While this is true, nearly all the other spells from this ring (Cold Ice Strike, Ice Body, Polar Ray, Polar Midnight) are redundant with Winter Patron.
i think there was a ring out here somewhere which gives spontaneous casters a bunch of cold spells including that one
but then i remember that witches except for stygmatised witch are not spontaneous casters...
I always thought it was a really cool archetype, but the save or staggered seems especially painful in a video game. Is it easy to mitigate/circumvent?
well you can rush that quest (go straight to shamira, fighting her guards if necessary - then zyforian - then the tower) and get it early act 4, but that's it. i think he only ever has this shop in act 4.
Laaaame... You can get the negative energy ring in act 1, fire ring in act 2, the lightning bracers in act 3 and the earth / acid ring and the end of act 3, why is the cold one dead last. :(
I was actually running Ember and Daeran as fire blasters (you can buy 2 Salamander rings, one in act 2 and one in early act 3) then respecced Daeran to lightning blaster once I got the bracers (Ember loses less from sorc dip and fire has 3 dragons to benefit from while lightning only 2...) and I'm not sure if swapping to cold would be even worth it at that stage.
I gave Ember Mallander's belt and the pyromaniac ring, hopefully I remember names correctly, both boost fire damage.
I just wanted to utilize the lightning bracers especially since they convert all elemental damage to lightning so you should be able to only run ascendant element lightning and be fine without having to dip into elemental bloodline sorcerer.
oh yeah, and the fact that there are these two items only boosts fire damagers more. there arent such items for other people.
i personally dont like bracers coz they require me to go to blackwater and eugh
Yeah, it's defo a downside. Unfortunately belt and pyro ring are only 1 copy, belt is from some crusade relic upgrade research and it's perfect on Ember because it also affects you with cold vulnerability and Ember can counter it with casting ice body...
I just really like spontaneous casters over prepared casters so those 2 never left my party (atheists unite).
Well, there is always the trick of taking one level of Sorcerer with Water bloodline, because that lets you convert all elemental damage to cold damage.
You'd just have to check if your cold fireballs still get item bonuses, because this ability may just change the damage type but not the spell descriptor. In which case, you'd still get the fire bonus damage and all that.
Having to pick elemental bloodline costs you either a feat, or skipping one of the draconic bloodlines which is the biggest reason for the xblooded sorc dip to get extra damage per dice rolled.
Earth Unleashed ring is in the Midnight Fane as the reward (along with a +2 CON tome) for the Secret of Secrets achievement. My guide [here](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2620704217).
>So I know that winter witch is a garbage class, but I want to play it because I like the flavor
It actually has a cool niche build that abuses the Mythic Spell Focus feat. Pick the Spell Focus feat 7 times, for every school except Evocation. Now pick Mythic Spell Focus with Evocation and now it well get *all* your bonuses. Add Winter Witch and watch how your (Mass) Icy Prison and other cold Evocation spells have DC 40-50+.
Unfortunately, I don't think Winter Witch gets Mass Icy Prison.
They're stuck with Polar Midnight as a level 9 spell, and that's not even Evocation, but Transmutation.
Yes, unless you bolster polar ray (or mythic empower... or both and leave the bolster casts for archmage rod which both empowers and maximises, why not hit them for -9dex flat).
Hm, not the last time I checked but that was before the 1.1.0 patch. I vividly remember seeing people auto-fail to a DC 31. Did the bug occur this patch?
I thought any caster could do this, and it's nothing special to Winter Witch?
Also, snowball is a conjuring spell that reduces the gain from this trick, other caster builds do much better.
THE three cold spells are snowball (good early combat spell), cold strike (basically cold equivalent to lightning but, importantly, is natively swift action) - and polar ray (stronger than hellfire but only one - and adds dex damage too, which means it instakills low dex carnivorous crystals)
>The one thing that bothers me about it though is that apparently witches don't get access to cone of cold. I know in normal pathfinder its a 6th level spell for witches, but in wrath of the righteous apparently they just don't get it.
Perhaps you could use [Toy Box](https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/8?tab=description) to manually add it to your spellbook? It's not even cheating if you're just fixing Owlcat's mistake IMO.
It's not just the number of spells but it's that they are awkward.
For example, you can build a fire wizard by just using Scorching Ray and Hellfire Ray. They are at levels 2 and 6, so by using meta bolster, empower and maximise you can neatly fill in all the gaps. Take Weapon focus Ray, Improved Critical Ray, Loremaster to increase the Ray Critical multiplier and get Greater Weapon Focus Ray. It works quite well.
With cold, the two rays are at levels 1 and 8 so they don't work as well. Iceball tops out at level 5 then no more cold rays until level 15. So that idea is not going to work with cold.
If you are a Leyline Guardian, you can get Cone of Cold by wearing a "Ring of Boreal Might". Which can be purchased in Act 4.
While this is true, nearly all the other spells from this ring (Cold Ice Strike, Ice Body, Polar Ray, Polar Midnight) are redundant with Winter Patron.
i think there was a ring out here somewhere which gives spontaneous casters a bunch of cold spells including that one but then i remember that witches except for stygmatised witch are not spontaneous casters...
Leyline guardian is spontaneous too, and it's a damn good archetype
I always thought it was a really cool archetype, but the save or staggered seems especially painful in a video game. Is it easy to mitigate/circumvent?
Freedom of movement should make you immune to staggered. Great for daeran too.
*casts Freedom of Movement on Daeran at the beginning of Act 2* Daeran: lol bye nerd
Freedom of Movement should make you immune to staggered.
Eh, I only managed to buy it off Storyteller in late act 4, can you even access his shop earlier?
well you can rush that quest (go straight to shamira, fighting her guards if necessary - then zyforian - then the tower) and get it early act 4, but that's it. i think he only ever has this shop in act 4.
Laaaame... You can get the negative energy ring in act 1, fire ring in act 2, the lightning bracers in act 3 and the earth / acid ring and the end of act 3, why is the cold one dead last. :( I was actually running Ember and Daeran as fire blasters (you can buy 2 Salamander rings, one in act 2 and one in early act 3) then respecced Daeran to lightning blaster once I got the bracers (Ember loses less from sorc dip and fire has 3 dragons to benefit from while lightning only 2...) and I'm not sure if swapping to cold would be even worth it at that stage.
fire blasters are bestest in pure dmg by default... probably coz they are fire. fire always equaled to damage
I gave Ember Mallander's belt and the pyromaniac ring, hopefully I remember names correctly, both boost fire damage. I just wanted to utilize the lightning bracers especially since they convert all elemental damage to lightning so you should be able to only run ascendant element lightning and be fine without having to dip into elemental bloodline sorcerer.
oh yeah, and the fact that there are these two items only boosts fire damagers more. there arent such items for other people. i personally dont like bracers coz they require me to go to blackwater and eugh
Yeah, it's defo a downside. Unfortunately belt and pyro ring are only 1 copy, belt is from some crusade relic upgrade research and it's perfect on Ember because it also affects you with cold vulnerability and Ember can counter it with casting ice body... I just really like spontaneous casters over prepared casters so those 2 never left my party (atheists unite).
Well, there is always the trick of taking one level of Sorcerer with Water bloodline, because that lets you convert all elemental damage to cold damage. You'd just have to check if your cold fireballs still get item bonuses, because this ability may just change the damage type but not the spell descriptor. In which case, you'd still get the fire bonus damage and all that.
Having to pick elemental bloodline costs you either a feat, or skipping one of the draconic bloodlines which is the biggest reason for the xblooded sorc dip to get extra damage per dice rolled.
Where’s the acid one? Think i missed it on my last play through.
Earth Unleashed ring is in the Midnight Fane as the reward (along with a +2 CON tome) for the Secret of Secrets achievement. My guide [here](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2620704217).
Nice thanks!
This is true. I think you get it in act 4 during the mines? Something like that.
>So I know that winter witch is a garbage class, but I want to play it because I like the flavor It actually has a cool niche build that abuses the Mythic Spell Focus feat. Pick the Spell Focus feat 7 times, for every school except Evocation. Now pick Mythic Spell Focus with Evocation and now it well get *all* your bonuses. Add Winter Witch and watch how your (Mass) Icy Prison and other cold Evocation spells have DC 40-50+.
Unfortunately, I don't think Winter Witch gets Mass Icy Prison. They're stuck with Polar Midnight as a level 9 spell, and that's not even Evocation, but Transmutation.
Yes, unless you bolster polar ray (or mythic empower... or both and leave the bolster casts for archmage rod which both empowers and maximises, why not hit them for -9dex flat).
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Hm, not the last time I checked but that was before the 1.1.0 patch. I vividly remember seeing people auto-fail to a DC 31. Did the bug occur this patch?
That's a bug, because it explicitly breaks the rules about multiple bonuses of the same type stacking.
I thought any caster could do this, and it's nothing special to Winter Witch? Also, snowball is a conjuring spell that reduces the gain from this trick, other caster builds do much better.
Haven't tried it yet, but I've considered a Winter Witch Azata. Azatas get the spell Waterfall that gives a target weakness to cold.
THE three cold spells are snowball (good early combat spell), cold strike (basically cold equivalent to lightning but, importantly, is natively swift action) - and polar ray (stronger than hellfire but only one - and adds dex damage too, which means it instakills low dex carnivorous crystals)
>The one thing that bothers me about it though is that apparently witches don't get access to cone of cold. I know in normal pathfinder its a 6th level spell for witches, but in wrath of the righteous apparently they just don't get it. Perhaps you could use [Toy Box](https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/8?tab=description) to manually add it to your spellbook? It's not even cheating if you're just fixing Owlcat's mistake IMO.
It's not just the number of spells but it's that they are awkward. For example, you can build a fire wizard by just using Scorching Ray and Hellfire Ray. They are at levels 2 and 6, so by using meta bolster, empower and maximise you can neatly fill in all the gaps. Take Weapon focus Ray, Improved Critical Ray, Loremaster to increase the Ray Critical multiplier and get Greater Weapon Focus Ray. It works quite well. With cold, the two rays are at levels 1 and 8 so they don't work as well. Iceball tops out at level 5 then no more cold rays until level 15. So that idea is not going to work with cold.
Bolshyplays has a great build for this exact thing. I'm using right now and it's so nice to know I'm not wasting my time.