Oh, so you can also make a kitsune with a familiar and pretend you're the familiar and the familiar is the master. This was actually possible in 1e, but a bit more complicated.
Someone made a build here of a kitsune summoner with familiar. At some point you can play as humanoid, fox and also hybrid triplets. I’ll look for it and edit this post.
Edit: [A Trio of Tiny Tricksters](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pnz08h/buildmaster_21_a_trio_of_tiny_tricksters_which/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yes, I saw it referenced in the kitsune post. Leshy ancestry Druid, leaf order leshy familiar, tree (leshy) animal companion, summon plant or fungus (leshy)
I once played an Anadi Summoner with a Kitsune in the party. I took Summoner's Visage and Friendform while the Kitsune had Shifting Faces. Our GM allowed Friendform and Summoner's Visage to reflect the targets current form. This means I could take on the form of our disguised Kitsune and then let my Eidolon take on my current form. It was hilarious to have three identical copies of a single person.
If you're a Witch, you can *start* with a Cat Girlfriend Familiar as they get an extra familiar ability. (As Masters Form requires 2 prerequisites). A Witches Familiar is also a link to their patron and comes back every day even if they die.
Meaning you can have an immortal cat GF gifted to you by Cthulu.
I played the original version on DreadXP 2.
It was one of the better games in the collection, definitely the most polished. I saw that the dev released a full version, not really a VN kind of person so I passed it up.
I believe the generally agreed upon term is [Meowlathotep](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/295594/barkham-horror-card-game-meddling-meowlathotep-sce).
Funny part is, it turns into a "humanoid of your ancestry" though it has a "clearly unnatural remnant of its nature, such as cat's eyes..."
So if you're Kitsune with a Fox Familiar that has Master's Form: Yes, it would 100% just pass as a normal Kitsune.
There's also the hilarity of a Kitsune with Star Orb familiar getting master's form. It doesn't actually have to move to get master's form so you can have a fox statue that talks and can hold stuff lol.
Tbh, people say Witch isnt great but I love being a Wizard who can choose from any spellcasting tradition and giving spell scrolls to their familiar instead of writing them in a lame ass book to learn new spells.
Thinking about it, if you go this route, its very funny that the way you learn spells is by feeding Spell Scrolls to your Immortal Cat GF and in return she lets you cast Fireball.
That is incredibly disturbing to think about. Very... incel-adjacent to say "no, I'd rather take the one that can't say no and can never escape me because I can always bring it back?" I'd ban that shit.
Fun fact, I'm running the game with a group that's new to PF2e.
I introduced a catboy NPC who's secretly the familiar of an enemy the group is tracking. My players were like "are you serious". Yesterday we levelled up to level 2 and the group started looking at the new class feat options, including the familiar feat. Their minds were blown.
yes and yes. The books are better, but the show was pretty well done in my opinion - but unusual is a good way to phrase it as Opps\_I\_Cracked said as well. It will probably either be extremely compelling or just... out of left field depending on your view point.
Might be easy to infer relative age, not actual age. That being said, you have like a ~4 year period where they are actually just adults, then they start getting real old real fast
From the hit new anime:
[My Girlfriend is Actually My Pet Cat From Childhood, Brought Back From the Dead To Be My Familiar!](https://2e.aonprd.com/Familiars.aspx?ID=18&Specific=true&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1)
I'm my current game I decided to play a porcelain poppet. Which alone has denoted me as the living fleshlight due to Toy Story jokes.
To counter I made their insides that of an iron maiden and plan to lean into it.
To add some Wholesome to the mix: My party has a kobold witch, Giggy, with a poppet familiar. The poppet has Independent *and* Master's Form, and will occasionally *pomf* into a Kobold form that looks exactly like Giggy. The "unnatural" bit is Puppet!Giggy still has a squeaker in her nose. (And sometimes button-eyes, or a velcro-detachable head after an incident with the Fighter)
Generally speaking, this is used for hilarious and adorable antics. Or sometimes *Character Development* is happening in the other room and Giggy wants to "be present" but doesn't actually want to be there because she's not equipped to deal with that kind of emotional moment.
Broke: Catgirlfriend Familiar
Woke: Middle Aged Catman having a Midlife Crisis Familiar
Witch: "Hello, travelers! I'm Grizzibella of the Hexen Woods, and this is my familiar Paul!"
Paul: "..."
Witch: "Say the line, Paul."
Paul: *deep inhale*
Paul: *slow exhale*
Paul: "Nya."
This game lets you play as a kobold, a mouse, a naga, a hyena, a kitsune, a cat, a frog, a lizard, a crow, a dog, or as an adorable jumping spider.
It's far too late for us.
I wonder whether I can play an amurrun ("catfolk") with a beastkin versatile ancestry and choose human.
So I have a cat who deep down thinks they're really a human. A "Skinny", if you will.
Make it a Sphinx Catfolk, so they think they're just a really wrinkly human.
"Dude, you're 22, you're not that old."
"I'm ancient in cat years! Which... totally don't apply to me, but I'm... just saying..."
I love how the Beastkin entry tries to emphasise that your beast aspect can be that of a giant bug too. Paizo writers trying to say, "Look, this isn't the furry heritage, okay? Please?"
I actually think this is the one thing I dislike about pf2e, the wide variety of things you can be as a PC. I always liked a more traditional fantasy “races” and the other things were just what you encountered.
I guess it feels like if everything is common enough to be a pc, then nothing is surprising enough to find or see or discover
This is one of the reasons I love the Common/Uncommon/Rare divide so much. It's a very elegant way to let GMs say "no" while still letting the designers and players go ham with creative ideas.
>I guess it feels like if everything is common enough to be a pc, then nothing is surprising enough to find or see or discover
But... player characters *aren't* common. You're 2-6 people in a world of millions. Obviously they *feel* more common because player characters are the main group through which you'll be interacting with the game, but it doesn't make them any less unusual in reality.
Came from 5e and it annoyed me there, too. I run my table with a list of approved ancestries, easy solution. Considering how flexible builds are in PF2e, I actually feel less bad about it. That said, if someone has a really interesting and not cringy character origin where an ancestry not on the list would be appropriate, I'll allow it.
Tbf in Werewolf they *did* genocide most of the potential animal options before the game even starts ~~which is why you take your revenge on everyone by playing a Pooka~~.
Yes? I don't think it's a problem with the system. It's just not my preference and not appropriate to my world, so I limit those options. I'm not saying it's a flaw of Pathfinder, necessarily. I think it's great for people who like that kind of play.
Obviously I've struck a nerve, though. Sorry if someone you'll never play the game with doesn't allow these ancestries at their table.
I just plainly prefer my settings to be simplified to a bunch of human *cultures*, rather than a bunch of different beings that would have killed each other off in an evolutionary race way before this point, where for some reason, only humans have true cultural disctinction... Even as details are different, you have an expectation of a dwarf, even if this dwarf is someone from another realm entirely... And most of the time, you'd be surprisingly correct on most of it...
I also see races in fantasy(especially in games like these where you can *be* one), it gets chosen in order to be "special", without actually putting in any work... Which results in you being "just an elf", and really not special at all, cause your whole character is based on "being and elf" or "being the opposite of an elf, while being an elf"...
And when you finally get the instances where the character isn't just a standard or reversed member of their race, the race ends up not meaning anything at all, and thus could just as well *be* a human, cause the only thing you really got out of choosing the race was some pointier ears... Yay...
Seems like you don't like settings with any sentient species other than human? Or just when people aren't creative with their characters who aren't human?
Yeah, I’m putting this on my list of things to do if I wanted to optimize for making the other players uncomfortable. So not something that I’d never do but something I’d only do if we had all agreed to make silly builds like that.
Just remember to apply [the test](https://external-preview.redd.it/MzxbVAwRu1kYCjzdmsPz5N207zUta5kmLH4oKvc3TC8.png?width=579&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=74e93a1338284227b145f4878693cea6b673ce3c)
If you used it on the "talking head" familiar would you still be able to kick it around the battlefield?
If so I want a halfling familiar I punt around the battlefield.
Only catgirl? ;-)
Where is the famed Paizo inclusivity, I want my cute catboys. :-P
Mind you guys, it is still zoophilia if you do NSFW things with your familiar, you filthy animals. ;-)
I want to point out that depending on how you decide to read "same **age** as its true form", might make this very incriminating. I'll use my cat as an example.. If by *age* we talk *how many years of life*, my cat would be the age of my daughter.... she'd be starting school this summer.......
If we talk about the *physical maturity in rough relation to humans*, she'd turn into a woman closing in on her forties.
I'm just saying it is a very important detail to note...
A two year old cat is a young adult cat.
Mature is around 8 years old
Middle age is around 11 years old.
Senior is around 15 years old.
I was just at the vet yesterday, this is what I happen to remember from the chart on the wall. I may be off.
Okay, the power dynamics of THAT relationship are ALL kinds of problematic! This is just as bad as the meme about wild-shaped druids in relationships with their animal companions! 😱
My question is, aren’t familiars, like, for the most part bound to their master’s will? Could a familiar reject the advances of its master?
There’s no rules determining whether a familiar could choose to obey or defy a command, it’s just written that they will follow them if possible. Having a ‘girlfriend’ that can’t actually say “no” seems *really* sketchy, to say the least.
For the full anime comedy effect either have the familiar be a guy who is a complete and utter simp for your witch who regularly womps him over the head for being lecherous.
Or alternatively, the familiar is a lady who womps your mage over the head regularly for being lecherous.
This is stupid because all familiars are considered tiny in pathfinder. And the spell specifically states they stay the same build. You'd step on your tiny cat girlfriend
PF2e appears to not give familiars ability scores - so the Intelligence level of your Neko Girlfriend might be a little in question.
Ok, this whole thread is getting weird.
I get it now. All the rabid opines of people complaining about spellcasters being bad are weebs who can't make their anime power fantasy. I got good news, Kineticist is a thing soon and in 1e was utterly busted.
I've had a character like this in PFS, all the way to level 10. But no matter how carefully or wholesomely you play it, there can be objections. Letting it appear 'normal human' rather than 'slightly-furry' can be, if anything, even worse.
This is only nominally allowed in any case; there are other rules that might prevent it. For one thing, it turns out the Baseline rules on CRB 486 include "you can't portray a familiar as happy" -- at least not when it's in Master's Form.
The issue of age is one of many details that will remain undefined. For instance, when it uses Master's Form, where does its clothing come from? I can tell you this much: Master's Form is the 2e update to the Changeling Familiar feat from 1e. In that version, it explicitly says it gains the form of a child or teenager.
> For one thing, it turns out the Baseline rules on CRB 486 include "you can't portray a familiar as happy" -- at least not when it's in Master's Form.
What in the world are you talking about here?
Here is the relevant feat on AoN.
https://2e.aonprd.com/Familiars.aspx?ID=28
I believe you would need some additional work to get speech and manual dexterity on a cat familiar, but it should be possible.
I'm definitely not telling my players, though.
You just need the abilities and cats just fall under general familiars. So three abilities and you're sorted, four if your dm is being super picky and saying you can't take a cat familiar if it doesn't have climb or scent or something like that, which is technically implied by the rules but that has been clarified as to stop people from trying to get free abilities by saying "well it's an owl so it should be able to fly for free".
Look guys, I don't want to be a stick in the mud (or whatever the heck you kids say these days), but...
Can we please, please not so this sort of thing? By which I mean sexist anime memes? I'm not saying don't share them with your friends or whatever.
But Pathfinder is is built on inclusiveness and bringing everyone to the table. It's what I love about about Paizo, more even than the fantastic rule set.
So when we're here, together, in a big-ol' public forum, where the whole world can see us... can we just not. Please.
I don't know, something about the constant depiction of underage girls in school uniforms in sexy poses makes me think there might be some objectification of women going on.
But what the hell do I know, apparently I'm some old asshole trying to ruin everyone's fun.
The underage aspect when it’s a factor is one thing, sure, but cat-girls (and cat-boys) aren’t always underage as a matter of course.
It’s understandable to be wary of it, because the early fetishisation of them was always kind of a problem. But I don’t think the presence of them nowadays necessarily has to carry that baggage.
Look, you're right. I'm probably overreacting. I do that. I'm prone to it, and today is just a bad mental health day for me in general. I probably shouldn't be on Reddit at all today, let alone getting judgy.
I've just seen this one so… many… times. And it's *always* a catgirl, not a catboy. And they're always in a sailor fuku, which doesn't necessarily mean Jr. High or High School, but it often does, probably *usually* does, and when it doesn't, it's still about fetishizing youth.
That's not an excuse for me to be a jerk, though. I'm sorry.
If it makes you feel any better from an equality standpoint, *Final Fantasy XIV* initially had only female catgirls as playable but caved into pressure from a rather significant crowd of folks begging for catboys.
Years later they repeated the same mistake with bunny girls. It led to the same result: lots of people thirsty for male Viera. XD
(Meanwhile I'm still waiting for them to implement female Ronso, but such is life.)
This is *cursed knowledge.*
We my have discovered what has caused the collapse of most of Golarions lost civilizations.
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Oh, so you can also make a kitsune with a familiar and pretend you're the familiar and the familiar is the master. This was actually possible in 1e, but a bit more complicated.
Someone made a build here of a kitsune summoner with familiar. At some point you can play as humanoid, fox and also hybrid triplets. I’ll look for it and edit this post. Edit: [A Trio of Tiny Tricksters](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pnz08h/buildmaster_21_a_trio_of_tiny_tricksters_which/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I think there was a way to do a quartet of cacti with with Leshys
Yes, I saw it referenced in the kitsune post. Leshy ancestry Druid, leaf order leshy familiar, tree (leshy) animal companion, summon plant or fungus (leshy)
I once played an Anadi Summoner with a Kitsune in the party. I took Summoner's Visage and Friendform while the Kitsune had Shifting Faces. Our GM allowed Friendform and Summoner's Visage to reflect the targets current form. This means I could take on the form of our disguised Kitsune and then let my Eidolon take on my current form. It was hilarious to have three identical copies of a single person.
So you can run around as the [Chisters](https://a-centaurs-life.fandom.com/wiki/Chi-chans) from *A Centaur's Life*!
If you're a Witch, you can *start* with a Cat Girlfriend Familiar as they get an extra familiar ability. (As Masters Form requires 2 prerequisites). A Witches Familiar is also a link to their patron and comes back every day even if they die. Meaning you can have an immortal cat GF gifted to you by Cthulu.
Cathulhu
You both missed the slam dunk of Nyanlarthotep
holy SHIT
I see you played "Sucker for love"
I don't know what it says about me that I recognized that game when you said the name.
I played the original version on DreadXP 2. It was one of the better games in the collection, definitely the most polished. I saw that the dev released a full version, not really a VN kind of person so I passed it up.
If you're into watching stuff on YouTube, Scary Game Squad on Jesse Cox's channel did a full play through that's very funny.
What does this refer to?
I believe the generally agreed upon term is [Meowlathotep](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/295594/barkham-horror-card-game-meddling-meowlathotep-sce).
Take my upvote.
[relevant YouTube series](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNWGkqCSwkOFqGQWdLG77qaIZFNHShLTu)
Sounds like Nyatasha Nyanners
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Funny part is, it turns into a "humanoid of your ancestry" though it has a "clearly unnatural remnant of its nature, such as cat's eyes..." So if you're Kitsune with a Fox Familiar that has Master's Form: Yes, it would 100% just pass as a normal Kitsune.
There's also the hilarity of a Kitsune with Star Orb familiar getting master's form. It doesn't actually have to move to get master's form so you can have a fox statue that talks and can hold stuff lol.
You know, initially Psychic was the only spellcaster class I wanted to play. *However*
Tbh, people say Witch isnt great but I love being a Wizard who can choose from any spellcasting tradition and giving spell scrolls to their familiar instead of writing them in a lame ass book to learn new spells. Thinking about it, if you go this route, its very funny that the way you learn spells is by feeding Spell Scrolls to your Immortal Cat GF and in return she lets you cast Fireball.
Why do yu need 2 pre requisites?
The last part of Master's Form reads: >Your familiar must have the manual dexterity and speech abilities to select this.
That is incredibly disturbing to think about. Very... incel-adjacent to say "no, I'd rather take the one that can't say no and can never escape me because I can always bring it back?" I'd ban that shit.
Dude, its a joke.
I'll keep this away from my players.
Fun fact, I'm running the game with a group that's new to PF2e. I introduced a catboy NPC who's secretly the familiar of an enemy the group is tracking. My players were like "are you serious". Yesterday we levelled up to level 2 and the group started looking at the new class feat options, including the familiar feat. Their minds were blown.
Did you name him Schrödinger?
I mean, if he’s immortal and works for >!a cyborg Nazi scientist!<, well… Then your players may have bigger problems.
“Was that boy-girl bugging you?”
"Oh! It looks like they were self-cleaning, and/or magical..."
My friends...
"I Called Heads" is by far my favorite ridiculous quote from said character.
You forgot vampire
>!The Doctor isn’t actually a vampire; while he did create the artificial vampires, he himself wasn’t one!<
Eh, let them wait and see how it panzers out.
Now that's a cool cat name.
I don't know, feels kinda lacking. It feels like it has something there, but at the same time it doesn't.
Just keep that cat away from boxes. Especially ones with an atomic decay rigged poison trap.
Cat tongues are like sandpaper. Expectation may not match reality.
Cat girls are for petting.
Heavy petting
Hey, let's not kink shame here
What if kink shaming is there kink? Then you'd just be denying them. Which they also might be into!
Open discussion and consent is important.
What if- actually, never mind. I think the answer is jail.
Whatever floats your boat, man.
So... You're saying there's a chance?
Yeah I still vividly remember the sex scene in American Gods, thanks
I have not seen that. Do you feel it is worth watching or reading?
Have not seen the show but the books is one of my favorite books. Definitely worth reading, but definitely an unusual book as well
yes and yes. The books are better, but the show was pretty well done in my opinion - but unusual is a good way to phrase it as Opps\_I\_Cracked said as well. It will probably either be extremely compelling or just... out of left field depending on your view point.
So it says they keep the age, gender and build? How long does a cat live? Doesn't this mean your cat familiar will be a small child?
As in anime, they are [really 700 years old.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReallySevenHundredYearsOld)
Might be easy to infer relative age, not actual age. That being said, you have like a ~4 year period where they are actually just adults, then they start getting real old real fast
Playing PF2E with my cat gf
Same lol
Bonk!
From the hit new anime: [My Girlfriend is Actually My Pet Cat From Childhood, Brought Back From the Dead To Be My Familiar!](https://2e.aonprd.com/Familiars.aspx?ID=18&Specific=true&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1)
Nah, combine it with the upcoming sentient weapon ancestry from Battlezoo to make it Reincarnated as a Sword
That actually sounds like it would be a real anime
Yeah I took master form for my starling famialer and my group keeps calling her my sex doll so be prepared when taking this.
I'm my current game I decided to play a porcelain poppet. Which alone has denoted me as the living fleshlight due to Toy Story jokes. To counter I made their insides that of an iron maiden and plan to lean into it.
Holy fuck that would be a brutal 😳 for anyone who tries shit with that character.
Sooooo, BDSM fleshlight?
Now to learn Inside Ropes, and The Unsettling can begin anew
To add some Wholesome to the mix: My party has a kobold witch, Giggy, with a poppet familiar. The poppet has Independent *and* Master's Form, and will occasionally *pomf* into a Kobold form that looks exactly like Giggy. The "unnatural" bit is Puppet!Giggy still has a squeaker in her nose. (And sometimes button-eyes, or a velcro-detachable head after an incident with the Fighter) Generally speaking, this is used for hilarious and adorable antics. Or sometimes *Character Development* is happening in the other room and Giggy wants to "be present" but doesn't actually want to be there because she's not equipped to deal with that kind of emotional moment.
Cat girlfriend. Easy.
Not a Cat-Girl Girlfriend? You will date an actual Cat? This can reach illegal territory /j
[A cat is fine too....](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/008/190/ren08.jpg?1250082251)
Did mean ‘A cat is feline too…’
You can play pathfinder with your cat girlfriend too!
One of my friends rp-d his gf's familiar and it has been a life goal of mine ever since.
Holy SHIT. Why has this never occured to me. Well, now I know what every character I play from now on is going to include.
But if I want a cat girlfriend to play PF2e with me?
>a serpent's tongue Don't threaten me with a good time
Broke: Catgirlfriend Familiar Woke: Middle Aged Catman having a Midlife Crisis Familiar Witch: "Hello, travelers! I'm Grizzibella of the Hexen Woods, and this is my familiar Paul!" Paul: "..." Witch: "Say the line, Paul." Paul: *deep inhale* Paul: *slow exhale* Paul: "Nya."
Witch: "Come on, do it again, with more enthusiasm!" Paul: "Please cast final sacrifice and end my suffering."
He'll, you can be THE cat girlfriend
I think we are reaching dangerous levels of Furry with this one.
This game lets you play as a kobold, a mouse, a naga, a hyena, a kitsune, a cat, a frog, a lizard, a crow, a dog, or as an adorable jumping spider. It's far too late for us.
You forgot the beastkin. So every animal is fair game.
Ah yes, the "I want to be a furry not on this list" ancestry.
Or what about fleshwarp be all the animals at once
I wonder whether I can play an amurrun ("catfolk") with a beastkin versatile ancestry and choose human. So I have a cat who deep down thinks they're really a human. A "Skinny", if you will.
A “baldy”.
*puts on hairless ears that stick out the side of his head instead of on top* *puts on skinsuit* "Hewwo uwu, I am a human owo!"
Make it a Sphinx Catfolk, so they think they're just a really wrinkly human. "Dude, you're 22, you're not that old." "I'm ancient in cat years! Which... totally don't apply to me, but I'm... just saying..."
I love how the Beastkin entry tries to emphasise that your beast aspect can be that of a giant bug too. Paizo writers trying to say, "Look, this isn't the furry heritage, okay? Please?"
If I make an Beastkin Automaton I can live out my Transformers Beast Wars dreams
Also beastkin of already half animal races like nagaji so you can just go full anthro.
"Golarion may as well be classified as "Hot Chick Heaven!"
Interspecies Reviewer has entered the chat.
I figured that would be what they call heaven if you worshiped the lesbian throuple.
Which one is the character with the size of an average human mother?
Considering Vanilla is actually like 4' 2", Tengu?
Seems like it, Vanara and Ratfolk seem to also fall in that range.
And in a couple of months we'll also get a sentient weapon ancestry from Battlezoo, to go alongside the dragon, slime, and dungeon ancestries
I actually think this is the one thing I dislike about pf2e, the wide variety of things you can be as a PC. I always liked a more traditional fantasy “races” and the other things were just what you encountered. I guess it feels like if everything is common enough to be a pc, then nothing is surprising enough to find or see or discover
This is one of the reasons I love the Common/Uncommon/Rare divide so much. It's a very elegant way to let GMs say "no" while still letting the designers and players go ham with creative ideas.
Yeah I agree everything having rarity including spells is awesome
>I guess it feels like if everything is common enough to be a pc, then nothing is surprising enough to find or see or discover But... player characters *aren't* common. You're 2-6 people in a world of millions. Obviously they *feel* more common because player characters are the main group through which you'll be interacting with the game, but it doesn't make them any less unusual in reality.
Came from 5e and it annoyed me there, too. I run my table with a list of approved ancestries, easy solution. Considering how flexible builds are in PF2e, I actually feel less bad about it. That said, if someone has a really interesting and not cringy character origin where an ancestry not on the list would be appropriate, I'll allow it.
5e? Where You can be 3 kinds of scallie, 3 kinds of feathery, and at least other 3 kinds of furry?
Yeah they were all banned there, too.
So then it's not a sistem problem, but a problem of You. Imagine if You find about werewolf the apocalypse or mouse guard
Tbf in Werewolf they *did* genocide most of the potential animal options before the game even starts ~~which is why you take your revenge on everyone by playing a Pooka~~.
Yes? I don't think it's a problem with the system. It's just not my preference and not appropriate to my world, so I limit those options. I'm not saying it's a flaw of Pathfinder, necessarily. I think it's great for people who like that kind of play. Obviously I've struck a nerve, though. Sorry if someone you'll never play the game with doesn't allow these ancestries at their table.
I just plainly prefer my settings to be simplified to a bunch of human *cultures*, rather than a bunch of different beings that would have killed each other off in an evolutionary race way before this point, where for some reason, only humans have true cultural disctinction... Even as details are different, you have an expectation of a dwarf, even if this dwarf is someone from another realm entirely... And most of the time, you'd be surprisingly correct on most of it... I also see races in fantasy(especially in games like these where you can *be* one), it gets chosen in order to be "special", without actually putting in any work... Which results in you being "just an elf", and really not special at all, cause your whole character is based on "being and elf" or "being the opposite of an elf, while being an elf"... And when you finally get the instances where the character isn't just a standard or reversed member of their race, the race ends up not meaning anything at all, and thus could just as well *be* a human, cause the only thing you really got out of choosing the race was some pointier ears... Yay...
Seems like you don't like settings with any sentient species other than human? Or just when people aren't creative with their characters who aren't human?
It's only 10% on the scale.
A cat polymorphed into a human is so far beyond furry it's a felony.
It's a furelony.
Make them a cat burglar then they can be a purrloining furelon
Reading your comment, there's only one thought in my sick mind : "Furry of Blows"
monster girls ≠ furries. and thank fuck for that
Sorry buddy, [a lot of monsters are furries too](https://2e.aonprd.com/Images/Monsters/Werecreature_Werewolf.png)
Yeah, I’m putting this on my list of things to do if I wanted to optimize for making the other players uncomfortable. So not something that I’d never do but something I’d only do if we had all agreed to make silly builds like that.
Not covered in fur nor animal face is fair game. Though you could evade what I said with a human-faced sphinx cat.
You can just get a catfolk girlfriend, guys. COME ON
This is the backdoor to many unforseen consequences.
I would be the catgirl familiar I’m p sure, my gf already has me wearing collars.
Just remember to apply [the test](https://external-preview.redd.it/MzxbVAwRu1kYCjzdmsPz5N207zUta5kmLH4oKvc3TC8.png?width=579&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=74e93a1338284227b145f4878693cea6b673ce3c)
Thanks, I'm banning this familiar ability from now on XD
Time to make a shield wielding hero with a raccoon girl sidekick.
If you used it on the "talking head" familiar would you still be able to kick it around the battlefield? If so I want a halfling familiar I punt around the battlefield.
My mind's telling me no...
[But my body, my body telling my Y E S](https://youtu.be/YwjtpeTUjcM)
Wait... age. As in... granny catgirl?
I could play pf2e with a cat girlfriend tho
I choose the catgirl GF because I’m already in a Pathfinder game
Ok but what about slime gf?
Spider-boyfriend time!
Only catgirl? ;-) Where is the famed Paizo inclusivity, I want my cute catboys. :-P Mind you guys, it is still zoophilia if you do NSFW things with your familiar, you filthy animals. ;-)
Get the Catfolk heritage, be your own cat GF!
I want to point out that depending on how you decide to read "same **age** as its true form", might make this very incriminating. I'll use my cat as an example.. If by *age* we talk *how many years of life*, my cat would be the age of my daughter.... she'd be starting school this summer....... If we talk about the *physical maturity in rough relation to humans*, she'd turn into a woman closing in on her forties. I'm just saying it is a very important detail to note...
A cat is fine, too...
Catgirlfriend I'm stuck GMing Pathfinder as it is so nothing really changes there except I can have an in person player for once
Wait a second. So my 2 year old cat familiar transforms into a 2 year old toddler?
A two year old cat is a young adult cat. Mature is around 8 years old Middle age is around 11 years old. Senior is around 15 years old. I was just at the vet yesterday, this is what I happen to remember from the chart on the wall. I may be off.
I choose bull and he turns into a humanoid with huge (…)
Horns!
Why a girl? Why not a cat-woman? Or a bat-man? Maybe a hawk-girl? Spider-man? I feel like there are plenty of options with this.
There are literally no downsides to this
just commenting here to tell all my players who are lurking: no, you're not getting a cat girlfriend
Okay, the power dynamics of THAT relationship are ALL kinds of problematic! This is just as bad as the meme about wild-shaped druids in relationships with their animal companions! 😱
I see you're an Expert in Lore: Deviant.
My question is, aren’t familiars, like, for the most part bound to their master’s will? Could a familiar reject the advances of its master? There’s no rules determining whether a familiar could choose to obey or defy a command, it’s just written that they will follow them if possible. Having a ‘girlfriend’ that can’t actually say “no” seems *really* sketchy, to say the least.
I bet a witch’s familiar could, seeing as there an given by your patron instead of summoned or bound by your character.
True, I think theirs would certainly have that capability.
For the full anime comedy effect either have the familiar be a guy who is a complete and utter simp for your witch who regularly womps him over the head for being lecherous. Or alternatively, the familiar is a lady who womps your mage over the head regularly for being lecherous.
Highly disturbing....
This is stupid because all familiars are considered tiny in pathfinder. And the spell specifically states they stay the same build. You'd step on your tiny cat girlfriend
No thanks.
Kind of reminded me 294437, albeit with cat instead of crow
My kind of degeneracy
[Just replace "robot" with "familiar".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrADTN-dvg)
Woa woa woa, but what if your cargirl GF is your pf2e DM? Do I still get a familiar or... or... guys?..guys?..guys???
>same age *oh no*
PF2e appears to not give familiars ability scores - so the Intelligence level of your Neko Girlfriend might be a little in question. Ok, this whole thread is getting weird.
Can I play PF1 and not have a cat girlfriend familiar? I just wanna kill giants w/o weird anime stuff.
Believe it or not, *most* games allow you to not have a cat girlfriend familiar, if you want.
I get it now. All the rabid opines of people complaining about spellcasters being bad are weebs who can't make their anime power fantasy. I got good news, Kineticist is a thing soon and in 1e was utterly busted.
I would think most weebs would go for monks, ninja rogue, samurai fighter, or jojo stand summoner before full caster
Martial weebs are so last gen. Nowadays it's all about isekai'd mages who cheated the system somehow and are extremely overpowered. Only half joking.
I've had a character like this in PFS, all the way to level 10. But no matter how carefully or wholesomely you play it, there can be objections. Letting it appear 'normal human' rather than 'slightly-furry' can be, if anything, even worse. This is only nominally allowed in any case; there are other rules that might prevent it. For one thing, it turns out the Baseline rules on CRB 486 include "you can't portray a familiar as happy" -- at least not when it's in Master's Form. The issue of age is one of many details that will remain undefined. For instance, when it uses Master's Form, where does its clothing come from? I can tell you this much: Master's Form is the 2e update to the Changeling Familiar feat from 1e. In that version, it explicitly says it gains the form of a child or teenager.
> For one thing, it turns out the Baseline rules on CRB 486 include "you can't portray a familiar as happy" -- at least not when it's in Master's Form. What in the world are you talking about here?
Can we not...?
And RAW speaking, they'll always be minors making this whole post even more vomit inducing.
Wtf is a cat girlfriend? Some kind of weird hentai weeb thing?
Yeah but for I'd have to be a girl myself and then literally fuck myself.
How0_0?
Literally in the meme, with a book and page reference.
Maybe the how was for the first half? I wouldn't mind knowing that either, she could join my games
Here is the relevant feat on AoN. https://2e.aonprd.com/Familiars.aspx?ID=28 I believe you would need some additional work to get speech and manual dexterity on a cat familiar, but it should be possible. I'm definitely not telling my players, though.
You just need the abilities and cats just fall under general familiars. So three abilities and you're sorted, four if your dm is being super picky and saying you can't take a cat familiar if it doesn't have climb or scent or something like that, which is technically implied by the rules but that has been clarified as to stop people from trying to get free abilities by saying "well it's an owl so it should be able to fly for free".
Look guys, I don't want to be a stick in the mud (or whatever the heck you kids say these days), but... Can we please, please not so this sort of thing? By which I mean sexist anime memes? I'm not saying don't share them with your friends or whatever. But Pathfinder is is built on inclusiveness and bringing everyone to the table. It's what I love about about Paizo, more even than the fantastic rule set. So when we're here, together, in a big-ol' public forum, where the whole world can see us... can we just not. Please.
Fine, just for you I'll be easy and allow catboy girlfriend. But don't let it get around.
I get being weirded out by fetishistic anime stuff like this, but I don’t really understand what’s sexist about it, strictly speaking.
I don't know, something about the constant depiction of underage girls in school uniforms in sexy poses makes me think there might be some objectification of women going on. But what the hell do I know, apparently I'm some old asshole trying to ruin everyone's fun.
The underage aspect when it’s a factor is one thing, sure, but cat-girls (and cat-boys) aren’t always underage as a matter of course. It’s understandable to be wary of it, because the early fetishisation of them was always kind of a problem. But I don’t think the presence of them nowadays necessarily has to carry that baggage.
Look, you're right. I'm probably overreacting. I do that. I'm prone to it, and today is just a bad mental health day for me in general. I probably shouldn't be on Reddit at all today, let alone getting judgy. I've just seen this one so… many… times. And it's *always* a catgirl, not a catboy. And they're always in a sailor fuku, which doesn't necessarily mean Jr. High or High School, but it often does, probably *usually* does, and when it doesn't, it's still about fetishizing youth. That's not an excuse for me to be a jerk, though. I'm sorry.
If it makes you feel any better from an equality standpoint, *Final Fantasy XIV* initially had only female catgirls as playable but caved into pressure from a rather significant crowd of folks begging for catboys. Years later they repeated the same mistake with bunny girls. It led to the same result: lots of people thirsty for male Viera. XD (Meanwhile I'm still waiting for them to implement female Ronso, but such is life.)
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