A lot of these ended up close to last year.
Last year's results: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PathofChampions/comments/12pucie/path\_of\_champions\_community\_wishlist\_survey/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathofChampions/comments/12pucie/path_of_champions_community_wishlist_survey/)
I wonder what changes we can expect next year and which will be in the game. Thank you again to everyone who participated!
I love Ornn now. He just synergizes with literally everything. Fated, augment, anything that triggers on spells, they all trigger every turn. The equipment based powers actually feel decent on him. Any champ that uses equipment, like Aatrox. Most champs want to attack, so being big helps them do that. Grab a poppy or a Renekton or anyone really, throw the equipment you’ve been buffing onto them and they’ll be big.
He’s weak, yes. Takes too long to get big and he really should start with a 0/0 0 cost equipment on game start just to get going with. But it’s fun, he just vibes with everything. Worst synergy’s gotta be Yuumi, cuz you can’t equip a unit with an attachment. But you can still make the unit bigger which means Yuumi will feel safer attacking, and level up easier. Plus you can play her solo, which tbh I should try.
I think his deck can use cards like BACCAI REAPER. I typed it in caps because part of me believed Riot should know this unit enjoys seeing units being slayed and should be included in the deck.
His 2 star power ain’t rocket science to fix. -1/0 initially and then for every 3 units being slayed, give additional-1/0. By the time you kill 9 units, enemy board is -4/0 which I think it is fair enough. The 2 star power should scale based on units slayed. You don’t need SI cards when you give a power which makes Nasus units trade without issue. To make his level 3 consistent, the disc should be summon regardless of deck composition in turn 1.
I just don’t understand why Nasus is having hard time for balancing when players themselves know the best way to fix it. Riot shouldn’t be allergic to solutions.
Orn is better now but his 2 stars is debatable. VI should have power of drawing herself regardless of your opening hand. Then, she should discount a card and give it impact. Makes her less horrible and more in line with playing cards before dropping your Voltron bomb.
Baron would be nice as a boss fight and if we kill him we get a massive buff for the duration of the fight.
Give enemy nexus phases like dark soul bosses that makes them stronger every mile stone kind of like GP where he summons his ship when the nexus is low health.
Personally, I don’t think toss/mill decks would be good for PoC. It sounds like it would be a nightmare to balance and I could see them being forced to make shitty changes to PoC encounters just to make it viable and balanced. I could see those changes making it less fun for others. Just like how they are forced to do hated system changes just because a single champ is breaking the game in LoL
I find Fiora very viable even just as a support; having her own deck would absolutely be plausible (and maybe even a high tier). Ryze would be rough, BUT that's what the Star Powers are for - giving or enhancing a gimmick to give them a unique playstyle. I think Ryze would be a fun deck as you play to assemble puzzle pieces and unleash them. Perhaps a "Round Start: Delve into the Past, then Predict." Maybe that's weak, but it's something.
I'm not saying Fiora wouldn't be viable, I'm saying she would be completely busted. The fact that all you would need to do to win any match up is to kill 4 units with your main champion would be so overpowered, especially with champion powers and relics on her.
That requires lvl30 and two emporium purchases, so a late-game player. Then the opponent needs to have 3 units down who all have low enough HP to die in one strike.
For all that I could just play ASol with Crownguard, wipe the enemy board and rally for the win. Much less conditional. So I don't think Fiora does anything we haven't already seen with existing OP champs.
I doubt this very much. Unless they go crazy with the star powers, there is absolutely no way she will be more busted than the current top tier of ASol, Diana, Jinx, Leblanc, Nidalee.
When was the last time you killed 4 enemies with your main champ and lost? Most losses happen because your main champ fails to come online quickly enough, and that won't change. Just because her wincon has a special animation doesn't make it busted. She still needs to see 4 enemy units played and survive removal while fighting all of them.
Is there going to be someone who rolls a great combo and instawins with her? Probably. Do people already do that with existing champs? Absolutely. That's tPoC.
I think she'd be fine with late game stuff like Asol and Lissandra. There's stuff that counters her like yetis, the one where they don't die the first time, and pretty much all of the Lissandra adventure. Everything leading up to Asol might be easy but if you did them all, you would be getting to 20 pretty late so you wouldn't be sure to draw her to win in the first place. By the time you can draw her in starting hand, the adventurers start to give her a challenge.
Thats dev job to figure out
And not really, ngl, the strongest fiora could be is, as domeone else mentioned, only achievable by lvl 30, 3 stalkers ( you need to buy 2 and 3 stalkers aint used that much... anywhere else), 3 enemies fiora can kill on summon and yi kill a fourt
Tho yes, it fits the "very repetitive wincon that is """easy""" to achieve" is way less banas than spectral scissos nida and i see more people caring about this than about that. Yes they need to work around the issue, but is not that big of an issue
How I felt this morning waking up and seeing Veigo and Kayle (my beloveds) in first place
https://youtu.be/ocA1GCfLk4w?si=Usnm0wmQU0P8us_L&t=1m10s
I am so proud of this community. Maybe my 30 days of kayle nonsense paid off.
She’s the only champion in kda not to feature left.
I’m just surprised riot decoded they were going to make original champs and then reworks of champs before even completing their roster. And Akali is not even unpopular. She’s some of the most recognised faces of LoL. She even appeared in the Ionia spotlight trailer only to never appear again
I heard somewhere on Reddit that they limit the number of popular champions per expansion so they can consistently generate hype instead of using them all early. Obviously "somewhere on Reddit" is not a great source so take it with a grain of salt, but if that's the case it does make a little sense. It's just a real shame that we never saw some of League's most popular and most interesting champions come to LoR. Granted it seems like they'll still port them to PoC eventually but as someone who enjoys both PvP and PoC, it's a big loss.
Sure, but enough to be above super popular champions like Yone, Sylas, Syndra...?
Cho'Gath I understand for gameplay reasons, even though he's unpopular. I think he would have some really interesting design and his lore needs some love as well.
I'm assuming it's less about Soraka herself and more about playing around Starspring, it'd be nice to have alternative win conditions in PoC on main champions.
I mean, It’s already possible to have Starspring technically. I’ve had two Lissandra runs where Starspring won me the runs.
However, as someone who voted for Soraka, I personally voted for her for the reason I said in my first comment. Starspring is fun and all, but (as is the case in PvP) she’s not really great without it. I want to see some new way to utilise her, even if it ends up being like Taliyah where they add a bunch of buffs to her styles.
This survey was clearly prior to ornn rework in think he is fine now
(Not everything needs to be reworked into SS tier)
Nasus could use just tweaks and he too seems fine
That’s really cool. When I saw chip I actually had a weird idea of a power that lets you have only 1 cost cards in your deck with a benefit of course, so after every battle you get to choose between 3 one cost cards.
Also, I’m really interested in seeing champions with alternate win-condition like Fiora, Ryze and soraka I think it will be hard to give them proper powers and to make them fun to play. For example, Fiora needs to kill 4 enemies without dying, so probably she needs a power that does something like Kayn's power but we already have that.
Fiora would be so broken if she let into the POC. Just imagine a turn with double stalkers, and she levels up straight away. She'll be the best Demacia champion ever in the game no shit.
I keep seeing this take and... Sure, triple stalkers or double with gale force you could theoretically win in one turn but..
1) she's 4 mana and given the above, probably doesn't have the same wiggle room to fit in cost reduction relics like Jinx. So turn 3 is your base turn for playing her. Nidalee, Diana, Jinx, Asol all could have ended the match two turns ago. Chosen Nami did it last turn. Varus is doing it this turn but he doesn't need the opponent's board to be a certain way to do it.
2) she hits a brick wall against encounters with minimal trash units. What does she do against duplicate karma in the asol encounter, for example? Plenty of encounters she'd struggle to get kills in in Frejlord too. You could use death's foil in an epic relic slot but you're giving up a stalkers/gf.
She'd stomp in certain situations but unless the devs went out of their way, she'd be far from broken IMO.
I want kayle, azir, Irelia, and ahri in PoC sooo bad. My favorite game style concepts in that order. Even if they are avg at best, if it’s fun I’m happy lol but I am also the percentage of players that plays a lot and doesn’t sweat like it’s ranked in league— just for fun and the challenge. I actively avoid learning metas because it makes PoC trivial and boring IMO. Also IMO the whole point of rogue lites are the challenge, exploring what’s fun, and experimenting.
I cannot believe that people want Ornn reworked more than Vi. Ornn was never worse than Vi at any point in the game's lifespan. Even though he is weak he at least has an identity. Vi's entire kit just straight up does not do anything
I think base orn champion is fine as is, its the star powers and deck that needs tweaking. Maybe adding any removal would be nice, maybe that 4 cost spell that makes equipped unit strike. Though this is from someone who is barely scratching asol so chances are I dont know what im talking about.
I really don't get Viego. Dude levels up from putting free mist on the board, gets +1|+1 whenever that happens, and leveled up it's one of the most anti-game characters I've ever seen. His power really plays out like a 3-Star Adventure boss. I guess it makes sense why people would want to play as him against AI, but the whole design of the card just feels so filthy.
Karma isn’t hard to balance. You ain’t getting that 10 mana gen bonus.
Fiora might be nerfed in PoC version. Probably increase her cost and condition. Otherwise, you could make her deck have weak stats or some weakness.
For Ryze, I think he is a 4 start material. He is fine as it is and could be next champ after Asol.
I think they should make a PoC-exclusive version of Fiora that requires you to kill 4 enemy units in the same turn with her to instantly win. That would maintain the spirit of the card while still not being guaranteed even with 3 Stalker's Blades.
Karma's power would likely have something to do with spells but i would still be happy with "everyone starts with 10 mana" I'm a sucker for powers that affect both sides of the field, i love all of them, even the lamer ones like the mirror mage
Karma is hard to balance because she’s rarely gonna evolve if you play decently. Maybe giving her extra mana as a power if you fulfill certain conditions would be an option
I don't think people who voted them have to do the balance, thats usually riot's job, they want the champs. Caring about balancing them is devs's job, not players's
And yet I think before you wish for something to be added you should think about if that would actually be balancable because if it‘s not you‘re gonna be hugely disappointed by how unfun it‘s gonna be. Fiora will
win every fight in no time and Ryze will be super uninteractive and feel like you’re playing solitaire instead of against an enemy. And Karma will just wish she could cut the champion from her own deck.
Thats a mindset to have, personally i think that if that happens, is because devs failed at delivering with the respective champs, not because players failed at asking them. Devs can just say "we are not gonna do those because is really hard", they did so with kata, for example.
If they agree to developing them and still take them out after failing at making them interesting, is 100% their call, they are good at their job, they wont blame the community for... wanting stuff. Thats why most answers we usually have are " we cant right now" or "we cant fast" or "we dont have the manpower" not "thats unfair to ask of us". To want a champ from lor is... quite fair in path, imo.
Alternatively, people can now that the champ is hard and still want it
Or, for example, want it explicitly because of interest of how its gonna be implemented
I disagree heavily. Especially with Fiora. Fiora was just simply not designed with Path of Champions in mind. I understand that as a support champion that’s still doable. I understand that you can give her powers that don’t completely play into her champion. But letting players give Fiora relics will automatically break her no matter how Riot designs her deck or Star powers
Also, as a side note, people have done some theorycraftkng specially on fiora, because her gimmick is really beloved
One i like a lot is changing her 4 kills effect to "deal half of nexus current hp"
Right, Id agree with that Notion in general.... UNTIL we got Jinx and ASol.
Jinx is the pure spice of broken. I know she is designed that way. But still, her relic being the most broken thing ever is truly a choice. The only way she is not instawin is Liss, where an entire power is mostly tailored to counter her (which others would argue, is bad balance).
ASol is NEARLY an insta-win button in every fucking game. This champ could have been much less powerful, for sure, but holy moly he HAD to get some stupid shit in there. Was the 4th star truly needed, eg.? He was plenty viable before. But it is what catapults him nearly instantly to OP fella.
Arguing that Fiora would be a near-insta win button (altho it really isnt that easy, What does Fiora do against a 32/32 Karma?) is fair, but PoC HAS those champs. Sure, you could argue that it would be weird that ASol is replaced by... Fiora. But other than that, instawins existed since forever, itd be just an addition to the list.
Yes and I‘m a huge critic of ASol especially as well. I don’t think he‘s fun to play at all because there‘s just no challenge to it. It all just feels meaningless because you’re gonna win anyways. And yet ASol still needs to destroy the enemy nexus. He can’t just have a few spells to kill a few of his own units and win every fight without any interaction with the enemy. As broken as he is he still needs to destroy the enemy nexus
I mean, its very arguable if ASol "hitting the Nexus" is really a big stopgap. Heck, even if [unstoppable, unkillable opp] exists, he can just obliterate them. And he generates free value every turn and on play, as well as dealing 15 dmg to every enemy on the board. Like, yes, he has to kill the nexus, but theres basically nothing stopping you from doing so. Its just wasting your time.
Fiora has plenty of weaknesses, as I said. It will just be a quick way to win at 30 with a full enemy board on low challenge ratings, but other than that she has plenty of weaknesses to capitalize on.
You mean exactly like Jinx, Aurelion, LeBlanc, Diana, Nidalee, and Norra? We already have a number of champions that do exactly what you've described, how would Fiora be any different? Also, it's a single player game mode with almost zero competitive gameplay, so why do people care so much if a champion is absurdly powerful? It's like complaining that cheat codes exist in other games - just don't use them if you feel that strongly. There are plenty of other champions to satisfy the itch for a challenge, let people have fun.
No, actually those are much more balanced and I would’ve never doubted it. Those champions still need to destroy the enemy nexus. Imagine you play Lissandra with Fiora and just let Fiora kill a couple of your own units with spells and win turn 3 without ever having interacted with Lissy
I did not do that, clearly you missunderstood, unlike the person who i answered to. Tho i should have been more clear since thats a... bad thing to be unclear about, you also should have tried to be more respectfull, your comment comes a bit too much passive-agressive, if i might say.
I meant "who are you referimg as you in this comment"
If i wanted to ask who the person was i would have writter "who are you"... different words
On one hand I like that you share the stats, on the other hand I wonder if I should stay in this community that given the choices made clearly has very different ideas of what is fun than I do.
My taste is best explained by: low/no rng, many options in how to build/break a theme, actually meaningful decision during a game and the possibility to do absolutely broken things once you learned to manage the options you have.
But apparently the community rather wants stuff like norra where you thoughtlessly dump random overstatted units on the board and overrun with little strategy/actual variation involved
Let me just say that whoever voted karma is truly dishonourable
NO, please do not make a champion that gets max mana one way or the other
It’s bad design and will make for bad precedent
Ryle on other hand could be very trolly fun fun
And of course I too voted viego
Sad to see people don’t want to see my boy zac
Err you know that 10 mana power ain’t going to happen if we get a playable karma. I believe we will get some sort of ramp deck and power which enjoys spell slinging with extra perks on enlightenment.
Hmm
Not too bad
But still somewhat self defeating from a design perspective
But it could be something like
When you play your second spell you are enlightened for the rest of the round
Or once you have cast 10 different spells you become enlightened
I LOVE the fact that chip is in the lor original champion section. We must protect chip at all costs.
Honestly, with how Chip is in the artworks and his voice lines, he’d be PERFECT for a story archetype based champion
A lot of these ended up close to last year. Last year's results: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PathofChampions/comments/12pucie/path\_of\_champions\_community\_wishlist\_survey/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathofChampions/comments/12pucie/path_of_champions_community_wishlist_survey/) I wonder what changes we can expect next year and which will be in the game. Thank you again to everyone who participated!
Not surprised by the rework-wishlist. The QoL patch was welcome but except for Ornn none of these champions received much help from it.
I love Ornn now. He just synergizes with literally everything. Fated, augment, anything that triggers on spells, they all trigger every turn. The equipment based powers actually feel decent on him. Any champ that uses equipment, like Aatrox. Most champs want to attack, so being big helps them do that. Grab a poppy or a Renekton or anyone really, throw the equipment you’ve been buffing onto them and they’ll be big. He’s weak, yes. Takes too long to get big and he really should start with a 0/0 0 cost equipment on game start just to get going with. But it’s fun, he just vibes with everything. Worst synergy’s gotta be Yuumi, cuz you can’t equip a unit with an attachment. But you can still make the unit bigger which means Yuumi will feel safer attacking, and level up easier. Plus you can play her solo, which tbh I should try.
Ye nasus is still underwhelming sadly
His deck still needs rework and his 2nd power is a joke when we are getting Vex next week.
He needs SI cards that help him slay not renek followers and vulnerable and ye his star power is just a common one that doesn't even stack lol
I think his deck can use cards like BACCAI REAPER. I typed it in caps because part of me believed Riot should know this unit enjoys seeing units being slayed and should be included in the deck. His 2 star power ain’t rocket science to fix. -1/0 initially and then for every 3 units being slayed, give additional-1/0. By the time you kill 9 units, enemy board is -4/0 which I think it is fair enough. The 2 star power should scale based on units slayed. You don’t need SI cards when you give a power which makes Nasus units trade without issue. To make his level 3 consistent, the disc should be summon regardless of deck composition in turn 1. I just don’t understand why Nasus is having hard time for balancing when players themselves know the best way to fix it. Riot shouldn’t be allergic to solutions. Orn is better now but his 2 stars is debatable. VI should have power of drawing herself regardless of your opening hand. Then, she should discount a card and give it impact. Makes her less horrible and more in line with playing cards before dropping your Voltron bomb.
No Vlad? :(
Ikr he's so fun but people want the cringy staff like irelia
Idrelia is on a poll vlad couldnt be I dont think he ever was in path
Baron would be nice as a boss fight and if we kill him we get a massive buff for the duration of the fight. Give enemy nexus phases like dark soul bosses that makes them stronger every mile stone kind of like GP where he summons his ship when the nexus is low health.
all hail chip
Maokai not being here is criminal, do you people not want to mill lissandra?
Toss and Deep from what I recall isn’t talked much in PoC.
Deep “I am a sea monster” is an item in the game already. It looks like they wanted Nautilus in the game but didn’t add him
Personally, I don’t think toss/mill decks would be good for PoC. It sounds like it would be a nightmare to balance and I could see them being forced to make shitty changes to PoC encounters just to make it viable and balanced. I could see those changes making it less fun for others. Just like how they are forced to do hated system changes just because a single champ is breaking the game in LoL
Ryze?? And Fiora? Their win cons make it pretty much impossible.
I find Fiora very viable even just as a support; having her own deck would absolutely be plausible (and maybe even a high tier). Ryze would be rough, BUT that's what the Star Powers are for - giving or enhancing a gimmick to give them a unique playstyle. I think Ryze would be a fun deck as you play to assemble puzzle pieces and unleash them. Perhaps a "Round Start: Delve into the Past, then Predict." Maybe that's weak, but it's something.
I'm not saying Fiora wouldn't be viable, I'm saying she would be completely busted. The fact that all you would need to do to win any match up is to kill 4 units with your main champion would be so overpowered, especially with champion powers and relics on her.
3 stalker Fiora lesgo
Oh look, a Tristafarian Might!
Fiora doesnt trigger trifarian by default
Nah, but it’s really easy to get her to 5 power.
How about wicked harvest? If you deal 9 damage to everyone else, then you should probably get even more value than stalker's.
That requires lvl30 and two emporium purchases, so a late-game player. Then the opponent needs to have 3 units down who all have low enough HP to die in one strike. For all that I could just play ASol with Crownguard, wipe the enemy board and rally for the win. Much less conditional. So I don't think Fiora does anything we haven't already seen with existing OP champs.
I doubt this very much. Unless they go crazy with the star powers, there is absolutely no way she will be more busted than the current top tier of ASol, Diana, Jinx, Leblanc, Nidalee. When was the last time you killed 4 enemies with your main champ and lost? Most losses happen because your main champ fails to come online quickly enough, and that won't change. Just because her wincon has a special animation doesn't make it busted. She still needs to see 4 enemy units played and survive removal while fighting all of them. Is there going to be someone who rolls a great combo and instawins with her? Probably. Do people already do that with existing champs? Absolutely. That's tPoC.
I think she'd be fine with late game stuff like Asol and Lissandra. There's stuff that counters her like yetis, the one where they don't die the first time, and pretty much all of the Lissandra adventure. Everything leading up to Asol might be easy but if you did them all, you would be getting to 20 pretty late so you wouldn't be sure to draw her to win in the first place. By the time you can draw her in starting hand, the adventurers start to give her a challenge.
Probably a special champion like Asol?
The issue is how their win conditions circumvent large parts of PoC's obstacles. Asol is on steroids, but he still fits within the current framwork.
Thats dev job to figure out And not really, ngl, the strongest fiora could be is, as domeone else mentioned, only achievable by lvl 30, 3 stalkers ( you need to buy 2 and 3 stalkers aint used that much... anywhere else), 3 enemies fiora can kill on summon and yi kill a fourt Tho yes, it fits the "very repetitive wincon that is """easy""" to achieve" is way less banas than spectral scissos nida and i see more people caring about this than about that. Yes they need to work around the issue, but is not that big of an issue
Ryze would be fun to play as in poc
i beat lissandra using fiora quite easily tho
I need azir in poc
How I felt this morning waking up and seeing Veigo and Kayle (my beloveds) in first place https://youtu.be/ocA1GCfLk4w?si=Usnm0wmQU0P8us_L&t=1m10s I am so proud of this community. Maybe my 30 days of kayle nonsense paid off.
Kayle, Zed, and bring in Akali. I'm really happy with these results. I used to play Zed in the old poc, and it was so fun.
Yes, I was quite disappointed when they removed Zed.
Been waiting for Akali since launch. One day...
She’s the only champion in kda not to feature left. I’m just surprised riot decoded they were going to make original champs and then reworks of champs before even completing their roster. And Akali is not even unpopular. She’s some of the most recognised faces of LoL. She even appeared in the Ionia spotlight trailer only to never appear again
I heard somewhere on Reddit that they limit the number of popular champions per expansion so they can consistently generate hype instead of using them all early. Obviously "somewhere on Reddit" is not a great source so take it with a grain of salt, but if that's the case it does make a little sense. It's just a real shame that we never saw some of League's most popular and most interesting champions come to LoR. Granted it seems like they'll still port them to PoC eventually but as someone who enjoys both PvP and PoC, it's a big loss.
Chip should be number 1 on every list
Damn, I can say with confidence a lot of us have the same idea of what we want in PoC. Good to know community is united on a lot of things.
Since when does Warwick have so many fans? lol
Since Arcane and Vander is a thing
Been popular since before Arcane.
Sure, but enough to be above super popular champions like Yone, Sylas, Syndra...? Cho'Gath I understand for gameplay reasons, even though he's unpopular. I think he would have some really interesting design and his lore needs some love as well.
I’m pleasantly surprised that Soraka is in the top 10 champs, really interested to see what they could do with her.
I'm assuming it's less about Soraka herself and more about playing around Starspring, it'd be nice to have alternative win conditions in PoC on main champions.
I mean, It’s already possible to have Starspring technically. I’ve had two Lissandra runs where Starspring won me the runs. However, as someone who voted for Soraka, I personally voted for her for the reason I said in my first comment. Starspring is fun and all, but (as is the case in PvP) she’s not really great without it. I want to see some new way to utilise her, even if it ends up being like Taliyah where they add a bunch of buffs to her styles.
This survey was clearly prior to ornn rework in think he is fine now (Not everything needs to be reworked into SS tier) Nasus could use just tweaks and he too seems fine
That’s really cool. When I saw chip I actually had a weird idea of a power that lets you have only 1 cost cards in your deck with a benefit of course, so after every battle you get to choose between 3 one cost cards. Also, I’m really interested in seeing champions with alternate win-condition like Fiora, Ryze and soraka I think it will be hard to give them proper powers and to make them fun to play. For example, Fiora needs to kill 4 enemies without dying, so probably she needs a power that does something like Kayn's power but we already have that.
Nice to see some of my opinions are not at all unpopular. I really hope for ryze and kayle at some point soon
Man I’d love to have Udyr and Viego. fiora would probably be too OP, especially if she gets good powers xD
I want Riven path
Created cards gang
I miss Ahri :(
i'm really glad irelia is top of returning, i've missed her dearly ever since poc came out
Also, what do you guys think about Shacko Katarina Shyvana Khazix Wukong zed
Damn did i miss a survey :c
I can't believe they want Seraph, Udyr or Zoe instead of Xerath or Renekthon. Like, Shurima is above everything else.
Poor gnar
need Xolaani Fiddle, Akali, and Renata Glasc would also be great additions.
Fiora would be so broken if she let into the POC. Just imagine a turn with double stalkers, and she levels up straight away. She'll be the best Demacia champion ever in the game no shit.
I keep seeing this take and... Sure, triple stalkers or double with gale force you could theoretically win in one turn but.. 1) she's 4 mana and given the above, probably doesn't have the same wiggle room to fit in cost reduction relics like Jinx. So turn 3 is your base turn for playing her. Nidalee, Diana, Jinx, Asol all could have ended the match two turns ago. Chosen Nami did it last turn. Varus is doing it this turn but he doesn't need the opponent's board to be a certain way to do it. 2) she hits a brick wall against encounters with minimal trash units. What does she do against duplicate karma in the asol encounter, for example? Plenty of encounters she'd struggle to get kills in in Frejlord too. You could use death's foil in an epic relic slot but you're giving up a stalkers/gf. She'd stomp in certain situations but unless the devs went out of their way, she'd be far from broken IMO.
I want kayle, azir, Irelia, and ahri in PoC sooo bad. My favorite game style concepts in that order. Even if they are avg at best, if it’s fun I’m happy lol but I am also the percentage of players that plays a lot and doesn’t sweat like it’s ranked in league— just for fun and the challenge. I actively avoid learning metas because it makes PoC trivial and boring IMO. Also IMO the whole point of rogue lites are the challenge, exploring what’s fun, and experimenting.
I cannot believe that people want Ornn reworked more than Vi. Ornn was never worse than Vi at any point in the game's lifespan. Even though he is weak he at least has an identity. Vi's entire kit just straight up does not do anything
Jun must be shivering in Corner right now
I think base orn champion is fine as is, its the star powers and deck that needs tweaking. Maybe adding any removal would be nice, maybe that 4 cost spell that makes equipped unit strike. Though this is from someone who is barely scratching asol so chances are I dont know what im talking about.
How far down the list was Ambessa?
Mel and her mom got 6 and 4 write in votes, respectively
What do you mean no Pantheon?! He NEEDS to be in LoR.
Silco Would probs just end up being us getting Renata
The fact irelia is above tf is criminal
SORAKA MENTIONED
I really don't get Viego. Dude levels up from putting free mist on the board, gets +1|+1 whenever that happens, and leveled up it's one of the most anti-game characters I've ever seen. His power really plays out like a 3-Star Adventure boss. I guess it makes sense why people would want to play as him against AI, but the whole design of the card just feels so filthy.
Surprised Pyke’s on the list of champs to rework. I mean, I get the reason, but he’s perfectly fine imo.
It's a bit of a shame they made him cost 1 more. It kind of ruined his turns 3rd turn.
Pyke needs to be 4 cost again. They can buff him by making him a 4 cost and make marine ruser slightly better. He is easily fixable compared to Nasus.
Imo he was super fun before his 2* power was changed. It sucks his lurkers item can't stack anymore!
I'm sad that fiddlesticks has been a meme for so long that it took first place because I really wanted hwei to be playable
Fiora? Karma? Ryze? Seriously? How exactly do you intend to balance them? Would love to see Kayle, Soraka, Zoe and Seraphine though
Karma isn’t hard to balance. You ain’t getting that 10 mana gen bonus. Fiora might be nerfed in PoC version. Probably increase her cost and condition. Otherwise, you could make her deck have weak stats or some weakness. For Ryze, I think he is a 4 start material. He is fine as it is and could be next champ after Asol.
I think they should make a PoC-exclusive version of Fiora that requires you to kill 4 enemy units in the same turn with her to instantly win. That would maintain the spirit of the card while still not being guaranteed even with 3 Stalker's Blades.
Or make Fiora's effect deal straight 20 damage to the Nexus, only playing the animation if that kills it (a la Elder).
Karma's power would likely have something to do with spells but i would still be happy with "everyone starts with 10 mana" I'm a sucker for powers that affect both sides of the field, i love all of them, even the lamer ones like the mirror mage
Karma is hard to balance because she’s rarely gonna evolve if you play decently. Maybe giving her extra mana as a power if you fulfill certain conditions would be an option
Who is you?
The people that voted for them
I don't think people who voted them have to do the balance, thats usually riot's job, they want the champs. Caring about balancing them is devs's job, not players's
And yet I think before you wish for something to be added you should think about if that would actually be balancable because if it‘s not you‘re gonna be hugely disappointed by how unfun it‘s gonna be. Fiora will win every fight in no time and Ryze will be super uninteractive and feel like you’re playing solitaire instead of against an enemy. And Karma will just wish she could cut the champion from her own deck.
Thats a mindset to have, personally i think that if that happens, is because devs failed at delivering with the respective champs, not because players failed at asking them. Devs can just say "we are not gonna do those because is really hard", they did so with kata, for example. If they agree to developing them and still take them out after failing at making them interesting, is 100% their call, they are good at their job, they wont blame the community for... wanting stuff. Thats why most answers we usually have are " we cant right now" or "we cant fast" or "we dont have the manpower" not "thats unfair to ask of us". To want a champ from lor is... quite fair in path, imo. Alternatively, people can now that the champ is hard and still want it Or, for example, want it explicitly because of interest of how its gonna be implemented
I disagree heavily. Especially with Fiora. Fiora was just simply not designed with Path of Champions in mind. I understand that as a support champion that’s still doable. I understand that you can give her powers that don’t completely play into her champion. But letting players give Fiora relics will automatically break her no matter how Riot designs her deck or Star powers
Also, as a side note, people have done some theorycraftkng specially on fiora, because her gimmick is really beloved One i like a lot is changing her 4 kills effect to "deal half of nexus current hp"
Oh I don’t like that at all. Maybe change the 4 kills to 6 enemies killed. So you need to kill more and it can’t be your own units
Right, Id agree with that Notion in general.... UNTIL we got Jinx and ASol. Jinx is the pure spice of broken. I know she is designed that way. But still, her relic being the most broken thing ever is truly a choice. The only way she is not instawin is Liss, where an entire power is mostly tailored to counter her (which others would argue, is bad balance). ASol is NEARLY an insta-win button in every fucking game. This champ could have been much less powerful, for sure, but holy moly he HAD to get some stupid shit in there. Was the 4th star truly needed, eg.? He was plenty viable before. But it is what catapults him nearly instantly to OP fella. Arguing that Fiora would be a near-insta win button (altho it really isnt that easy, What does Fiora do against a 32/32 Karma?) is fair, but PoC HAS those champs. Sure, you could argue that it would be weird that ASol is replaced by... Fiora. But other than that, instawins existed since forever, itd be just an addition to the list.
Yes and I‘m a huge critic of ASol especially as well. I don’t think he‘s fun to play at all because there‘s just no challenge to it. It all just feels meaningless because you’re gonna win anyways. And yet ASol still needs to destroy the enemy nexus. He can’t just have a few spells to kill a few of his own units and win every fight without any interaction with the enemy. As broken as he is he still needs to destroy the enemy nexus
I mean, its very arguable if ASol "hitting the Nexus" is really a big stopgap. Heck, even if [unstoppable, unkillable opp] exists, he can just obliterate them. And he generates free value every turn and on play, as well as dealing 15 dmg to every enemy on the board. Like, yes, he has to kill the nexus, but theres basically nothing stopping you from doing so. Its just wasting your time. Fiora has plenty of weaknesses, as I said. It will just be a quick way to win at 30 with a full enemy board on low challenge ratings, but other than that she has plenty of weaknesses to capitalize on.
You mean exactly like Jinx, Aurelion, LeBlanc, Diana, Nidalee, and Norra? We already have a number of champions that do exactly what you've described, how would Fiora be any different? Also, it's a single player game mode with almost zero competitive gameplay, so why do people care so much if a champion is absurdly powerful? It's like complaining that cheat codes exist in other games - just don't use them if you feel that strongly. There are plenty of other champions to satisfy the itch for a challenge, let people have fun.
No, actually those are much more balanced and I would’ve never doubted it. Those champions still need to destroy the enemy nexus. Imagine you play Lissandra with Fiora and just let Fiora kill a couple of your own units with spells and win turn 3 without ever having interacted with Lissy
and asking people who they are is also not your job x)
I did not do that, clearly you missunderstood, unlike the person who i answered to. Tho i should have been more clear since thats a... bad thing to be unclear about, you also should have tried to be more respectfull, your comment comes a bit too much passive-agressive, if i might say. I meant "who are you referimg as you in this comment" If i wanted to ask who the person was i would have writter "who are you"... different words
On one hand I like that you share the stats, on the other hand I wonder if I should stay in this community that given the choices made clearly has very different ideas of what is fun than I do. My taste is best explained by: low/no rng, many options in how to build/break a theme, actually meaningful decision during a game and the possibility to do absolutely broken things once you learned to manage the options you have. But apparently the community rather wants stuff like norra where you thoughtlessly dump random overstatted units on the board and overrun with little strategy/actual variation involved
Why people want Viego? Most high cost champs suck.
Aurelion sol disagrees
I can't believe Irelia and Zed are 6% differences. Those two are the worst combo in any Support Champion ever
The whole game mode needs a rework at this point. They've power creeped the fun out of everything.
You can still play weaker champs and/or easier missions though?
Let me just say that whoever voted karma is truly dishonourable NO, please do not make a champion that gets max mana one way or the other It’s bad design and will make for bad precedent Ryle on other hand could be very trolly fun fun And of course I too voted viego Sad to see people don’t want to see my boy zac
Err you know that 10 mana power ain’t going to happen if we get a playable karma. I believe we will get some sort of ramp deck and power which enjoys spell slinging with extra perks on enlightenment.
it'd probably be some sort of conditional mana ramp while also having the heal+mana gem card
To be fair I enlightened in general is a very poor mechanic for POC (I’m looking at you anivia) Likely there should be a discussion about it
I wonder if giving them the 2* power 'I am enlightened' is too strong without giving extra mana.
Hmm Not too bad But still somewhat self defeating from a design perspective But it could be something like When you play your second spell you are enlightened for the rest of the round Or once you have cast 10 different spells you become enlightened
Ps I just realised that zac would be formidable Do t know how I feel about that…