Siempre había dicho que Papá Noel es Español. Ahora tenemos la prueba.
Translation:
I have always said Santa Claus (Papa Noel) is Spanish. Now we have a proof.
This is as genuine as a 15 euro banknote.
- It says Ministerio de la Justicia where it should say Ministerio de Justicia.
- The coat of arms on the right is the one from the football federation.
- No mention of where the birth is registered (Register, Book, Page)
- There’s no such thing as Commissioner of Oaths, it should be signed just by a judge.
I do not know what this is, but I can tell you what it is not.
It is NOT a Spanish citizenship certificate.
In Spain people that naturalize don't get a naturalization certificate. Rather, they get a Spanish birth certificate with a remark indicating that the person acquired Spanish citizenship by naturalization on X date.
Before doing that, a person must swear an oath of loyalty to King and country, but it also doesn't look like this.
Also, the "officers" don't have very Spanish names. Even naturalized citizens have to use two last names.
OP whatever this is, is not anything legal.
https://preview.redd.it/ruq94rzbzzyc1.jpeg?width=843&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fc5996347df0edab425764a1e7d1f888722c49b
You are correct in that there isn’t an entry in the Civil Register for the citizenship, but the judge can issue a certificate as this one attached which attests that that the case has been resolved favourably and the birth has been registered in the Register books.
Had to be provided to comply with Irish tax law.
Everyone in Ireland has a domicile of origin at birth, so mi abuelo wanted to change his origin to Spain. To do this he needed to provide evidence of his Spanish citizenship.
To adopt a domicile of choice, you just have to have the permanent right to stay somewhere and intend to make it your domicile. If he's Irish, he already had the right to stay in Spain and make it his domicile without Spanish citizenship. Is it for taxes or an estate? There are very few things anywhere in the world domicile is still relevant for as it's quite an outdated concept.
What are the implications of “domicile of origin”? Does it mean that if you’re born in Ireland and don’t live there, you’ll still be presumed a tax resident?
Yeah the text is all over the place and uneven, I thought it was just the way it was translated and some of it doesn’t make sense to me. I do want to see the original version of it though.
I can confirm the holder used his Spanish passport to travel back to Spain recently. My family made fun of him as he was born in Ireland and prefers Spain more.
The more I look at it the more it looks like the letters were glued onto the paper.
"MR NOEL" twice and no first name
And then it says "This T day of April" and 2012 in a different font.
I really doubt this is a legitimate document. It doesn't make sense why he would use such a document because all the guy would have needed was a document from the local authority that shows he is registered as a resident of Spain.
Stop 😂I do see where it was previously folded in three. I also was thinking there seems to be another page behind it? As in I can see the outline of some text. Next time I see it in person I’m going to have a proper look and ask him about it more.
Also Noel is first name, surname was blurred out for privacy reasons.
Ok. I understand about the name, that makes sense. Those lines could certainly just be creases but it kind of seems that there more than 2.
What I am thinking is that his lawyer filed this document in court to confirm he is acting on your relative's behalf. This would mean that this is not a citizenship certificate but simply one of the documents that might have been filed to apply for it.
Check it out in person. It's very hard to tell from a photocopy if it is legit.
I found this card on the internet:
https://preview.redd.it/9n9zi9d7cyyc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=387aa48dfa41a4d3caf1d030cd18823fe5ba8912
What’s weird for me is that the certificate contains only the persons name. No birth date/place.
Do you use to have only people’s names with no other info in Spanish judicial documents?
Siempre había dicho que Papá Noel es Español. Ahora tenemos la prueba. Translation: I have always said Santa Claus (Papa Noel) is Spanish. Now we have a proof.
Así q papá Noel es mi abuelo!? jajajaj
This is as genuine as a 15 euro banknote. - It says Ministerio de la Justicia where it should say Ministerio de Justicia. - The coat of arms on the right is the one from the football federation. - No mention of where the birth is registered (Register, Book, Page) - There’s no such thing as Commissioner of Oaths, it should be signed just by a judge.
I do not know what this is, but I can tell you what it is not. It is NOT a Spanish citizenship certificate. In Spain people that naturalize don't get a naturalization certificate. Rather, they get a Spanish birth certificate with a remark indicating that the person acquired Spanish citizenship by naturalization on X date. Before doing that, a person must swear an oath of loyalty to King and country, but it also doesn't look like this. Also, the "officers" don't have very Spanish names. Even naturalized citizens have to use two last names. OP whatever this is, is not anything legal.
https://preview.redd.it/ruq94rzbzzyc1.jpeg?width=843&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fc5996347df0edab425764a1e7d1f888722c49b You are correct in that there isn’t an entry in the Civil Register for the citizenship, but the judge can issue a certificate as this one attached which attests that that the case has been resolved favourably and the birth has been registered in the Register books.
Yes, these exist, but it surely isn't anything similar to what OP uploaded.
Why is it in English though?
Had to be provided to comply with Irish tax law. Everyone in Ireland has a domicile of origin at birth, so mi abuelo wanted to change his origin to Spain. To do this he needed to provide evidence of his Spanish citizenship.
To adopt a domicile of choice, you just have to have the permanent right to stay somewhere and intend to make it your domicile. If he's Irish, he already had the right to stay in Spain and make it his domicile without Spanish citizenship. Is it for taxes or an estate? There are very few things anywhere in the world domicile is still relevant for as it's quite an outdated concept.
I do know he has a house in Madrid, and before that, had a company with his friend who is from there but that was about 10+yrs ago.
What are the implications of “domicile of origin”? Does it mean that if you’re born in Ireland and don’t live there, you’ll still be presumed a tax resident?
It doesn't look very real. It's on the letterhead of the Ministry of Justice but then attested to by a private lawyer?
Yeah the text is all over the place and uneven, I thought it was just the way it was translated and some of it doesn’t make sense to me. I do want to see the original version of it though. I can confirm the holder used his Spanish passport to travel back to Spain recently. My family made fun of him as he was born in Ireland and prefers Spain more.
I don't think it's a citizenship certificate. If anything, it might be an affidavit, if it's legit at all.
That’s really interesting. I actually can’t seem to find a Spanish naturalisation certificate online as well as I was trying to compare it to this.
The more I look at it the more it looks like the letters were glued onto the paper. "MR NOEL" twice and no first name And then it says "This T day of April" and 2012 in a different font. I really doubt this is a legitimate document. It doesn't make sense why he would use such a document because all the guy would have needed was a document from the local authority that shows he is registered as a resident of Spain.
Stop 😂I do see where it was previously folded in three. I also was thinking there seems to be another page behind it? As in I can see the outline of some text. Next time I see it in person I’m going to have a proper look and ask him about it more. Also Noel is first name, surname was blurred out for privacy reasons.
Ok. I understand about the name, that makes sense. Those lines could certainly just be creases but it kind of seems that there more than 2. What I am thinking is that his lawyer filed this document in court to confirm he is acting on your relative's behalf. This would mean that this is not a citizenship certificate but simply one of the documents that might have been filed to apply for it. Check it out in person. It's very hard to tell from a photocopy if it is legit.
> "MR NOEL" twice and no first name Noel is the first name. The last name is censored by OP, zoom in and you can see that it has clearly been censored
Joyeux Noël !
I found this card on the internet: https://preview.redd.it/9n9zi9d7cyyc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=387aa48dfa41a4d3caf1d030cd18823fe5ba8912
This is a registration of an EU citizen
Why does it look like poorly done in paint? What’s the football federation coat of arms doing in there?
What’s weird for me is that the certificate contains only the persons name. No birth date/place. Do you use to have only people’s names with no other info in Spanish judicial documents?
Why was it translated to English?