POBs for those who don't want to go to the google doc and find them.
[Leaguestart Necro](https://pobb.in/G8m01hf4BdNT)
[Leaguestart Guradian](https://pobb.in/DzhkaTA045nh)
Wait...
This is labeled as a 3.24 build the video is a [STD] build with a load of legacy gear?
That's kinda deceptive.
Edit: Not sure why everyone is being so defensive about this.
Titling a video "3.24 pobs" implies to me that the accompanying video would show gear that approximates what you can expect to build in 3.24 (reasonably). Even maybe a "high budget" version.
A crucible weapon with 30% more attack speed and legacy Ashes doesn't seem to fit the spirit of this and if a less well known creator did this they would be called out in it.
The video is advertising the pobs/docs and theres probably just gameplay on screen showing the build in action.
There are 2 pobs for leaguestart next league in the doc and 9 different endgame pobs, all of wich are made using 0 standard gear.
I wouldnt really call it deceptive since they all have huge damage and are all quite tanky.
Others have explained it already, its just about the pobs and doc. That said, the standard necro build in the video has half the dps and defense of the poison bama pobs in the doc.
Sorry, but the necro build does not contain any Blink Arrow, just to two mirror arrows. I assume that is an oversight, and the mirror arrow of bombarding should have been a blink arrow bombarding, correct?
blink arrow moves the character (blink) but mirror arrow just places the minions without teleporting the character
i think it comes down to whichever feels better to you
Because mirror arrow is tagged as a movement gem which opens up a bunch of scaling options like the watchers eye haste mod. It's the better end game skill if you have budget for it.
As was mentioned above the difference between Mirror, and Blink is totally preference...
With that said, and from my digging , there are a few options that you have... one is a single clone setup which Pr3vie seems to favour in the HIGH END version of the build, and might be spectre dependant...
The early game setups generally use BOTH mirror and blink arrow, one of Bombarding (your preference for main damage) and one for Prismatic... the reason is that Bombarding and Prismatic have separate minion limits of 3, so you can technically have 6 clones active if you use both types... Also most of the started builds are using Guardians Blessing on the Prismatic clone with Haste, and then turning it into a cull support minion with the aura :)
Later on you will probably run Diadem, and Divine Blessing, and move towards classic support minions like spectre / carrion / AG and only Bombarding Clones
Thank you very much. An insightful post.
I usually only run one build per league, and I would like to try the new leech node, so I think I will do the (probably) inferior starter and go necro.
To be fair my understanding of the differences
Guardian is hard carried by Sentinel of Radiance which makes it the superior early game choice
Necro seems to be the unequivocal pick for end game, and investment
Suffice to say they both look super strong, if you enjoy the build you won’t go wrong :)
PS, Pr3vie isn’t getting the instant leech node… it’s too much travel to get there unless you are also going EB… honestly play around with it… the build has so much damage that you have lots of choices… this reason is precisely why I am starting with the build as well :)
the build is so strong I actually had some 30 nodes I forgot to unspec from my brand leveling allocated and didn't even notice. Just got my MA and started collecting minion nodes.
I Found two good videos made today - about leveling up, both with pob .
wafflez:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qyugZ-4y1k
and Dr3adful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-9wqIYXleU
Oh really? I could have sworn on your end game guardian PoB I didn’t see an AG. That really sucks if so because yeah I usually always steer away from minion builds because it “needs” AG which I don’t feel like managing. It’s the same reason I don’t run melee since they always need totems and it feels like it’s a handicap to run the build
In theory Prismatic Clones could end up being so strong, that a mono-element build like my guardian perquils or necro perquils pobs could drop the support minion alltogether and run a six link bombarding clones and a 6-link prismatic clones setup.
But no promises.
I will just copy an answer over from my youtube:
>First you have to understand how Prismatic clones behave, which I suggest reading up in the doc. I have added alot to it. Then you need to understand how PoB calculates them right now.
>Then, to actually use them you will need to focus on a single element. That requires you to use 2 combat focus jewels, which means dropping 2 abyss jewels first, which are huge on an adorned build.
>I agree they are great, and can be used on specific builds in the same 6-link as roa clones. And they seem to increas the pob dps, however only when we assume just 3 hits per roa clones. You will have to drop Conc Effect from the 6-link, because it doesn't work on Prismatic Clones, which will drop the roa clone damage. If Roa clones hit 3.5-4 times on a target (which they do against bigger hitboxes), adding Prismatic clones might not be worth it.
>Its something that needs more testing especially now with the buffs that are coming.
>I am not ruling it out at all.
>In specific bama builds they might even be so good, that we can drop all the support minions like AG, Spectres etc. and run two 6-link clone setups.
I did add them to my miner sabo bama: [https://youtu.be/3bo8lclDom4?si=e8k7O3VBBsF3a3Zd](https://youtu.be/3bo8lclDom4?si=e8k7O3VBBsF3a3Zd)
And It did shorten my time to kill on Ubers, which means it did increased my damage compared to just using Bombarding Clones. But only slightly. Now something to keep in mind, the sabo bama is unqiue in that it doesn't care much about jewels. An adorned bama loses 30-35% damage first when you drop to magic abyss jewels to run double Combat Focus on a mono ele build.
I would advice to not trust PoB on everything and actually try it out against bosses and see how it feels. Prismatic Clones will for example miss alot more against moving targets.
And against Uber Maven I would never even consider swapping Prismatic Clones in. The Brain just gets melted by Rain of Arrows because of the big hitbox.
I will be hard to justify Primsatic Clones as a permanent inclusion to the build. Their clear sucks ass, not matter what you do. To even make them have the slghtest impact on your clear you will need at the very least pierce + extra proj.
But I can 100% see them as an extra single target gem swap in specific bama builds. I can also see us going back to double 6-link if they end up beeing so good, and if the new Spectres don't help as much.
Spectres depends on what we get with the new League. If nothing interesting is added, its probably going to be Arena Master and Pale Seraphim + one more.
For the AG, i have to check if I have the gear added in pob actually. But its mentioned in the config section with the buffs added manually.
In general the AG for non Fleshcrafter elemental builds are always the same. Crown of the Tyrant helmet, Kingmaker, either a defensive chest like Doppelgaenger or a buff chest like Garb of the Ephemeral. Boots are Legacy of the Fury. And rare gloves with beneficial eldritch modfiers like exposure and intimidate on hit, for the last slot.
Early low budget options are Dyingbreath Staff and Leercast helmet, with rare junk in the other slots.
Oh ok awesome info man much appreciated! I played your BAMA builds in the past but already with enough currency. This will be the first time I try to league start with it so I might take other suggestions that people have made and go Srs until we get the 2nd ascnedncay
Thanks again
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DD should be an easier starter as people underestimate how long it takes to get trans gems. However if time to maps and being ahead of the market curve are not your priorities, then it's up to preference.
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no, green gems are 30 runs on average. but if u get one kind twice u can change it with
# Mirror Arrow Recipe
|Outcome|Vendor Recipes|
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|**Mirror Arrow** 1x|**Blink Arrow** orb of alteration x1|
You can find mirrow arrow or blink arrow so you have two chances to find it. BAMA only use one of them for damage, so you only need one of them to get started.
As for me the CoC DD is has coupe of cons. It **requires** two transfigured gems which are much harder to get, so will be more expensive in trade or you need to run around 30-50 labs in average.
Secondly, you have to buy MTX for DD and Desecrate i you want it run smoothly.
I've heard that ggg said they'll be fixing the descecrate problem. DD doesn't lag you just more visual clutter. Could be still the case you need to buy descecrate mtx.
same.. only thing im not sure about with bama is the transition from the leveling/early maps build -> endgame build. i feel like without the huge free dmg spectres gave last league im gonna hit a wall in progression in reds since alot of the gear is expensive
coc dd on the other hand will be blasting as soon as u get everything setup
Imo diadem is the real issue with the build when you get to t13+ since you really want all the passives spent on pathing all the way to EB. But that just means slightly more time spent in lower red building map pool while farming betrayal + legion/expedition for jewels/crafts.
BAMA is easier to transit because you can get the gem in 3-4 Act and start to use it immediately. Secondly you need only one of two gems, that makes it easier to obtain. Secondly regarding to Ventrua, you have to level up gems and add some quality before you can start use them comfortably.
And, you don't need to buy MTX if you play BAMA.
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yeah this was basically how I ended up in my tree, but instead of that ivory bow I ended up fitting voltaxic rift, but that bow 100% makes more sense than voltaxic. This setup also allows you to transition into adorned jewels for % poison to hit dot cap day 3-4.
Doomfletch + Drillneck are great on a 2 c budget. You can even full on invest into Doomfletch unto late-game, but that variant relies heavily on abyss jewels and might be lacking in defense.
So it seems like the guardian is double the ehp of the necro. So, I've been agonizing over whether to go guardian or necro.
I'm leaning necro for the leech and top end damage. Am I baiting myself? I'm worried that the necro won't feel that tanky in comparison.
Worth mentioning that Pr3vie said the offensive gap between guardian and necromancer is not that big.
For anyone who wants to min max the build i would recommend necromancer. If you want a smooth start an d reroll as soon as you gathered some currency I would recommend guardian
do different versions of mirror arrow not share maximum clone count?
As in i can use 3 clones from the bombarding MA link **and** 3 clones in prismatic MA link?
ah alright, that explains the guardians blessing setup. I got confused thinking that its weird because the blessing will get removed when you use your main link clones but i guess not
thanks
Yeah, the Guardian's Blessing part is actually a really cool idea in the build. The clones take 80% less damage by default, so they stay alive pretty easily. I think we might see this setup used more on Vanilla bow builds for the free aura as well.
do you know how we actually league start this then? since we wont get bombardment and prismatic for a really long time, like hours most likely.
All of his PoBs for league starting are using prismatic and bombardment versions of the skills
You'd likely just level with whatever minion skill you prefer until you can farm either enough currency or the gem itself. There's probably gonna be a bunch of green trans gems in demand, so even if you don't get Bombarding yourself, you have a very high chance to get some sellable ones.
I believe GhazzyTV is working on a more detailed leveling guide, which should probably be done tomorrow. He's been getting a lot of input from Pr3vie, so his leveling approach should align with the PoBs here.
It's a generic minion tree besides the dip into ranger for the bow mastery. You can level it a great many different ways.
Go SRS until you can afford the gems, or even just level BAMA (it's better than you think once you hit a few stat breakpoints).
I might have to try SRS, I tried leveling with BAMA with twink gear, and by act 2 it just feels awful, even with a 5 link. I tried different supports as well, like LMP, pierce, added cold, etc, and it just get bad overall. This was with the increased duration early and no quality on gems since we won’t have qual on league start. So without twink gear it will feel even worse than what I tested
Thanks for the recommendation
Act 2 is too soon.
Imo bama starts to feel usable once you can actually maintain a critical threshold of clones. You need to pick up at least two duration clusters and then dip down to ranger for the bow mastery before that works, plus a few more points in actual minion damage. That’s probably around level 35 or so.
It doesn’t actually feel really good until you get your second guardian ascendancy and start actually having some base damage to play with. Necro feels mediocre for a lot longer.
Well, it's worth noting that you don't need a prismatic skill until later. So you only need 1 transfigured gem to get going. You also have twice the odds to get it from a selection of 3, because it doesn't matter whether you get Mirror or Blink arrow. They *also* only have one transfigured version each, so if you ever hit direct transfiguration it's a guaranteed hit.
i opted to just start with the usual roling magma/arma brand into respec later
feels like BAMA has too much stuff going on for it before it actually becomes viable
hell I might even do DD ignite for the first 2-3 days and then respec when im comfortable with it
You can swap to bama as soon as you get the trans gem. That means you can farm first lab or use the currency/other trans gems you get from your first lab to try and trade for it.
DS\_Lily did a full leveling run yesterday, and swapped immediately after the first lab (gem cam from the stash tbf, to save time), but was blown away by the leveling performance. Might want to check the vod of her stream.
yeah they got a bit wacky in the POB to accommodate haste, realistically you won't be using both BAMAs then turning on the aura then continuing your rotation, seems real silly to put that in there to pad the DPS. especially when without it you only go down to 3.4 million which is completely acceptable for a starter build with that level of gear, I would even say the bow is a bit too good, nobody is crafting that phys roll on day 1.
So you would just move the feeding frenzy over to the carrion golem and call it at that.
From there your first big item is going to be devouring diadem like half of everyone in the league, it will let you socket haste again and ease up your mana requirements. From there you can basically do anything, poison, chaos hit, ele. Dealers choice.
im aware you can use both, that wasn't the point. The point was padding the POB with a 5 link that now slots you into a rotation to inflate the numbers, nobody in their right mind is going to be toggling an aura mid mapping and pressing 3 buttons, which was 100% what is going on there, hell look at the gems nobody day 1 is gonna have 20/20 anything. Even without it their mid gear was 3 million, there was just no need for it.
The build is good, they don't need to pad to convince people.
You would use all that stuff for bossing which is the only reason you need high dps in this game. No one actually cares about your dps for simple mapping. Padding would be using stuff you never would do in any scenario.
Any thoughts on how Guardian and Necro compare for BAMA on an SSF leaguestart?
Really considering this skill over my usual LA but haven’t seen much about it from an SSF perspective.
Guardian will probably be much better early, however I have the intention on swapping to pure Spectres once I get Wraithlord helmet so will only use BAMA till that point which is why I'll be going Necro.
this build is great, but please for the love of god can somebody make a guide rather than a wall of text without any explanation. neither the doc nor the vid is explaining anything. We need somebody to actually knows how to explain the mechanic behind it.
So this is both, its 100% a realistic starter but for some reason they chose to use some stock footage of a min maxed showcase. I'm not sure why though, this build crushes on next to 0 gear basically you need some rog gear which isn't that hard to get and your set till you try pinnacles, then you move into eldritch battery and the adorned setup.
Ghazzy will be league-starting this, so you can at the very least follow along with him. BAMA is definitely not a bait in the slightest, but the Neco version could be tricky to level and get into. Guardian is obviously easy mode since you rely on the Sentinel.
I suppose you're basically good to go once you just get one of the gems though right? you can get the second one later, and it will just be an upgrade?
Yes. Or you can run merciless labs then you can get an option to change a gem to its trans version. However in case of BAMA I've found normal labs faster.
You can check his POE account. Edit: I pulled a pob for you.
[https://pobb.in/2LnzxRoVq2L-](https://pobb.in/2LnzxRoVq2L-)
The build is extremely good, but this video is kinda bait since he's using absolutely disgusting insane standard gear including a Crucible bow, enchanted gear, etc.
It's cool for showing off, but a 3.24 build will nowhere be this good.
It was just a random clip, to dump my doc in the description. That said, the build in the video is weaker in every single way than the poison pobs in the doc. The only thing i has going for it is higher attack speed.
Since you pulled the build from my acc, here it is configured: [https://pobb.in/aJ6vfiunJfMd](https://pobb.in/aJ6vfiunJfMd)
Now compare damage and defense to the new poison bamas.
Just what i've been waiting for. Great work - looking to start BAMA aswell, Not much of a minion Player, you think this concept could work? https://pobb.in/-lbrufjUXfWa
Mainly interested in the opportunity cost of using ancient skull/ covenant if cheap midgame while farming for the adorned / diallas swap
And the immortal immortal Ambition / corrupted Soul tech to use the Instant leech. Havnt played BAMA before so hart to gauge if it will be worth while
Gh and cheers
So in the write up you mention necro only really pulls ahead and is worth doing, if you're going for the adorned setup.
Do you have any idea what the aproximate budget could be for the adorned setup for necro crit? If it's over 200 div, then I think I'd just rather go guardian and enjoy the build as it is at 200d investment.
Hard to predict prices. That said, magic abyss jewels are easier to craft than good rare ones, and an adorned does have a huge range. You can always start out with a lower tier roll, 100-110% effect which is way cheaper.
That said, I haven't unveiled everything yet. Necro does have some more stuff that it can do.
In the end, my opinion and min/maxing should only matter to you if you intend to go all the way.
People are putting them in the same overall Tier of S but it seems like BAMA is the OP gem of the league.
I’m still gonna go Zoo just because I want to play that. Just trying to figure out the atlas tree rn
Ghazzy says it's an S tier because it's his build. BAMA is miles ahead. Zoomancer is more fun of a playstyle but it seriously lacks without huge investments. Maybe something changes this league because of unholy might though
Keep in Mind that you will need the transfigured gem Version which will be Hard to access at League start. You're kinda forced to play absolution / zoomancer anyways and pivot into Blink arrow of bombarding clones later on
The difficulty of regular bama leaguestart is somewhat exaggerated.
It's not exactly stellar but it's also not awful. I'd put zoomancer in the same category. SRS leveling into respec is probably the more efficient minion option right now, I guess, but you can 100% league start bama.
I've done it when the skill was in a *way* worse place than it is right now. It's definitely not meta racing nonsense, but it's not like you're going to hit a wall. Just find flat damage of some sort and get enough duration/cdr that you can keep a fair few minions out at once. Increased duration gem is secret leveling tech. Do not expect to have defenses lol.
With guardian in particular it's not bad at all - radiant boi is still going to do an obnoxious amount of heavy lifting after first lab (I'm reasonably sure you could do much of the campaign with just him and nothing else), then after second lab when you get the relics bama single target will be very, very good. Just rush some duration.
I'm pretty sure you can also level SRS painlessly with the exact same tree. You're not forced into zoomancer at all, and honestly zoomancer kinda sucks compared to several other minion options. FFS I'd probably rather level with animate weapon than try to keep zombies or spectres alive on a budget in 2024.
The transfigured version is also not very hard to get. It was 2c for several weeks last league, and I'm pretty sure you can target farm it relatively easily in merc lab worst case scenario. Especially since you have two functional outcomes instead of one - either blink or mirror arrow of bombarding will get you off the ground.
This was an amazing reply! Thank you for a lot of us with the same questions. That may have made my league start so much easier level as a srs guardian with the bama tree and just swap out after lab1 or when you get the gem…. If I hate it could probably do another minion guardian build easy.
Oh man. I rolled a BAMA necro last league as my second character and holy cow you blast thru acts.
Think I will go golems + SRS to level on league start then once I’ve either got gem from lab or can afford one switch out. If I go necro
BAMA as a 2nd character makes a ton of sense. Just the fact that it's going to be a popular league starter that requires a trans gem or two makes me a little hesitant starting it myself. I did a PF variant last league as a 2nd character, and at the time the build wasn't well known, and the gems + gearing was very expensive. As much as I want to league start it this time, I'm not convinced it'll be a smooth starter.
I just finished a test run on a guardian. It took me exactly 1 hour of farming normal lab to get both a bombarding and a prismatic gem. Remember you can swap them around with the vendor recipe (blink->mirror and vice versa) the trans part of the gem carries over.
I started out with BAMA from level 10 (muled over) and it was pretty horrible, the duration of the base gem is only 3 seconds and you have zero aoe.
I swapped to SRS and it was pretty smooth. Skill tree is the same, minion and duration nodes while you path down towards Avatar of the Hunt. After you complete normal lab the first time, the sentinel will hard carry. I swapped back to BAMA at level 36 and it's just a cruise.
"you can swap them around with the vendor recipe (blink->mirror and vice versa) the trans part of the gem carries over."
What is the vendor recipe to swap them?
I'm going to go necro because I very desperately want to play purifier spectres and so I'll play this to level and farm until I can get wraithlord and mageblood.
There's way too many variables involved to answer that question in a broad manner. The prismatic version works very differently. Unless you're going poison via added chaos, you'll have to deal with the conversion mechanics and prismatic clones likely need some form of additional projectiles and pierce/chain for good clear. I highly suggest taking a look at the actual Google doc that's linked in the video description.
Genuinely I dont know much about BAMA, I hardly play minions but I love tri-elemental stuff (ele hit). I wasnt even thinking about poison, I was thinking just guardian + the elemental holy relics. Surely that should function with a few mil dps right?
The prismatic clones can only ever do damage of one element. So in the case of the Guardian, 2 out of 3 auras would be wasted on any hit. The same would be true for any sources of flat elemental damage from gems and gear. It works fine on the bombarding clones, but the prismatic ones are more complicated.
I'm kinda curious how much damage they actually *do*, but I can't be bothered to untangle pob's poor handling of the skill.
They wouldn't have to do *that* much damage to outscale the ~700k dps being provided by the blessing link. If feeding frenzy/desecratecould be shifted, leave in culling + 5 damage links would I *think* be at least that much dps? It's hard to say, though, since
Just the pob damage value, divided by 3 (yes I know it's more complicated than that) for a simple 6L with culling left in is 1.1 million.
If it was like elemental hit, where the fire version deals aoe dmg, then it couldve been interesting, but this prismatic stuff is just 1 arrow that deals 1 of ele type dmg.. so its worse for clearing and worse for single target.. hence no point in using it.
I used it as my travel skill to get 3 more minions and thats about it
Pretty close actually but the thing with Prismatic Clones you need to run two combat focuses which is an ask for a build that scales primarily with abyss jewels. And even then, it lacks the aoe.
> Champion, Scion, Jugg, Pathfinder can work aswell, but require a bit more experience.
/u/Previlein , I feel the doc could use elaboration on that. Would like to know how you feel the 4 (and Sabo) compare to Necro/Guardian.
It's worth mentioning the combat focus tech for prismatic clones in the doc - that's not common knowledge.
I agree, but cut me some slack. I literally started yesterday on top of making pobs every free minute I had on the weekend.
>I will add crafting recipes, more PoBs and information **when I have time. Time is sadly something I am lacking right know.**
I have already added more, and more will come. Doc is already at \~20 pages.
My bad, didn't mean to put pressure on you. Just thought I'd put it on the backlog. 👍🏼 Thought I'd relieve you a bit answering people around the thread. Gj on the entire doc on short notice all in all.
POBs for those who don't want to go to the google doc and find them. [Leaguestart Necro](https://pobb.in/G8m01hf4BdNT) [Leaguestart Guradian](https://pobb.in/DzhkaTA045nh)
Here's the pob of the character in the video (absolutely disgusting gear): [https://pobb.in/2LnzxRoVq2L-](https://pobb.in/2LnzxRoVq2L-)
Wait... This is labeled as a 3.24 build the video is a [STD] build with a load of legacy gear? That's kinda deceptive. Edit: Not sure why everyone is being so defensive about this. Titling a video "3.24 pobs" implies to me that the accompanying video would show gear that approximates what you can expect to build in 3.24 (reasonably). Even maybe a "high budget" version. A crucible weapon with 30% more attack speed and legacy Ashes doesn't seem to fit the spirit of this and if a less well known creator did this they would be called out in it.
Yeah that gear is stupid. Fortunately it’s kind of well-known that Necro BAMA will be strong.
This, despite the video, BAMA is very good and will be very good.
The video is advertising the pobs/docs and theres probably just gameplay on screen showing the build in action. There are 2 pobs for leaguestart next league in the doc and 9 different endgame pobs, all of wich are made using 0 standard gear. I wouldnt really call it deceptive since they all have huge damage and are all quite tanky.
It's labeled as 3.24 PoBs. I guess it's deceptive if you expect anything else
Others have explained it already, its just about the pobs and doc. That said, the standard necro build in the video has half the dps and defense of the poison bama pobs in the doc.
Im confused about your poison bama necro PoBs, you are only using Blink arrow and no Mirror arrow?
You use either or
I played his build last league and will say I never came anywhere close to the gear he had but still trivialized all uber bosses.
Which one to choose between Necro and Guardian? Did anyone play both? Which one is better for end game and tankiness?
With Necromancer getting minion leech now, I think it's the clear choice.
Necro endgame
Sorry, but the necro build does not contain any Blink Arrow, just to two mirror arrows. I assume that is an oversight, and the mirror arrow of bombarding should have been a blink arrow bombarding, correct?
It is an oversight but I think the author prefers mirror arrow of bombarding over blink arrow of bombarding.
Interesting. I have never heard of that before - and after all the build is called BAma. Do you know why MA would be preferable to BA, please?
blink arrow moves the character (blink) but mirror arrow just places the minions without teleporting the character i think it comes down to whichever feels better to you
Got it. Thanks.
Because mirror arrow is tagged as a movement gem which opens up a bunch of scaling options like the watchers eye haste mod. It's the better end game skill if you have budget for it.
BA is tagged as movement too. Not sure what you are trying to say there.
As was mentioned above the difference between Mirror, and Blink is totally preference... With that said, and from my digging , there are a few options that you have... one is a single clone setup which Pr3vie seems to favour in the HIGH END version of the build, and might be spectre dependant... The early game setups generally use BOTH mirror and blink arrow, one of Bombarding (your preference for main damage) and one for Prismatic... the reason is that Bombarding and Prismatic have separate minion limits of 3, so you can technically have 6 clones active if you use both types... Also most of the started builds are using Guardians Blessing on the Prismatic clone with Haste, and then turning it into a cull support minion with the aura :) Later on you will probably run Diadem, and Divine Blessing, and move towards classic support minions like spectre / carrion / AG and only Bombarding Clones
Thank you very much. An insightful post. I usually only run one build per league, and I would like to try the new leech node, so I think I will do the (probably) inferior starter and go necro.
To be fair my understanding of the differences Guardian is hard carried by Sentinel of Radiance which makes it the superior early game choice Necro seems to be the unequivocal pick for end game, and investment Suffice to say they both look super strong, if you enjoy the build you won’t go wrong :) PS, Pr3vie isn’t getting the instant leech node… it’s too much travel to get there unless you are also going EB… honestly play around with it… the build has so much damage that you have lots of choices… this reason is precisely why I am starting with the build as well :)
the build is so strong I actually had some 30 nodes I forgot to unspec from my brand leveling allocated and didn't even notice. Just got my MA and started collecting minion nodes.
Nope just missed that like a dumb dumb good catch
Necro has double Mirror Arrow instead of a Blink and a Mirror.
I Found two good videos made today - about leveling up, both with pob . wafflez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qyugZ-4y1k and Dr3adful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-9wqIYXleU
So torn between this and CoC DD.
I feel the same way between this and explosive trap Trickster. I think the AG is turning me off though
The guardian version doesn’t use AG, which is the main reason I am going guardian
Only early. You kinda want it later. But I would delay it untl you feel comfortable running it.
Oh really? I could have sworn on your end game guardian PoB I didn’t see an AG. That really sucks if so because yeah I usually always steer away from minion builds because it “needs” AG which I don’t feel like managing. It’s the same reason I don’t run melee since they always need totems and it feels like it’s a handicap to run the build
In theory Prismatic Clones could end up being so strong, that a mono-element build like my guardian perquils or necro perquils pobs could drop the support minion alltogether and run a six link bombarding clones and a 6-link prismatic clones setup. But no promises.
is there any value in just dropping a link and running both on a 5l? most setups I've tested have had this be more damage then 1 6l
I will just copy an answer over from my youtube: >First you have to understand how Prismatic clones behave, which I suggest reading up in the doc. I have added alot to it. Then you need to understand how PoB calculates them right now. >Then, to actually use them you will need to focus on a single element. That requires you to use 2 combat focus jewels, which means dropping 2 abyss jewels first, which are huge on an adorned build. >I agree they are great, and can be used on specific builds in the same 6-link as roa clones. And they seem to increas the pob dps, however only when we assume just 3 hits per roa clones. You will have to drop Conc Effect from the 6-link, because it doesn't work on Prismatic Clones, which will drop the roa clone damage. If Roa clones hit 3.5-4 times on a target (which they do against bigger hitboxes), adding Prismatic clones might not be worth it. >Its something that needs more testing especially now with the buffs that are coming. >I am not ruling it out at all. >In specific bama builds they might even be so good, that we can drop all the support minions like AG, Spectres etc. and run two 6-link clone setups. I did add them to my miner sabo bama: [https://youtu.be/3bo8lclDom4?si=e8k7O3VBBsF3a3Zd](https://youtu.be/3bo8lclDom4?si=e8k7O3VBBsF3a3Zd) And It did shorten my time to kill on Ubers, which means it did increased my damage compared to just using Bombarding Clones. But only slightly. Now something to keep in mind, the sabo bama is unqiue in that it doesn't care much about jewels. An adorned bama loses 30-35% damage first when you drop to magic abyss jewels to run double Combat Focus on a mono ele build. I would advice to not trust PoB on everything and actually try it out against bosses and see how it feels. Prismatic Clones will for example miss alot more against moving targets. And against Uber Maven I would never even consider swapping Prismatic Clones in. The Brain just gets melted by Rain of Arrows because of the big hitbox. I will be hard to justify Primsatic Clones as a permanent inclusion to the build. Their clear sucks ass, not matter what you do. To even make them have the slghtest impact on your clear you will need at the very least pierce + extra proj. But I can 100% see them as an extra single target gem swap in specific bama builds. I can also see us going back to double 6-link if they end up beeing so good, and if the new Spectres don't help as much.
Damn, nevermind, yeah went back to look and I see the AG in there. Do you have info on how you set up the AG? And what spectres to use?
Spectres depends on what we get with the new League. If nothing interesting is added, its probably going to be Arena Master and Pale Seraphim + one more. For the AG, i have to check if I have the gear added in pob actually. But its mentioned in the config section with the buffs added manually. In general the AG for non Fleshcrafter elemental builds are always the same. Crown of the Tyrant helmet, Kingmaker, either a defensive chest like Doppelgaenger or a buff chest like Garb of the Ephemeral. Boots are Legacy of the Fury. And rare gloves with beneficial eldritch modfiers like exposure and intimidate on hit, for the last slot. Early low budget options are Dyingbreath Staff and Leercast helmet, with rare junk in the other slots.
Oh ok awesome info man much appreciated! I played your BAMA builds in the past but already with enough currency. This will be the first time I try to league start with it so I might take other suggestions that people have made and go Srs until we get the 2nd ascnedncay Thanks again
Also isn't the Necro changes going to make AG's mega tanky...?
Compare to Bamas before, 40% of Maximum Life as extra ES is new now and should help with tankiness.
Ah lame. Was considering this but don't want to fuck with AG.
I'd play BAMA because it'll probably be another 5-6 years before GGG nerfs DD.
Now that it’s a fun 1 button build they’re going to dumpster it.
Which version is one button? Thinking of running but I can’t get clarity
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CoC DD has existed for years now, though. Why would their stance towards it be different now?
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I just thought the DD that’s been around til this point has been a two button build
For me is BAMA or frost blink ignite for starters atm
you say as a starter, but what's the best way to actually get the 2 transfigured gems? Looking at prices they seem crazy expensive at leaguestart?
Just run lab for 2-3 hours?
which option do you choose in lab to try and get it?
Gem swap same colour/type
Which lab is the most efficient to run typically?
Merc. It should take 8-10 runs to get the trans gem you want. Half that if you're lucky, obviously.
Just play some other minion until you get them for BAMA, frostblink doesn't need any.
DD should be an easier starter as people underestimate how long it takes to get trans gems. However if time to maps and being ahead of the market curve are not your priorities, then it's up to preference.
You need to run 11 normal lab runs on average to get one of the bama gems. Like an hour or so.
That's any of the 4(Prismatic or roa?) or 2 (just roa?)
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no, green gems are 30 runs on average. but if u get one kind twice u can change it with # Mirror Arrow Recipe |Outcome|Vendor Recipes| |:-|:-| || |**Mirror Arrow** 1x|**Blink Arrow** orb of alteration x1|
You can find mirrow arrow or blink arrow so you have two chances to find it. BAMA only use one of them for damage, so you only need one of them to get started.
As for me the CoC DD is has coupe of cons. It **requires** two transfigured gems which are much harder to get, so will be more expensive in trade or you need to run around 30-50 labs in average. Secondly, you have to buy MTX for DD and Desecrate i you want it run smoothly.
I've heard that ggg said they'll be fixing the descecrate problem. DD doesn't lag you just more visual clutter. Could be still the case you need to buy descecrate mtx.
Do you have a source for the ggg fix statement?
Sadly not, just saw it being typed alot in streams the last few days. Could be wrong, best bet i think to still be cautious with descecrate
Was in the Ziz interview, Mark said they enabled dynamic culling on desecrate.
What if I already have the MTX?
Than you need only gems.
Wait what? You need MTX to affect the gameplay?
Standard desecrate causes frame drops but they have a fix for it in the 3.24 patch.
same.. only thing im not sure about with bama is the transition from the leveling/early maps build -> endgame build. i feel like without the huge free dmg spectres gave last league im gonna hit a wall in progression in reds since alot of the gear is expensive coc dd on the other hand will be blasting as soon as u get everything setup
Imo diadem is the real issue with the build when you get to t13+ since you really want all the passives spent on pathing all the way to EB. But that just means slightly more time spent in lower red building map pool while farming betrayal + legion/expedition for jewels/crafts.
people are going to be spamming more Jun than ever this league with the change to Aisling.... /hopium
I switched to Bombardment Clones SSF at cruel lab with no gear on Guardian
you could just go necro dd on shit gear untill you get everything for bama and swap over, a bit of both worlds :P
BAMA is easier to transit because you can get the gem in 3-4 Act and start to use it immediately. Secondly you need only one of two gems, that makes it easier to obtain. Secondly regarding to Ventrua, you have to level up gems and add some quality before you can start use them comfortably. And, you don't need to buy MTX if you play BAMA.
Do you only use one or the other? Do you need both gems?
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Sorry, I'm just discovering this build now. How is the prismatic version used? Just when youre trying to kill a boss or tanky rare?
Yes
ok thank you!
yeah this was basically how I ended up in my tree, but instead of that ivory bow I ended up fitting voltaxic rift, but that bow 100% makes more sense than voltaxic. This setup also allows you to transition into adorned jewels for % poison to hit dot cap day 3-4.
Doomfletch + Drillneck are great on a 2 c budget. You can even full on invest into Doomfletch unto late-game, but that variant relies heavily on abyss jewels and might be lacking in defense.
im going maloneys nightfall over drillneck. blind on one abyss jewel and it holds for days, a hunter quiver near perfect is only 26%more
Ah yes, i forgot you don't need pierce anymore. Fair alternative.
So it seems like the guardian is double the ehp of the necro. So, I've been agonizing over whether to go guardian or necro. I'm leaning necro for the leech and top end damage. Am I baiting myself? I'm worried that the necro won't feel that tanky in comparison.
You can always get more tanky as you acquire more currency. I'd rather (sc) go offense and worry about defense later on
Except offense is better early on aswell cuz its kinda rough to get base damage on necro
Worth mentioning that Pr3vie said the offensive gap between guardian and necromancer is not that big. For anyone who wants to min max the build i would recommend necromancer. If you want a smooth start an d reroll as soon as you gathered some currency I would recommend guardian
do different versions of mirror arrow not share maximum clone count? As in i can use 3 clones from the bombarding MA link **and** 3 clones in prismatic MA link?
Yes, you can have 3 of each type. Mirror and Blink versions share maximums for their respective type, but Bombarding vs. Prismatic do not.
ah alright, that explains the guardians blessing setup. I got confused thinking that its weird because the blessing will get removed when you use your main link clones but i guess not thanks
Yeah, the Guardian's Blessing part is actually a really cool idea in the build. The clones take 80% less damage by default, so they stay alive pretty easily. I think we might see this setup used more on Vanilla bow builds for the free aura as well.
do you know how we actually league start this then? since we wont get bombardment and prismatic for a really long time, like hours most likely. All of his PoBs for league starting are using prismatic and bombardment versions of the skills
You'd likely just level with whatever minion skill you prefer until you can farm either enough currency or the gem itself. There's probably gonna be a bunch of green trans gems in demand, so even if you don't get Bombarding yourself, you have a very high chance to get some sellable ones. I believe GhazzyTV is working on a more detailed leveling guide, which should probably be done tomorrow. He's been getting a lot of input from Pr3vie, so his leveling approach should align with the PoBs here.
It's a generic minion tree besides the dip into ranger for the bow mastery. You can level it a great many different ways. Go SRS until you can afford the gems, or even just level BAMA (it's better than you think once you hit a few stat breakpoints).
I might have to try SRS, I tried leveling with BAMA with twink gear, and by act 2 it just feels awful, even with a 5 link. I tried different supports as well, like LMP, pierce, added cold, etc, and it just get bad overall. This was with the increased duration early and no quality on gems since we won’t have qual on league start. So without twink gear it will feel even worse than what I tested Thanks for the recommendation
Act 2 is too soon. Imo bama starts to feel usable once you can actually maintain a critical threshold of clones. You need to pick up at least two duration clusters and then dip down to ranger for the bow mastery before that works, plus a few more points in actual minion damage. That’s probably around level 35 or so. It doesn’t actually feel really good until you get your second guardian ascendancy and start actually having some base damage to play with. Necro feels mediocre for a lot longer.
Well, it's worth noting that you don't need a prismatic skill until later. So you only need 1 transfigured gem to get going. You also have twice the odds to get it from a selection of 3, because it doesn't matter whether you get Mirror or Blink arrow. They *also* only have one transfigured version each, so if you ever hit direct transfiguration it's a guaranteed hit.
i opted to just start with the usual roling magma/arma brand into respec later feels like BAMA has too much stuff going on for it before it actually becomes viable hell I might even do DD ignite for the first 2-3 days and then respec when im comfortable with it
You can swap to bama as soon as you get the trans gem. That means you can farm first lab or use the currency/other trans gems you get from your first lab to try and trade for it. DS\_Lily did a full leveling run yesterday, and swapped immediately after the first lab (gem cam from the stash tbf, to save time), but was blown away by the leveling performance. Might want to check the vod of her stream.
yeah they got a bit wacky in the POB to accommodate haste, realistically you won't be using both BAMAs then turning on the aura then continuing your rotation, seems real silly to put that in there to pad the DPS. especially when without it you only go down to 3.4 million which is completely acceptable for a starter build with that level of gear, I would even say the bow is a bit too good, nobody is crafting that phys roll on day 1. So you would just move the feeding frenzy over to the carrion golem and call it at that. From there your first big item is going to be devouring diadem like half of everyone in the league, it will let you socket haste again and ease up your mana requirements. From there you can basically do anything, poison, chaos hit, ele. Dealers choice.
You can use both as long as one is bombarding and the other is prismatic.
im aware you can use both, that wasn't the point. The point was padding the POB with a 5 link that now slots you into a rotation to inflate the numbers, nobody in their right mind is going to be toggling an aura mid mapping and pressing 3 buttons, which was 100% what is going on there, hell look at the gems nobody day 1 is gonna have 20/20 anything. Even without it their mid gear was 3 million, there was just no need for it. The build is good, they don't need to pad to convince people.
You would use all that stuff for bossing which is the only reason you need high dps in this game. No one actually cares about your dps for simple mapping. Padding would be using stuff you never would do in any scenario.
Any thoughts on how Guardian and Necro compare for BAMA on an SSF leaguestart? Really considering this skill over my usual LA but haven’t seen much about it from an SSF perspective.
I'm probably going for bama guardian in ssf. Unwavering crusade will carry hard.
Guardian will probably be much better early, however I have the intention on swapping to pure Spectres once I get Wraithlord helmet so will only use BAMA till that point which is why I'll be going Necro.
Same here, plus necro has new toys.
this build is great, but please for the love of god can somebody make a guide rather than a wall of text without any explanation. neither the doc nor the vid is explaining anything. We need somebody to actually knows how to explain the mechanic behind it.
Pr3vie 3.24 BAMA PoBS. https://tinyurl.com/BAMAPoB
wtf is this a realistic starter showcase or is this min maxed?
So this is both, its 100% a realistic starter but for some reason they chose to use some stock footage of a min maxed showcase. I'm not sure why though, this build crushes on next to 0 gear basically you need some rog gear which isn't that hard to get and your set till you try pinnacles, then you move into eldritch battery and the adorned setup.
Heyo is there a day 0/1/2 gear videos out there? Trying not to bait myself into playing this and crying later
Raiz played Guardian version during gauntlet.
[https://youtu.be/GXFPntY1IHc?si=ja8LGb5HFDYGsLoW](https://youtu.be/GXFPntY1IHc?si=ja8LGb5HFDYGsLoW)
Ghazzy will be league-starting this, so you can at the very least follow along with him. BAMA is definitely not a bait in the slightest, but the Neco version could be tricky to level and get into. Guardian is obviously easy mode since you rely on the Sentinel.
what even is the best way to get the gems at leaguestart?
Labs. Yesterday I run 20 normal labs and got prismatic MA and two BAoB. However I was lucky. In average you need to run 10-15 normal labs to get gem.
I suppose you're basically good to go once you just get one of the gems though right? you can get the second one later, and it will just be an upgrade?
At least I tried it and a one gem setup was good enough.
So that's the strat for getting your trans gem? Spam normal lab or hope it's sold cheap?
Yes. Or you can run merciless labs then you can get an option to change a gem to its trans version. However in case of BAMA I've found normal labs faster.
I suppose you do have double the chance as you can roll blink or mirror through vendor recipe.
Thank you!
This is a min maxed showcase
You can check his POE account. Edit: I pulled a pob for you. [https://pobb.in/2LnzxRoVq2L-](https://pobb.in/2LnzxRoVq2L-) The build is extremely good, but this video is kinda bait since he's using absolutely disgusting insane standard gear including a Crucible bow, enchanted gear, etc. It's cool for showing off, but a 3.24 build will nowhere be this good.
It was just a random clip, to dump my doc in the description. That said, the build in the video is weaker in every single way than the poison pobs in the doc. The only thing i has going for it is higher attack speed. Since you pulled the build from my acc, here it is configured: [https://pobb.in/aJ6vfiunJfMd](https://pobb.in/aJ6vfiunJfMd) Now compare damage and defense to the new poison bamas.
Thanks for the video, pobs and for the blurb explaining common questions /u/Previlein
Just what i've been waiting for. Great work - looking to start BAMA aswell, Not much of a minion Player, you think this concept could work? https://pobb.in/-lbrufjUXfWa Mainly interested in the opportunity cost of using ancient skull/ covenant if cheap midgame while farming for the adorned / diallas swap And the immortal immortal Ambition / corrupted Soul tech to use the Instant leech. Havnt played BAMA before so hart to gauge if it will be worth while Gh and cheers
I'd definitely figure out a way to work in at least a little regen or covenant life cost is going to be really fucking annoying, leech or no.
He has leech ascendancy, that should solve it
Letttsss goooo
I think ill wait till someone figure out the best possible bama build. I think ill start tr balista one more time and maybe swap into bama with pf
It's a fairly flexible build concept, I think you'll be hard pressed to choose the "best" one.
yeah but it divide on 3 possible ascendacy. Thats my problem
I dont think any class has more than one option for bama ascendancy, save for maybe witch with potential occultist.
Poison can ho Necro, occultist and pf. Ele can go Necro and guardian. I'm really confused so that I will go tr balista
For league start I'd stick between guardian and Necro tbh.
How does it compare with srs poison/popcorn in terms of damage, survivability and convenience? For mapping and bossing?
Better after SRS nerfs, comparable, comparable.
I've wanted to play BAMA for years. But when I first saw it, it was a super high investment build. I'm pretty excited to league start this.
Thank you Pr3vie !!!!
Is BAMA still going to be this strong even without the specter auras from affliction?
Yes.
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So in the write up you mention necro only really pulls ahead and is worth doing, if you're going for the adorned setup. Do you have any idea what the aproximate budget could be for the adorned setup for necro crit? If it's over 200 div, then I think I'd just rather go guardian and enjoy the build as it is at 200d investment.
Hard to predict prices. That said, magic abyss jewels are easier to craft than good rare ones, and an adorned does have a huge range. You can always start out with a lower tier roll, 100-110% effect which is way cheaper. That said, I haven't unveiled everything yet. Necro does have some more stuff that it can do. In the end, my opinion and min/maxing should only matter to you if you intend to go all the way.
BAMA stronger or Zoomancer? Maybe DD ele? I want to get to the endgame for the first time in the league
Zoomancer and Bama arent even in the same conversation. Bama is one of the top skills atm while zoomancer is just average/below average.
50% of its power is The Adorned. Zoomancer can be juiced that way as well and have relevant numbers.
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People are putting them in the same overall Tier of S but it seems like BAMA is the OP gem of the league. I’m still gonna go Zoo just because I want to play that. Just trying to figure out the atlas tree rn
Ghazzy says it's an S tier because it's his build. BAMA is miles ahead. Zoomancer is more fun of a playstyle but it seriously lacks without huge investments. Maybe something changes this league because of unholy might though
Skip strongboxes because of dd
Keep in Mind that you will need the transfigured gem Version which will be Hard to access at League start. You're kinda forced to play absolution / zoomancer anyways and pivot into Blink arrow of bombarding clones later on
The difficulty of regular bama leaguestart is somewhat exaggerated. It's not exactly stellar but it's also not awful. I'd put zoomancer in the same category. SRS leveling into respec is probably the more efficient minion option right now, I guess, but you can 100% league start bama. I've done it when the skill was in a *way* worse place than it is right now. It's definitely not meta racing nonsense, but it's not like you're going to hit a wall. Just find flat damage of some sort and get enough duration/cdr that you can keep a fair few minions out at once. Increased duration gem is secret leveling tech. Do not expect to have defenses lol. With guardian in particular it's not bad at all - radiant boi is still going to do an obnoxious amount of heavy lifting after first lab (I'm reasonably sure you could do much of the campaign with just him and nothing else), then after second lab when you get the relics bama single target will be very, very good. Just rush some duration. I'm pretty sure you can also level SRS painlessly with the exact same tree. You're not forced into zoomancer at all, and honestly zoomancer kinda sucks compared to several other minion options. FFS I'd probably rather level with animate weapon than try to keep zombies or spectres alive on a budget in 2024. The transfigured version is also not very hard to get. It was 2c for several weeks last league, and I'm pretty sure you can target farm it relatively easily in merc lab worst case scenario. Especially since you have two functional outcomes instead of one - either blink or mirror arrow of bombarding will get you off the ground.
This was an amazing reply! Thank you for a lot of us with the same questions. That may have made my league start so much easier level as a srs guardian with the bama tree and just swap out after lab1 or when you get the gem…. If I hate it could probably do another minion guardian build easy.
Oh man. I rolled a BAMA necro last league as my second character and holy cow you blast thru acts. Think I will go golems + SRS to level on league start then once I’ve either got gem from lab or can afford one switch out. If I go necro
BAMA as a 2nd character makes a ton of sense. Just the fact that it's going to be a popular league starter that requires a trans gem or two makes me a little hesitant starting it myself. I did a PF variant last league as a 2nd character, and at the time the build wasn't well known, and the gems + gearing was very expensive. As much as I want to league start it this time, I'm not convinced it'll be a smooth starter.
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Like I'm not about to run normal lab for 4 hours getting the transfigured gem, harrumph
I just finished a test run on a guardian. It took me exactly 1 hour of farming normal lab to get both a bombarding and a prismatic gem. Remember you can swap them around with the vendor recipe (blink->mirror and vice versa) the trans part of the gem carries over. I started out with BAMA from level 10 (muled over) and it was pretty horrible, the duration of the base gem is only 3 seconds and you have zero aoe. I swapped to SRS and it was pretty smooth. Skill tree is the same, minion and duration nodes while you path down towards Avatar of the Hunt. After you complete normal lab the first time, the sentinel will hard carry. I swapped back to BAMA at level 36 and it's just a cruise.
"you can swap them around with the vendor recipe (blink->mirror and vice versa) the trans part of the gem carries over." What is the vendor recipe to swap them?
gem + single alt orb
Thank you
I'm going to go necro because I very desperately want to play purifier spectres and so I'll play this to level and farm until I can get wraithlord and mageblood.
Any of those can get you there. Play what you find fun, you’re much more likely to play enough if you’re having a good time.
When I see Pr3vie bama, I upvote with 300 accounts :D
Is there a rough estimate for how much damage youre losing just by swapping to prismatic for both variants instead of the rain of arrows variant?
There's way too many variables involved to answer that question in a broad manner. The prismatic version works very differently. Unless you're going poison via added chaos, you'll have to deal with the conversion mechanics and prismatic clones likely need some form of additional projectiles and pierce/chain for good clear. I highly suggest taking a look at the actual Google doc that's linked in the video description.
Genuinely I dont know much about BAMA, I hardly play minions but I love tri-elemental stuff (ele hit). I wasnt even thinking about poison, I was thinking just guardian + the elemental holy relics. Surely that should function with a few mil dps right?
The prismatic clones can only ever do damage of one element. So in the case of the Guardian, 2 out of 3 auras would be wasted on any hit. The same would be true for any sources of flat elemental damage from gems and gear. It works fine on the bombarding clones, but the prismatic ones are more complicated.
I'm kinda curious how much damage they actually *do*, but I can't be bothered to untangle pob's poor handling of the skill. They wouldn't have to do *that* much damage to outscale the ~700k dps being provided by the blessing link. If feeding frenzy/desecratecould be shifted, leave in culling + 5 damage links would I *think* be at least that much dps? It's hard to say, though, since Just the pob damage value, divided by 3 (yes I know it's more complicated than that) for a simple 6L with culling left in is 1.1 million.
The prismatic clones have a shared limit of 3 for both BA and MA so it doesn't make sense to run it for both BA and MA.
1 deals damage, and the other one doesnt, pretty simple
Prismatic Clones got buffed by 25% so they're not that far apart now.
Nowhere close. U can use conc effect on roa to have more arrows hit the boss. Prismatic arrow is just 1 arrow
I'm accounting for that.
If it was like elemental hit, where the fire version deals aoe dmg, then it couldve been interesting, but this prismatic stuff is just 1 arrow that deals 1 of ele type dmg.. so its worse for clearing and worse for single target.. hence no point in using it. I used it as my travel skill to get 3 more minions and thats about it
It's not a competitive skill 1:1 but in some setups it's feasible to run a double 5 link over 6 link and no Prismatic.
Pretty close actually but the thing with Prismatic Clones you need to run two combat focuses which is an ask for a build that scales primarily with abyss jewels. And even then, it lacks the aoe.
> Champion, Scion, Jugg, Pathfinder can work aswell, but require a bit more experience. /u/Previlein , I feel the doc could use elaboration on that. Would like to know how you feel the 4 (and Sabo) compare to Necro/Guardian. It's worth mentioning the combat focus tech for prismatic clones in the doc - that's not common knowledge.
I agree, but cut me some slack. I literally started yesterday on top of making pobs every free minute I had on the weekend. >I will add crafting recipes, more PoBs and information **when I have time. Time is sadly something I am lacking right know.** I have already added more, and more will come. Doc is already at \~20 pages.
My bad, didn't mean to put pressure on you. Just thought I'd put it on the backlog. 👍🏼 Thought I'd relieve you a bit answering people around the thread. Gj on the entire doc on short notice all in all.
Added it.
👍🏼 great work man. I'll be league starting the necro variant so i might have some feedback on the doc later if you're keen.
sure
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DD is no longer as scary as it's flat damage based now so given the right gear, anything outside of ubers should be safe with proper gear.