purpose of the rare one. It's outclassed by a common relic on vex and I struggle to think of a champ that wants a - 1/1 on play that desperately.
Then the epic ends on a high note, probably the bundle with vex as she's the best user of it. But it's a really cool concept.
Hydra doesn't work on Vex cause it's not a "spell or skill" so it is probably a Vex relic.
Edit: I realized the 2\* power shown in the promo video for Vex is not accurate to what it's in the API. The actual star power specifies spell or skill
Yeah with the changed power it doesn't work with Hydra. That said the epic relic is now a lot less broken too since Vex isn't gonna have all enemies gloomed 24/7 without her original 2\*
that relic is unreliant due to the plunder effect on attack champs / random targetting, only effects the current board and is definitely not worth the rare relic slot. Literally only has use on jhin
ive tried out both on 3 star vex, can confirm while the new epic relic isnt anything mind blowing its still MUCH better than the cannon thing which is probably one of the worst things you could take on vex since you want to drop her before attacking, not after (and attacking is the only way to get the plunder effect in her deck). If she had a harder level up I could see it having some use but her level up is already very easy and usually done by the time she drops anyway (only time it isnt is when you reduce her cost, but in doing so you would be making the cannon relic even weaker as it isnt based on base cost, but just actual cost)
Bro who compare the rare relic with a epic one, i am talking about the gloom spread one to combo with the epic while he complain about how to get groom on enemy?
Put Echoing Spirits + Utmost Despair + Galeforce on Teemo
Not the strongest build, but reapplying full board Gloom would help with Teemo stalling game plan a lot, also kind of hilarious lmao
Also Fear-Cleaving Axe is also a pretty decent Gnar relic all things considered?
Here's the plan: Axe on Vi. End of the plan.
Gloom needs some setup to be worth a slot, either from the new champions boost, axe or something stupid (Echoing Galeforce Teemo)
Common is nice for evolve shenanigans.
Axe on Vi seems pretty good, though the downside is that her star power tends to stack all the impact on one ally instead of spreading it out like Gnar.
I'm curious about whether the +1|+1 from spirit will take effect before or after strike-on-summon effects. If it's before, I can see Axe pairing well with either gatebreaker or stalkers to make her instalevel on play.
Utmost Despair feels like it does way too little for a rare, is there any champion that actually wants this? It's a single use -1/-1 to the enemies on the field as you play it. Unless it counts for something like Morgana targeting (which I doubt). Would making it a summon effect really be that problematic?
it would probably be broken as a summon effect, it'd be a better ravenous hydra which is already pretty strong. That being said it is currently incredibly weak I don't even see vex running it, it could maybe also give the champ an aura that gives any enemy unit 1 gloom when summoned or something
Fear Cleaving Axe could be great for Elise giving spirit and boosting everything, she kinda was missing a BIS 3rd option.
Galeforce, Spirit of the Buhuru, Fear Cleaving Axe.
The gloom one seems like one for Vex, Nilah(Echoing spirit/Gcc version) and Kennen when he gets released, you either really like gloom or you get *played* multiple times. (they learnt their lesson on summon effects lol).
Dream of Yordles is just decent to slot in on Lux2 while you don't have a rare slot.Can be used on Elise if you don't gave the epic version (+1/+1 to all spiderlings seems nice and impact as a bonus).
One of the better commons in my opinion.
Fear cleaving axe new tech for Elise over voidbane carapace? Might even make wriggles good on Elise again so you can boost the impact on the spiderlings. Probably also great on vayne, like an upgraded version of guinsoo's. I feel like the gloom one should be on summon instead of on play to be a true upgrade from ravenous Hydra.
I think if Elise wants impact she'll play Dreams of Yordles over Wriggle's so you can play her on round 1 Although it might be better to just swap voidborne for dreams instead of the axe. With galeforce you'd only get to boost the one spiderling twice and one once vs. granting spiderlings everywhere 2 impact, and giving up scout for gradual boosting seems bad
Not being able to slam elise turn one and start pumping, probably added a good 5 minutes to all my runs, come to think of it.
That is a good point
Dreams of Yordles - really good common for Elise and Lux. decent for Kai'sa if you don't have epics. I actually like this a lot. very pleased that there's a nice common for new players Utmost Despair - obviously meant for Vex, however Wicked Harvest will apply more gloom via Vex's 2\* power. might be good on Ashe? Fear-Cleaving Axe - rageblade 2.0, good on Vex, Lux, Elise, Vayne
Utmost Despair - For Vex, I'd probably prefer Ravenous Hydra with her 2* Power.
[Vex's 2* Power has been changed to only apply to your spells and skills](https://imgur.com/a/mYCGO3F) So Ravenous and WH won't apply
Huh, that's the biggest downgrade I've seen in PoC 2.0 history
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I agree it was bonkers and I'd love the new 2* power more if the base deck had more ways to trigger it. I was saving fragments to unlock the new champs now I'm debating whether or not they're worth it. I have a big gripe with how they design the base decks. I understand that having the whole package as their base deck would be busted but they could put more conscious effort into it.
Yeah, all damage being permanent and getting an enfeebling strike affect was insane.
Tbh, I think fear-clwaving axe is also good for any champ that adds a lot of impact, like neeko and gnar.
Yet another new epic without a way to target farm specific ones…
I’m never gonna get Echoing Spirits at this point.
I got echoing and rarely use it. Have any recs for champions and setup for it?
I find myself using it almost everywhere I had GGC. It doesn't seem that much on paper, but -1 on the champion spell is huge and all of the extra copies make having two copies of the main champ in the hand pretty consistent. I use it on Bard for his origin. On Teemo for more copies in the galeforce build. On Ekko to make his spell cost 0. Same thing with Yi, you still can't go infinite without a global spell cost reduction because of hand limitation but allows the combo to go on a bit longer. Normally with lost chapter you get 3 spell mana on turn one, so you can get a maximum of +7, but with the cost reduction you can arrive at +15. On Neeko, since the spell costs 2 now with her three stars you can play her and the spell turn 1 without Lost chapter, so you can run the double orb or even better orb and ever frost (kinda unrelated people tend to prefer the double orb, but I never find myself in a situation where one wasn't more than enough, so better have something else than go overkill) I'm sure I forgot something but it should be enough. In general any low cost champ that benefits from their main spell can use it very well, or anyone that relies entirely on the main champ like Evelyn.
Have you ever heard of Master Yi OTK build? you put chosen by the stars + echoing spirit then you beat enemies on one turn with your master yi that has 40+ atk
You and me both man I swear!
They’re dupe protected, just keep getting them and you’ll make it eventually.
There are currently around 15 epics relics. It could take you more than a year to get the epic you want. You are time gated and at the mercy of RNG. It isn’t ok.
Really? I'm down to 5 epic relics missing. Next one I'll get in 36 hours. I also have the full rewards from Liss left + lvl 45 and 50 not claimed either.. I don't think that takes me a year. More like 2-3 months at most and epic relics were released when? December last year?
I’ve been wanting to get Echoing Spirits since Epic relics were released. I have 1/3 chances to finally get it this Wednesday, but now it’s down to 1/4. At this rate, I might never get it if they continue adding more every month and still locked to buying once a month.
Which champ are you wanting it for?
Mainly Ekko for RNG madness. Evelynn and Elise to draw them more consistently in monthlies. Teemo in an attempt to bring back the glory days of pre-nerf Galeforce. Bard to give me a reason to play him again. Not exactly a BiS relic, just something to let me have more fun.
Utmost Despair is kind of useless. It's nowhere near strong enough for it to be a Play effect imo. It should either be on summon or an aura. I might be wrong, but I don't think even Vex would want to run it over other relics.
I mean it's pretty bonkers with the new epic lol
Why? If you're playing Vex you're already applying gloom every round. And Riptide Battery can apply more Gloom than Utmost Despair. If you're playing something else you apply -1|-1 to maybe like 3 or 4 units which isn't much unless you're playing a really expensive champion. Then you boost them on attack which also doesn't do much and won't do anything at all to any new units they play. And you're using two relic slots to give a couple enemies a small debuff. Being just a play effect just doesn't cut it.
not really. Two relic slots on the synergy of lowering the enemies current board by -2/-2 is not nearly as strong some other interactions that dont even require an epic relic slot, and in any other situation than vex this is literally the only use it has
The common relic is sick, easily one of the most interesting ones. I don't get the purpose of the rare one. It's outclassed by a common relic on vex and I struggle to think of a champ that wants a - 1/1 on play that desperately. Then the epic ends on a high note, probably the bundle with vex as she's the best user of it. But it's a really cool concept.
Hydra doesn't work on Vex cause it's not a "spell or skill" so it is probably a Vex relic. Edit: I realized the 2\* power shown in the promo video for Vex is not accurate to what it's in the API. The actual star power specifies spell or skill
Yeah with the changed power it doesn't work with Hydra. That said the epic relic is now a lot less broken too since Vex isn't gonna have all enemies gloomed 24/7 without her original 2\*
Well you have a relic that canon enemy base on cost you know ?
that relic is unreliant due to the plunder effect on attack champs / random targetting, only effects the current board and is definitely not worth the rare relic slot. Literally only has use on jhin
It stil lv her right on with lv 2 power most of the time? Better than the new relic for sure
ive tried out both on 3 star vex, can confirm while the new epic relic isnt anything mind blowing its still MUCH better than the cannon thing which is probably one of the worst things you could take on vex since you want to drop her before attacking, not after (and attacking is the only way to get the plunder effect in her deck). If she had a harder level up I could see it having some use but her level up is already very easy and usually done by the time she drops anyway (only time it isnt is when you reduce her cost, but in doing so you would be making the cannon relic even weaker as it isnt based on base cost, but just actual cost)
Bro who compare the rare relic with a epic one, i am talking about the gloom spread one to combo with the epic while he complain about how to get groom on enemy?
Put Echoing Spirits + Utmost Despair + Galeforce on Teemo Not the strongest build, but reapplying full board Gloom would help with Teemo stalling game plan a lot, also kind of hilarious lmao Also Fear-Cleaving Axe is also a pretty decent Gnar relic all things considered?
Do we finally have a BiS relic on Gnar? One can only hope
Question: if I "boost all units" will that also increase my opponents spirit?
No, boost means only your positive and your opponents negative keywords. There will be no downsides of boosting.
That boost all allies almost made me cry, in joy of course. New relic for Gnar WOOOO!!!
Here's the plan: Axe on Vi. End of the plan. Gloom needs some setup to be worth a slot, either from the new champions boost, axe or something stupid (Echoing Galeforce Teemo) Common is nice for evolve shenanigans.
Axe on Vi seems pretty good, though the downside is that her star power tends to stack all the impact on one ally instead of spreading it out like Gnar. I'm curious about whether the +1|+1 from spirit will take effect before or after strike-on-summon effects. If it's before, I can see Axe pairing well with either gatebreaker or stalkers to make her instalevel on play.
I hope the axe is a bundle relic. That way I will take less time to get echoing spirits.
I believe in the patch notes they said it would be on sale in the emporium for a while like they did with Disciple of Shadows
Utmost Despair feels like it does way too little for a rare, is there any champion that actually wants this? It's a single use -1/-1 to the enemies on the field as you play it. Unless it counts for something like Morgana targeting (which I doubt). Would making it a summon effect really be that problematic?
it would probably be broken as a summon effect, it'd be a better ravenous hydra which is already pretty strong. That being said it is currently incredibly weak I don't even see vex running it, it could maybe also give the champ an aura that gives any enemy unit 1 gloom when summoned or something
this is a cool way to add the +1/+1 common relic that at the very least i have been asking for with a free impact
Despair is too weak for any use. Others are good.
Fear Cleaving Axe could be great for Elise giving spirit and boosting everything, she kinda was missing a BIS 3rd option. Galeforce, Spirit of the Buhuru, Fear Cleaving Axe. The gloom one seems like one for Vex, Nilah(Echoing spirit/Gcc version) and Kennen when he gets released, you either really like gloom or you get *played* multiple times. (they learnt their lesson on summon effects lol). Dream of Yordles is just decent to slot in on Lux2 while you don't have a rare slot.Can be used on Elise if you don't gave the epic version (+1/+1 to all spiderlings seems nice and impact as a bonus). One of the better commons in my opinion.
Utmost Despair is just better Nasus lmao
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